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* = ace. Last player on team can be chosen from the entire lineup, even if the player was eliminated before.
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Poll: Head: Who do you think will win?Millenium (15) 68% Evil Geniuses (7) 32% 22 total votes Your vote: Head: Who do you think will win? (Vote): Evil Geniuses
(Vote): Millenium
Poll: Heart: Who do you want to win?Millenium (15) 68% Evil Geniuses (7) 32% 22 total votes Your vote: Heart: Who do you want to win? (Vote): Evil Geniuses
(Vote): Millenium
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Oh yeaaaah, dis gon b gud
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Are Jaedong and JYP available to play? EG doesn't have much depth without them
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On May 15 2014 04:32 Bagration wrote:
Are Jaedong and JYP available to play? EG doesn't have much depth without them
Yeah I mean some of their foreigners are solid but I have trouble seeing them making it past ForGG without using one of those two. If JYP and Jaedong don't show it could be kind of a disappointing match. I feel like EG could be doing much better than their record shows. Being YoeFW is a pretty solid win.
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I would really like to see millenniums players besides Forgg take some wins here I feel like in all their games hes the one getting 90% of the wins
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On May 15 2014 05:43 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2014 04:32 Bagration wrote:
Are Jaedong and JYP available to play? EG doesn't have much depth without them Yeah I mean some of their foreigners are solid but I have trouble seeing them making it past ForGG without using one of those two. If JYP and Jaedong don't show it could be kind of a disappointing match. I feel like EG could be doing much better than their record shows. Being YoeFW is a pretty solid win.
Even BabyKnight and Dayshi are, in my opinion, favorites over any of EG's non-Koreans, and arguably even JYP as well. EG has a tough fight in front of them, and as of right now, they are already in the bottom 4 and in danger of relegation.
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Dayshi all kill with only hellions and scvs
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iNcontroL
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JD and JYP are both available I think.
This league is tough on us. We are either KR or NA for the most part so half the time we play on the EU server (or vice versa for the EU opponents) and we usually start around 6am my time.
We qualified for this so it is on us but international team leagues in SC2 with no neutral server/lan is really really hard unless you are mostly EU playing in a EU based league (or NA on NA or KR on KR etc).
that said we will give it our best and try and make it hard on these teams 
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@iNcontroL, yeah I get that it's probably pretty tough especially as mainly west coast NA for the people outside of Korea. Hard enough for me to get up in time for it on the East Coast sometimes and I doubt I could play 100% at 6 AM not to mention cross server. I'm glad to see EG participating though. I feel like Team Leagues were just really undervalued in SC2 and the pro scene is missing a lot of that rivalry factor we still kind of saw early on with things like EG vs TL outside of proleague and I'd like to see some of that come back.
Obviously it's better to see a good mix of players from EG rather than you guys just sending Jaedong 1st every time and see if he all kills and the other players on EG are definitely performing much better lately imo. I just feel like EG's 1-3 record doesn't really reflect how good of a team they can be when everyone is available to play.
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On May 15 2014 07:55 Shellshock wrote:
@iNcontroL, yeah I get that it's probably pretty tough especially as mainly west coast NA for the people outside of Korea. Hard enough for me to get up in time for it on the East Coast sometimes and I doubt I could play 100% at 6 AM not to mention cross server. I'm glad to see EG participating though. I feel like Team Leagues were just really undervalued in SC2 and the pro scene is missing a lot of that rivalry factor we still kind of saw early on with things like EG vs TL outside of proleague and I'd like to see some of that come back.
Obviously it's better to see a good mix of players from EG rather than you guys just sending Jaedong 1st every time and see if he all kills and the other players on EG are definitely performing much better lately imo. I just feel like EG's 1-3 record doesn't really reflect how good of a team they can be when everyone is available to play.
agreed. We are by far more of a tourney team.. each player has done pretty damn well in WCS this season etc. But cross server / bad times / we travel a lot = tough to do decent in a team league.
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Yeah I see EG as the team of unfortunate circumstances, and that's why they're doing so poorly. It's really too bad.
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What about Stephano? Any chance he might play?
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On May 15 2014 08:31 vult wrote:
Yeah I see EG as the team of unfortunate circumstances, and that's why they're doing so poorly. It's really too bad.
Unfortunate is a good word.
1. Getting reverse all killed by your former rival, who somehow managed to claim victory from the jaws of defeat
2. Going up against Acer, only to realize that they decided to field Innovation of all people first
3. Going up against mYi, and not having Jaedong available
For the sake of the competitiveness of ATC, as well as the hype, I do hope that EG can take a few matches, and make the match against Mill close.
