• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:03
CEST 21:03
KST 04:03
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview27Code S RO12 Preview: GuMiho, Bunny, SHIN, ByuN3The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL47Code S RO12 Preview: Cure, Zoun, Solar, Creator4[ASL19] Finals Preview: Daunting Task30
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 2-8): herO doubles down1[BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates9GSL Ro4 and Finals moved to Sunday June 15th13Weekly Cups (May 27-June 1): ByuN goes back-to-back0EWC 2025 Regional Qualifier Results26
StarCraft 2
General
CN community: Firefly accused of suspicious activities Firefly do had match fixing The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation How does the number of casters affect your enjoyment of esports? Serious Question: Mech
Tourneys
$3,500 WardiTV European League 2025 Bellum Gens Elite: Stara Zagora 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
[G] Darkgrid Layout Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance
Brood War
General
Will foreigners ever be able to challenge Koreans? BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Mihu vs Korea Players Statistics BW General Discussion [BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates
Tourneys
[ASL19] Grand Finals NA Team League 6/8/2025 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 2
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread What do you want from future RTS games? Armies of Exigo - YesYes? Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
LiquidLegends to reintegrate into TL.net
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Vape Nation Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Maru Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Cognitive styles x game perf…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Poker
Nebuchad
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 22410 users

[DreamHack] Bucharest Day 1 Group Stages 2014 - Page 140

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 138 139 140 141 142 148 Next
Viewing guide: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/449195-automatic-stream-guide-dh-bucharest
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
April 26 2014 20:28 GMT
#2781
On April 27 2014 05:27 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2014 05:27 Wombat_NI wrote:
For the record I like TB and his team etc.

Serious question, has anyone really felt as dominant as Innovation at the peak of his powers? Across those GSL runs and his Proleague showings guy was a monster at his peak

yea Mvp because he actually won the tournaments

but people didn't like Mvp until wrists and stuff
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
AWalker9
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United Kingdom7229 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-26 20:29:19
April 26 2014 20:28 GMT
#2782
On April 27 2014 05:27 Wombat_NI wrote:
For the record I like TB and his team etc.

Serious question, has anyone really felt as dominant as Innovation at the peak of his powers? Across those GSL runs and his Proleague showings guy was a monster at his peak


I'd argue herO at the end of last year/start of this year pretty much fits the bill, his win record across all matchups were insane.
soOjwa has returned to smite all that stand in his way
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
April 26 2014 20:29 GMT
#2783
On April 27 2014 05:27 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2014 05:24 Bagration wrote:
On April 27 2014 05:22 herMan wrote:
Yah I'm talking about how he's been a favorite in every tournament for the past year. I expected him to rack up tourney wins by now like Taeja likes to do in summertime.


He's always been close, but only closed it out once.

Then again, from March to end of August in 2013, he got top 4 or better in every single Premier tournament that he entered. Only Mvp and Life have had comparable levels of domination.

And he's the only player to have won the teamleague triple crown (PL, GSTL, and ATC).

Prime won it with GSTL, IPL and KSL in 2012, literally won every tournament they entered for about half the year

2012 Prime was sick. But you cant deny Innovation rekt teamleagues really hard
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
April 26 2014 20:29 GMT
#2784
On April 27 2014 05:28 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2014 05:27 Shellshock wrote:
On April 27 2014 05:27 Wombat_NI wrote:
For the record I like TB and his team etc.

Serious question, has anyone really felt as dominant as Innovation at the peak of his powers? Across those GSL runs and his Proleague showings guy was a monster at his peak

yea Mvp because he actually won the tournaments

but people didn't like Mvp until wrists and stuff

Many a MKP fan did Mvp make sad back in the days. Before he was exposed as a human he wasn't particularly charismatic or had a storyline, was just another good Korean Terran who would overwhelm anyone with mechanics and strategy.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
April 26 2014 20:30 GMT
#2785
On April 27 2014 05:28 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2014 05:27 Shellshock wrote:
On April 27 2014 05:27 Wombat_NI wrote:
For the record I like TB and his team etc.

