EPTSHOUTcraft Clan Wars - Official thread - Page 54
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ClueClueClue
Sweden1203 Posts
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NovaMB
Germany9534 Posts
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Waise
3165 Posts
On March 24 2014 03:17 ManniBender wrote: You can't watch it with AdBlock, seriously what did I expect from MLG lol. while i hate ads and i do usually avoid disabling adblock unless there's no other option (i ended up doing it for shoutcraft because i just wanted to watch the games badly enough), you can't really fault an organization for doing what it can to bring in revenue. if you're not willing to watch the games, you don't have to. acting as if denying adblock is some kind of abusive, money-hungry play just shows a lack of knowledge about providing this sort of content | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On March 24 2014 03:28 NovaMB wrote: I think the winrate of Koreans vs. foreigners has to be adjusted now Yurop and NA are OP. ^^ Really looking forward to Clan Who? vs the Korean teams in the near future. ^^ | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On March 24 2014 03:17 ManniBender wrote: You can't watch it with AdBlock, seriously what did I expect from MLG lol. How DARE they try and stop users from ripping them off! What a bunch of fucking animals! Every site on the internet should be doing the same thing. Users flagrantly and irresponsibly addblock en-masse, then have the nerve to claim its for "security" or that they're "exercising their consumer rights". Yeah, if you were doing it properly you would be, using it on sites you don't trust, but most people just blanket it on every site they visit. It costs every site money when you do it, it fucks over SC2 particularly badly because so many tournaments rely on that ad revenue, not to mention the costs associated with producing SC2 tournaments are high. MLG pays for every megabyte of that bandwidth you suck up by watching HD video, the reason they do it is because they can try and make that money back via ads, which they can't do if you just adblock (and then have the audacity to whine that you can't watch). It's like complaining to the cable company that your dodgy pirate cable box isn't working. If people were reasonable with Adblock we wouldnt need this kind of stuff, but they aren't, so we do. Adblock rates on gaming video content can soar as high as 70%, yup, that means that organisations are only making 30% of what they should be making when they run in-stream ads. That applies to streamers as well. We're at the point where no pro-player can stream for revenue and actually pay the rent anymore, they need to ask for donations or drive paid subscriptions. So when you go to this forum to complain about how awful these companies are for daring to suggest that you can't have their content for free without paying your dues in ad views, consider that when you adblock a stream like this you are ripping off MLG and you're ripping off me. If you wanna do that, so be it, but personally I reserve the right to treat you as a non-viewer at that point. You don't get to adblock the content and then bitch about it, that's obnoxious as hell. Adblock responsibly or dont' do it at all. Ads are annoying, but I imagine what would be more annoying is a lack of event and Clan Wars would not exist without the MLG platform for you to even complain about in the first place. I'm very fortunate that my audience is large enough to where I don't have to worry too much about money, but when I think about all the smaller streamers, organisations and YT channels who suffer as a result of Adblock, then see people who have the audacity to wave it around like a badge of honour, well that makes my blood boil. | ||
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Green_25
Great Britain696 Posts
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NovaMB
Germany9534 Posts
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On March 24 2014 03:46 Green_25 wrote: I've literally never used adblock, never understood why you'd screw the people who are giving you what is still essentially free entertainment There are shady sites out there whose ads sometimes make sounds, pop out, do all kinds of nasty annoying shit, perhaps even exploit certain security loopholes or are just unpleasant to look at in general (porn and such). Some sites are filled with them and don't give a shit, and others still might just have some of these slip through the net every once in a while. In those circumstances it's quite hard to argue *against* adblock. But that's where that ends, and "using it responsibly" comes into play. What is using it reasonably then? Choosing who to give ad revenue to, which is generally gonna be sites and services whose content you enjoy, places like TeamLiquid, YouTube, Twitch, Justin.tv, MLG etc. Of course there are people who report some odd happenings on both Twitch and the MLG player, specifically ads playing when they shouldn't, like right in the middle of the action during a broadcast match, and that's where things start to get a little tricky. But ManniBender in particular is clearly in the wrong here lol, no question about that. xD | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On March 24 2014 03:46 Green_25 wrote: I've literally never used adblock, never understood why you'd screw the people who are giving you what is still essentially free entertainment There's 3 types of adblockers. 1) The responsible adblocker who adblocks sites he doesn't trust for security concerns and whitelists everything he watches on a regular basis. This guy is cool and should not be condemned for his actions. 2) The asshole adblocker. He adblocks everything and then brags about it on the internet. Probably owns a Guy Fawkes mask, thinks he is a revolutionary. 3) The deluded adblocker. Same as above but makes excuses like "consumer choice" and "security" while adblocking every site, including those who have proven trustworthy and reasonable. I'm trying to figure out if I prefer 2 or 3, I think at least with 2 he's being honest so I gotta respect that a bit more. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23580 Posts