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iNcontroL
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On May 15 2014 10:05 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2014 08:31 vult wrote:
Yeah I see EG as the team of unfortunate circumstances, and that's why they're doing so poorly. It's really too bad. Unfortunate is a good word. 1. Getting reverse all killed by your former rival, who somehow managed to claim victory from the jaws of defeat 2. Going up against Acer, only to realize that they decided to field Innovation of all people first 3. Going up against mYi, and not having Jaedong available For the sake of the competitiveness of ATC, as well as the hype, I do hope that EG can take a few matches, and make the match against Mill close.
We will do our best man
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On May 15 2014 10:48 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2014 10:05 Bagration wrote:On May 15 2014 08:31 vult wrote:
Yeah I see EG as the team of unfortunate circumstances, and that's why they're doing so poorly. It's really too bad. Unfortunate is a good word. 1. Getting reverse all killed by your former rival, who somehow managed to claim victory from the jaws of defeat 2. Going up against Acer, only to realize that they decided to field Innovation of all people first 3. Going up against mYi, and not having Jaedong available For the sake of the competitiveness of ATC, as well as the hype, I do hope that EG can take a few matches, and make the match against Mill close. We will do our best man
Do you still believe in there being a Team liquid EG rivalry? I personally feel like this died back when huk joined eg and then now it feels like team liquid is on just a whole new level when it comes to results and now it feels like its a Liquid Acer rivaly between the foreign teams. what do you think?
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On May 15 2014 11:13 URLateral wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2014 10:48 iNcontroL wrote:On May 15 2014 10:05 Bagration wrote:On May 15 2014 08:31 vult wrote:
Yeah I see EG as the team of unfortunate circumstances, and that's why they're doing so poorly. It's really too bad. Unfortunate is a good word. 1. Getting reverse all killed by your former rival, who somehow managed to claim victory from the jaws of defeat 2. Going up against Acer, only to realize that they decided to field Innovation of all people first 3. Going up against mYi, and not having Jaedong available For the sake of the competitiveness of ATC, as well as the hype, I do hope that EG can take a few matches, and make the match against Mill close. We will do our best man Do you still believe in there being a Team liquid EG rivalry? I personally feel like this died back when huk joined eg and then now it feels like team liquid is on just a whole new level when it comes to results and now it feels like its a Liquid Acer rivaly between the foreign teams. what do you think?
The rivalry was still alive and well when Huk joined EG. If anything, the transfer only increased the rivalry. I think the rivalry died with EGTL in PL. Can't really sustain a rivalry well when you are teammates.
The transfer of Huk to EG did kill the hype of the Huk-Idra rivalry though, for the above reasons
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EG needs to re-establish the foreigner scene dominance. Go EG!
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On May 15 2014 12:17 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2014 11:13 URLateral wrote:On May 15 2014 10:48 iNcontroL wrote:On May 15 2014 10:05 Bagration wrote:On May 15 2014 08:31 vult wrote:
Yeah I see EG as the team of unfortunate circumstances, and that's why they're doing so poorly. It's really too bad. Unfortunate is a good word. 1. Getting reverse all killed by your former rival, who somehow managed to claim victory from the jaws of defeat 2. Going up against Acer, only to realize that they decided to field Innovation of all people first 3. Going up against mYi, and not having Jaedong available For the sake of the competitiveness of ATC, as well as the hype, I do hope that EG can take a few matches, and make the match against Mill close. We will do our best man Do you still believe in there being a Team liquid EG rivalry? I personally feel like this died back when huk joined eg and then now it feels like team liquid is on just a whole new level when it comes to results and now it feels like its a Liquid Acer rivaly between the foreign teams. what do you think? The rivalry was still alive and well when Huk joined EG. If anything, the transfer only increased the rivalry. I think the rivalry died with EGTL in PL. Can't really sustain a rivalry well when you are teammates. The transfer of Huk to EG did kill the hype of the Huk-Idra rivalry though, for the above reasons
I agree. As awesome (and it was awesome) as the two titan foreigner teams join forces to battle the overwhelming Proleague, it killed alot of the hype
Then again one could say that about Axiom-Acer partnership, altough that's a more friendly rivalry (but let's be fair, all rivalry are more or less friendly to some extent in my book)
Acer: stealing Foreign Zergs, Korean Terrans and rivals since 2011
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As if Acer had rivals. They just have people despising them ...
