On November 18 2013 22:14 HeadlessWonder wrote: Does anyone know if Symbol's going to be back from HSC in time to play in this match?
He will comfortably be back in time....however will he be tired as hell, yes indeed he will be. He will be flying from Germany today and getting into Seoul 13hours later...so your looking at getting Seoul around Tuesday morning KST. Playing at 6pm KST He going be so tired xD
On November 18 2013 22:14 HeadlessWonder wrote: Does anyone know if Symbol's going to be back from HSC in time to play in this match?
Unless he took some weird flight then yes, he will be back in time. Different story if he feels like playing though since he will land when it's (from estimates) like 11am Tuesday in Korea. So depending on how tired he feels will determine if he is playing or not.
On November 18 2013 20:48 HeadlessWonder wrote: Are the all-kill games in the playoffs not bo9 like last season? D: That's immensely disappointing.
Last season had only 1 match per playoff round. Now it's a bo3 with the matches going all-kill -> proleague -> all-kill.
I think it's a lot better like this even if the all-kill games are bo7.
Gogo Startale!
I agree the whole best of 3 separate matches is really cool. I just think bo9 all-kill is far superior to bo7. For example, since Startale is sending out Panic first, it means they have to play without either Avenge, Bomber, Life, or Curious. It also takes away some of the sniper strategy because it's not worth it to send out a sniper if he's a quarter of your lineup. You typically just send out the 4 best guys you have.
On November 18 2013 22:14 HeadlessWonder wrote: Does anyone know if Symbol's going to be back from HSC in time to play in this match?
Unless he took some weird flight then yes, he will be back in time. Different story if he feels like playing though since he will land when it's (from estimates) like 11am Tuesday in Korea. So depending on how tired he feels will determine if he is playing or not.
I hope Symbol's feeling well because I don't like ZUBU's chances without him.
fOu only lost because there is no flares/flairs/fares/bears/that-icon-in-the-bottom-right on TL clearly. If TL had added it so I could show my support then they would have made it for sure. Definitely 322%. I blame it on TL.
On November 19 2013 01:57 LockeTazeline wrote: Is Bomber gone for both matches?
I'm guessing Bomber is in New York for red bull battlegrounds. Given that he was in California for WCS Grand Finals, it's possible it just made more sense for him to stay in the US rather than fly back and forth to Korea for a week. It's also possible that red bull has some plans that they need him around for (they took him skydiving before--they like doing events for their players).
On November 18 2013 22:14 HeadlessWonder wrote: Does anyone know if Symbol's going to be back from HSC in time to play in this match?
He will comfortably be back in time....however will he be tired as hell, yes indeed he will be. He will be flying from Germany today and getting into Seoul 13hours later...so your looking at getting Seoul around Tuesday morning KST. Playing at 6pm KST He going be so tired xD
This is the main reason I bet Startale for the first match. Doesn't even matter if Bomber is there or not Life, Curious, and Avenge can hold down the fort against a Zubuuu with a weakened Symbol (less he handles jet lag well)
or can they?! o.o
Startale really has a knack for choking in the end when they really shouldn't. First team to lose to Soul :p. I'm trying to give them the benefit of the doubt one more time.
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On November 18 2013 22:14 HeadlessWonder wrote: Does anyone know if Symbol's going to be back from HSC in time to play in this match?
He will comfortably be back in time....however will he be tired as hell, yes indeed he will be. He will be flying from Germany today and getting into Seoul 13hours later...so your looking at getting Seoul around Tuesday morning KST. Playing at 6pm KST He going be so tired xD
This is the main reason I bet Startale for the first match. Doesn't even matter if Bomber is there or not Life, Curious, and Avenge can hold down the fort against a Zubuuu with a weakened Symbol (less he handles jet lag well)
or can they?! o.o
Startale really has a knack for choking in the end when they really shouldn't. First team to lose to Soul :p. I'm trying to give them the benefit of the doubt one more time.
