Really interesting analysis from Apollo. I don't agree with all of it, but I think he makes the most important point: get the scouting, and build the damn roach warren.

Lorning

Belgica34432 Posts

June 09 2014 18:22 GMT

#589

On June 10 2014 03:21 Darkhorse wrote:

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Hey look I saved EU

Great!

Nerchio

Poland2633 Posts

June 09 2014 18:22 GMT

#590

How is this song called without remix?
edit : nvm i didn't think it was this song

Boucot

France15997 Posts

June 09 2014 18:22 GMT

#591

On June 10 2014 03:21 stuchiu wrote:
So WCS EU is now using the losers first format like WCS NA. What do you guys think? Major isn't a fan.

I think it's way better. The most important matches at the end, more dramaturgy

Dodgin

Canada39254 Posts

June 09 2014 18:22 GMT

#592

On June 10 2014 03:21 stuchiu wrote:
So WCS EU is now using the losers first format like WCS NA. What do you guys think? Major isn't a fan.

who decided this was something that needed changing after 4 years?

MavivaM

1535 Posts

June 09 2014 18:22 GMT

#593

On June 10 2014 03:21 vjcamarena wrote:

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THIRD GAME STARTING NOW!

FROST - Snute in dashing red on the top left, ForGG looking elegant on blue, on the bottom right.

Let's see what they have planned for the game that decides this match.

2:00 ForGG goes back to the "economical two rax", a 12-13 proxy rax in which he doesn't cut economy significantly.
Snute goes expo first into spawning pool. DeMuslim notes that Snute seems to rely on terran overcommiting to come out ahead of bunker rushes.

4:00 Snute is going for 3 Spines again as a defense, while there's two bunkers killing snute's natural. Once it's killed he just does the same as before: Salvage the bunkers and go home with marines and raxes! ForGG going into triple CC, snute retakes the natural.

7:00 DeMuslim saying, that Snute's defense is excessive, with 3 spines, which puts him behind economically now. ForGG gets a factory on top of a reactor, while the other one makes blue flame. Exact same build as the first game. Can Snute change the outcome? He gets a third as well.

9:20 ForGG moving out with only 4 hellions. Snute has a baneling nest and starts +1+1 very fast this time. more hellions go atttack. they are mostly repelled, but three get to the main and kill 9 workers.

11:15 Snute 87 ForGG 89
ForGG going for 3 Factory and Bio as well. Weird mix with mech upgrades but not bio upgrades.He does deny creep with hellions. Push by forGG at the third tho, with many hellions a tank and about 20 marines.

14:00 snute 119 to 123 Forgg
He exploits the crevasse at the third, and trades very well, but snute's 2-2 is coming out soon, while ForGG is on 1-0 for Mech and Bio's getting to 1-0 as well. Snute needs to leave that third and transfer to the fourth at the north.

18:00 Snute 123 to 168 ForGG
Many Mutas for Snute, but he can't engage into the 4 tanks and many marines of ForGG. Snute loses the third, but still has the fourth, and he deals loads of damage at ForGG's third with mutas. This pulls marines back so he kills the tanks as well.

19:30Snute 143 to 170 ForGG
Snute sitting at 2-2 with +1 for mutas, while forGG is close to +2 attack for mech and bio.
ForGG pushes again with Thors this time and get the third again. The fourth to the north is still up. Snute tries to stop hime but loses eveything except mutas. A big egangement at Snute's natural goes the way of ForGG and that's game!

Snute says: gg, well won!

Quote of the series:
"ForGG didn't really play Starcraft as much as he played Snute"

Postgame questions:
Did you particularly train for Zerg (considering there's Snute and Vortix in this group)? Yeah! He also decided to not stream in order to focus on training.
Why is it so hard to get to the later rounds for ForGG? It's hard for him to be consistent, and he thinks he's been unlucky.
What's his take on the Vortix-ForGG teamkill in the Winner's match? He only knows of it two days ago, so he doesn't feel like a teammate yet. He'll beat him!

Apollo on two raxes:
Snute's way to deal with two raxes is actually great.
He pulls about 4 drones to delay bunkers and goes for three spines.
At the end of the attack Snute is only 4 drones behind and ForGG's CC is just starting. (And he lost two drones)
Snute actually equalizes and surpasses ForGG's worker count quickly.

Apollo's point is the Raxes didn't kill him, it was the followup because he didn't expect/scout the hellbat attack and make roaches.

On game three Apollo expected Snute to crush it, which he should have. Snute sees the factory with the reactor, but not the second one with blue flame, which enables ForGG to go for a tank push and punish what Snute expected.

Thanks, much appreciated!

Schelim

Austria11528 Posts

June 09 2014 18:23 GMT

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Apollo went on forever there. keep it concise bro, this isn't the Apollo9 daily.

i don't really like the losers match first. i don't really know why. probably cause we've gotten so used to the winners match happening first.

ppp

174 Posts

June 09 2014 18:23 GMT

#595

On June 10 2014 03:21 stuchiu wrote:
So WCS EU is now using the losers first format like WCS NA. What do you guys think? Major isn't a fan.

Noone has any advantages from it I feel. Not a big deal.

Skynx

Turkey7150 Posts

June 09 2014 18:23 GMT

#596

On June 10 2014 03:22 Nerchio wrote:
How is this song called without remix?
edit : nvm i didn't think it was this song

It's Me & You by Nero

sharkie

Austria18385 Posts

June 09 2014 18:23 GMT

#597

Yeah, the only reason we dont like losers first is because we are used winners first XD
let give it a try

imre

France9263 Posts

June 09 2014 18:24 GMT

#598

On June 10 2014 03:21 Kabras wrote:

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bio mech could very well mean tank and marine, that's just dumb word play. and what the hell do upgrades have to do with anything? also hellion harass (which is what he did) was very standard before the tank marine push. im starting to think you haven't watched the game.

god you never played wol or what? Good old marine/tank play had a relatively fast 2/2 in order to push before brood lords and secure your 4th (or all in before blords, bomber style). Even when you opened bfh you'd ditch them in an attack and stay on pure marine/tank for a while. You're just confusing the standard hellion play to contain the creep with a bfh attack rofl.

Here he went for a mech! opening and added more rax, just like reality/inno/bunny/major did recently...

ZigguratOfUr

Iraq16955 Posts

June 09 2014 18:24 GMT

#599

On June 10 2014 03:21 stuchiu wrote:
So WCS EU is now using the losers first format like WCS NA. What do you guys think? Major isn't a fan.

I don't like it much. The person losing the winner's match should get the extra time between the games, not the winner of the loser's match. However, I don't thinks its that big of a deal either.

DuduSC

Afghanistan193 Posts

June 09 2014 18:24 GMT

#600

On June 10 2014 03:22 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Really interesting analysis from Apollo. I don't agree with all of it, but I think he makes the most important point: get the scouting, and build the damn roach warren.

I think Apollo is right. I don't agree with Demuslim when he says that Snute's defense does not work when terran doesn't pull scvs.

I think Snute could have won both games if he scouted correctly. I really see vortix beating forGG and then Snute getting his revenge