EPT[SPL] MVP vs SKT T1 Round 1 2014 - Page 44
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TaShadan
Germany1965 Posts
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Jindo
United States1305 Posts
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Thruth
Poland112 Posts
On December 29 2013 20:36 TaShadan wrote: Kespa teams easy. The days of esf teams dominating is over. MVP is KeSPA  | ||
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3209 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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StarStruck
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
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esdf
Croatia736 Posts
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atrox_
United Kingdom1710 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On December 29 2013 22:58 atrox_ wrote: that TvP was actually disgusting. How can Rain make so many mistakes yet still beat a player that saw what was coming and prepared? And if you're going to reply to this post with a protoss icon don't bother saying "build another bunker" i think you should try getting ravens, PDD is good against stalkers | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On December 29 2013 23:02 opterown wrote: i think you should try getting ravens, PDD is good against stalkers PF in the main! | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On December 29 2013 23:02 opterown wrote: i think you should try getting ravens, PDD is good against stalkers just getting a single tank and defending it defends blink attacks early on. I don't play anymore but going mech the amount of times I won by just having a tank or two were pretty impressive. Of course if you're not going to ever build anything but MMM and there's a build that can exploit the current meta builds vunerability please be sure to blame balance and not stubborness of the players. Maybe MMM can't hold everything off early and that's a good thing, build something else. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51471 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9366 Posts
On December 29 2013 23:15 Qikz wrote: just getting a single tank and defending it defends blink attacks early on. I don't play anymore but going mech the amount of times I won by just having a tank or two were pretty impressive. Of course if you're not going to ever build anything but MMM and there's a build that can exploit the current meta builds vunerability please be sure to blame balance and not stubborness of the players. Maybe MMM can't hold everything off early and that's a good thing, build something else. So I think alot of people are missing what actually happend this game. Rain went for an economical blink timing. Normally, against 1-base blink you lift your expo into main, get 3-4 bunkers around your main and delay your starport tech (because you can't afford 3 rax'es and bunkers + quick factory/starport). While Dream went for relatively late factory/starport tech, he didn't lift his nat into main. Why? Cus he saw Rain getting an expo behind the blink-pressure, hence he figured that lifting his nat into main would put him behind. But he simply couldn't survive against this timing which hits before medivacs are out and defend locations (nat and main) at the same time. Against a normal 2-base blink pressure build, Dream could turtle on 2 bases with a couple of bunkers and 2 siege Tanks and be fine. However, this wasn't a normal 2base- blink pressure build, but an inbetweenber which caught Dream totally off guard. In my opinion, Dream should have played against this like it was a 1 base blink build and lifted nat into main. To optimize his situations, he could proceed to make these 3 adjustments; 1) Cut bio production a bit 2) Get slightly faster Medis out instead 3) Retake expo when 2 Medis are out He would be able to do this since Rain had less Stalkers than in a normal 1-base blink all in. But overall, we can't blame Dream for not adjusting proplery to this build since he probably doesn't have that much experience against it. | ||
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catabowl
United States815 Posts
Two questions arise, are the maps this poorly imbalanced against Terran? Or has Korea figured out that Terran isn't that good right now? | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On December 29 2013 23:26 catabowl wrote: So... Nothing but Zergs and Protoss... one terran in the first 2 sets... Two questions arise, are the maps this poorly imbalanced against Terran? Or has Korea figured out that Terran isn't that good right now? many of the good terrans simply aren't on kespa teams e.g. bomber, bogus, taeja, etc | ||
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PPN
France248 Posts
On December 29 2013 22:58 atrox_ wrote: that TvP was actually disgusting. How can Rain make so many mistakes yet still beat a player that saw what was coming and prepared? And if you're going to reply to this post with a protoss icon don't bother saying "build another bunker" Build another bunker... where 3rd bunker should be on Yeonsu in this case :p Granted blink all-in are hard to hold on this map but they are also very common. Dream saw it coming and I don't see how he did nearly what he could have done to ensure he does not die. That and the delayed warpgate might just have been enough to disturb him and make him underestimate the strength of Rain's timing attack. | ||
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SHOOG
United States1639 Posts
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