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Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
February 16 2014 00:46 GMT
#141
In that case she has better consistency than any other NA players, since none of them ever produce any results against high level competition. The losses today were bad, no two ways about it, she could have won every single game she lost, a combination of disastrous engagements and BO losses that can happen to anyone.

I mean really, what are we looking for here? She won the last MLG thingy, is the only NA player who does anything worth remembering on the big stage. Congrats to NA players for being good in an NA tournament, but until we see other NA pros taking down Maru/MC/Bomber/Life/Dream etc, I'm not really that impressed.
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mYiKane
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1772 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-16 00:47:02
February 16 2014 00:46 GMT
#142
On February 16 2014 09:46 Squat wrote:
In that case she has better consistency than any other NA players, since none of them ever produce any results against high level competition. The losses today were bad, no two ways about it, she could have won every single game she lost, a combination of disastrous engagements and BO losses that can happen to anyone.

I mean really, what are we looking for here? She won the last MLG thingy, is the only NA player who does anything worth remembering on the big stage. Congrats to NA players for being good in an NA tournament, but until we see other NA pros taking down Maru/MC/Bomber/Life/Dream etc, I'm not really that impressed.


i'm so sad i can't impress you you really matter to me
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
February 16 2014 00:47 GMT
#143
On February 16 2014 09:46 mYiKane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 09:46 Squat wrote:
In that case she has better consistency than any other NA players, since none of them ever produce any results against high level competition. The losses today were bad, no two ways about it, she could have won every single game she lost, a combination of disastrous engagements and BO losses that can happen to anyone.

I mean really, what are we looking for here? She won the last MLG thingy, is the only NA player who does anything worth remembering on the big stage. Congrats to NA players for being good in an NA tournament, but until we see other NA pros taking down Maru/MC/Bomber/Life/Dream etc, I'm not really that impressed.


i'm so sad i can't impress you you really matter to me


You impress me. Almost as much as Nerchio.
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xtorn
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
4066 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-16 01:42:00
February 16 2014 00:47 GMT
#144
On February 16 2014 09:42 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 09:39 Squat wrote:
On February 16 2014 09:33 stuchiu wrote:
On February 16 2014 09:32 Squat wrote:
On February 16 2014 09:27 stuchiu wrote:
On February 16 2014 09:24 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
So Kane confirmed for best NA zerg?


I think I said in the last thread that Major and Kane were both players who could beat Scarlett and were comparable. Happy to see them do it.

Sc2 is highly volatile, anyone can beat anyone in a Bo3 at the pro level, of course those players can and do beat her. Consistency is what matters in a game like this, what you do over a year, or two.


Consistency is a rare quality to find in most players.

Well yes, that's why it's the metric we use. She'll drop out of this tournament after some uninspired play and some pretty big mistakes, and that will bring out the imbeciles who think this means she is no longer a good player and yaddah yaddah. This does not change the fact that no other NA player has done jack shit on the international scene against Koreans in all of HotS.

People in this game really overvalue a bad tournament performance. She lost in bad fashion to Kane today. How many big tournament results does Kane have? Consistency is the only reliable indicator of ability.


But does Scarlett really have consistency? After going 4-0 against major last MLG she loses 2-1 here and then loses to Kane. I would say scarlett's play actuallly varies more than most players. Sometimes she's the best foreigner, other times she loses to Hitman and Incontrol. I don't know, maybe I'm being overly critical and bitter. I just hate to see my favorite player lose like that :/



She did not lose the match to IncontroL, just one game. She won the match.

Yes she is solid and extremely consistent, she worked a LOT and got where she is with both wins and losses. She is hardworking and has shown incredible adaptation to everyone's game and brilliant tactics, flawless macro, this is a minor setback and changes absolutely NOTHING as her status of a world class zerg player.

If anything, this shows how much Kane has worked to get to the level where Scarlett already was.

and btw rooting for Hendralisk gogo! although State is seriously tough.
<3 things - Life | Kane | Innovation | Scarlett | Solar | MMA
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-16 00:50:58
February 16 2014 00:48 GMT
#145
Kane accounts for 1/4 of Scarlett's lost BoX against NA so maybe he's just someone that matches up well with her
it's not like he's some scrub. He's still a pretty good player and has improved a lot since joining myi

he's tied for her 3rd greatest nemesis
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Penguinator
Profile Joined December 2010
United States837 Posts
February 16 2014 00:50 GMT
#146
On February 16 2014 09:46 mYiKane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 09:46 Squat wrote:
In that case she has better consistency than any other NA players, since none of them ever produce any results against high level competition. The losses today were bad, no two ways about it, she could have won every single game she lost, a combination of disastrous engagements and BO losses that can happen to anyone.

