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opterown
Australia54785 Posts
On March 02 2014 19:45 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 19:43 GumBa wrote:On March 02 2014 19:40 Yello wrote:On March 02 2014 19:35 Qwerty85 wrote:On March 02 2014 19:33 Yello wrote:On March 02 2014 19:32 GumBa wrote:On March 02 2014 19:31 Yello wrote:On March 02 2014 19:27 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 02 2014 19:26 robson1 wrote:On March 02 2014 19:26 Zealously wrote:
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That's a nice hyperbole you got there that move was bronze micro. Obviously it's not indicative of Squirtles general skill level. Bronze don't micro. They just mass carrier mothership (and kill you because you were like : "oh this guy is bad i'm going to Qaudruple expand) :p play against Bronze on Korean server. They actually do the builds pro players do. They execute them terribly and their decision making is awful but they have a real game-plan and understand that SC2 is not quite the same as Age of Empires So basically KR bronze is AM/EU GM? To give a serious answer for once: I'd say more like gold-league on EU/AM. Maybe Platin. That is a big exaggeration. KR is probably strongest in GM and master but people overestimate their lower league players way too much. maybe I'm slightly off but I don't think by much. When I last played on NA and went from placement matches to Master I didn't hit any players who knew what they were doing until at least Gold league. Players who just build stuff for the sake of it, no actual game-plan involved. On Korea my first game against a Bronze-league player I won easily but he actually executed a marine-hellion-medivac play pretty well with good timing and everything. He knew what he was doing, he had a gameplan and a build order and practiced to execute it. He couldn't keep up after that though That's a huge difference, not only in mechanics but mostly in the thinking involved Starcraft is just so ingrained into their culture they just go about it differently. We play a game. They live a lifestyle Yeah. It's kind of awesome when you watch "The genius" and see guys that are 40+ 50+ year old know who is Yellow or Boxer. No one in my country would know any famous player even Elky is just unknown
how many late teens/early 20s do you think know stephano?
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
If Mewtwo King hated the world, he might be kind of similar to Naniwa.
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Weird thing. When i watch KessiA play. I just watch his player cam and giggle.
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On March 02 2014 19:45 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 19:45 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 02 2014 19:43 GumBa wrote:On March 02 2014 19:40 Yello wrote:On March 02 2014 19:35 Qwerty85 wrote:On March 02 2014 19:33 Yello wrote:On March 02 2014 19:32 GumBa wrote:On March 02 2014 19:31 Yello wrote:On March 02 2014 19:27 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 02 2014 19:26 robson1 wrote:
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that move was bronze micro. Obviously it's not indicative of Squirtles general skill level. Bronze don't micro. They just mass carrier mothership (and kill you because you were like : "oh this guy is bad i'm going to Qaudruple expand) :p play against Bronze on Korean server. They actually do the builds pro players do. They execute them terribly and their decision making is awful but they have a real game-plan and understand that SC2 is not quite the same as Age of Empires So basically KR bronze is AM/EU GM? To give a serious answer for once: I'd say more like gold-league on EU/AM. Maybe Platin. That is a big exaggeration. KR is probably strongest in GM and master but people overestimate their lower league players way too much. maybe I'm slightly off but I don't think by much. When I last played on NA and went from placement matches to Master I didn't hit any players who knew what they were doing until at least Gold league. Players who just build stuff for the sake of it, no actual game-plan involved. On Korea my first game against a Bronze-league player I won easily but he actually executed a marine-hellion-medivac play pretty well with good timing and everything. He knew what he was doing, he had a gameplan and a build order and practiced to execute it. He couldn't keep up after that though That's a huge difference, not only in mechanics but mostly in the thinking involved Starcraft is just so ingrained into their culture they just go about it differently. We play a game. They live a lifestyle Yeah. It's kind of awesome when you watch "The genius" and see guys that are 40+ 50+ year old know who is Yellow or Boxer. No one in my country would know any famous player even Elky is just unknown how many late teens/early 20s do you think know stephano?
who?
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Trap has been such a disappointment since separating from his better half in Dear.