Round 1: 4-3 Azubu Round 2: 4-2 Azubu :D
ST's lineup is Panic and the I would guess 3 out of these 4 (Curious, Life, Avenge, Hack) Azubu is Ragnarok then who knows. 3 out of (B4, Sleep, Center, Patience, SuperNova, Jet-Lag Symbol, maybe even Vines?)
I think it can go either way depending on who gets the hot hand. ST definitely has the name power, though.
On November 19 2013 08:46 Darkhoarse wrote: Worth noting that Startale is on a 4 match losing streak, and didn't win a single match with the Proleague format.
You forgot never win a single match against ZUBUUU too.
I wish Proleague would merge with GSTL i really think AX-Acer has a shot vs kespa teams. Maybe they need to pick up another zerg but they pretty damn good.
On November 19 2013 08:46 Darkhoarse wrote: Worth noting that Startale is on a 4 match losing streak, and didn't win a single match with the Proleague format.
And without Bomber, they'll have a significantly harder time winning the all kill format than with him.
Low ground pylon for Panic looks like a FFE build, just depends which order Ragnarok 15H Nexus first before forge for Panic Forge follows straight after Ragnarok throws down a fast 3rd before pool! goes for an 18Pool! Cannon and 2 gas on their way for Panic Just drones being made for Ragnarok 3 Queens start for Ragnarok Cyber down for Panic Still just drones being made by Ragnarok Stargate goes down for Panic Robo follows the stargate 2 Lings have entered play for Ragnarok now Phoenix's are being produced now Ragnarok starts his Lair RW Evo chamber follow, ling speed finally starts Immortal starts for Panic, and colli tech goes down! +1 Ranged starts for Ragnarok Hydra Den goes down, another Queen starts and 5 spore crawlers Panic throws down 6 more gates to give himself a total of 7 Colli + Thermal lance start! MSC also incoming along with +1 weapons 11 Hydra and Hydra Range incoming Push starts now Lings scout 1 colli with thermal lance It comes into the 3rd now the push from Panic Hydras greet the push but have to dodge out of the way as Time Warp goes down Looks a scary force from panic! 3rd goes down! quite easily! Engagement happens between the armies almost instantly afterwards. Looks like there is too many roaches and hydras! Yes, Ragnarok manages to hold but he did lose his 3rd! Stalkers retreat and Panic is left 30supply behind They are both sat on 48 drones/probes Ragnarok retakes his 3rd Hydra speed starts for Ragnarok Warp Prism incoming for Panic Another force coming for Panic, 2 immortals and stalker zealot sentry Hydra Roach meets it and pushes it back Ragnarok had +2 ranged finished vs just the +1 weapons of protoss Easy win for the Roach Hydra Panic has to retreat and Ragnarok follows him to the natural. Panic has nothing and Ragnarok walks in. GG Called
On November 19 2013 18:35 Shellshock wrote: Hack has shown some pretty good TvZ. Too bad AZUBU doesn't have Genius as a follow up anymore if Ragnarok loses
Live by the Zerg, die by the Zerg. It's the Zubu way.
On November 19 2013 18:36 Undead1993 wrote: why is hack smth with 100 placed in wcs according to gstl? they should srsly get an update on their stats
I think it's updated, it's just that you forget that WCS Eu / NA gets a lot of points as well.
It'd be cool to see compilations of wcs points for teams. Like which team has the most overall, which races in what team has, which teams have one person with lots of points and a lot of people with no, etc
On November 19 2013 18:36 Undead1993 wrote: why is hack smth with 100 placed in wcs according to gstl? they should srsly get an update on their stats
I think it's updated, it's just that you forget that WCS Eu / NA gets a lot of points as well.