Serious question, has anyone really felt as dominant as Innovation at the peak of his powers? Across those GSL runs and his Proleague showings guy was a monster at his peak

yea Mvp because he actually won the tournaments

but people didn't like Mvp until wrists and stuff


The greatest image change of all time. He went from this evil Terran emotionless overlord into this scrappy underdog retired champ who used intelligence, cunning and willpower to win.
Moderator
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
April 26 2014 20:30 GMT
#2786
On April 27 2014 05:26 opterown wrote:
don't worry there's always azera's blog to lighten things up ;D

Oooh I remember that blog. Was just hilarious
Community News
TL+ Member
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
April 26 2014 20:30 GMT
#2787
On April 27 2014 05:29 GumBa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2014 05:27 opterown wrote:
On April 27 2014 05:24 Bagration wrote:
On April 27 2014 05:22 herMan wrote:
Yah I'm talking about how he's been a favorite in every tournament for the past year. I expected him to rack up tourney wins by now like Taeja likes to do in summertime.


He's always been close, but only closed it out once.

Then again, from March to end of August in 2013, he got top 4 or better in every single Premier tournament that he entered. Only Mvp and Life have had comparable levels of domination.

And he's the only player to have won the teamleague triple crown (PL, GSTL, and ATC).

Prime won it with GSTL, IPL and KSL in 2012, literally won every tournament they entered for about half the year

2012 Prime was sick. But you cant deny Innovation rekt teamleagues really hard

eh i'm pretty sure creator at his teamleague peak had a better teamleague winrate than bogus at his peak, same for taeja
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
April 26 2014 20:30 GMT
#2788
On April 27 2014 05:27 Wombat_NI wrote:
For the record I like TB and his team etc.

Serious question, has anyone really felt as dominant as Innovation at the peak of his powers? Across those GSL runs and his Proleague showings guy was a monster at his peak


Innovation was pretty clearly god tier. Tournament wins are great but they're not as important as people make them out to be. Form is a much better indicator and he was dominant in all matchups, across team and individual leagues. Ridiculous team-league performance for both AxAcer and Acer in ATC. Bunch of RO4 finishes in top-tier tournaments, not to mention his ridiculous performance in Proleague with 3 all-kills.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
April 26 2014 20:31 GMT
#2789
On April 27 2014 05:30 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2014 05:29 GumBa wrote:
On April 27 2014 05:27 opterown wrote:
On April 27 2014 05:24 Bagration wrote:
On April 27 2014 05:22 herMan wrote:
Yah I'm talking about how he's been a favorite in every tournament for the past year. I expected him to rack up tourney wins by now like Taeja likes to do in summertime.


He's always been close, but only closed it out once.

Then again, from March to end of August in 2013, he got top 4 or better in every single Premier tournament that he entered. Only Mvp and Life have had comparable levels of domination.

And he's the only player to have won the teamleague triple crown (PL, GSTL, and ATC).

Prime won it with GSTL, IPL and KSL in 2012, literally won every tournament they entered for about half the year

2012 Prime was sick. But you cant deny Innovation rekt teamleagues really hard

eh i'm pretty sure creator at his teamleague peak had a better teamleague winrate than bogus at his peak, same for taeja

Em PL>>>>IPLTAC and GSTL
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
April 26 2014 20:31 GMT
#2790
On April 27 2014 05:28 AWalker9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2014 05:27 Wombat_NI wrote:
For the record I like TB and his team etc.

Serious question, has anyone really felt as dominant as Innovation at the peak of his powers? Across those GSL runs and his Proleague showings guy was a monster at his peak


I'd argue herO at the end of last year/start of this year pretty much fits the bill, his win record across all matchups were insane.


Nah its Zest and Dear.