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opterown
Australia54785 Posts
trap kinda underextending twice lol
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On March 02 2014 19:45 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 19:45 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 02 2014 19:43 GumBa wrote:On March 02 2014 19:40 Yello wrote:On March 02 2014 19:35 Qwerty85 wrote:On March 02 2014 19:33 Yello wrote:On March 02 2014 19:32 GumBa wrote:On March 02 2014 19:31 Yello wrote:On March 02 2014 19:27 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 02 2014 19:26 robson1 wrote:
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that move was bronze micro. Obviously it's not indicative of Squirtles general skill level. Bronze don't micro. They just mass carrier mothership (and kill you because you were like : "oh this guy is bad i'm going to Qaudruple expand) :p play against Bronze on Korean server. They actually do the builds pro players do. They execute them terribly and their decision making is awful but they have a real game-plan and understand that SC2 is not quite the same as Age of Empires So basically KR bronze is AM/EU GM? For non SC WATCHERS ? about 0.001% To give a serious answer for once: I'd say more like gold-league on EU/AM. Maybe Platin. That is a big exaggeration. KR is probably strongest in GM and master but people overestimate their lower league players way too much. maybe I'm slightly off but I don't think by much. When I last played on NA and went from placement matches to Master I didn't hit any players who knew what they were doing until at least Gold league. Players who just build stuff for the sake of it, no actual game-plan involved. On Korea my first game against a Bronze-league player I won easily but he actually executed a marine-hellion-medivac play pretty well with good timing and everything. He knew what he was doing, he had a gameplan and a build order and practiced to execute it. He couldn't keep up after that though That's a huge difference, not only in mechanics but mostly in the thinking involved Starcraft is just so ingrained into their culture they just go about it differently. We play a game. They live a lifestyle Yeah. It's kind of awesome when you watch "The genius" and see guys that are 40+ 50+ year old know who is Yellow or Boxer. No one in my country would know any famous player even Elky is just unknown how many late teens/early 20s do you think know stephano?
uh ? My message wasn't published.
My answer was : If you don't count SC players/watchers. About none.
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
On March 02 2014 19:45 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 19:43 GumBa wrote:On March 02 2014 19:40 Yello wrote:On March 02 2014 19:35 Qwerty85 wrote:On March 02 2014 19:33 Yello wrote:On March 02 2014 19:32 GumBa wrote:On March 02 2014 19:31 Yello wrote:On March 02 2014 19:27 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 02 2014 19:26 robson1 wrote:On March 02 2014 19:26 Zealously wrote:
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That's a nice hyperbole you got there that move was bronze micro. Obviously it's not indicative of Squirtles general skill level. Bronze don't micro. They just mass carrier mothership (and kill you because you were like : "oh this guy is bad i'm going to Qaudruple expand) :p play against Bronze on Korean server. They actually do the builds pro players do. They execute them terribly and their decision making is awful but they have a real game-plan and understand that SC2 is not quite the same as Age of Empires So basically KR bronze is AM/EU GM? To give a serious answer for once: I'd say more like gold-league on EU/AM. Maybe Platin. That is a big exaggeration. KR is probably strongest in GM and master but people overestimate their lower league players way too much. maybe I'm slightly off but I don't think by much. When I last played on NA and went from placement matches to Master I didn't hit any players who knew what they were doing until at least Gold league. Players who just build stuff for the sake of it, no actual game-plan involved. On Korea my first game against a Bronze-league player I won easily but he actually executed a marine-hellion-medivac play pretty well with good timing and everything. He knew what he was doing, he had a gameplan and a build order and practiced to execute it. He couldn't keep up after that though That's a huge difference, not only in mechanics but mostly in the thinking involved Starcraft is just so ingrained into their culture they just go about it differently. We play a game. They live a lifestyle Yeah. It's kind of awesome when you watch "The genius" and see guys that are 40+ 50+ year old know who is Yellow or Boxer. No one in my country would know any famous player even Elky is just unknown
We live in the wrong country my friend :/
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On March 02 2014 19:43 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 19:39 robson1 wrote:On March 02 2014 19:37 FFW_Rude wrote:
MVP, Life, Nestea. On screen at the same time. I'm drooling why are people still obsessed with MVP and Nestea? I mean, I wish them all the best but both of them are confirmed Code B level. MVP sometimes shows his willpower and takes a game of someone who is 3 times as fast, but Nestea is barely good enough to beat up mid tier foreigners right now. Mvp 100% winrate in sc2 proleague
Lol. What a stat.
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i like what trap is doing. he really is a pvz specialist.