Anyway, Go Millenium !
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iNcontroL
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We had to forfeit this war. Sorry everyone. The players were informed weeks in advance and reminded leading up to this match we had a war but nobody showed up. We are embarrassed, upset and sad. Sorry to disappoint everyone here. Cya next time I hope.
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On May 16 2014 00:59 iNcontroL wrote:
We had to forfeit this war. Sorry everyone. The players were informed weeks in advance and reminded leading up to this match we had a war but nobody showed up. We are embarrassed, upset and sad. Sorry to disappoint everyone here. Cya next time I hope.
Erf. 
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Aww, that's unfortunate D:
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On May 16 2014 00:59 iNcontroL wrote:
We had to forfeit this war. Sorry everyone. The players were informed weeks in advance and reminded leading up to this match we had a war but nobody showed up. We are embarrassed, upset and sad. Sorry to disappoint everyone here. Cya next time I hope.
T_T
it's not even postponed, it's a Default loss?
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On May 16 2014 00:59 iNcontroL wrote:
We had to forfeit this war. Sorry everyone. The players were informed weeks in advance and reminded leading up to this match we had a war but nobody showed up. We are embarrassed, upset and sad. Sorry to disappoint everyone here. Cya next time I hope.
How does that happen? Everyone just no-showed?
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EG forfeiting this is really unfair on all the other teams that EG play.
Well congrats Millenium, a free 5-0 I guess.
Pretty poor from a team as established as Evil Geniuses. Not really what you'd expect from them tbh. I'm even more dissapointed that we won't get to watch Millenium vs EG, would have been a hotly contested match..
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On May 16 2014 00:59 iNcontroL wrote:
We had to forfeit this war. Sorry everyone. The players were informed weeks in advance and reminded leading up to this match we had a war but nobody showed up. We are embarrassed, upset and sad. Sorry to disappoint everyone here. Cya next time I hope.
That's really bad. Your apology is really good, though, cred to you for being mature.
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Oh man. Well thanks for saying something Geoff! Isn't JD on a little holiday? There was a picture of him Wakeboarding on his Facebook.
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On May 16 2014 00:59 iNcontroL wrote:
We had to forfeit this war. Sorry everyone. The players were informed weeks in advance and reminded leading up to this match we had a war but nobody showed up. We are embarrassed, upset and sad. Sorry to disappoint everyone here. Cya next time I hope.
Wow sad to hear, but if players really just didn't show up, you can't really ask for rescheduling I guess . Man I was really looking forward to see Jaedong playing. He was streaming earlier too.
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On May 16 2014 00:59 iNcontroL wrote:
We had to forfeit this war. Sorry everyone. The players were informed weeks in advance and reminded leading up to this match we had a war but nobody showed up. We are embarrassed, upset and sad. Sorry to disappoint everyone here. Cya next time I hope.
Ouch. I guess 'murica/kr based teams just have it too hard for EU prime times. Sad
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But i wanted to see Forgg crush JD ;(
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Poor iNcontroL not your fault at all
seriously EG players, what the fuck? How can this happen
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Should have used their core player Stephano 
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On May 16 2014 01:09 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2014 00:59 iNcontroL wrote:
We had to forfeit this war. Sorry everyone. The players were informed weeks in advance and reminded leading up to this match we had a war but nobody showed up. We are embarrassed, upset and sad. Sorry to disappoint everyone here. Cya next time I hope. Ouch. I guess 'murica/kr based teams just have it too hard for EU prime times. Sad
But 6pm cet is the best case scenario really. It's 9-12 am in the US and 1am in Korea. I guess there was some miscommunication?
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On May 16 2014 01:10 Nerchio wrote:Should have used their core player Stephano
iNcontroL should have just all killed Millenium
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That's.. I mean.
I don't want to be like a dick or something, but that's kind of awful. I'm actually really disappointed in EG. D:
You folks knocked my favorite team out of the qualifier with a JD all-kill and you don't show up to the matches. That stings.
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As much as I wanted Millenium to smash EG in this one, I wanted it to be fair and square. A forfeit is never good for anyone.
@iNcontroL Wasn't it possible for you to play the first game while asking to a staff member to spam the other players to make them come in time ?
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On May 16 2014 00:59 iNcontroL wrote:
We had to forfeit this war. Sorry everyone. The players were informed weeks in advance and reminded leading up to this match we had a war but nobody showed up. We are embarrassed, upset and sad. Sorry to disappoint everyone here. Cya next time I hope.
nice of you to take your time and post here to inform us.
too bad definetely would have been a great cw to watch. hope you get your players together for the next time.
