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On May 21 2014 07:53 Shellshock wrote:
Honest question, what is that state of the EG sc2 fan base? Do they have any fans that are not just fans because of Jaedong at this point? I never really see anyone talk about them anymore
actually I know Darkplasmaball is an EG fan but are there any others?
Half the roster is inactive or pursuing other stuff like casting or school, which is well and good, but JYP and JD does not a team make.
Xeno is promising, but I think he was a cheap pick up, and an NA Terran, which made him appealing. Suppy is in school but still does alright, Thorzain is in school too, HuK is doing whatever HuK does, and Demu has been casting more than anything.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On May 21 2014 07:57 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:53 Shellshock wrote:
Honest question, what is that state of the EG sc2 fan base? Do they have any fans that are not just fans because of Jaedong at this point? I never really see anyone talk about them anymore It seems like the brand is shifting from EG to the individual players even further. EG has always emphasized the brand value of its star players (Idra, Huk, Stephano, etc.), but now there are even fewer EG fans, but the fanbase of popular EG players like Jaedong, Demu, etc. persist. It's become less of a team, and more of a collection of popular players.
It has always been a collection of popular players rather than a team. I think they are more team like now than they were when they were buying out big star players.
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If HerO loses to HuK he won't get out of this group
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
This would be much easier with a MSC alive.
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On May 21 2014 07:59 AWalker9 wrote:
If HerO loses to HuK he won't get out of this group
That is a bit bold, if HuK wins I don't see him beating Pigbaby down.
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On May 21 2014 08:01 ThomasjServo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:59 AWalker9 wrote:
If HerO loses to HuK he won't get out of this group That is a bit bold, if HuK wins I don't see him beating Pigbaby down.
Yeah but considering how HerO's been vs Z lately, I don't exactly see him beating Revival and I don't think he'd beat Pigbaby.
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On May 21 2014 07:59 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:57 Bagration wrote:On May 21 2014 07:53 Shellshock wrote:
Honest question, what is that state of the EG sc2 fan base? Do they have any fans that are not just fans because of Jaedong at this point? I never really see anyone talk about them anymore It seems like the brand is shifting from EG to the individual players even further. EG has always emphasized the brand value of its star players (Idra, Huk, Stephano, etc.), but now there are even fewer EG fans, but the fanbase of popular EG players like Jaedong, Demu, etc. persist. It's become less of a team, and more of a collection of popular players. It has always been a collection of popular players rather than a team. I think they are more team like now than they were when they were buying out big star players.
I would argue the opposite. EG used to emphasize team leagues, even as late as 2013 when they made huge investments in PL. Now they don't seem to give a shit about anything other than sending Jaedong to foreign tournaments, and are actively shedding players for a leaner roster.
Like right now, I'd say that Jaedong's individual brand is larger than EG's (which isn't surprising given that Jaedong is a BW legend). But even guys like Incontrol have created larger personal brands that take precedent over the EG umbrella brand IMO, which wasn't the case before. Sure you had stars like Idra, but it was always EGIdra, EGPuma, etc.
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On May 21 2014 08:02 AWalker9 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:01 ThomasjServo wrote:On May 21 2014 07:59 AWalker9 wrote:
If HerO loses to HuK he won't get out of this group That is a bit bold, if HuK wins I don't see him beating Pigbaby down. Yeah but considering how HerO's been vs Z lately, I don't exactly see him beating Revival and I don't think he'd beat Pigbaby.
All HerO has to do is play PvZ like it was 2013 and Revival will auto pilot into it.