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On March 02 2014 19:46 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 19:45 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 02 2014 19:43 GumBa wrote:On March 02 2014 19:40 Yello wrote:On March 02 2014 19:35 Qwerty85 wrote:On March 02 2014 19:33 Yello wrote:On March 02 2014 19:32 GumBa wrote:On March 02 2014 19:31 Yello wrote:On March 02 2014 19:27 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 02 2014 19:26 robson1 wrote:
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that move was bronze micro. Obviously it's not indicative of Squirtles general skill level. Bronze don't micro. They just mass carrier mothership (and kill you because you were like : "oh this guy is bad i'm going to Qaudruple expand) :p play against Bronze on Korean server. They actually do the builds pro players do. They execute them terribly and their decision making is awful but they have a real game-plan and understand that SC2 is not quite the same as Age of Empires So basically KR bronze is AM/EU GM? To give a serious answer for once: I'd say more like gold-league on EU/AM. Maybe Platin. That is a big exaggeration. KR is probably strongest in GM and master but people overestimate their lower league players way too much. maybe I'm slightly off but I don't think by much. When I last played on NA and went from placement matches to Master I didn't hit any players who knew what they were doing until at least Gold league. Players who just build stuff for the sake of it, no actual game-plan involved. On Korea my first game against a Bronze-league player I won easily but he actually executed a marine-hellion-medivac play pretty well with good timing and everything. He knew what he was doing, he had a gameplan and a build order and practiced to execute it. He couldn't keep up after that though That's a huge difference, not only in mechanics but mostly in the thinking involved Starcraft is just so ingrained into their culture they just go about it differently. We play a game. They live a lifestyle Yeah. It's kind of awesome when you watch "The genius" and see guys that are 40+ 50+ year old know who is Yellow or Boxer. No one in my country would know any famous player even Elky is just unknown We live in the wrong country my friend :/
Well at least your country have talked about ESL... on national tv
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Huh, I don't understand why Trap isn't just killing him right now.
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On March 02 2014 19:42 robson1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 19:41 Qwerty85 wrote:On March 02 2014 19:39 robson1 wrote:On March 02 2014 19:37 FFW_Rude wrote:
MVP, Life, Nestea. On screen at the same time. I'm drooling why are people still obsessed with MVP and Nestea? I mean, I wish them all the best but both of them are confirmed Code B level. MVP sometimes shows his willpower and takes a game of someone who is 3 times as fast, but Nestea is barely good enough to beat up mid tier foreigners right now. Innovation and Flash are also "Code B level." lol.
I don't think Flash is better than Mvp tbh
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On March 02 2014 19:46 robson1 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 19:43 Dodgin wrote:On March 02 2014 19:39 robson1 wrote:On March 02 2014 19:37 FFW_Rude wrote:
MVP, Life, Nestea. On screen at the same time. I'm drooling why are people still obsessed with MVP and Nestea? I mean, I wish them all the best but both of them are confirmed Code B level. MVP sometimes shows his willpower and takes a game of someone who is 3 times as fast, but Nestea is barely good enough to beat up mid tier foreigners right now. Mvp 100% winrate in sc2 proleague Lol. What a stat.
Don't make fun of it. That's how David Kim balances TvP. Mvp 100% winrate in PL. 66.67& Terrans passed in ro32. Balanced. Some might even say overpowered.