I mean really, what are we looking for here? She won the last MLG thingy, is the only NA player who does anything worth remembering on the big stage. Congrats to NA players for being good in an NA tournament, but until we see other NA pros taking down Maru/MC/Bomber/Life/Dream etc, I'm not really that impressed.


i'm so sad i can't impress you you really matter to me


God damnit I love you Kane xD
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Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
February 16 2014 00:50 GMT
#147
On February 16 2014 09:46 mYiKane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 09:46 Squat wrote:
In that case she has better consistency than any other NA players, since none of them ever produce any results against high level competition. The losses today were bad, no two ways about it, she could have won every single game she lost, a combination of disastrous engagements and BO losses that can happen to anyone.

I mean really, what are we looking for here? She won the last MLG thingy, is the only NA player who does anything worth remembering on the big stage. Congrats to NA players for being good in an NA tournament, but until we see other NA pros taking down Maru/MC/Bomber/Life/Dream etc, I'm not really that impressed.


i'm so sad i can't impress you you really matter to me

I actually like you, and think you're one of the better NA players. I just have a hard time feeling that this tournament somehow makes or brakes a player. If we want to know how good someone is, we have to look at how they do against top tier competition over an extended period of time, no?
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Major
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Mexico539 Posts
February 16 2014 00:50 GMT
#148
On February 16 2014 09:46 Squat wrote:
In that case she has better consistency than any other NA players, since none of them ever produce any results against high level competition. The losses today were bad, no two ways about it, she could have won every single game she lost, a combination of disastrous engagements and BO losses that can happen to anyone.

I mean really, what are we looking for here? She won the last MLG thingy, is the only NA player who does anything worth remembering on the big stage. Congrats to NA players for being good in an NA tournament, but until we see other NA pros taking down Maru/MC/Bomber/Life/Dream etc, I'm not really that impressed.

dunno i beat taeja ryung bbyong and many others just ppl bad memory u just a hater scarlett is gosu so is kane why u gotta hate.
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
February 16 2014 00:53 GMT
#149
Sorry guys, I know Scarlett is probably the best NA. I expect too much I guess, you can't win them all. I just had her in my mind as a lock for at least the finals of this. It makes me a litle depressed to see her lose like that

Good job from Kane though. He player really well today. I'll be cheering for him for the rest of the tourney.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 16 2014 00:54 GMT
#150
On February 16 2014 09:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Sorry guys, I know Scarlett is probably the best NA. I expect too much I guess, you can't win them all. I just had her in my mind as a lock for at least the finals of this. It makes me a litle depressed to see her lose like that

Good job from Kane though. He player really well today. I'll be cheering for him for the rest of the tourney.

well he better watch out for MajOr because he's Kane's biggest in game nemesis D:
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Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
February 16 2014 00:56 GMT
#151
On February 16 2014 09:50 MajOr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 09:46 Squat wrote:
In that case she has better consistency than any other NA players, since none of them ever produce any results against high level competition. The losses today were bad, no two ways about it, she could have won every single game she lost, a combination of disastrous engagements and BO losses that can happen to anyone.

I mean really, what are we looking for here? She won the last MLG thingy, is the only NA player who does anything worth remembering on the big stage. Congrats to NA players for being good in an NA tournament, but until we see other NA pros taking down Maru/MC/Bomber/Life/Dream etc, I'm not really that impressed.

dunno i beat taeja ryung bbyong and many others just ppl bad memory u just a hater scarlett is gosu so is kane why u gotta hate.

I've never hated on you or Kane, I'm just saying this is a pretty brutal overreaction. You are definitely the best terran outside Korea atm, and that was a good win.

I don't know, I just can't be this fatalistic about one single online tournament. Is Taeja suddenly not the best terran because he lost badly in some tournament once?
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Major
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Mexico539 Posts
February 16 2014 00:59 GMT
#152
On February 16 2014 09:56 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 09:50 MajOr wrote:
On February 16 2014 09:46 Squat wrote:
In that case she has better consistency than any other NA players, since none of them ever produce any results against high level competition. The losses today were bad, no two ways about it, she could have won every single game she lost, a combination of disastrous engagements and BO losses that can happen to anyone.

I mean really, what are we looking for here? She won the last MLG thingy, is the only NA player who does anything worth remembering on the big stage. Congrats to NA players for being good in an NA tournament, but until we see other NA pros taking down Maru/MC/Bomber/Life/Dream etc, I'm not really that impressed.

dunno i beat taeja ryung bbyong and many others just ppl bad memory u just a hater scarlett is gosu so is kane why u gotta hate.

I've never hated on you or Kane, I'm just saying this is a pretty brutal overreaction. You are definitely the best terran outside Korea atm, and that was a good win.

