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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-30 18:02:14
January 30 2014 18:01 GMT
#821
On January 31 2014 02:59 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2014 02:58 Darkhoarse wrote:
On January 31 2014 02:57 Vindicare605 wrote:
On January 31 2014 02:49 lannisport wrote:
It's so disheartening to be a foreigner fan. Except if you're a Naniwa/Scarlett one.


I'm curious, why would anyone just be a "foreigner" fan?

I mean I get it if your favorite player HAPPENS to be a foreigner but why cheer for foreigners to win just because they aren't Korean? I don't get that. I don't think I ever will.

Everyone likes a good underdog story.


"Everyone"

Everyone. Deep down. Sometimes very deep down.

That's not to say that everyone always cheers for the underdog of course that is not what I meant.
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NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
January 30 2014 18:02 GMT
#822
Go shakti!
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 30 2014 18:02 GMT
#823
On January 31 2014 03:00 Exarl25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2014 02:59 Squat wrote:
On January 31 2014 02:53 Xoronius wrote:
On January 31 2014 02:51 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On January 31 2014 02:49 lannisport wrote:
It's so disheartening to be a foreigner fan. Except if you're a Naniwa/Scarlett one.

Who wants to be a Naniwa fan really? The only reason i can think of is an incredible amount of hate for korean players and Scarlett. (like there is no other left to cheer for)

Could be his gameplay for example. There are still some people out there, who value gameplay while selecting their favorite in a gaming tournament. Sounds absurd, does´nt it?

Don't be silly, Naniwa is as much a marketed personality as any streaming ladder hero, only he has taken the role of heel rather than hero. There is a reason people talk as much or more about his twitter bullshit wars than about his games. Innovation is a player you root for if you like results and good play but don't care about personality.


It isn't usually the Naniwa fans who are constantly harping on about all the drama surrounding him...


I dunno about that. Naniwa fans bitched for weeks after Zealousy did that Naniwa article for Blizzcon. And then in the Blizzcon video interview with Naniwa he said word for word exactly what Zealousy wrote.
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lannisport
Profile Joined February 2012
878 Posts
January 30 2014 18:02 GMT
#824
On January 31 2014 02:57 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2014 02:49 lannisport wrote:
It's so disheartening to be a foreigner fan. Except if you're a Naniwa/Scarlett one.


I'm curious, why would anyone just be a "foreigner" fan?

I mean I get it if your favorite player HAPPENS to be a foreigner but why cheer for foreigners to win just because they aren't Korean? I don't get that. I don't think I ever will.


If I had to guess it's because foreigners are easily more likeable and relatable. Most foreigners who stream also interact with their chat. Lastly, it's definitely the underdog thing. My favourite players are Life, Jaedong, Scarlett, Soulkey, but I find myself cheering for the underdog now and then.
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
January 30 2014 18:03 GMT
#825
On January 31 2014 02:59 Squat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2014 02:53 Xoronius wrote:
On January 31 2014 02:51 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On January 31 2014 02:49 lannisport wrote:
It's so disheartening to be a foreigner fan. Except if you're a Naniwa/Scarlett one.

Who wants to be a Naniwa fan really? The only reason i can think of is an incredible amount of hate for korean players and Scarlett. (like there is no other left to cheer for)

Could be his gameplay for example. There are still some people out there, who value gameplay while selecting their favorite in a gaming tournament. Sounds absurd, does´nt it?

Don't be silly, Naniwa is as much a marketed personality as any streaming ladder hero, only he has taken the role of heel rather than hero. There is a reason people talk as much or more about his twitter bullshit wars than about his games. Innovation is a player you root for if you like results and good play but don't care about personality.

You can´t just mark the fanbase of the player as one-dimensional just because that is the way you see him. Yes, he is involved in a lot of stuff. That does´nt change the fact, that he shows entertaining games since 2010 and gained quite some fans because of that in the last 4 years.
gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
January 30 2014 18:04 GMT
#826
On January 31 2014 01:29 ItzShakti wrote:
This shakti guy is really bad.
[...]

Prove us otherwise mate!
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17750 Posts
January 30 2014 18:04 GMT
#827
sorry I'm late lol
here's what WCS Predictor says
+ Show Spoiler [Match between MC, TLO, hellokitty, Sha…] +

- MC is at ~ 42.78 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1
~ 89.85 % of the time MC wins and their chances go up to ~ 45.25 %.
~ 10.15 % of the time MC loses and their chances go down to ~ 20.99 %.
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- TLO is at ~ 21.40 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1
~ 81.78 % of the time TLO wins and their chances go up to ~ 23.92 %.
~ 18.22 % of the time TLO loses and their chances go down to ~ 10.09 %.
-------------------------------------------------
- hellokitty is at ~ 0.00 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1
~ 21.79 % of the time hellokitty wins and their chances go up to ~ 0.02 %.
~ 78.21 % of the time hellokitty loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.00 %.
-------------------------------------------------
- Shakti is at ~ 0.00 %% chances for top 16 points of Season 1
~ 6.59 % of the time Shakti wins and their chances go up to ~ 0.01 %.
~ 93.41 % of the time Shakti loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.00 %.