It'd be cool to see compilations of wcs points for teams. Like which team has the most overall, which races in what team has, which teams have one person with lots of points and a lot of people with no, etc
Wow I just looked at Symbol this season. 7-3 with wins against Avenge, Life, Dear, hyvaa, Bomber, Crank, Leenock. Losses against Curious, Crank, and Trap. -> Super Ace
Agree about the HSM ... He was right above the banelings, first thing I thought was "he's gonna HSM those so hard". Without the banelings he would have lost much less.
On November 19 2013 18:56 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Why not HSM the overlords or banes?
Yeah, i was thinking he could have at least eliminated a few banes... but otherwise overlords wouldn't have died. Every time I see Mech V Z I wonder why you don't see roach drops. (I haven't seen much since HotS/Hellbats, but I still think it would be really hard to hold.)
Those broodlords were meant to catch viking shots. But even when Hack target fired vipers with his vikings, the animation is so slow that the vipers got Blinding Clouds down even way behind the vikings.
12Rax for Hack 15H for Ragnarok 16Pool follows for Ragnarok Gas goes down on 17 for Ragnarok and Hack puts down a CC at his natural Gas follows for Hack just the 1 Ling speed on its way as 4 lings run around the map 3rd CC and 2nd gas start for Hack 9 Drones start for Ragnarok Factory with Reactor about to finish as well as the 3rd CC Ragnarok throws down another gas and a RW 2nd Factory started by Hack Blue Flame starts from tech lab on 2nd factory! Starport goes down as well Ragnarok starts overlord speed Lair and 2 Evo Chambers follow Ragnarok gets the dream scout! Scouts 2xFactory and Starport Hack is making Siege Tank along with his Hellions now +1 melee and +1 armor for hack started Some roaches popping out too Viking out killing overlords Raven started too! 2 more Gases and a Factory for Hack 2 Armories going down for upgrades as well. Banshee being made also Roach Speed and OVERLORD DROP!! Being researched +1 Ranged and +2 Armor being made for Ragnarok Baneling nest also up Lots of roaches on the field Infestation pit down +1 armor +1 weapons started for Hack Overlords in the middle of the map waiting for some units to drop! Thor and Hellbats in production Drops come into the natural and 3rd! Roaches and banelings being dropped everywhere 3rd CC is lifted! Hack has managed to hold but at some price! He is left 60 supply behind and mass roaches being remade 3 Banshee's are having free fire on the Roaches and that seems to be enough to make Ragnarok back out! Hack holds! 4 Banshees now and a Raven patrolling the map Locusts and Hydra enter the field! Locusts are gaining some energy from Evo Chambers Spire is also researching +1 weapons +2 armor +2 weapons started for Hack Hellbat drops go off around the map Ragnarok just walks into the 3rd and gets destroyed! His army evaporates whilst the double hellbat drops are killing drones 19 Drones have died! Hack takes a supply lead! Ragnarok sat with 4k minerals but less than 1k gas He starts making 9brood lords! With the double weapon upgrades for Terran now the vikings are already on the map with +2 now 3-3 starts for Hack Thors Vikings Seige Hellbats Hellions vs Roach Hydra Blord Blords engage! And the just melt to the vikings! Roach Hydra won the ground war and are pushing into the natural though! Vikings morph to ground mode to help clean up They hold but barely REMAX by Ragnarok on Roach Hydra and they are streaming across the map 80 supply down for Hack The remaxing is just killing Hack who just doesn't have the production. GG is called by Hack after releasing he cannot hold the wave after wave.