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Suppy can't play of course and Xeno should have school. But where are Demu, Huk, JYP and JD. Geoff is there, only 3 needed to show up .
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Feel bad for Incontrol This is extremely embarrassing for EG
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too bad. really disappointed
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On May 16 2014 01:13 Rehio wrote:
That's.. I mean.
I don't want to be like a dick or something, but that's kind of awful. I'm actually really disappointed in EG. D:
You folks knocked my favorite team out of the qualifier with a JD all-kill and you don't show up to the matches. That stings.
It's kind of unacceptable really. Geoff's apology was a good one but I don't like his original excuses. All the other teams manage just fine, an organisation as big as EG should be able to cope with this. And if you don't think you can? Then don't sign up for it in the first place. There are many teams that would just love to have a spot in the ATC, and EG not taking it seriously is a middle-finger to those teams.
It also really fucking sucks for us fans who were looking forward to the match.
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Will be pretty BS if mill go into the playoffs due to them getting a free 5-0.
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That's bad form by EG unfortunately
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If this happened in any other professional sport, the players would be fined - and put on a company disciplinary.
What's going to happen to the EG guys, any ramifications of their actions?
And good on you InControl for being straight up with the reason - i know it must of been heartbreaking for you to write that post. To be honest, your players have let you, your organisation, and Alex Garfitt down. Dissapointing.
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On May 16 2014 00:59 iNcontroL wrote:
We had to forfeit this war. Sorry everyone. The players were informed weeks in advance and reminded leading up to this match we had a war but nobody showed up. We are embarrassed, upset and sad. Sorry to disappoint everyone here. Cya next time I hope.
That´s everything else but not professional!
I think you have to play some American Football with them. Not WITH them but against them^^
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incontrol all kill - no confidence?
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That sucks for EG, they have to get their players committed and schedules in check before committing. They are the Yankees of SC2, they have the money, star players, and organization to run a team, but having your players flying everywhere to cast and everything ruins the integrity of the tournament or clan war if they have to forfeit and such.
Idk just my two cents. EG should realize they are a team first and an entertainment/personality producer second.
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On May 16 2014 01:25 Crot4le wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2014 01:13 Rehio wrote:
That's.. I mean.
I don't want to be like a dick or something, but that's kind of awful. I'm actually really disappointed in EG. D:
You folks knocked my favorite team out of the qualifier with a JD all-kill and you don't show up to the matches. That stings. It's kind of unacceptable really. Geoff's apology was a good one but I don't like his original excuses. All the other teams manage just fine, an organisation as big as EG should be able to cope with this. And if you don't think you can? Then don't sign up for it in the first place. There are many teams that would just love to have a spot in the ATC, and EG not taking it seriously is a middle-finger to those teams. It also really fucking sucks for us fans who were looking forward to the match.
To be honest I'm hoping for some repercussions to come from this. Whether it's a ban from the next season of ATC or something else, I don't feel like something this big can just be let go.
I may just be salty, though.
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And EG is the most professional team in esports? There have to be some consequences for the players who screwed this up.
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On May 16 2014 01:49 Rehio wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2014 01:25 Crot4le wrote:On May 16 2014 01:13 Rehio wrote:
That's.. I mean.
I don't want to be like a dick or something, but that's kind of awful. I'm actually really disappointed in EG. D:
You folks knocked my favorite team out of the qualifier with a JD all-kill and you don't show up to the matches. That stings. It's kind of unacceptable really. Geoff's apology was a good one but I don't like his original excuses. All the other teams manage just fine, an organisation as big as EG should be able to cope with this. And if you don't think you can? Then don't sign up for it in the first place. There are many teams that would just love to have a spot in the ATC, and EG not taking it seriously is a middle-finger to those teams. It also really fucking sucks for us fans who were looking forward to the match. To be honest I'm hoping for some repercussions to come from this. Whether it's a ban from the next season of ATC or something else, I don't feel like something this big can just be let go. I may just be salty, though.
Suggesting a ban for next season? Definitely salty.....
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Does EG not have the telephone numbers of their players or what?
I guess 21st century forgot that smartPHONES also have numbers you can call lol
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Should we make a thread on the new /r/EvilGeniuses subreddit ?
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On May 16 2014 00:59 iNcontroL wrote:
We had to forfeit this war. Sorry everyone. The players were informed weeks in advance and reminded leading up to this match we had a war but nobody showed up. We are embarrassed, upset and sad. Sorry to disappoint everyone here. Cya next time I hope.
