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Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
March 02 2014 13:26 GMT
#521
On March 02 2014 22:25 Pangpootata wrote:
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On March 02 2014 22:22 raga4ka wrote:
If i was oov i would always have SoulKey and at least two of the Rain/Classic/Parting trio and alternate the last player ...

If I were oov, I would leverage SKT's power over proleague (since they are sponsoring it) to make the format bo7 so I can play SK Rain Classic PartinG Pantaji and soO everyday.


I think a lot of us would be very happy if that happens. But SKT would still lose to KT
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
March 02 2014 13:26 GMT
#522
On March 02 2014 22:21 HolydaKing wrote:
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On March 02 2014 22:20 Seeker wrote:
On March 02 2014 22:19 opterown wrote:
On March 02 2014 22:17 Seeker wrote:
Ugh... PartinG should have been the ace...

just cos you have him on FPL? haha

soulkey -1 today, sad for me

No. Cause he won his match today. Soulkey lost his match today so I'm sure he was shaken up mentally + pressure of needing to grab an ace match win or face the fact that he would be 0-2 for the day and give SKT its first loss for Round 2.

I think some teams are choosing their Ace prior to the games. Atlest I remember something like that from interviews. Maybe SKT did too.


I think it is mainly due to maps. Since you want players to focus on the map they are getting sent out for. So you don't want everyone to also have to prepare for the Ace map as well. More efficient to have an assigned Ace.
Bowzar
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden741 Posts
March 02 2014 13:27 GMT
#523
On March 02 2014 22:23 Waxangel wrote:
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On March 02 2014 22:22 Bowzar wrote:
On March 02 2014 22:16 Pangpootata wrote:
MVP coach seems awkward around his players, and it's like they don't even want to look him in the eyes.

I have never seen that guy before. I guess they just hired someone after the original MVP owner/coach said "Later bro im going to LoL".


he's actually their old LoL coach who took the team to a championship D:

Huh didnt know that. I feel like maybe Samsung should have gotten that guy instead of the SC2 coach. Its just weird that a coach that has had nothing to do with the SC2 players is suddenly their new owner/coach.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
March 02 2014 13:27 GMT
#524
On March 02 2014 22:22 Waxangel wrote:
when they said the world would end in 2014, I didn't know they meant that soO would be the best SKT Zerg

soo was top 4 of Jin Air OSL, I didn't see bisu there.
Glorious SEA doto
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
March 02 2014 13:27 GMT
#525
On March 02 2014 22:25 Pangpootata wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 22:22 raga4ka wrote:
If i was oov i would always have SoulKey and at least two of the Rain/Classic/Parting trio and alternate the last player ...

If I were oov, I would leverage SKT's power over proleague (since they are sponsoring it) to make the format bo7 so I can play SK Rain Classic PartinG Pantaji and soO everyday.

I just want bo7 back period
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
March 02 2014 13:27 GMT
#526
On March 02 2014 22:27 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 22:22 Waxangel wrote:
when they said the world would end in 2014, I didn't know they meant that soO would be the best SKT Zerg

soo was top 4 of Jin Air OSL, I didn't see bisu there.

bisu isn't an SKT zerg though
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
March 02 2014 13:28 GMT
#527
On March 02 2014 22:21 bo1b wrote:
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On March 02 2014 22:19 raga4ka wrote:
On March 02 2014 22:17 bo1b wrote:
On March 02 2014 22:17 raga4ka wrote:
On March 02 2014 22:15 opterown wrote:
On March 02 2014 22:13 Scarecrow wrote:
Soulkey screwed, DRG just droned way better

it was more than that


SoulKey defended well what was virtually a BO loss . It's really hard to defend 10pool ling/ baneling with 15 hatch , but after that he misread his follow up.

Edit: Or did he open with a 15 pool ?

He had a bo win if he microd properly


10 pool >15hatch>15 pool>10pool . If SoulKey opened with a 15 hatch he was at a dissadvantage ... It's really hard to defend properly and you can't defend much better then that .

