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Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14461 Posts
December 29 2013 10:59 GMT
#701
On December 29 2013 19:56 LeLfe wrote:
how is 13-11 an insane stat?

Get the hype !

By the way, you should change your quote.
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AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
December 29 2013 10:59 GMT
#702
On December 29 2013 19:58 Kasaraki wrote:
Ugh Wolf used to be such a good caster. Hoping this is just an off day.


Oh come on now, his comment fails are part of his charm imo!!

and....PartinG is fat. Wow.

McRatyn
Profile Joined January 2013
Poland901 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-29 10:59:32
December 29 2013 10:59 GMT
#703
13-11 the new running joke on TL. Called it.
skatblast
Profile Joined September 2011
United States784 Posts
December 29 2013 10:59 GMT
#704
common parting !!! soul train!
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
December 29 2013 10:59 GMT
#705
On December 29 2013 19:56 sharkie wrote:
DRG isn't a good zerg anymore is he?


Yes he is

sometimes
AdministratorBreak the chains
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
December 29 2013 10:59 GMT
#706
On December 29 2013 19:59 McRatyn wrote:
13-11 the new running joke on TL. Called it.


40/40 chance it catches on
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
December 29 2013 11:00 GMT
#707
On December 29 2013 19:56 Arceus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2013 19:52 McRatyn wrote:
Is that my imagination or is the caster on the right (Wiki)Canata?

he joined SPOTV like one year ago. Now if they manage to snatch GoRush/TheMarine it would be awesome. SPOTV casters doesnt seem as good as OGN

GoRush and TheMarine are supposed to be casting a BW Proleague, man.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=438440
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Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
December 29 2013 11:00 GMT
#708
On December 29 2013 19:51 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2013 19:46 vthree wrote:
On December 29 2013 19:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 29 2013 19:43 Qwerty85 wrote:
On December 29 2013 19:39 Zealously wrote:
On December 29 2013 19:36 Glorfindel! wrote:
On December 29 2013 19:35 Zealously wrote:
On December 29 2013 19:34 Glorfindel! wrote:
On December 29 2013 19:31 Zealously wrote:
On December 29 2013 19:30 Glorfindel! wrote:
[quote]

You mean like Rain did by letting his cheese getting scouted and forgetting his most important upgrade? ^^
To bad Dream did not make a third bunker on the right place, he clearly deserved to loose!

Flawless logic... :D:D:D:D


So, essentially, what you're saying is that Dream played an otherwise flawless game? Don't be stupid.


No, but with much less flaws than Rain as far as I could see from the spectators view.
However your Protossbiases are incredible
And there is no reasong to call anyone stupid, right?


I tend to call people stupid when they are


Feels like you are making some personal insults which clearly does not belong in a thread?
Especially a TL-writer should know better?
Cheering for MVP now, want an ace match


I'm insulting what you're saying because it is stupid. I can't convince you otherwise, but you're sadly mistaken if you think the only mistake Dream made in that game was not building an additional bunker. Likewise, you seem to underestimate the efficiency of Rain's micro. Not just any Protoss wins in that situation. It takes mistakes from Dream and good play from Rain, and both happened.


Almost every protoss wins with 2 base blink on maps like Yeonsu or Star Station. Yes, Rain is great, but he screwed up his build pretty bad, made probably the same amount of mistakes as Dream, probably even more but the mobility of stalkers+time warp + multiple entry points make it almost impossible to defend 2 base blink.

You cant even evacuate the natural because protoss is mining back home from 2 bases.

Seriously, saying that blink isn't broken on current maps is like saying 1/1/1 wasn't broken against protoss.
It had the same problems - hard to scout exactly what you are up against and tiny margin for error on protoss part.

I bet you could find errors in every protoss players defense of 1/1/1 back in WoL but that doesn't change the fact the build was too strong and imbalanced.


Lol, not even close


1/1/1s were held...


1/1/1s were held after an immortal buff on maps that were specifically designed to discourage 1/1/1s (see Daybreak). Every terran went 1/1/1 on every map that allowed for it and protoss got close to extinct. That's the worst state of balance this game ever had. If blink allins were at all comparable then every protoss would do it every game and it would still have an 80% winrate. Because that's how the 1/1/1 was



There were games where protoss held 1/1/1 even before the immortal buff. For example Thorzain vs. MC on Xel Naga.

Also, if every terran went 1/1/1 and it was not possible to hold, how come terran had somewhere between 55-60% win ratio in Korea at that time and not closer to 100%.

So you are way overexagerating. Also, protoss players are doing blink all ins almost every game on blink favored maps.
The only difference is that there are some other good protoss builds like proxy oracle that can do significant damage so protoss isn't just limited to 2 base blink.

But as I said, when map is blink favored, you will see 2 base blink in almost every single TvP.

So it is very comparable to 1/1/1. Even if 1/1/1 was a bit stronger, that doesn't mean blinks are not to strong as well in the current map pool.
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
December 29 2013 11:00 GMT
#709
I love that they preserve that beautiful team logo on the nex/hatch/cc from last year. It's way more elegant than the big ass team logo in front of your main that other leagues are using atm
LeLfe
Profile Joined February 2011
France3160 Posts
December 29 2013 11:00 GMT
#710
On December 29 2013 19:59 Aeromi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2013 19:56 LeLfe wrote:
how is 13-11 an insane stat?

Get the hype !