That's terrible x.x How does an entire team just...forget to play in a tournament? Appreciate the apology, but this is very disappointing
On May 16 2014 01:56 sharkie wrote:
Does EG not have the telephone numbers of their players or what?
I guess 21st century forgot that smartPHONES also have numbers you can call lol
Or just mass text >.> Do they all really have better things to do?
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wait does a forfeit win count as a 5-0 towards your map score?
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On May 16 2014 01:48 triforks wrote:
EG pulling a naniwa
Or a (Millenium) Stephano. Remember when he would repeatedly screw over Millenium by not showing up to their team games? I hope his dismissive attitude hasn't really spread to all of EG, despite this ironic forfeit to Millenium.
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I guess Alex Garfield was serious when he threw that fit after Stephano and Xlord rematched saying no more players would play in Take's tournament.
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Some more text from iNc posted on reddit
Hey guys. I spoke to this on TL but it is getting a lot of attention here. First off, it isn't acceptable. Not by any stretch of imagination. Players were emailed and skype notified weeks in advance but also continuously as time went on. JD showed up 5 minutes after start time (1am his time), Huk showed up at 8:58am which is 2 minutes before start time but 3 minutes after announce player time. Xeno has school, Suppy is in China and Demuslim has no computer due to TI4 quals being ran at the GD Studio. Thorzain is basically retired (more on that later) and Stephano doesn't play in this league. I was available to play but I had no teammates on at announce time so I didn't want to waste Take's production team time or Millenium's time. It's all kinds of bad. Embarrassing for EG, unfair to the tourney organizers who were counting on this content, the participants of the tourney as Millenium gets a 5-0 win etc.. I won't make excuses and I can't promise "heads will roll" but I can humbly say EG is sorry to you the fans and everyone involved. I can tell you moving forward with EG's reduced roster and our travel demands we probably will not be doing team leagues in the future. It's really difficult on our squad and can lead to us fucking up on this scale Sorry again.
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lots of words with no consequences...
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On May 16 2014 02:21 AlternativeEgo wrote:Some more text from iNc posted on reddit Show nested quote +Hey guys. I spoke to this on TL but it is getting a lot of attention here. First off, it isn't acceptable. Not by any stretch of imagination. Players were emailed and skype notified weeks in advance but also continuously as time went on. JD showed up 5 minutes after start time (1am his time), Huk showed up at 8:58am which is 2 minutes before start time but 3 minutes after announce player time. Xeno has school, Suppy is in China and Demuslim has no computer due to TI4 quals being ran at the GD Studio. Thorzain is basically retired (more on that later) and Stephano doesn't play in this league. I was available to play but I had no teammates on at announce time so I didn't want to waste Take's production team time or Millenium's time. It's all kinds of bad. Embarrassing for EG, unfair to the tourney organizers who were counting on this content, the participants of the tourney as Millenium gets a 5-0 win etc.. I won't make excuses and I can't promise "heads will roll" but I can humbly say EG is sorry to you the fans and everyone involved. I can tell you moving forward with EG's reduced roster and our travel demands we probably will not be doing team leagues in the future. It's really difficult on our squad and can lead to us fucking up on this scale Sorry again.
so basically, iNcontroL could have started the game, then HuK and Jaedong were here... :/ only missing 1 player to do the full war but better to forfeit 1 map than a full war I think
of course, he couldnt know that when he had to announce a player, but well
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On May 16 2014 02:13 Shellshock wrote:
wait does a forfeit win count as a 5-0 towards your map score?
Is there another choice ?
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On May 16 2014 02:24 sharkie wrote:
lots of words with no consequences...
Exactly. EG already received a penalty point during their match against Yoe Flash Wolves for failure to announce their first player on time. They didn't learn from that mistake, and I doubt they'll learn from this one, at least until the sponsors start complaining that they don't want their brand associated with no-showing.