They both did what Innovation couldn't and won two back to back Korean championships. (Or in Dear's case WCS season 3 finals)
Moderator
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 26 2014 20:31 GMT
#2791
On April 27 2014 05:27 Wombat_NI wrote:
For the record I like TB and his team etc.

Serious question, has anyone really felt as dominant as Innovation at the peak of his powers? Across those GSL runs and his Proleague showings guy was a monster at his peak


Mvp and Life
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24800 Posts
April 26 2014 20:32 GMT
#2792
Dear and Zest weren't tearing apart Proleague from recollection Inno also seemed to sweep more opponents iirc

Mvp is a god of course but I always felt with him it was a quiet confidence in him winning, not a 'he's going to tear shit up' like I got with Inno

Apparently he's opening up and showing his personality though so I'll have to avoid things exposing that. I prefer him as the emotionless Starcraft machine
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
April 26 2014 20:32 GMT
#2793
Innovation is the best Teamleague player right now though. He has yet to lose a team league despite playing for three different teams.
Moderator
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
April 26 2014 20:32 GMT
#2794
On April 27 2014 05:31 GumBa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2014 05:30 opterown wrote:
On April 27 2014 05:29 GumBa wrote:
On April 27 2014 05:27 opterown wrote:
On April 27 2014 05:24 Bagration wrote:
On April 27 2014 05:22 herMan wrote:
Yah I'm talking about how he's been a favorite in every tournament for the past year. I expected him to rack up tourney wins by now like Taeja likes to do in summertime.


He's always been close, but only closed it out once.

Then again, from March to end of August in 2013, he got top 4 or better in every single Premier tournament that he entered. Only Mvp and Life have had comparable levels of domination.

And he's the only player to have won the teamleague triple crown (PL, GSTL, and ATC).

Prime won it with GSTL, IPL and KSL in 2012, literally won every tournament they entered for about half the year

2012 Prime was sick. But you cant deny Innovation rekt teamleagues really hard

eh i'm pretty sure creator at his teamleague peak had a better teamleague winrate than bogus at his peak, same for taeja

Em PL>>>>IPLTAC and GSTL

GSTL at that time was = SPL anyway, SPL just had the lingering prestige from BW, it's just another premier korean teamleague otherwise
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
April 26 2014 20:32 GMT
#2795
Life was pretty dominant for a certain stretch and late WoL/early HotS. When Inno beat him in that group of death pretty handily he took over as most dominant. I thought he was clearly the topl player at the time even with the loss to Soulkey. The guy was just so damn scary.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
April 26 2014 20:32 GMT
#2796
Innovation is the Teamleague king of sc2
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
April 26 2014 20:33 GMT
#2797
On April 27 2014 05:32 Wombat_NI wrote:
Dear and Zest weren't tearing apart Proleague from recollection Inno also seemed to sweep more opponents iirc

Mvp is a god of course but I always felt with him it was a quiet confidence in him winning, not a 'he's going to tear shit up' like I got with Inno

Apparently he's opening up and showing his personality though so I'll have to avoid things exposing that. I prefer him as the emotionless Starcraft machine


Zest all killed SKT. What more do you want from him?
Moderator
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-26 20:34:12
April 26 2014 20:33 GMT
#2798
On April 27 2014 05:28 Yorkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2014 05:26 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 27 2014 05:25 Yorkie wrote:
On April 27 2014 05:24 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 27 2014 05:22 Yorkie wrote:
On April 27 2014 05:19 Wombat_NI wrote:
Oh my god fuck Protoss so Godamn imba what a retarded race.

I said it with passion guys so that's ok ye?

Hoping to see at least one technical weird build from TY tomorrow and hopefully an Innovation in prime form. Outside of that pretty cool matchups, god an actual racial mix in a Ro16 how refreshing

Especially so soon after spewing a bunch of posts about how protoss can't win late game against Terran. Maybe he'll go for the trifecta and say Terran can't beat zerg


Sorry I can't hear you from atop my Axiom fanatic horse

[image loading]

How mature, lucky you're super important, not just one of us worthless LR plebs or you wouldn't be here anymore


Turns out of you contribute to the scene rather than run around calling people whores and bitches in an LR thread, you get some perks.