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On March 02 2014 19:47 imrusty269 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 19:42 robson1 wrote:On March 02 2014 19:41 Qwerty85 wrote:On March 02 2014 19:39 robson1 wrote:On March 02 2014 19:37 FFW_Rude wrote:
MVP, Life, Nestea. On screen at the same time. I'm drooling why are people still obsessed with MVP and Nestea? I mean, I wish them all the best but both of them are confirmed Code B level. MVP sometimes shows his willpower and takes a game of someone who is 3 times as fast, but Nestea is barely good enough to beat up mid tier foreigners right now. Innovation and Flash are also "Code B level." lol. I don't think Flash is better than Mvp tbh
Do you have a sword ? Because i'm going to provoque you in a duel.... :p
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On March 02 2014 19:46 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 19:45 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 02 2014 19:43 GumBa wrote:On March 02 2014 19:40 Yello wrote:On March 02 2014 19:35 Qwerty85 wrote:On March 02 2014 19:33 Yello wrote:On March 02 2014 19:32 GumBa wrote:On March 02 2014 19:31 Yello wrote:On March 02 2014 19:27 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 02 2014 19:26 robson1 wrote:
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that move was bronze micro. Obviously it's not indicative of Squirtles general skill level. Bronze don't micro. They just mass carrier mothership (and kill you because you were like : "oh this guy is bad i'm going to Qaudruple expand) :p play against Bronze on Korean server. They actually do the builds pro players do. They execute them terribly and their decision making is awful but they have a real game-plan and understand that SC2 is not quite the same as Age of Empires So basically KR bronze is AM/EU GM? To give a serious answer for once: I'd say more like gold-league on EU/AM. Maybe Platin. That is a big exaggeration. KR is probably strongest in GM and master but people overestimate their lower league players way too much. maybe I'm slightly off but I don't think by much. When I last played on NA and went from placement matches to Master I didn't hit any players who knew what they were doing until at least Gold league. Players who just build stuff for the sake of it, no actual game-plan involved. On Korea my first game against a Bronze-league player I won easily but he actually executed a marine-hellion-medivac play pretty well with good timing and everything. He knew what he was doing, he had a gameplan and a build order and practiced to execute it. He couldn't keep up after that though That's a huge difference, not only in mechanics but mostly in the thinking involved Starcraft is just so ingrained into their culture they just go about it differently. We play a game. They live a lifestyle Yeah. It's kind of awesome when you watch "The genius" and see guys that are 40+ 50+ year old know who is Yellow or Boxer. No one in my country would know any famous player even Elky is just unknown We live in the wrong country my friend :/
well Germany is especially awful. Or maybe that's just my region here in the North of Germany. But nobody here knows much about SC2. People know that it exists but they only watch LoL or no Esports at all. Not even Dota or CS:GO.
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On March 02 2014 19:48 Yello wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 19:46 GumBa wrote:On March 02 2014 19:45 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 02 2014 19:43 GumBa wrote:On March 02 2014 19:40 Yello wrote:On March 02 2014 19:35 Qwerty85 wrote:On March 02 2014 19:33 Yello wrote:On March 02 2014 19:32 GumBa wrote:On March 02 2014 19:31 Yello wrote:On March 02 2014 19:27 FFW_Rude wrote:
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Bronze don't micro. They just mass carrier mothership (and kill you because you were like : "oh this guy is bad i'm going to Qaudruple expand) :p play against Bronze on Korean server. They actually do the builds pro players do. They execute them terribly and their decision making is awful but they have a real game-plan and understand that SC2 is not quite the same as Age of Empires So basically KR bronze is AM/EU GM? To give a serious answer for once: I'd say more like gold-league on EU/AM. Maybe Platin. That is a big exaggeration. KR is probably strongest in GM and master but people overestimate their lower league players way too much. maybe I'm slightly off but I don't think by much. When I last played on NA and went from placement matches to Master I didn't hit any players who knew what they were doing until at least Gold league. Players who just build stuff for the sake of it, no actual game-plan involved. On Korea my first game against a Bronze-league player I won easily but he actually executed a marine-hellion-medivac play pretty well with good timing and everything. He knew what he was doing, he had a gameplan and a build order and practiced to execute it. He couldn't keep up after that though That's a huge difference, not only in mechanics but mostly in the thinking involved Starcraft is just so ingrained into their culture they just go about it differently. We play a game. They live a lifestyle Yeah. It's kind of awesome when you watch "The genius" and see guys that are 40+ 50+ year old know who is Yellow or Boxer. No one in my country would know any famous player even Elky is just unknown We live in the wrong country my friend :/ well Germany is especially awful. Or maybe that's just my region here in the North of Germany. But nobody here knows much about SC2. People know that it exists but they only watch LoL or no Esports at all. Not even Dota or CS:GO.
Well in France no one knows even LoL... So...