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On May 16 2014 02:27 Yhamm wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2014 02:21 AlternativeEgo wrote:Some more text from iNc posted on reddit Hey guys. I spoke to this on TL but it is getting a lot of attention here. First off, it isn't acceptable. Not by any stretch of imagination. Players were emailed and skype notified weeks in advance but also continuously as time went on. JD showed up 5 minutes after start time (1am his time), Huk showed up at 8:58am which is 2 minutes before start time but 3 minutes after announce player time. Xeno has school, Suppy is in China and Demuslim has no computer due to TI4 quals being ran at the GD Studio. Thorzain is basically retired (more on that later) and Stephano doesn't play in this league. I was available to play but I had no teammates on at announce time so I didn't want to waste Take's production team time or Millenium's time. It's all kinds of bad. Embarrassing for EG, unfair to the tourney organizers who were counting on this content, the participants of the tourney as Millenium gets a 5-0 win etc.. I won't make excuses and I can't promise "heads will roll" but I can humbly say EG is sorry to you the fans and everyone involved. I can tell you moving forward with EG's reduced roster and our travel demands we probably will not be doing team leagues in the future. It's really difficult on our squad and can lead to us fucking up on this scale Sorry again. so basically, iNcontroL could have started the game, then HuK and Jaedong were here... :/ only missing 1 player to do the full war but better to forfeit 1 map than a full war I think of course, he couldnt know that when he had to announce a player, but well
At the time he forfeit there was only him.
Exactly. EG already received a penalty point during their match against Yoe Flash Wolves for failure to announce their first player on time. They didn't learn from that mistake, and I doubt they'll learn from this one, at least until the sponsors start complaining that they don't want their brand associated with no-showing.
6 players were 2 are not full pros are just a thin roster for a league with a lot of games like ATC.
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I think Incontrol should have played. Later he would have both JD and HuK available and they wouldn't get rekt in map score at least
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On May 16 2014 02:34 Ej_ wrote:
I think Incontrol should have played. Later he would have both JD and HuK available and they wouldn't get rekt in map score at least
Except Geoff didn't know that HuK and Jaedong would eventually be ready. Geoff would have had to start the game under the impression that only he was playing. HuK and Jaedong came on after it was time to announce who was playing for each team, so Geoff would have only had himself.
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Congratz to both EG and millenium.
Eg management wins this week's Topest of kek management, with not even one but ZERO player available !
I too really think incontrol should have started the match, you never know...Just go macro game while the rest of EG staff is trying to reach the other players...I don't know but i feel kinda insulted as a viewer that they did not even make the effort to send at LEAST one player.
Millenium winning luckiest team award of the week.
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And I thought EG is full of professional players, well disapointting
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On May 16 2014 02:21 AlternativeEgo wrote:Some more text from iNc posted on reddit Show nested quote +Hey guys. I spoke to this on TL but it is getting a lot of attention here. First off, it isn't acceptable. Not by any stretch of imagination. Players were emailed and skype notified weeks in advance but also continuously as time went on. JD showed up 5 minutes after start time (1am his time), Huk showed up at 8:58am which is 2 minutes before start time but 3 minutes after announce player time. Xeno has school, Suppy is in China and Demuslim has no computer due to TI4 quals being ran at the GD Studio. Thorzain is basically retired (more on that later) and Stephano doesn't play in this league. I was available to play but I had no teammates on at announce time so I didn't want to waste Take's production team time or Millenium's time. It's all kinds of bad. Embarrassing for EG, unfair to the tourney organizers who were counting on this content, the participants of the tourney as Millenium gets a 5-0 win etc.. I won't make excuses and I can't promise "heads will roll" but I can humbly say EG is sorry to you the fans and everyone involved. I can tell you moving forward with EG's reduced roster and our travel demands we probably will not be doing team leagues in the future. It's really difficult on our squad and can lead to us fucking up on this scale Sorry again.
ah shit, i feel so bad for him poor guy
Guess after this season it will be the end of EG doing any team league, sad
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On May 16 2014 02:28 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2014 02:13 Shellshock wrote:
wait does a forfeit win count as a 5-0 towards your map score? Is there another choice ?
give them the match win and not give them +5 towards tiebreakers? I mean I guess you could say that at least they showed up but were robbed of the chance to earn the +5
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On May 16 2014 02:53 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2014 02:28 Boucot wrote:On May 16 2014 02:13 Shellshock wrote:
wait does a forfeit win count as a 5-0 towards your map score? Is there another choice ? give them the match win and not give them +5 towards tiebreakers? I mean I guess you could say that at least they showed up but were robbed of the chance to earn the +5
There's no easy solution, since I think tiebreaks are determined by maps won and not map difference (not 100% sure though). That could end up hurting Mill. But give them 5 wins, and it hurts the teams who had to play EG's full lineup
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On May 16 2014 02:58 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2014 02:53 Shellshock wrote:On May 16 2014 02:28 Boucot wrote:On May 16 2014 02:13 Shellshock wrote:
wait does a forfeit win count as a 5-0 towards your map score? Is there another choice ? give them the match win and not give them +5 towards tiebreakers? I mean I guess you could say that at least they showed up but were robbed of the chance to earn the +5 There's no easy solution, since I think tiebreaks are determined by maps won and not map difference (not 100% sure though). That could end up hurting Mill. But give them 5 wins, and it hurts the teams who had to play EG's full lineup
It's map difference over map won.