By the way, you should change your quote.

yeah realized that after I posted
Writer for Red bull (Fr) and Iron Squid (En/Fr) @ClemLeLfe on twitter
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
December 29 2013 11:00 GMT
#711
On December 29 2013 19:58 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2013 19:55 bo1b wrote:
Can't believe wolf says drg cracks under pressure lol

Well, he kinda does. GSTL Finals in game seven, Blizz-cup in game 7 after bringing in back from 3-0 to 3-3, Iron Squid in game 7, after being up 3-0. DRG may be a monster, but he still shows nerves, MMA for example has shown to be more cold-blooded.

All of those games aren't examples of choking under pressure lol. Losing to a superior player isn't choking, if drg choked under pressure he'd have been 4:0d in the blizz cup, he wouldn't have carried his team so hard in gstl for 3 seasons etc.
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
December 29 2013 11:01 GMT
#712
Gate on ramp returning? Interesting.
KT best KT ~ 2014
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-29 11:02:39
December 29 2013 11:01 GMT
#713
God i hate that 1gate xpand stargate build.

Edit : phenix... i hate it even more. Well.. i might learn how to defend that
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
December 29 2013 11:02 GMT
#714
On December 29 2013 20:00 KristofferAG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2013 19:56 Arceus wrote:
On December 29 2013 19:52 McRatyn wrote:
Is that my imagination or is the caster on the right (Wiki)Canata?

he joined SPOTV like one year ago. Now if they manage to snatch GoRush/TheMarine it would be awesome. SPOTV casters doesnt seem as good as OGN

GoRush and TheMarine are supposed to be casting a BW Proleague, man.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=438440

I know. Thats why I figure maybe they would be free to cast something other than OGN's contents
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
December 29 2013 11:02 GMT
#715
PartinG has become MC.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-29 11:03:53
December 29 2013 11:03 GMT
#716
On December 29 2013 19:57 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2013 19:54 vthree wrote:
On December 29 2013 19:51 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 29 2013 19:46 vthree wrote:
On December 29 2013 19:45 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On December 29 2013 19:43 Qwerty85 wrote:
On December 29 2013 19:39 Zealously wrote:
On December 29 2013 19:36 Glorfindel! wrote:
On December 29 2013 19:35 Zealously wrote:
On December 29 2013 19:34 Glorfindel! wrote:
[quote]

No, but with much less flaws than Rain as far as I could see from the spectators view.
However your Protossbiases are incredible
And there is no reasong to call anyone stupid, right?


I tend to call people stupid when they are


Feels like you are making some personal insults which clearly does not belong in a thread?
Especially a TL-writer should know better?
Cheering for MVP now, want an ace match


I'm insulting what you're saying because it is stupid. I can't convince you otherwise, but you're sadly mistaken if you think the only mistake Dream made in that game was not building an additional bunker. Likewise, you seem to underestimate the efficiency of Rain's micro. Not just any Protoss wins in that situation. It takes mistakes from Dream and good play from Rain, and both happened.


Almost every protoss wins with 2 base blink on maps like Yeonsu or Star Station. Yes, Rain is great, but he screwed up his build pretty bad, made probably the same amount of mistakes as Dream, probably even more but the mobility of stalkers+time warp + multiple entry points make it almost impossible to defend 2 base blink.

You cant even evacuate the natural because protoss is mining back home from 2 bases.

Seriously, saying that blink isn't broken on current maps is like saying 1/1/1 wasn't broken against protoss.
It had the same problems - hard to scout exactly what you are up against and tiny margin for error on protoss part.

I bet you could find errors in every protoss players defense of 1/1/1 back in WoL but that doesn't change the fact the build was too strong and imbalanced.


Lol, not even close


1/1/1s were held...


1/1/1s were held after an immortal buff on maps that were specifically designed to discourage 1/1/1s (see Daybreak). Every terran went 1/1/1 on every map that allowed for it and protoss got close to extinct. That's the worst state of balance this game ever had. If blink allins were at all comparable then every protoss would do it every game and it would still have an 80% winrate. Because that's how the 1/1/1 was


Every Terran went 1/1/1 on every map? Stop exaggerating...

Some 1/1/1s were held before the immortal buff...


On every map that allowed for it, please read correctly. That isn't an exaggeration either. It's why it was calles "the 1/1/1" era. They started mixing it up when counterbuilds developed (that protoss had to do blindly mind you)


Then list the maps that allowed for it and I will show you a game where the Terran didn't 1-1-1. There is the BL infestor era as well, 11-11 era, P death ball era... Doesn't mean they did it every game.

And you contradict yourself. iF Terrans did it 100%, then Protoss wouldn't be blind countering, would they? Since they know 100% it is coming...
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
December 29 2013 11:03 GMT
#717
Keen so dreamy :3
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
December 29 2013 11:03 GMT
#718
Lack of soul is not cool
Fast third is normally how PartinG loses his PvZ xD
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-29 11:06:24
December 29 2013 11:04 GMT
#719
On December 29 2013 20:03 Pandemona wrote:
Lack of soul is not cool
Fast third is normally how PartinG loses his PvZ xD


So that's a good thing :p

Edit : no robo ? with hydras out ?

EDIt 2 : here it is ^^
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-29 11:07:21
December 29 2013 11:06 GMT
#720
On December 29 2013 20:04 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2013 20:03 Pandemona wrote:
Lack of soul is not cool
Fast third is normally how PartinG loses his PvZ xD


So that's a good thing :p

Edit : no robo ? with hydras out ?

EDIt 2 : here it is ^^


Yeah standard PartinG thinking he can hold Hydras with his blink micro xD

Well guess he showed me...rape 0.O
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