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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On May 21 2014 08:06 AWalker9 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:05 Shellshock wrote:On May 21 2014 08:04 AWalker9 wrote:On May 21 2014 08:03 Bagration wrote:On May 21 2014 07:59 stuchiu wrote:On May 21 2014 07:57 Bagration wrote:On May 21 2014 07:53 Shellshock wrote:
Honest question, what is that state of the EG sc2 fan base? Do they have any fans that are not just fans because of Jaedong at this point? I never really see anyone talk about them anymore It seems like the brand is shifting from EG to the individual players even further. EG has always emphasized the brand value of its star players (Idra, Huk, Stephano, etc.), but now there are even fewer EG fans, but the fanbase of popular EG players like Jaedong, Demu, etc. persist. It's become less of a team, and more of a collection of popular players. It has always been a collection of popular players rather than a team. I think they are more team like now than they were when they were buying out big star players. I would argue the opposite. EG used to emphasize team leagues, even as late as 2013 when they made huge investments in PL. Now they don't seem to give a shit about anything other than sending Jaedong to foreign tournaments, and are actively shedding players for a leaner roster. EG is basically the antithesis of TL nah they are similar Jaedong & TaeJa HerO & JYP Demuslim & TLO TL has the Snute advantage I meant in the way that EG is basically just a loose coalition of players whereas TL is more like a family 
Thanks for your thoughts Liquid`Ken
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On May 21 2014 08:08 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:06 AWalker9 wrote:On May 21 2014 08:05 Shellshock wrote:On May 21 2014 08:04 AWalker9 wrote:On May 21 2014 08:03 Bagration wrote:On May 21 2014 07:59 stuchiu wrote:On May 21 2014 07:57 Bagration wrote:On May 21 2014 07:53 Shellshock wrote:
Honest question, what is that state of the EG sc2 fan base? Do they have any fans that are not just fans because of Jaedong at this point? I never really see anyone talk about them anymore It seems like the brand is shifting from EG to the individual players even further. EG has always emphasized the brand value of its star players (Idra, Huk, Stephano, etc.), but now there are even fewer EG fans, but the fanbase of popular EG players like Jaedong, Demu, etc. persist. It's become less of a team, and more of a collection of popular players. It has always been a collection of popular players rather than a team. I think they are more team like now than they were when they were buying out big star players. I would argue the opposite. EG used to emphasize team leagues, even as late as 2013 when they made huge investments in PL. Now they don't seem to give a shit about anything other than sending Jaedong to foreign tournaments, and are actively shedding players for a leaner roster. EG is basically the antithesis of TL nah they are similar Jaedong & TaeJa HerO & JYP Demuslim & TLO TL has the Snute advantage I meant in the way that EG is basically just a loose coalition of players whereas TL is more like a family oh well that's true. I guess you could say non Korean EG was like a gym family
Is Idra the guy that's on steroids and dislikes everyone as a result?
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United States97277 Posts
On May 21 2014 08:08 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:05 Shellshock wrote:On May 21 2014 08:04 AWalker9 wrote:On May 21 2014 08:03 Bagration wrote:On May 21 2014 07:59 stuchiu wrote:On May 21 2014 07:57 Bagration wrote:On May 21 2014 07:53 Shellshock wrote:
Honest question, what is that state of the EG sc2 fan base? Do they have any fans that are not just fans because of Jaedong at this point? I never really see anyone talk about them anymore It seems like the brand is shifting from EG to the individual players even further. EG has always emphasized the brand value of its star players (Idra, Huk, Stephano, etc.), but now there are even fewer EG fans, but the fanbase of popular EG players like Jaedong, Demu, etc. persist. It's become less of a team, and more of a collection of popular players. It has always been a collection of popular players rather than a team. I think they are more team like now than they were when they were buying out big star players. I would argue the opposite. EG used to emphasize team leagues, even as late as 2013 when they made huge investments in PL. Now they don't seem to give a shit about anything other than sending Jaedong to foreign tournaments, and are actively shedding players for a leaner roster. EG is basically the antithesis of TL nah they are similar Jaedong & TaeJa HerO & JYP Demuslim & TLO TL has the Snute advantage I like JYP, but he has almost never been as good as Hero. Puma + JYP + Revival would be a better analogy.
sure. HerO definitely has that big edge by winning tournaments. PuMa was god
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On May 21 2014 07:57 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:53 Shellshock wrote:
Honest question, what is that state of the EG sc2 fan base? Do they have any fans that are not just fans because of Jaedong at this point? I never really see anyone talk about them anymore It seems like the brand is shifting from EG to the individual players even further. EG has always emphasized the brand value of its star players (Idra, Huk, Stephano, etc.), but now there are even fewer EG fans, but the fanbase of popular EG players like Jaedong, Demu, etc. persist. It's become less of a team, and more of a collection of popular players.