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On May 16 2014 03:02 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2014 02:58 Bagration wrote:On May 16 2014 02:53 Shellshock wrote:On May 16 2014 02:28 Boucot wrote:On May 16 2014 02:13 Shellshock wrote:
wait does a forfeit win count as a 5-0 towards your map score? Is there another choice ? give them the match win and not give them +5 towards tiebreakers? I mean I guess you could say that at least they showed up but were robbed of the chance to earn the +5 There's no easy solution, since I think tiebreaks are determined by maps won and not map difference (not 100% sure though). That could end up hurting Mill. But give them 5 wins, and it hurts the teams who had to play EG's full lineup It's map difference over map won.
Thank you. In that case, it is not as big of an impact, but if map difference is the same, then it would be maps won, which would hurt Mill.
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your Country52797 Posts
On May 15 2014 04:33 Aeromi wrote:
Millenium ez pz.
Surprisingly, yes.
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I can not fathom why incontrol would just let them forfeit rather than play and a) go for the all kill (possible, was not going to happen, but worth trying), or b) hope somebody shows up (two players would have been there). IMO shows a mental state for incontrol where he will never be semi competitive again, and is more suited to cast/host/stream.
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On May 16 2014 03:44 duckk wrote:
I can not fathom why incontrol would just let them forfeit rather than play and a) go for the all kill (possible, was not going to happen, but worth trying), or b) hope somebody shows up (two players would have been there). IMO shows a mental state for incontrol where he will never be semi competitive again, and is more suited to cast/host/stream.
I think jumping from "iNcontroL announced a forfeit because he was the only one ready to play on time" to "iNcontroL won't ever be competitive anymore" is quite a non sequitur. I think the bigger issues are the lack of communication between EG members, the question of how well they're able to make commitments, and whether or not EG will be penalized for this. I believe Geoff already commented on how they're not going to be making very many team-related commitments, due to how scattered they are. At least he's been transparent about the fuck up.
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interesting..............
I thought these are progamers and EG was a big legit company.
I can't believe no one showed up on time. Most people can't just skip a meeting or not show up at work...
For EG's image, it would be good to fine the people that showed up late :/ not alot but just to show that they are working to improve
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On May 16 2014 00:59 iNcontroL wrote:
We had to forfeit this war. Sorry everyone. The players were informed weeks in advance and reminded leading up to this match we had a war but nobody showed up. We are embarrassed, upset and sad. Sorry to disappoint everyone here. Cya next time I hope.
wtf people no showed? man thats pathetic.
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I would have expected that from Eclypsia not EG. Sad to hear we won't be seeing HuK in team leagues anymore (yea fanboy comment sorry)
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On May 16 2014 05:09 Demicore wrote:I would have expected that from Eclypsia not EG. Sad to hear we won't be seeing HuK in team leagues anymore (yea fanboy comment sorry)
Now Eclypsia, that was a shitshow. Remember their meme contest? Remember when they decided for April fools to have one of their players accuse the team of fraud?
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iNcontroL
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On May 16 2014 03:44 duckk wrote:
I can not fathom why incontrol would just let them forfeit rather than play and a) go for the all kill (possible, was not going to happen, but worth trying), or b) hope somebody shows up (two players would have been there). IMO shows a mental state for incontrol where he will never be semi competitive again, and is more suited to cast/host/stream.
Because there was more people involved than that. At the time nobody was responding and I was alone. So rather than try and buy time for something that I had no evidence would change and drag out the embarrassment but also waste more of Take's teams time and Millenium I decided to call it like it was.. we didn't have a team.
Please don't try and blame me for this. I was in a bad spot and I made the most unselfish choice I thought I could.