That's just not true lol

Here is scarlett, who afaik is probably best player who ever posts on tl's opinion on the matter

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On March 02 2014 22:10 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
On March 02 2014 22:07 Undead1993 wrote:
On March 02 2014 22:05 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
On March 02 2014 22:04 Undead1993 wrote:
On March 02 2014 22:03 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
ok this game is over already ;x

oh great oracle who won?

If SK micros well its not a hard hold

hmm poor DRG T_T

It went a lot better than expected ;o Koreans stopped doing 10p bane cuz it loses to 15h16p if scouted and the defender has good micro even on a 2p map (this game soulkey went 15h14p). It's just a coinflip on 4p maps if they dont overlord scout you first

Throwing away all those lings kinda hurt



Still takes a lot of effort to block , one mistake with the micro and you outright lose . If the 10 pool player trades ok and kills a bunch of drones it would end up about equal. As you said it could go either way , but i would rather be an the attacking side with ling/bane vs ling/drones at first isn't easy to hold .
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
March 02 2014 13:28 GMT
#528
On March 02 2014 22:25 Big J wrote:
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On March 02 2014 22:19 bo1b wrote:
On March 02 2014 22:18 Big J wrote:
On March 02 2014 22:17 bo1b wrote:
On March 02 2014 22:17 raga4ka wrote:
On March 02 2014 22:15 opterown wrote:
On March 02 2014 22:13 Scarecrow wrote:
Soulkey screwed, DRG just droned way better

it was more than that


SoulKey defended well what was virtually a BO loss . It's really hard to defend 10pool ling/ baneling with 15 hatch , but after that he misread his follow up.

Edit: Or did he open with a 15 pool ?

He had a bo win if he microd properly


I think I have only seen Leenock micro that well.

Soulkey microd well enough to be at a pretty large advantage till he didn't scout and completely misread the situation


Wait, your comment was that SoulKey had a BO win if he microed properly? Or the other way around?

Imo the situation was kind of even after the 8drones killed (though DRG had one or two moments were he could have done more damage and won). DRG had a baneling nest and speed started, SoulKey not even a gas, both on ~9workers. You need ~12workers to utilize a hatch+queen for drones, so SoulKey had no way to initially emphasize on the hatch he had up on DRG and couldn't prevent the hatchery from going down.
But yeah, after that it went a little downhill since he didn't drone as hard as he could (missing the hatch timing) and got behind instead of being rouhgly even.

You don't need a baneling nest after you defend that, scouting to see what's going on determines the path he should have chosen, had he scouted the nat going up for drg and droned hard before hitting him with a bunch of roaches that would have been lights out. Drg did way better then he should have with that attack and then sk completely dropped the ball after it, and yes, the comment is that sk has a bo win if he micros properly.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
March 02 2014 13:29 GMT
#529
Someone tell me why the hell MVP lost to prime and then beat SKT
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Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
March 02 2014 13:30 GMT
#530
On March 02 2014 22:29 The_Templar wrote:
Someone tell me why the hell MVP lost to prime and then beat SKT


Because fuck logic.
But I'm still a very happy panda, DRG winning and smiling again breaks great warmth to my heart.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
March 02 2014 13:30 GMT
#531
On March 02 2014 22:28 raga4ka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 22:21 bo1b wrote:
On March 02 2014 22:19 raga4ka wrote:
On March 02 2014 22:17 bo1b wrote:
On March 02 2014 22:17 raga4ka wrote:
On March 02 2014 22:15 opterown wrote:
On March 02 2014 22:13 Scarecrow wrote:
Soulkey screwed, DRG just droned way better

it was more than that


SoulKey defended well what was virtually a BO loss . It's really hard to defend 10pool ling/ baneling with 15 hatch , but after that he misread his follow up.

Edit: Or did he open with a 15 pool ?

He had a bo win if he microd properly


10 pool >15hatch>15 pool>10pool . If SoulKey opened with a 15 hatch he was at a dissadvantage ... It's really hard to defend properly and you can't defend much better then that .

