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On November 13 2013 20:14 Fjodorov wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 20:12 Calthrash wrote:
I feel like the casters are hyping Innos TvZ a bit too much, a lot has changed in the past few months. That coupled with the mine nerf, I dont think YoungJoo winning is THAT impossible. His TvT has not looked very sharp and lately his TvP hasnt looked very good either but I think his TvZ is still one of the absolute best in the world. Last time I saw it was a week or two ago in GSTL, dunno who the zerg was (on frost) but Innovation dominated him like it was GM vs gold player. Seriously.
That was Lucky... and he's been playing like a Gold player this past month to be completely honest... His WCS America Challenger League games were 0/10, wouldn't watch ever. So glad he fell out of Challenger League after that... :o
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On November 13 2013 20:17 GumBa wrote:
I literally in love with Bogus
That´s sad, because he will never be able to reciprocate those feelings. 
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On November 13 2013 20:18 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 20:10 dreamseller wrote:
seemed like such a nice opening from ryung, they were both on equal footing besides the upgrades.. but why was that fight so one sided? not enough vikings? starport too late? the upgrades is such a big part in this match-up. thats why terrans are always hitting with everythign including all scvs when all their upgrades complete dear went for a midgame army composition (stalker colo) and attacked when his upgrades finished. what ryung needs to do that game is to sit behind a few bunkers until his upgrades complete and then they should be on even footing or terran ahead enough to kill dear with a scv pull ryung was in a good position but dears army will be stronger in that 1-2 minute timing window because of his army composition and the upgrade alignment
but couldnt he just deny ryungs third in that window and saturate his third and get storm? Cant make enough bunkers at both natural and third. Or did Dear cancel his own third?
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On November 13 2013 20:19 Daswollvieh wrote:That´s sad, because he will never be able to reciprocate those feelings.
I know 
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On November 13 2013 20:18 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 20:14 Fjodorov wrote:On November 13 2013 20:12 Calthrash wrote:
I feel like the casters are hyping Innos TvZ a bit too much, a lot has changed in the past few months. That coupled with the mine nerf, I dont think YoungJoo winning is THAT impossible. His TvT has not looked very sharp and lately his TvP hasnt looked very good either but I think his TvZ is still one of the absolute best in the world. Last time I saw it was a week or two ago in GSTL, dunno who the zerg was (on frost) but Innovation dominated him like it was GM vs gold player. Seriously. That was Lucky... and he's been playing like a Gold player this past month to be completely honest... His WCS America Challenger League games were 0/10, wouldn't watch ever. So glad he fell out of Challenger League after that... :o
Wait what? You talking about Inno?
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On November 13 2013 20:23 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 20:18 Elite_ wrote:On November 13 2013 20:14 Fjodorov wrote:On November 13 2013 20:12 Calthrash wrote:
I feel like the casters are hyping Innos TvZ a bit too much, a lot has changed in the past few months. That coupled with the mine nerf, I dont think YoungJoo winning is THAT impossible. His TvT has not looked very sharp and lately his TvP hasnt looked very good either but I think his TvZ is still one of the absolute best in the world. Last time I saw it was a week or two ago in GSTL, dunno who the zerg was (on frost) but Innovation dominated him like it was GM vs gold player. Seriously. That was Lucky... and he's been playing like a Gold player this past month to be completely honest... His WCS America Challenger League games were 0/10, wouldn't watch ever. So glad he fell out of Challenger League after that... :o Wait what? You talking about Inno?
haha no, hes talking about the player named Lucky. Not Innovation getting lucky 
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Oh Wolf, give Tassadar a break pls
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On November 13 2013 20:23 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 20:18 Elite_ wrote:On November 13 2013 20:14 Fjodorov wrote:On November 13 2013 20:12 Calthrash wrote:
I feel like the casters are hyping Innos TvZ a bit too much, a lot has changed in the past few months. That coupled with the mine nerf, I dont think YoungJoo winning is THAT impossible. His TvT has not looked very sharp and lately his TvP hasnt looked very good either but I think his TvZ is still one of the absolute best in the world. Last time I saw it was a week or two ago in GSTL, dunno who the zerg was (on frost) but Innovation dominated him like it was GM vs gold player. Seriously. That was Lucky... and he's been playing like a Gold player this past month to be completely honest... His WCS America Challenger League games were 0/10, wouldn't watch ever. So glad he fell out of Challenger League after that... :o Wait what? You talking about Inno?
You didn't read the quote, did you?