On November 19 2013 18:36 Undead1993 wrote: why is hack smth with 100 placed in wcs according to gstl? they should srsly get an update on their stats
I think it's updated, it's just that you forget that WCS Eu / NA gets a lot of points as well.
exactly, that's what i am talking about wcs eu and na is as well wcs and wcs ranks include every wcs, so yeah he is not 100 somthing he is fourty something
Overlords meet eachother scouting up and down. Both 15H! Life goes 15SP Ragnarok 16SP then Gas Ling Speed starts for Ragnarok Life making another 2 Queens to get to 4 2 Gas for Life and a SC 4 Speed lings rush over to the natural of Life but cant get in Double Evo chamber block with 2 queens for Life with a SC behind RW and Lair starts for Ragnarok along with Evo chamber and 1 more gas Same for Life! +1 Ranged started for both players Life starts ling speed +1 Armor starts for Life Ling runby for Life Runs into roaches at the 3rd of Ragnarok Both 3rds up Roach speed starts for both players Life taunting with his lings 1-1 about to complete for life with Roach Speed +1 ranged and roach speed about to complete for Ragnarok. NO armor for him though +2 Ranged instantly starts for Ragnarok +2 Ranged starts for life too...but he has +1 armor! Ling run by for life straight into the main for Ragnarok 8 drones die 62 lings did aswell though! +1 Armor finally starts for Ragnarok A goop lands on the evo chamber researching +2 ranged for Life on Ragnarok Burrow starts for Ragnarok Life moves across the map!! Life pushes into the 3rd! Tries to do some damage Supply tumbles down for Ragnarok! Drones pulled at the 3rd to help out 40 supply lead for Life! Roaches streaming down for Life now Supply evens out whilst the roach reinforcements are coming down Burrow from Ragnarok to heal his roaches is helping alot! He is still 20 supply down though NYDUS! Nydus has gone down in Lifes main and roaches streaming out Life reinforcements turn around mid map to go deal with them 40 Supply lead after Life cleans that up though Ragnarok in trouble 22 Drones died in total for Ragnarok 4th Hatch goes down for Life 60roaches for life vs 40 of Ragnarok Engagement happens at the 3rd and Life wins convincingly GG called! StarTale 1-2 Azubu
13 Gas 13 Rax for Supernova 15H for Life Gas into 16SP for Life Reaper starts as SP goes down 2nd Reaper starts too CC on 20 supply for Supernova Life has a Overlord spotting that though and sees all 2 Queens and Ling Speed starts as 4 lings trying to deal with the reaper Factory follow up for Supernova 3rd CC and 2nd gas start for Supernova Interesting by Supernova, he leaves reactor on the Rax and producing Marines whilst techlab finishes on the Factory Instantly starts siege tank out of the factory ARMORY goes down for Supernova followed by a Starport Life takes his 3rd Stim starts 2 Hellbats start and a medivac 1-1 starts for Life (melee and armor) Supernova begins to move out with his small bio task force and his drop ships of helbats 4Hellbats 6marines a Firebear and 2Reaper engage the 3rd of Life Life doesn't seem to have an answer with just Lings! 3RD GOES DOWN Life has literally no answer with just lings! Supernova is in the natural killing everything Life is forced into a GG! Supernova wins with a perfect timing push
On November 19 2013 19:51 Fjodorov wrote: when did supernova take his second gas? siege tank, stim, armory, startport. He must have taken it quite early?
After he drops factory I think, gives him enough gas for armory and tech lab when factory is done.
On November 19 2013 19:51 Fjodorov wrote: when did supernova take his second gas? siege tank, stim, armory, startport. He must have taken it quite early?
On November 19 2013 19:51 Fjodorov wrote: when did supernova take his second gas? siege tank, stim, armory, startport. He must have taken it quite early?
15H for Curious 15CC for Supernova 15SP 16Rax 16Gas for Supernova Bunker starts same time as first 2 lings start Factory starts for Supernova And 2nd Gas (23supply - 4min50 @ Fjodorov) Starport follow up for Supernova 2 Mines start instantly on the switch to Reactor 3rd Hatch for Curious as ling speed starts Medivac starts 4 Mines into the medivac and flies over 3rd CC goes down MINES DROPPED Curious doesnt see DRONES DIEING!! 15 Drones die in total! Supernova getting major damage Overlord speed done in that melee of damage Baneling nest down as well and lair starts Supernova 3 medivac drop into the main! Stimmed marines focus down the SP!! SP DOWN! Lair....holds! Lings engage! Marines in choke between mineral line More marinese come storming across the map SP still not done! CURIOUS TAPS OUT AZUBU TAKE FIRST SERIES 1-0!!! Azubu 4-1 StarTale
On November 19 2013 20:00 NovaMB wrote: Should've played Avenge.