To be fair they do say that they are a "new media agency which specializes in contracting pro gamers" and have so for quite some time.
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On May 21 2014 08:07 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:03 Bagration wrote:On May 21 2014 07:59 stuchiu wrote:On May 21 2014 07:57 Bagration wrote:On May 21 2014 07:53 Shellshock wrote:
Honest question, what is that state of the EG sc2 fan base? Do they have any fans that are not just fans because of Jaedong at this point? I never really see anyone talk about them anymore It seems like the brand is shifting from EG to the individual players even further. EG has always emphasized the brand value of its star players (Idra, Huk, Stephano, etc.), but now there are even fewer EG fans, but the fanbase of popular EG players like Jaedong, Demu, etc. persist. It's become less of a team, and more of a collection of popular players. It has always been a collection of popular players rather than a team. I think they are more team like now than they were when they were buying out big star players. I would argue the opposite. EG used to emphasize team leagues, even as late as 2013 when they made huge investments in PL. Now they don't seem to give a shit about anything other than sending Jaedong to foreign tournaments, and are actively shedding players for a leaner roster. Like right now, I'd say that Jaedong's individual brand is larger than EG's (which isn't surprising given that Jaedong is a BW legend). But even guys like Incontrol have created larger personal brands that take precedent over the EG umbrella brand IMO, which wasn't the case before. Sure you had stars like Idra, but it was always EGIdra, EGPuma, etc. Oh I meant on a personal level. Before they were mercenaries that didn't ever get along. Idra brought on Demuslim, but they ended up hating each other. They got Thorzain and Naniwa, who both hate each other. They got Stephano who went on to do Stephano things. Now you have Jaedong calling Xeno after Xeno goes into mass depression on how to be a winner. You have Suppy and Xeno working together with Major to improve their game.
Yeah, that is really nice to see. I feel like EG has picked up less edgy players recently. JD, Xeno, Suppy are all players who you would assume to be good mannered, etc. as opposed to Idra, Naniwa, Huk, etc.
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United States97277 Posts
On May 21 2014 08:09 AWalker9 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:08 Shellshock wrote:On May 21 2014 08:06 AWalker9 wrote:On May 21 2014 08:05 Shellshock wrote:On May 21 2014 08:04 AWalker9 wrote:On May 21 2014 08:03 Bagration wrote:On May 21 2014 07:59 stuchiu wrote:On May 21 2014 07:57 Bagration wrote:On May 21 2014 07:53 Shellshock wrote:
Honest question, what is that state of the EG sc2 fan base? Do they have any fans that are not just fans because of Jaedong at this point? I never really see anyone talk about them anymore It seems like the brand is shifting from EG to the individual players even further. EG has always emphasized the brand value of its star players (Idra, Huk, Stephano, etc.), but now there are even fewer EG fans, but the fanbase of popular EG players like Jaedong, Demu, etc. persist. It's become less of a team, and more of a collection of popular players. It has always been a collection of popular players rather than a team. I think they are more team like now than they were when they were buying out big star players. I would argue the opposite. EG used to emphasize team leagues, even as late as 2013 when they made huge investments in PL. Now they don't seem to give a shit about anything other than sending Jaedong to foreign tournaments, and are actively shedding players for a leaner roster. EG is basically the antithesis of TL nah they are similar Jaedong & TaeJa HerO & JYP Demuslim & TLO TL has the Snute advantage I meant in the way that EG is basically just a loose coalition of players whereas TL is more like a family oh well that's true. I guess you could say non Korean EG was like a gym family Is Idra the guy that's on steroids and dislikes everyone as a result?
Roids might make him calmer
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On May 21 2014 08:09 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:06 AWalker9 wrote:On May 21 2014 08:05 Shellshock wrote:On May 21 2014 08:04 AWalker9 wrote:On May 21 2014 08:03 Bagration wrote:On May 21 2014 07:59 stuchiu wrote:On May 21 2014 07:57 Bagration wrote:On May 21 2014 07:53 Shellshock wrote:
Honest question, what is that state of the EG sc2 fan base? Do they have any fans that are not just fans because of Jaedong at this point? I never really see anyone talk about them anymore It seems like the brand is shifting from EG to the individual players even further. EG has always emphasized the brand value of its star players (Idra, Huk, Stephano, etc.), but now there are even fewer EG fans, but the fanbase of popular EG players like Jaedong, Demu, etc. persist. It's become less of a team, and more of a collection of popular players. It has always been a collection of popular players rather than a team. I think they are more team like now than they were when they were buying out big star players. I would argue the opposite. EG used to emphasize team leagues, even as late as 2013 when they made huge investments in PL. Now they don't seem to give a shit about anything other than sending Jaedong to foreign tournaments, and are actively shedding players for a leaner roster. EG is basically the antithesis of TL nah they are similar Jaedong & TaeJa HerO & JYP Demuslim & TLO TL has the Snute advantage I meant in the way that EG is basically just a loose coalition of players whereas TL is more like a family Thanks for your thoughts Liquid`Ken
ohana means family
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Something I will never understand is how PvP is DLO's favorite match. My lack of sleep is not doing well with these games.