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On May 21 2014 08:03 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:59 stuchiu wrote:On May 21 2014 07:57 Bagration wrote:On May 21 2014 07:53 Shellshock wrote:
Honest question, what is that state of the EG sc2 fan base? Do they have any fans that are not just fans because of Jaedong at this point? I never really see anyone talk about them anymore It seems like the brand is shifting from EG to the individual players even further. EG has always emphasized the brand value of its star players (Idra, Huk, Stephano, etc.), but now there are even fewer EG fans, but the fanbase of popular EG players like Jaedong, Demu, etc. persist. It's become less of a team, and more of a collection of popular players. It has always been a collection of popular players rather than a team. I think they are more team like now than they were when they were buying out big star players. I would argue the opposite. EG used to emphasize team leagues, even as late as 2013 when they made huge investments in PL. Now they don't seem to give a shit about anything other than sending Jaedong to foreign tournaments, and are actively shedding players for a leaner roster.
there was also this team league by eg, it was casted by incontrol i think, don't remember its name though
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On May 21 2014 08:03 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:59 stuchiu wrote:On May 21 2014 07:57 Bagration wrote:On May 21 2014 07:53 Shellshock wrote:
Honest question, what is that state of the EG sc2 fan base? Do they have any fans that are not just fans because of Jaedong at this point? I never really see anyone talk about them anymore It seems like the brand is shifting from EG to the individual players even further. EG has always emphasized the brand value of its star players (Idra, Huk, Stephano, etc.), but now there are even fewer EG fans, but the fanbase of popular EG players like Jaedong, Demu, etc. persist. It's become less of a team, and more of a collection of popular players. It has always been a collection of popular players rather than a team. I think they are more team like now than they were when they were buying out big star players. I would argue the opposite. EG used to emphasize team leagues, even as late as 2013 when they made huge investments in PL. Now they don't seem to give a shit about anything other than sending Jaedong to foreign tournaments, and are actively shedding players for a leaner roster.
EG is basically the antithesis of TL
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HerO is literally ahead in no aspects in this game.
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Poll: Recommend HuK vs HerO Game 2?★- Do not see this game no matter what (1) 20% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1) 20% ★★★- Good game (2) 40% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (1) 20% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% 5 total votes Your vote: Recommend HuK vs HerO Game 2? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
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On May 21 2014 08:03 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:59 stuchiu wrote:On May 21 2014 07:57 Bagration wrote:On May 21 2014 07:53 Shellshock wrote:
Honest question, what is that state of the EG sc2 fan base? Do they have any fans that are not just fans because of Jaedong at this point? I never really see anyone talk about them anymore It seems like the brand is shifting from EG to the individual players even further. EG has always emphasized the brand value of its star players (Idra, Huk, Stephano, etc.), but now there are even fewer EG fans, but the fanbase of popular EG players like Jaedong, Demu, etc. persist. It's become less of a team, and more of a collection of popular players. It has always been a collection of popular players rather than a team. I think they are more team like now than they were when they were buying out big star players. I would argue the opposite. EG used to emphasize team leagues, even as late as 2013 when they made huge investments in PL. Now they don't seem to give a shit about anything other than sending Jaedong to foreign tournaments, and are actively adding NA players for a cheaper roster.
FTFY
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United States97276 Posts
On May 21 2014 08:04 AWalker9 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:03 Bagration wrote:On May 21 2014 07:59 stuchiu wrote:On May 21 2014 07:57 Bagration wrote:On May 21 2014 07:53 Shellshock wrote:
Honest question, what is that state of the EG sc2 fan base? Do they have any fans that are not just fans because of Jaedong at this point? I never really see anyone talk about them anymore It seems like the brand is shifting from EG to the individual players even further. EG has always emphasized the brand value of its star players (Idra, Huk, Stephano, etc.), but now there are even fewer EG fans, but the fanbase of popular EG players like Jaedong, Demu, etc. persist. It's become less of a team, and more of a collection of popular players. It has always been a collection of popular players rather than a team. I think they are more team like now than they were when they were buying out big star players. I would argue the opposite. EG used to emphasize team leagues, even as late as 2013 when they made huge investments in PL. Now they don't seem to give a shit about anything other than sending Jaedong to foreign tournaments, and are actively shedding players for a leaner roster. EG is basically the antithesis of TL
nah they are similar
Jaedong & TaeJa
HerO & JYP
Demuslim & TLO
TL has the Snute advantage
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On May 21 2014 08:04 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:03 Bagration wrote:On May 21 2014 07:59 stuchiu wrote:On May 21 2014 07:57 Bagration wrote:On May 21 2014 07:53 Shellshock wrote:
Honest question, what is that state of the EG sc2 fan base? Do they have any fans that are not just fans because of Jaedong at this point? I never really see anyone talk about them anymore It seems like the brand is shifting from EG to the individual players even further. EG has always emphasized the brand value of its star players (Idra, Huk, Stephano, etc.), but now there are even fewer EG fans, but the fanbase of popular EG players like Jaedong, Demu, etc. persist. It's become less of a team, and more of a collection of popular players. It has always been a collection of popular players rather than a team. I think they are more team like now than they were when they were buying out big star players. I would argue the opposite. EG used to emphasize team leagues, even as late as 2013 when they made huge investments in PL. Now they don't seem to give a shit about anything other than sending Jaedong to foreign tournaments, and are actively shedding players for a leaner roster. there was also this team league by eg, it was casted by incontrol i think, don't remember its name though
SC2L, whose finals were between TL and Acer at Dreamhack Bucharest with like the sick rematch of Taeja and Innovation, which would be the Dreamhack finals the next night.