"Expert" mods4ever.com
ivancype
Profile Joined December 2012
Brazil485 Posts
January 30 2014 18:04 GMT
#828
Shakti and the Brazilian meta game...
The other race is OP
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-30 18:05:32
January 30 2014 18:04 GMT
#829
On January 31 2014 03:00 Exarl25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2014 02:59 Squat wrote:
On January 31 2014 02:53 Xoronius wrote:
On January 31 2014 02:51 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On January 31 2014 02:49 lannisport wrote:
It's so disheartening to be a foreigner fan. Except if you're a Naniwa/Scarlett one.

Who wants to be a Naniwa fan really? The only reason i can think of is an incredible amount of hate for korean players and Scarlett. (like there is no other left to cheer for)

Could be his gameplay for example. There are still some people out there, who value gameplay while selecting their favorite in a gaming tournament. Sounds absurd, does´nt it?

Don't be silly, Naniwa is as much a marketed personality as any streaming ladder hero, only he has taken the role of heel rather than hero. There is a reason people talk as much or more about his twitter bullshit wars than about his games. Innovation is a player you root for if you like results and good play but don't care about personality.


It isn't usually the Naniwa fans who are constantly harping on about all the drama surrounding him...

"Fans" in a loose sense here, I'm fairly sure a fair amount of people who follow Naniwa do it for the drama and the bullshit. You may be someone who is a fan of him purely because of his play, but I'm reasonably sure you are a minority.

Every time he pulls some new stunt or does well in a tournament the entire conversation is a pissing contest between people who dislike his style and those who find his abrasive attitude attractive. His play is rarely, if ever, brought up. He is as much a personality as Incontrol, only he is still really good at SC2.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-30 18:09:09
January 30 2014 18:06 GMT
#830
On January 31 2014 03:02 lannisport wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2014 02:57 Vindicare605 wrote:
On January 31 2014 02:49 lannisport wrote:
It's so disheartening to be a foreigner fan. Except if you're a Naniwa/Scarlett one.


I'm curious, why would anyone just be a "foreigner" fan?

I mean I get it if your favorite player HAPPENS to be a foreigner but why cheer for foreigners to win just because they aren't Korean? I don't get that. I don't think I ever will.


If I had to guess it's because foreigners are easily more likeable and relatable. Most foreigners who stream also interact with their chat. Lastly, it's definitely the underdog thing. My favourite players are Life, Jaedong, Scarlett, Soulkey, but I find myself cheering for the underdog now and then.


Bolded is very debatable.

I mean I love Grubby exactly for the reasons you just mentioned, but I don't have any attachment to other foreign players just because I happen to like Grubby.

Most of my favorite streamers are Koreans. Crank and Polt in particular are every bit as interactive with their chat as any of the foreigner streams that I watch.

So using that as the catch all reason is a bit disingenuous. My reason for liking players as much as I do is for their gameplay above everything else, the personality and interactivity with their stream is just a plus.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 30 2014 18:07 GMT
#831
If interesting gameplay was THAT important, Gumiho and Supernova would have been the most popular players in the world.
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gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
January 30 2014 18:07 GMT
#832
supply blocked hardcore.
・゚✧:・゚+..。✧・゚:・..。 ✧・゚ :・゚ ゜・:・ ✧・゚:・゚:.。 ✧・゚ SPARKULING *・゜・:・゚✧:・゚✧。゚+..。 ✧・゚: ✧・゚:・゜・:・゚✧::・・:・゚・゚
Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
January 30 2014 18:07 GMT
#833
On January 31 2014 03:07 stuchiu wrote:
If interesting gameplay was THAT important, Gumiho and Supernova would have been the most popular players in the world.


If they were white they probably would be.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 30 2014 18:08 GMT
#834
On January 31 2014 03:07 Exarl25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2014 03:07 stuchiu wrote:
If interesting gameplay was THAT important, Gumiho and Supernova would have been the most popular players in the world.


If they were white they probably would be.


Poor Sen. Saves 2014 and gets less press than Scarlett losing to Hitman.
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gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
January 30 2014 18:09 GMT
#835
Lol. both players try to not play TLO it seems.
・゚✧:・゚+..。✧・゚:・..。 ✧・゚ :・゚ ゜・:・ ✧・゚:・゚:.。 ✧・゚ SPARKULING *・゜・:・゚✧:・゚✧。゚+..。 ✧・゚: ✧・゚:・゜・:・゚✧::・・:・゚・゚
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 30 2014 18:10 GMT
#836
If Shakti wanted to do a random 30 muta transition, he should have proxied that Spire.
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
January 30 2014 18:10 GMT
#837
Gogo shakti!
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Ace Frehley
Profile Joined December 2012
2030 Posts
January 30 2014 18:10 GMT
#838
Hellokit losing sentries like a boss
...
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16126 Posts
January 30 2014 18:11 GMT
#839
On January 31 2014 03:07 stuchiu wrote:
If interesting gameplay was THAT important, Gumiho and Supernova would have been the most popular players in the world.


And they are both absolute favorites of mine.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
January 30 2014 18:11 GMT
#840
On January 31 2014 03:08 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2014 03:07 Exarl25 wrote:
On January 31 2014 03:07 stuchiu wrote:
If interesting gameplay was THAT important, Gumiho and Supernova would have been the most popular players in the world.


If they were white they probably would be.


Poor Sen. Saves 2014 and gets less press than Scarlett losing to Hitman.

Speaking of foreigners everyone loves, HITMAN
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