I don't know, I just can't be this fatalistic about one single online tournament. Is Taeja suddenly not the best terran because he lost badly in some tournament once?

ofcourse not. but im tired of ppl just making all kind of excuses when a player that not supposed to win. wins a game happesn to me EVERYGAMe every single 1 i always get some sort of ye that was luck, meh lag ,meh w.e ppl dont realize it makes ppl dont really want to interact with fans/play because of shit like this.
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iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
February 16 2014 01:01 GMT
#153
Fuck I missed henry vs state g1
how it go?
Unbiased biased terran abuser Jeffrey. Sorry for the rage, friend!
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
February 16 2014 01:01 GMT
#154
On February 16 2014 09:54 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 09:53 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Sorry guys, I know Scarlett is probably the best NA. I expect too much I guess, you can't win them all. I just had her in my mind as a lock for at least the finals of this. It makes me a litle depressed to see her lose like that

Good job from Kane though. He player really well today. I'll be cheering for him for the rest of the tourney.

well he better watch out for MajOr because he's Kane's biggest in game nemesis D:
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Well, I'm still hoping. If Scarlett can 4-0 him so can Kane I guess.
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mYiKane
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1772 Posts
February 16 2014 01:01 GMT
#155
On February 16 2014 09:50 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 09:46 mYiKane wrote:
On February 16 2014 09:46 Squat wrote:
In that case she has better consistency than any other NA players, since none of them ever produce any results against high level competition. The losses today were bad, no two ways about it, she could have won every single game she lost, a combination of disastrous engagements and BO losses that can happen to anyone.

I mean really, what are we looking for here? She won the last MLG thingy, is the only NA player who does anything worth remembering on the big stage. Congrats to NA players for being good in an NA tournament, but until we see other NA pros taking down Maru/MC/Bomber/Life/Dream etc, I'm not really that impressed.


i'm so sad i can't impress you you really matter to me

I actually like you, and think you're one of the better NA players. I just have a hard time feeling that this tournament somehow makes or brakes a player. If we want to know how good someone is, we have to look at how they do against top tier competition over an extended period of time, no?


i agree, consistency does matter a lot.
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-16 01:03:46
February 16 2014 01:03 GMT
#156

ofcourse not. but im tired of ppl just making all kind of excuses when a player that not supposed to win. wins a game happesn to me EVERYGAMe every single 1 i always get some sort of ye that was luck, meh lag ,meh w.e ppl dont realize it makes ppl dont really want to interact with fans/play because of shit like this.

I didn't see any luck in your games if that's what you mean. I was talking specifically about people saying Scarlett is no longer one of the best NA players because she had a bad day.

Everyone has bad losses, shit happens. That does not invalidate all previous accomplishments.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-16 01:05:00
February 16 2014 01:04 GMT
#157
On February 16 2014 09:50 MajOr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 09:46 Squat wrote:
In that case she has better consistency than any other NA players, since none of them ever produce any results against high level competition. The losses today were bad, no two ways about it, she could have won every single game she lost, a combination of disastrous engagements and BO losses that can happen to anyone.

I mean really, what are we looking for here? She won the last MLG thingy, is the only NA player who does anything worth remembering on the big stage. Congrats to NA players for being good in an NA tournament, but until we see other NA pros taking down Maru/MC/Bomber/Life/Dream etc, I'm not really that impressed.

dunno i beat taeja ryung bbyong and many others just ppl bad memory u just a hater scarlett is gosu so is kane why u gotta hate.

that HSM dodge with the medic boost.

you dirty dog.


also in the kane discussion - he needs to stream. i used to love his stream. when he was just grinding on NA, man. He was so fun to watch. Just BM and sarcastic enough to make it a great watch
Unbiased biased terran abuser Jeffrey. Sorry for the rage, friend!
Major
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Mexico539 Posts
February 16 2014 01:09 GMT
#158
On February 16 2014 10:03 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +

ofcourse not. but im tired of ppl just making all kind of excuses when a player that not supposed to win. wins a game happesn to me EVERYGAMe every single 1 i always get some sort of ye that was luck, meh lag ,meh w.e ppl dont realize it makes ppl dont really want to interact with fans/play because of shit like this.

I didn't see any luck in your games if that's what you mean. I was talking specifically about people saying Scarlett is no longer one of the best NA players because she had a bad day.

Everyone has bad losses, shit happens. That does not invalidate all previous accomplishments.

shes the best NA player. but theres 5-6 players on NA that are relativly close on skill so ofcourse she can lose.
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Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
February 16 2014 01:09 GMT
#159
On February 16 2014 10:09 MajOr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 10:03 Squat wrote:

ofcourse not. but im tired of ppl just making all kind of excuses when a player that not supposed to win. wins a game happesn to me EVERYGAMe every single 1 i always get some sort of ye that was luck, meh lag ,meh w.e ppl dont realize it makes ppl dont really want to interact with fans/play because of shit like this.

I didn't see any luck in your games if that's what you mean. I was talking specifically about people saying Scarlett is no longer one of the best NA players because she had a bad day.

Everyone has bad losses, shit happens. That does not invalidate all previous accomplishments.

shes the best NA player. but theres 5-6 players on NA that are relativly close on skill so ofcourse she can lose.

Which was exactly my point all along.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
February 16 2014 01:10 GMT
#160
Shit, henhen you were so ready. That warp prism maaaaaaaaaan!
Unbiased biased terran abuser Jeffrey. Sorry for the rage, friend!
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