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On January 22 2014 10:49 Mozdk wrote:
The whine level is amazing. Apoc made plenty of mistakes that game.
Why is this argument even valid? Sure, if Desrow made no mistakes and Apoc did, then Desrow should win. The problem is that both made similar sized mistakes but the map/build give Desrow such an advantage that he won.
If you really want to nit pick, I am sure EVERY player will make mistakes (even Taeja, Inno, etc). So to think that a player has to play a perfect game for balance to be an issue is kind of moronic.
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On January 22 2014 10:59 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 10:56 The_Templar wrote:On January 22 2014 10:51 The_Templar wrote:Apocalypse spawns in the top left desRow spawns in the bottom right 2:00 Barracks first vs gateway first from Desrow. Desrow getting two assimilators. Apocalypse not getting a refinery at all. 3:00 Desrow scouts the base of Apocalypse and gets stuck due to a wall. Apocalypse taking an expansion. Desrow getting his own expansion as well. 4:00 Bunker at the ramp of Apocalypse's natural. Apocalypse getting both gasses in his main. Desrow getting warp gate and a stalker. Mothership core finished by Desrow, and it's patrolling his natural. 5:00 Twilight council on the way for Desrow. Apocalypse getting an engineering bay. Stim being researched. 6:00 Scan in Desrow's main sees nothing, not even the twilight council. Dark shrine for Desrow as well as a robotics facility. Desrow adding a gateway. Apocalypse adds a missile turret to his natural wall. 7:00  Apocalypse 54 vs  desRow 52 Blink and a robotics bay on they way for Desrow. Desrow gets a DT in Apocalypse's natural expansion and distrupts mining. Apocalypse has no scans. Double forge on the way for Desrow. 9:00 Apocalypse 60 vs desRow 68 Desrow gets three DTs in the main of Apocalypse and kills some depots, SCVs, and a reactor on a starport. Colossus production is already being done. Apocalypse finally cleans up the DTs in his main. Bunkers being salvaged. 10:00 Apocalypse 70 vs desRow 77 Probe somehow scouts everything in the natural and the main wall. Double drop in the main and natural of Desrow at the same time as Desrow doing a zealot drop in the terran main. Apocalypse backs off.
12:00 Apocalypse 95 vs desRow 92
Desrow taking a third but Apocalypse moves out.
Desrow tries to engage but isn't finished with charge and has no zealots so has to back off and cancel the third.
Apocalypse retreats.
13:00 Apocalypse 109 vs desRow 103
Apocalypse loses a medivac and some units to forward stalker but does a drop in the natural of desrow.
2/2 and extended thermal lance and a third base finishing for Desrow, but the drop is still there.
15:00 Apocalypse 118 vs desRow 121
Desrow harassing the third and main base of Apocalypse with zealots.
Apocalypse takes a long time to react.
Desrow still losing a few workers to the drop in his third base.
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Poll: Recommend Apocalypse vs Desrow Game 4?Great Game! (2) 33% Good Game (2) 33% Bad Game (2) 33% Meh Game (0) 0% 6 total votes Your vote: Recommend Apocalypse vs Desrow Game 4? (Vote): Great Game!
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Poll: Recommend Apocalypse vs Desrow Game 5?Bad Game (1) 100% Great Game! (0) 0% Good Game (0) 0% Meh Game (0) 0% 1 total votes Your vote: Recommend Apocalypse vs Desrow Game 5? (Vote): Great Game!
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On January 22 2014 11:02 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 10:59 The_Templar wrote:On January 22 2014 10:56 The_Templar wrote:On January 22 2014 10:51 The_Templar wrote:Apocalypse spawns in the top left desRow spawns in the bottom right 2:00 Barracks first vs gateway first from Desrow. Desrow getting two assimilators. Apocalypse not getting a refinery at all. 3:00 Desrow scouts the base of Apocalypse and gets stuck due to a wall. Apocalypse taking an expansion. Desrow getting his own expansion as well. 4:00 Bunker at the ramp of Apocalypse's natural. Apocalypse getting both gasses in his main. Desrow getting warp gate and a stalker. Mothership core finished by Desrow, and it's patrolling his natural. 5:00 Twilight council on the way for Desrow. Apocalypse getting an engineering bay. Stim being researched. 6:00 Scan in Desrow's main sees nothing, not even the twilight council. Dark shrine for Desrow as well as a robotics facility. Desrow adding a gateway. Apocalypse adds a missile turret to his natural wall. 7:00 Apocalypse 54 vs desRow 52 Blink and a robotics bay on they way for Desrow. Desrow gets a DT in Apocalypse's natural expansion and distrupts mining. Apocalypse has no scans. Double forge on the way for Desrow. 9:00 Apocalypse 60 vs desRow 68 Desrow gets three DTs in the main of Apocalypse and kills some depots, SCVs, and a reactor on a starport. Colossus production is already being done. Apocalypse finally cleans up the DTs in his main. Bunkers being salvaged. 10:00 Apocalypse 70 vs desRow 77 Probe somehow scouts everything in the natural and the main wall. Double drop in the main and natural of Desrow at the same time as Desrow doing a zealot drop in the terran main. Apocalypse backs off. 12:00 Apocalypse 95 vs desRow 92 Desrow taking a third but Apocalypse moves out. Desrow tries to engage but isn't finished with charge and has no zealots so has to back off and cancel the third. Apocalypse retreats. 13:00 Apocalypse 109 vs desRow 103 Apocalypse loses a medivac and some units to forward stalker but does a drop in the natural of desrow. 2/2 and extended thermal lance and a third base finishing for Desrow, but the drop is still there. 15:00 Apocalypse 118 vs desRow 121 Desrow harassing the third and main base of Apocalypse with zealots. Apocalypse takes a long time to react. Desrow still losing a few workers to the drop in his third base.
16:00 Apocalypse 131 vs desRow 126
Two more gateways for Desrow.
Desrow harassing with DTs.
Both players on three bases.
Desrow 9 workers ahead.
17:00 Apocalypse 153 vs desRow 146
Desrow blinks into the third under the vikings and forces a complete evacuation.
Desrow backing off and adding a templar archives.
18:00 Apocalypse 148 vs desRow 157
Desrow cleans up a drop in his main easily.
Apocalypse retaking his third base.
+1 vehicle weapons and +2 infantry armor for Apocalypse.
Archons for Desrow.
19:00 Apocalypse 149 vs desRow 177
Desrow taking a 4th base and moving into the third base of Apocalypse.
Apocalypse has a huge concave and pulls workers but Desrow smashes through.
Apocalypse GG's!
DesRow wins 3-1!
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Overall a WP series by Desrow. Good games.
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Good to see Desrow throwing his weight around again in sc2!
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congratz to desRow for making it into Premier! Solid games.
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Wow, gotta say I'm surprised by that. Well played by Desrow.
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On January 22 2014 11:01 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 10:49 Mozdk wrote:
The whine level is amazing. Apoc made plenty of mistakes that game. Why is this argument even valid? Sure, if Desrow made no mistakes and Apoc did, then Desrow should win. The problem is that both made similar sized mistakes but the map/build give Desrow such an advantage that he won. If you really want to nit pick, I am sure EVERY player will make mistakes (even Taeja, Inno, etc). So to think that a player has to play a perfect game for balance to be an issue is kind of moronic.
Why does everything have to be argumentative? Both players executed subpar and the one who had the easier task won. I don't see why we have to start a debate.
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Wow, I was not expecting this result. Congrats desrow ! You've earned it
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Well done Desrow, and well deserved.
Time for the second most awesome zerg in the world to tip a cow.
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