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On May 21 2014 08:05 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:04 AWalker9 wrote:On May 21 2014 08:03 Bagration wrote:On May 21 2014 07:59 stuchiu wrote:On May 21 2014 07:57 Bagration wrote:On May 21 2014 07:53 Shellshock wrote:
Honest question, what is that state of the EG sc2 fan base? Do they have any fans that are not just fans because of Jaedong at this point? I never really see anyone talk about them anymore It seems like the brand is shifting from EG to the individual players even further. EG has always emphasized the brand value of its star players (Idra, Huk, Stephano, etc.), but now there are even fewer EG fans, but the fanbase of popular EG players like Jaedong, Demu, etc. persist. It's become less of a team, and more of a collection of popular players. It has always been a collection of popular players rather than a team. I think they are more team like now than they were when they were buying out big star players. I would argue the opposite. EG used to emphasize team leagues, even as late as 2013 when they made huge investments in PL. Now they don't seem to give a shit about anything other than sending Jaedong to foreign tournaments, and are actively shedding players for a leaner roster. EG is basically the antithesis of TL nah they are similar Jaedong & TaeJa HerO & JYP Demuslim & TLO TL has the Snute advantage
I meant in the way that EG is basically just a loose coalition of players whereas TL is more like a family 
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On May 21 2014 08:03 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:59 stuchiu wrote:On May 21 2014 07:57 Bagration wrote:On May 21 2014 07:53 Shellshock wrote:
Honest question, what is that state of the EG sc2 fan base? Do they have any fans that are not just fans because of Jaedong at this point? I never really see anyone talk about them anymore It seems like the brand is shifting from EG to the individual players even further. EG has always emphasized the brand value of its star players (Idra, Huk, Stephano, etc.), but now there are even fewer EG fans, but the fanbase of popular EG players like Jaedong, Demu, etc. persist. It's become less of a team, and more of a collection of popular players. It has always been a collection of popular players rather than a team. I think they are more team like now than they were when they were buying out big star players. I would argue the opposite. EG used to emphasize team leagues, even as late as 2013 when they made huge investments in PL. Now they don't seem to give a shit about anything other than sending Jaedong to foreign tournaments, and are actively shedding players for a leaner roster. Like right now, I'd say that Jaedong's individual brand is larger than EG's (which isn't surprising given that Jaedong is a BW legend). But even guys like Incontrol have created larger personal brands that take precedent over the EG umbrella brand IMO, which wasn't the case before. Sure you had stars like Idra, but it was always EGIdra, EGPuma, etc.
Oh I meant on a personal level. Before they were mercenaries that didn't ever get along. Idra brought on Demuslim, but they ended up hating each other. They got Thorzain and Naniwa, who both hate each other. They got Stephano who went on to do Stephano things.
Now you have Jaedong calling Xeno after Xeno goes into mass depression on how to be a winner. You have Suppy and Xeno working together with Major to improve their game.