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Sucks that no one was available, I really love seeing EG in team leagues but having a team split across three regions makes organising a challenge
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On May 16 2014 05:33 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2014 03:44 duckk wrote:
I can not fathom why incontrol would just let them forfeit rather than play and a) go for the all kill (possible, was not going to happen, but worth trying), or b) hope somebody shows up (two players would have been there). IMO shows a mental state for incontrol where he will never be semi competitive again, and is more suited to cast/host/stream. Because there was more people involved than that. At the time nobody was responding and I was alone. So rather than try and buy time for something that I had no evidence would change and drag out the embarrassment but also waste more of Take's teams time and Millenium I decided to call it like it was.. we didn't have a team. Please don't try and blame me for this. I was in a bad spot and I made the most unselfish choice I thought I could.
Don't let the haters get you down! Though you could've said you had violent diarrhea and you need 30 mins to get it sorted. I believe there is a rule that allots this time in the ATC for just that purpose. This would have surely saved face.
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On May 16 2014 06:33 caznitch wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2014 05:33 iNcontroL wrote:On May 16 2014 03:44 duckk wrote:
I can not fathom why incontrol would just let them forfeit rather than play and a) go for the all kill (possible, was not going to happen, but worth trying), or b) hope somebody shows up (two players would have been there). IMO shows a mental state for incontrol where he will never be semi competitive again, and is more suited to cast/host/stream. Because there was more people involved than that. At the time nobody was responding and I was alone. So rather than try and buy time for something that I had no evidence would change and drag out the embarrassment but also waste more of Take's teams time and Millenium I decided to call it like it was.. we didn't have a team. Please don't try and blame me for this. I was in a bad spot and I made the most unselfish choice I thought I could. Don't let the haters get you down! Though you could've said you had violent diarrhea and you need 30 mins to get it sorted. I believe there is a rule that allots this time in the ATC for just that purpose. This would have surely saved face.
I'm pretty sure that if Incontrol knew JD and HuK (and possibly a fourth) were arriving shortly after he forfeited, he would just tell them like it is "I'll play the first game, others will be arriving shortly to play the other games". What if they didn't show up and he played the first game? EG would have to forfeit game 2-4 and let incontrol be ace again. This situation is probably even more ridiculous than just forfeiting. He had to make a call on his own and as far as he knew no one was coming, so I can only agree with his call. Hindsight is always easier.
I agree with the assessment that EG is more of a tourney team. Last year they had an incredibly solid line-up of Revival, Alive & Oz to fall back on for team leagues. Now they mostly have a team who travels around the world looking for tournaments to win, trying to combine that with real life. They don't seem to have many players who are always available anymore, so a teamleague is difficult.
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On May 16 2014 05:33 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2014 03:44 duckk wrote:
I can not fathom why incontrol would just let them forfeit rather than play and a) go for the all kill (possible, was not going to happen, but worth trying), or b) hope somebody shows up (two players would have been there). IMO shows a mental state for incontrol where he will never be semi competitive again, and is more suited to cast/host/stream. Because there was more people involved than that. At the time nobody was responding and I was alone. So rather than try and buy time for something that I had no evidence would change and drag out the embarrassment but also waste more of Take's teams time and Millenium I decided to call it like it was.. we didn't have a team. Please don't try and blame me for this. I was in a bad spot and I made the most unselfish choice I thought I could.
You made the right call.
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incontrol would have all killed Mill by himself
only need 1 EG player
and uhhh Demuslim had no access to a computer not even a net cafe or wherever....these matches were scheduled way ahead of time?
atleast EG had good showing in fighting game scene recently
east-coast-throwdown-2014
Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition v2012 — Results
1. EG|Ricky Ortiz (Rufus)
2. PIE|Zeus (Vega, M. Bison)
3. TS|Arturo Sanchez (Rose, Dhalsim)
4. EG|Justin Wong (Rufus)
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On May 16 2014 06:01 Larkin wrote:Sucks that no one was available, I really love seeing EG in team leagues but having a team split across three regions makes organising a challenge
Thats no excuse. Tons of international teams have been doing team leagues like this for years this is 100% on EG not on incontrol but more the players and management.
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Very very disappointed, at this rate EG brand is all but ruined for me.
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Ah well, it happens man. At least we got the full story and not some excuses.
sad I didn't get to see the inControl All Kill though. BEASTMODE!
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On May 16 2014 10:49 KelsierSC wrote:
Ah well, it happens man. At least we got the full story and not some excuses.
sad I didn't get to see the inControl All Kill though. BEASTMODE!
no it just does not happen
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good Dennison by incontroll to forfeit unacceptable for the other players not to show.
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On May 16 2014 10:49 KelsierSC wrote:
Ah well, it happens man. At least we got the full story and not some excuses.
sad I didn't get to see the inControl All Kill though. BEASTMODE!
Where does that happen?
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