That's just not true lol

Here is scarlett, who afaik is probably best player who ever posts on tl's opinion on the matter

On March 02 2014 22:10 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
On March 02 2014 22:07 Undead1993 wrote:
On March 02 2014 22:05 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
On March 02 2014 22:04 Undead1993 wrote:
On March 02 2014 22:03 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:
ok this game is over already ;x

oh great oracle who won?

If SK micros well its not a hard hold

hmm poor DRG T_T

It went a lot better than expected ;o Koreans stopped doing 10p bane cuz it loses to 15h16p if scouted and the defender has good micro even on a 2p map (this game soulkey went 15h14p). It's just a coinflip on 4p maps if they dont overlord scout you first

Throwing away all those lings kinda hurt



Still takes a lot of effort to block , one mistake with the micro and you outright lose . If the 10 pool player trades ok and kills a bunch of drones it would end up about equal. As you said it could go either way , but i would rather be an the attacking side with ling/bane vs ling/drones at first isn't easy to hold .

You don't need to defend like leenock did, you just need to defend well enough to survive without being utterly crippled.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
March 02 2014 13:30 GMT
#532
cos sacsri (and also soulkey looking a bit under par today)
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-02 13:31:34
March 02 2014 13:31 GMT
#533
On March 02 2014 22:21 Undead1993 wrote:
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On March 02 2014 22:20 GumBa wrote:
I have Fantasy Trap Drg and IM on fpl noice

i have life on my anti :<

i have soulkey in main and super on anti
RIP

shouldnt have traded mkp for super, his LoL badness is overhwelming
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
March 02 2014 13:31 GMT
#534
On March 02 2014 22:29 The_Templar wrote:
Someone tell me why the hell MVP lost to prime and then beat SKT

PL mang PL
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
March 02 2014 13:31 GMT
#535
On March 02 2014 22:30 Destructicon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 22:29 The_Templar wrote:
Someone tell me why the hell MVP lost to prime and then beat SKT


Because fuck logic.
But I'm still a very happy panda, DRG winning and smiling again breaks great warmth to my heart.

Yes but it breaks my 9 vote streak and probably brings me back out of the top 10
Moderatorshe/her
TL+ Member
Bowzar
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden741 Posts
March 02 2014 13:32 GMT
#536
On March 02 2014 22:29 The_Templar wrote:
Someone tell me why the hell MVP lost to prime and then beat SKT

Dream threw his game vs MKP.
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
March 02 2014 13:32 GMT
#537
On March 02 2014 22:27 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 22:27 Fusilero wrote:
On March 02 2014 22:22 Waxangel wrote:
when they said the world would end in 2014, I didn't know they meant that soO would be the best SKT Zerg

soo was top 4 of Jin Air OSL, I didn't see bisu there.

bisu isn't an SKT zerg though


soO is even more underrated now than Best was after 2009, makes top 8 / top 4 in BW / SC2, everyone just laughs it off.
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
esdf
Profile Joined December 2012
Croatia736 Posts
March 02 2014 13:32 GMT
#538
what up pantajji winning like a boss :S kinda sad i didn't pick him now
why do you not believe it? the legend has alived!
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
March 02 2014 13:33 GMT
#539
On March 02 2014 22:32 Caihead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 22:27 opterown wrote:
On March 02 2014 22:27 Fusilero wrote:
On March 02 2014 22:22 Waxangel wrote:
when they said the world would end in 2014, I didn't know they meant that soO would be the best SKT Zerg

soo was top 4 of Jin Air OSL, I didn't see bisu there.

bisu isn't an SKT zerg though


soO is even more underrated now than Best was after 2009, makes top 8 / top 4 in BW / SC2, everyone just laughs it off.

well a lot of people make RO4 and don't do much after so yea maybe that's it? he's solid but not top tier i think
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
March 02 2014 13:33 GMT
#540
Wowow, had to go eat during the ace match, but DRG won!!! Nice to see SKT can still be beaten.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
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