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On March 24 2014 04:19 Musicus wrote: Mouz mouz mouz, always scary in clan wars, looking forward to their ATC performance .Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they looked even stronger during ATC3 than in previous events. Hell with the way things are looking right now, if they keep this up they would likely make the playoffs too. I mean yeah, LucifroN was really good, on-form he was absolutely amazing, definitely someone who benefits from the all-kill format as well, but right now we're looking at Dear (a player arguably just as good if not better, filling his shoes), an in-form Vortix who's always shown to be very strong, a much improved HeRoMaRinE, also a much-improved HasuObs. That, plus the recent addition of Starbuck makes Mouz' line-up look pretty sick right now. If only they could keep this form for a while. ^^ | ||
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Ferisii
Denmark199 Posts
If that's the case, I've recently updated my old Map Thread with the newest version, which includes a 90 degree overview shot. | ||
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FuRRie
Belgium815 Posts
On March 24 2014 03:40 TotalBiscuit wrote: How DARE they try and stop users from ripping them off! What a bunch of fucking animals! *snip* You are deffo correct TB, but certain events are becoming ads with a game in between instead of games with an ad in between. | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On March 24 2014 07:19 FuRRie wrote: You are deffo correct TB, but certain events are becoming ads with a game in between instead of games with an ad in between. I don't disagree. Organizers are responsible for keeping the ad to content ratio reasonable or suffer the decline that TV is facing now. | ||
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On March 24 2014 08:13 nkr wrote: Hell, even GSL plays ads in the middle of tastosis pre-game banter :/ makes me want to adblock them I'd say almost all of that are errors. I never run ads during actual content, only during breaks, but sometimes we've had some bugs on MLG.tv that have caused ads to trigger hwen I didn't ask them to. That's highest priority for fixing imho. There's nothing more annoying than that. | ||
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SinCitta
Germany2127 Posts
On March 24 2014 03:54 TotalBiscuit wrote: There's 3 types of adblockers. 1) The responsible adblocker who adblocks sites he doesn't trust for security concerns and whitelists everything he watches on a regular basis. This guy is cool and should not be condemned for his actions. 2) The asshole adblocker. He adblocks everything and then brags about it on the internet. Probably owns a Guy Fawkes mask, thinks he is a revolutionary. 3) The deluded adblocker. Same as above but makes excuses like "consumer choice" and "security" while adblocking every site, including those who have proven trustworthy and reasonable. I'm trying to figure out if I prefer 2 or 3, I think at least with 2 he's being honest so I gotta respect that a bit more. To be honest, I think 4) Has adblock on and doesn't think twice about it is the largest chunk. I wonder if a central esports/gaming whitelist for adblock would find appeal. It's easier to say to subscribe to this whitelist than individually whitelist all eSports sites manually. This would only work if there is an acceptable ads policy and a discussion about it, though. | ||
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Waise
3165 Posts
On March 24 2014 03:54 TotalBiscuit wrote: There's 3 types of adblockers. 1) The responsible adblocker who adblocks sites he doesn't trust for security concerns and whitelists everything he watches on a regular basis. This guy is cool and should not be condemned for his actions. 2) The asshole adblocker. He adblocks everything and then brags about it on the internet. Probably owns a Guy Fawkes mask, thinks he is a revolutionary. 3) The deluded adblocker. Same as above but makes excuses like "consumer choice" and "security" while adblocking every site, including those who have proven trustworthy and reasonable. I'm trying to figure out if I prefer 2 or 3, I think at least with 2 he's being honest so I gotta respect that a bit more. i'm #3 other than the fact that there's nothing deluded about me. just because a site is "legitimate," that doesn't mean i owe them anything. just because someone provides free content, that doesn't mean i owe them anything. is adblock illegal? no. so if i run adblock and that decreases your revenue? sorry, you took that risk and it's not my problem. now the difference is i'm reasonable about the motives behind a company trying to subvert adblock. they want to run ads so they can make money so they can continue to provide the content. that's fine. i don't whine that they do what they do. but i'll still do everything i can to beat them. in the case of shoutcraft, they (you) beat me. i want the games more than i want to avoid ads. so good on them, they won this round. that's pretty much how marketing works. i have no illusion that they respect me, nor they that i respect them it's a vicious market. people on their computers, on the internet, want free content, and they'll do what they can to get it. if MLG died because i didn't load their ads, i frankly wouldn't care. it's just gaming and i would find something else to do. but i try not to be needlessly smug about it or try to take some kind of moral high ground, because i have a brain and i can work out why an org like MLG would want to do what they can to run ads long story short, people who brag and cockwave over adblocking are dumb, but they're just as dumb as people who act as if running adblock on a computer game stream is "theft" and morally wrong. don't like it? well, this is capitalism. consumers are at war with content providers. for-profit organizations would do (and absolutely are doing) much worse than running adblock to exploit consumers. | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On March 24 2014 05:23 Ferisii wrote: Only map lacking a liquidpedia article is New Pompeii. Is that due to its old overview is shot at a different angle thus not fitting in proper? If that's the case, I've recently updated my old Map Thread with the newest version, which includes a 90 degree overview shot. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/New_Pompeii Feel free to fix anything you see wrong or if you want to add a description | ||
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