Avenge should have played instead of Panic. Bo7 leaves no room for lesser players, snipers, etc. Just gotta throw your best 4 and hope for the best. Curious has been the most consistent this season, even though he looked clueless in that game.
On November 19 2013 20:00 NovaMB wrote: Should've played Avenge.
Avenge should have played instead of Panic. Bo7 leaves no room for lesser players, snipers, etc. Just gotta throw your best 4 and hope for the best. Curious has been the most consistent this season, even though he looked clueless in that game.
Yeah I was thinking that too before we started. Seemed kind of weird to send out Panic in the playoffs. Maybe Avenge is just not doing well lately in practice?
On November 19 2013 20:00 NovaMB wrote: Should've played Avenge.
Avenge should have played instead of Panic. Bo7 leaves no room for lesser players, snipers, etc. Just gotta throw your best 4 and hope for the best. Curious has been the most consistent this season, even though he looked clueless in that game.
Even tho I like Panic, I completely agree. We need to use every single one of our big guns and Avenge is one of them.
On November 19 2013 20:00 NovaMB wrote: Should've played Avenge.
Avenge should have played instead of Panic. Bo7 leaves no room for lesser players, snipers, etc. Just gotta throw your best 4 and hope for the best. Curious has been the most consistent this season, even though he looked clueless in that game.
They played Panic instead of Avenge? Well, uhm.... lol I guess
On November 19 2013 20:08 Heartland wrote: I feel like we've become the new IM. Chock full of great players who win championships but can't win a goddamn GSTL game
On November 19 2013 20:00 NovaMB wrote: Should've played Avenge.
Avenge should have played instead of Panic. Bo7 leaves no room for lesser players, snipers, etc. Just gotta throw your best 4 and hope for the best. Curious has been the most consistent this season, even though he looked clueless in that game.
Yeah I was thinking that too before we started. Seemed kind of weird to send out Panic in the playoffs. Maybe Avenge is just not doing well lately in practice?
Avenge is doing poorly enough in practice to be the starting player on Thursday if the match even happens, which it most likely won't.
On November 19 2013 20:00 NovaMB wrote: Should've played Avenge.
Avenge should have played instead of Panic. Bo7 leaves no room for lesser players, snipers, etc. Just gotta throw your best 4 and hope for the best. Curious has been the most consistent this season, even though he looked clueless in that game.
Yeah I was thinking that too before we started. Seemed kind of weird to send out Panic in the playoffs. Maybe Avenge is just not doing well lately in practice?
Avenge is doing poorly enough in practice to be the starting player on Thursday if the match even happens, which it most likely won't.
oh yea didn't even notice that. idk why he didnt play today, then. Could have just gone with a different starter and put Avenge not first. Like maybe open with Hack?
On November 19 2013 20:00 NovaMB wrote: Should've played Avenge.
Avenge should have played instead of Panic. Bo7 leaves no room for lesser players, snipers, etc. Just gotta throw your best 4 and hope for the best. Curious has been the most consistent this season, even though he looked clueless in that game.
Yeah I was thinking that too before we started. Seemed kind of weird to send out Panic in the playoffs. Maybe Avenge is just not doing well lately in practice?
Avenge is doing poorly enough in practice to be the starting player on Thursday if the match even happens, which it most likely won't.
oh yea didn't even notice that. idk why he didnt play today, then. Could have just gone with a different starter and put Avenge not first. Like maybe open with Hack?
Coach has a lot of faith in Panic, just as he did in Avenge last season bringing him into the main lineup. (given they really did need a toss)
That said, I think Avenge is much better against zerg.
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