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On May 21 2014 08:08 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:05 Shellshock wrote:On May 21 2014 08:04 AWalker9 wrote:On May 21 2014 08:03 Bagration wrote:On May 21 2014 07:59 stuchiu wrote:On May 21 2014 07:57 Bagration wrote:On May 21 2014 07:53 Shellshock wrote:
Honest question, what is that state of the EG sc2 fan base? Do they have any fans that are not just fans because of Jaedong at this point? I never really see anyone talk about them anymore It seems like the brand is shifting from EG to the individual players even further. EG has always emphasized the brand value of its star players (Idra, Huk, Stephano, etc.), but now there are even fewer EG fans, but the fanbase of popular EG players like Jaedong, Demu, etc. persist. It's become less of a team, and more of a collection of popular players. It has always been a collection of popular players rather than a team. I think they are more team like now than they were when they were buying out big star players. I would argue the opposite. EG used to emphasize team leagues, even as late as 2013 when they made huge investments in PL. Now they don't seem to give a shit about anything other than sending Jaedong to foreign tournaments, and are actively shedding players for a leaner roster. EG is basically the antithesis of TL nah they are similar Jaedong & TaeJa HerO & JYP Demuslim & TLO TL has the Snute advantage I like JYP, but he has almost never been as good as Hero. Puma + JYP + Revival would be a better analogy.
HerO is waaaaaay better than JYP ever was. Maybe, and it is a pretty big maybe, HerO is Puma in that he is a bit spotty out of Winter but even that is a stretch.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On May 21 2014 08:09 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:08 stuchiu wrote:On May 21 2014 08:05 Shellshock wrote:On May 21 2014 08:04 AWalker9 wrote:On May 21 2014 08:03 Bagration wrote:On May 21 2014 07:59 stuchiu wrote:On May 21 2014 07:57 Bagration wrote:On May 21 2014 07:53 Shellshock wrote:
Honest question, what is that state of the EG sc2 fan base? Do they have any fans that are not just fans because of Jaedong at this point? I never really see anyone talk about them anymore It seems like the brand is shifting from EG to the individual players even further. EG has always emphasized the brand value of its star players (Idra, Huk, Stephano, etc.), but now there are even fewer EG fans, but the fanbase of popular EG players like Jaedong, Demu, etc. persist. It's become less of a team, and more of a collection of popular players. It has always been a collection of popular players rather than a team. I think they are more team like now than they were when they were buying out big star players. I would argue the opposite. EG used to emphasize team leagues, even as late as 2013 when they made huge investments in PL. Now they don't seem to give a shit about anything other than sending Jaedong to foreign tournaments, and are actively shedding players for a leaner roster. EG is basically the antithesis of TL nah they are similar Jaedong & TaeJa HerO & JYP Demuslim & TLO TL has the Snute advantage I like JYP, but he has almost never been as good as Hero. Puma + JYP + Revival would be a better analogy. sure. HerO definitely has that big edge by winning tournaments. PuMa was god
I liked Puma. Too bad he never got out of his slump and quit.
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On May 21 2014 08:11 ThomasjServo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:08 stuchiu wrote:On May 21 2014 08:05 Shellshock wrote:On May 21 2014 08:04 AWalker9 wrote:On May 21 2014 08:03 Bagration wrote:On May 21 2014 07:59 stuchiu wrote:On May 21 2014 07:57 Bagration wrote:On May 21 2014 07:53 Shellshock wrote:
Honest question, what is that state of the EG sc2 fan base? Do they have any fans that are not just fans because of Jaedong at this point? I never really see anyone talk about them anymore It seems like the brand is shifting from EG to the individual players even further. EG has always emphasized the brand value of its star players (Idra, Huk, Stephano, etc.), but now there are even fewer EG fans, but the fanbase of popular EG players like Jaedong, Demu, etc. persist. It's become less of a team, and more of a collection of popular players. It has always been a collection of popular players rather than a team. I think they are more team like now than they were when they were buying out big star players. I would argue the opposite. EG used to emphasize team leagues, even as late as 2013 when they made huge investments in PL. Now they don't seem to give a shit about anything other than sending Jaedong to foreign tournaments, and are actively shedding players for a leaner roster. EG is basically the antithesis of TL nah they are similar Jaedong & TaeJa HerO & JYP Demuslim & TLO TL has the Snute advantage I like JYP, but he has almost never been as good as Hero. Puma + JYP + Revival would be a better analogy. HerO is waaaaaay better than JYP ever was. Maybe, and it is a pretty big maybe, HerO is Puma in that he is a bit spotty out of Winter but even that is a stretch.