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On May 21 2014 08:04 AWalker9 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:03 Bagration wrote:On May 21 2014 07:59 stuchiu wrote:On May 21 2014 07:57 Bagration wrote:On May 21 2014 07:53 Shellshock wrote:
Honest question, what is that state of the EG sc2 fan base? Do they have any fans that are not just fans because of Jaedong at this point? I never really see anyone talk about them anymore It seems like the brand is shifting from EG to the individual players even further. EG has always emphasized the brand value of its star players (Idra, Huk, Stephano, etc.), but now there are even fewer EG fans, but the fanbase of popular EG players like Jaedong, Demu, etc. persist. It's become less of a team, and more of a collection of popular players. It has always been a collection of popular players rather than a team. I think they are more team like now than they were when they were buying out big star players. I would argue the opposite. EG used to emphasize team leagues, even as late as 2013 when they made huge investments in PL. Now they don't seem to give a shit about anything other than sending Jaedong to foreign tournaments, and are actively shedding players for a leaner roster. EG is basically the antithesis of TL
Well, for much of SC2, I'd say that both teams were very similar fundamentally, but just opted for different brand images. Both were very popular teams with solid financials and fanbases, and while both teams started with foreign rosters, both teams were among the first to be able to send players to Korea, as well as start the trend of picking up Korean players. Frankly, marketing branding aside, they are very similar.
Now, it seems like EG is divesting from SC2, while Liquid is maintaining its commitment to SC2 (though it too is moving into different eSports).
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United States97276 Posts
On May 21 2014 08:06 AWalker9 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:05 Shellshock wrote:On May 21 2014 08:04 AWalker9 wrote:On May 21 2014 08:03 Bagration wrote:On May 21 2014 07:59 stuchiu wrote:On May 21 2014 07:57 Bagration wrote:On May 21 2014 07:53 Shellshock wrote:
Honest question, what is that state of the EG sc2 fan base? Do they have any fans that are not just fans because of Jaedong at this point? I never really see anyone talk about them anymore It seems like the brand is shifting from EG to the individual players even further. EG has always emphasized the brand value of its star players (Idra, Huk, Stephano, etc.), but now there are even fewer EG fans, but the fanbase of popular EG players like Jaedong, Demu, etc. persist. It's become less of a team, and more of a collection of popular players. It has always been a collection of popular players rather than a team. I think they are more team like now than they were when they were buying out big star players. I would argue the opposite. EG used to emphasize team leagues, even as late as 2013 when they made huge investments in PL. Now they don't seem to give a shit about anything other than sending Jaedong to foreign tournaments, and are actively shedding players for a leaner roster. EG is basically the antithesis of TL nah they are similar Jaedong & TaeJa HerO & JYP Demuslim & TLO TL has the Snute advantage I meant in the way that EG is basically just a loose coalition of players whereas TL is more like a family
oh well that's true. I guess you could say non Korean EG was like a gym family
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On May 21 2014 08:05 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 08:04 AWalker9 wrote:On May 21 2014 08:03 Bagration wrote:On May 21 2014 07:59 stuchiu wrote:On May 21 2014 07:57 Bagration wrote:On May 21 2014 07:53 Shellshock wrote:
Honest question, what is that state of the EG sc2 fan base? Do they have any fans that are not just fans because of Jaedong at this point? I never really see anyone talk about them anymore It seems like the brand is shifting from EG to the individual players even further. EG has always emphasized the brand value of its star players (Idra, Huk, Stephano, etc.), but now there are even fewer EG fans, but the fanbase of popular EG players like Jaedong, Demu, etc. persist. It's become less of a team, and more of a collection of popular players. It has always been a collection of popular players rather than a team. I think they are more team like now than they were when they were buying out big star players. I would argue the opposite. EG used to emphasize team leagues, even as late as 2013 when they made huge investments in PL. Now they don't seem to give a shit about anything other than sending Jaedong to foreign tournaments, and are actively shedding players for a leaner roster. EG is basically the antithesis of TL nah they are similar Jaedong & TaeJa HerO & JYP Demuslim & TLO TL has the Snute advantage
I like JYP, but he has almost never been as good as Hero. Puma + JYP + Revival would be a better analogy.
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