Try it sometime.

Wow look at that, I call people whores and bitches now. I'm glad you make good use of your "perks" which you appear to think are simply entitlements to be an ass


Own up to your shit.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21260533

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21260604

You don't hold the moral highground, after you went out and called people supporting Impact a bunch of "axiom fanatic whores".


CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 26 2014 20:33 GMT
#2799
On April 27 2014 05:32 stuchiu wrote:
Innovation is the best Teamleague player right now though. He has yet to lose a team league despite playing for three different teams.


Wow, actually never thought of that. That is pretty insane.


Now if only teamleagues were more important in SC2...
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
April 26 2014 20:33 GMT
#2800
On April 27 2014 05:32 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2014 05:31 GumBa wrote:
On April 27 2014 05:30 opterown wrote:
On April 27 2014 05:29 GumBa wrote:
On April 27 2014 05:27 opterown wrote:
On April 27 2014 05:24 Bagration wrote:
On April 27 2014 05:22 herMan wrote:
Yah I'm talking about how he's been a favorite in every tournament for the past year. I expected him to rack up tourney wins by now like Taeja likes to do in summertime.


He's always been close, but only closed it out once.

Then again, from March to end of August in 2013, he got top 4 or better in every single Premier tournament that he entered. Only Mvp and Life have had comparable levels of domination.

And he's the only player to have won the teamleague triple crown (PL, GSTL, and ATC).

Prime won it with GSTL, IPL and KSL in 2012, literally won every tournament they entered for about half the year

2012 Prime was sick. But you cant deny Innovation rekt teamleagues really hard

eh i'm pretty sure creator at his teamleague peak had a better teamleague winrate than bogus at his peak, same for taeja

Em PL>>>>IPLTAC and GSTL

GSTL at that time was = SPL anyway, SPL just had the lingering prestige from BW, it's just another premier korean teamleague otherwise

I just disagree that Creators Teamleague peak was higher than Inno
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Prev 1 138 139 140 141 142 148 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4h 57m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
EnDerr 60
MindelVK 50
StarCraft: Brood War
Horang2 617
firebathero 152
Dewaltoss 106
sSak 76
Movie 49
Sacsri 29
yabsab 14
Counter-Strike
fl0m5865
olofmeister2013
rGuardiaN94
FunKaTv 53
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King74
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu527
Other Games
tarik_tv72541
gofns18540
summit1g8313
B2W.Neo926
Beastyqt734
ceh9509
mouzStarbuck378
ArmadaUGS164
QueenE59
ZombieGrub51
Trikslyr50
BRAT_OK 42
Pyrionflax29
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream3524
Other Games
BasetradeTV103
StarCraft 2
angryscii 55
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 21 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• kabyraGe 269
• Adnapsc2 40
• Dystopia_ 3
• intothetv
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki17
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21094
• Ler120
League of Legends
• Nemesis4833
• TFBlade816
Other Games
• imaqtpie826
• Shiphtur326
• Scarra18
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
4h 57m
Replay Cast
14h 57m
WardiTV Invitational
15h 57m
WardiTV Invitational
15h 57m
PiGosaur Monday
1d 4h
GSL Code S
1d 14h
Rogue vs GuMiho
Maru vs Solar
Online Event
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
GSL Code S
2 days
herO vs Zoun
Classic vs Bunny
The PondCast
2 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
OSC
3 days
Korean StarCraft League
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
Cheesadelphia
4 days
GSL Code S
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 17: Qualifier 2
BGE Stara Zagora 2025
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
2025 GSL S2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
ECL Season 49: Europe
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025

Upcoming

Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.