Hero and Puma is a pretty good comparison. They used to have a bit of a rivalry back in 2011.
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On May 21 2014 08:10 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Something I will never understand is how PvP is DLO's favorite match. My lack of sleep is not doing well with these games.
he is just trying hard to be a hipster. there are not many thing you can like about pvp.
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United States97277 Posts
On May 21 2014 08:10 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Something I will never understand is how PvP is DLO's favorite match. My lack of sleep is not doing well with these games.
Because he played protoss in 2011 and is still bitter about Terran
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On May 21 2014 08:11 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:11 ThomasjServo wrote:On May 21 2014 08:08 stuchiu wrote:On May 21 2014 08:05 Shellshock wrote:On May 21 2014 08:04 AWalker9 wrote:On May 21 2014 08:03 Bagration wrote:On May 21 2014 07:59 stuchiu wrote:On May 21 2014 07:57 Bagration wrote:On May 21 2014 07:53 Shellshock wrote:
Honest question, what is that state of the EG sc2 fan base? Do they have any fans that are not just fans because of Jaedong at this point? I never really see anyone talk about them anymore It seems like the brand is shifting from EG to the individual players even further. EG has always emphasized the brand value of its star players (Idra, Huk, Stephano, etc.), but now there are even fewer EG fans, but the fanbase of popular EG players like Jaedong, Demu, etc. persist. It's become less of a team, and more of a collection of popular players. It has always been a collection of popular players rather than a team. I think they are more team like now than they were when they were buying out big star players. I would argue the opposite. EG used to emphasize team leagues, even as late as 2013 when they made huge investments in PL. Now they don't seem to give a shit about anything other than sending Jaedong to foreign tournaments, and are actively shedding players for a leaner roster. EG is basically the antithesis of TL nah they are similar Jaedong & TaeJa HerO & JYP Demuslim & TLO TL has the Snute advantage I like JYP, but he has almost never been as good as Hero. Puma + JYP + Revival would be a better analogy. HerO is waaaaaay better than JYP ever was. Maybe, and it is a pretty big maybe, HerO is Puma in that he is a bit spotty out of Winter but even that is a stretch. Hero and Puma is a pretty good comparison. They used to have a bit of a rivalry back in 2011.
Was the closest I could come with their former roster.
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On May 21 2014 08:12 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:10 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Something I will never understand is how PvP is DLO's favorite match. My lack of sleep is not doing well with these games. Because he played protoss in 2011 and is still bitter about Terran
If I were him I would relish in an exciting PvT while drinking terran tears.
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United States97277 Posts
it's ok though because we have Liquid Acer rivalry forming right? I saw some people trying to push that. Maybe mouz vs signing non Europeans. Mouz up 2-0 right now
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On May 21 2014 08:13 Shellshock wrote:
it's ok though because we have Liquid Acer rivalry forming right? I saw some people trying to push that. Maybe mouz vs signing non Europeans. Mouz up 2-0 right now
I actually want Mouz vs Dear rivalry. Let Dear get a personal sponsorship by CMStorm or something and just send him to any tournament where Mouz is playing to destroy them.
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On May 21 2014 08:13 Shellshock wrote:
it's ok though because we have Liquid Acer rivalry forming right? I saw some people trying to push that. Maybe mouz vs signing non Europeans. Mouz up 2-0 right now
I think that is apt, you have the corporate powerhouse vs. the organic, heart-filled team. XD. Rivalries are in a lull now as far as I can tell.
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On May 21 2014 08:14 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:13 Shellshock wrote:
it's ok though because we have Liquid Acer rivalry forming right? I saw some people trying to push that. Maybe mouz vs signing non Europeans. Mouz up 2-0 right now I actually want Mouz vs Dear rivalry. Let Dear get a personal sponsorship by CMStorm or something and just send him to any tournament where Mouz is playing to destroy them.
That sounds like it could make for a good movie or something. I'm exhausted.
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