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
On March 02 2014 19:47 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 19:46 GumBa wrote:On March 02 2014 19:45 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 02 2014 19:43 GumBa wrote:On March 02 2014 19:40 Yello wrote:On March 02 2014 19:35 Qwerty85 wrote:On March 02 2014 19:33 Yello wrote:On March 02 2014 19:32 GumBa wrote:On March 02 2014 19:31 Yello wrote:On March 02 2014 19:27 FFW_Rude wrote:
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Bronze don't micro. They just mass carrier mothership (and kill you because you were like : "oh this guy is bad i'm going to Qaudruple expand) :p play against Bronze on Korean server. They actually do the builds pro players do. They execute them terribly and their decision making is awful but they have a real game-plan and understand that SC2 is not quite the same as Age of Empires So basically KR bronze is AM/EU GM? To give a serious answer for once: I'd say more like gold-league on EU/AM. Maybe Platin. That is a big exaggeration. KR is probably strongest in GM and master but people overestimate their lower league players way too much. maybe I'm slightly off but I don't think by much. When I last played on NA and went from placement matches to Master I didn't hit any players who knew what they were doing until at least Gold league. Players who just build stuff for the sake of it, no actual game-plan involved. On Korea my first game against a Bronze-league player I won easily but he actually executed a marine-hellion-medivac play pretty well with good timing and everything. He knew what he was doing, he had a gameplan and a build order and practiced to execute it. He couldn't keep up after that though That's a huge difference, not only in mechanics but mostly in the thinking involved Starcraft is just so ingrained into their culture they just go about it differently. We play a game. They live a lifestyle Yeah. It's kind of awesome when you watch "The genius" and see guys that are 40+ 50+ year old know who is Yellow or Boxer. No one in my country would know any famous player even Elky is just unknown We live in the wrong country my friend :/ Well at least your country have talked about ESL... on national tv
Yeah german esports is quite good. Just wish the crowds were more passionate then it would be perfect
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On March 02 2014 19:47 imrusty269 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 19:42 robson1 wrote:On March 02 2014 19:41 Qwerty85 wrote:On March 02 2014 19:39 robson1 wrote:On March 02 2014 19:37 FFW_Rude wrote:
MVP, Life, Nestea. On screen at the same time. I'm drooling why are people still obsessed with MVP and Nestea? I mean, I wish them all the best but both of them are confirmed Code B level. MVP sometimes shows his willpower and takes a game of someone who is 3 times as fast, but Nestea is barely good enough to beat up mid tier foreigners right now. Innovation and Flash are also "Code B level." lol. I don't think Flash is better than Mvp tbh
Because you have no clue.
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opterown
Australia54785 Posts
On March 02 2014 19:48 Yello wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2014 19:46 GumBa wrote:On March 02 2014 19:45 FFW_Rude wrote:On March 02 2014 19:43 GumBa wrote:On March 02 2014 19:40 Yello wrote:On March 02 2014 19:35 Qwerty85 wrote:On March 02 2014 19:33 Yello wrote:On March 02 2014 19:32 GumBa wrote:On March 02 2014 19:31 Yello wrote:On March 02 2014 19:27 FFW_Rude wrote:
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Bronze don't micro. They just mass carrier mothership (and kill you because you were like : "oh this guy is bad i'm going to Qaudruple expand) :p play against Bronze on Korean server. They actually do the builds pro players do. They execute them terribly and their decision making is awful but they have a real game-plan and understand that SC2 is not quite the same as Age of Empires So basically KR bronze is AM/EU GM? To give a serious answer for once: I'd say more like gold-league on EU/AM. Maybe Platin. That is a big exaggeration. KR is probably strongest in GM and master but people overestimate their lower league players way too much. maybe I'm slightly off but I don't think by much. When I last played on NA and went from placement matches to Master I didn't hit any players who knew what they were doing until at least Gold league. Players who just build stuff for the sake of it, no actual game-plan involved. On Korea my first game against a Bronze-league player I won easily but he actually executed a marine-hellion-medivac play pretty well with good timing and everything. He knew what he was doing, he had a gameplan and a build order and practiced to execute it. He couldn't keep up after that though That's a huge difference, not only in mechanics but mostly in the thinking involved Starcraft is just so ingrained into their culture they just go about it differently. We play a game. They live a lifestyle Yeah. It's kind of awesome when you watch "The genius" and see guys that are 40+ 50+ year old know who is Yellow or Boxer. No one in my country would know any famous player even Elky is just unknown We live in the wrong country my friend :/ well Germany is especially awful. Or maybe that's just my region here in the North of Germany. But nobody here knows much about SC2. People know that it exists but they only watch LoL or no Esports at all. Not even Dota or CS:GO.
ESL is holding some big dota tournament in one of your world cup stadiums in june i think, hopefully will be big
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