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On November 13 2013 20:23 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 20:18 Elite_ wrote:On November 13 2013 20:14 Fjodorov wrote:On November 13 2013 20:12 Calthrash wrote:
I feel like the casters are hyping Innos TvZ a bit too much, a lot has changed in the past few months. That coupled with the mine nerf, I dont think YoungJoo winning is THAT impossible. His TvT has not looked very sharp and lately his TvP hasnt looked very good either but I think his TvZ is still one of the absolute best in the world. Last time I saw it was a week or two ago in GSTL, dunno who the zerg was (on frost) but Innovation dominated him like it was GM vs gold player. Seriously. That was Lucky... and he's been playing like a Gold player this past month to be completely honest... His WCS America Challenger League games were 0/10, wouldn't watch ever. So glad he fell out of Challenger League after that... :o Wait what? You talking about Inno?
Nope. You can drop your knife.
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On November 13 2013 20:22 Fjodorov wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 20:18 MorroW wrote:On November 13 2013 20:10 dreamseller wrote:
seemed like such a nice opening from ryung, they were both on equal footing besides the upgrades.. but why was that fight so one sided? not enough vikings? starport too late? the upgrades is such a big part in this match-up. thats why terrans are always hitting with everythign including all scvs when all their upgrades complete dear went for a midgame army composition (stalker colo) and attacked when his upgrades finished. what ryung needs to do that game is to sit behind a few bunkers until his upgrades complete and then they should be on even footing or terran ahead enough to kill dear with a scv pull ryung was in a good position but dears army will be stronger in that 1-2 minute timing window because of his army composition and the upgrade alignment but couldnt he just deny ryungs third in that window and saturate his third and get storm? Cant make enough bunkers at both natural and third. Or did Dear cancel his own third?
he could have had the bunkers where the fight took place which is the ideal place for the protoss to fight. if he went into the natural the vikings would have been harder to take care of and alot of protoss firepower would have been ai fucked by attackign the command center or other random stuff thats not the actual army of ryung
no he didnt cancel the 3rd base. and yes its not a must-kill for dear but im just saying what ryung needs for the game to keep going, theres no way he wins that fight in the open during those upgrades and army values with the double timewarp
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Innovation going for a starport instead of a 3rd CC right away, blasphemy!
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On November 13 2013 20:24 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 20:23 GumBa wrote:On November 13 2013 20:18 Elite_ wrote:On November 13 2013 20:14 Fjodorov wrote:On November 13 2013 20:12 Calthrash wrote:
I feel like the casters are hyping Innos TvZ a bit too much, a lot has changed in the past few months. That coupled with the mine nerf, I dont think YoungJoo winning is THAT impossible. His TvT has not looked very sharp and lately his TvP hasnt looked very good either but I think his TvZ is still one of the absolute best in the world. Last time I saw it was a week or two ago in GSTL, dunno who the zerg was (on frost) but Innovation dominated him like it was GM vs gold player. Seriously. That was Lucky... and he's been playing like a Gold player this past month to be completely honest... His WCS America Challenger League games were 0/10, wouldn't watch ever. So glad he fell out of Challenger League after that... :o Wait what? You talking about Inno? You didn't read the quote, did you?
Yeah I did I just misunderstood what you said sorry.
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Is this mech?
Edit: Ah, no, there's Stim
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On November 13 2013 20:26 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 20:22 Fjodorov wrote:On November 13 2013 20:18 MorroW wrote:On November 13 2013 20:10 dreamseller wrote:
seemed like such a nice opening from ryung, they were both on equal footing besides the upgrades.. but why was that fight so one sided? not enough vikings? starport too late? the upgrades is such a big part in this match-up. thats why terrans are always hitting with everythign including all scvs when all their upgrades complete dear went for a midgame army composition (stalker colo) and attacked when his upgrades finished. what ryung needs to do that game is to sit behind a few bunkers until his upgrades complete and then they should be on even footing or terran ahead enough to kill dear with a scv pull ryung was in a good position but dears army will be stronger in that 1-2 minute timing window because of his army composition and the upgrade alignment but couldnt he just deny ryungs third in that window and saturate his third and get storm? Cant make enough bunkers at both natural and third. Or did Dear cancel his own third? he could have had the bunkers where the fight took place which is the ideal place for the protoss to fight. if he went into the natural the vikings would have been harder to take care of and alot of protoss firepower would have been ai fucked by attackign the command center or other random stuff thats not the actual army of ryung no he didnt cancel the 3rd base. and yes its not a must-kill for dear but im just saying what ryung needs for the game to keep going, theres no way he wins that fight in the open during those upgrades and army values with the double timewarp
aye I see. Yeah ive seen terrans defending surprisingly well at the natural with that high ground and ai being messed up.
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im a bit worried that the ebays are very late.
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On November 13 2013 20:24 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 20:23 GumBa wrote:On November 13 2013 20:18 Elite_ wrote:On November 13 2013 20:14 Fjodorov wrote:On November 13 2013 20:12 Calthrash wrote:
I feel like the casters are hyping Innos TvZ a bit too much, a lot has changed in the past few months. That coupled with the mine nerf, I dont think YoungJoo winning is THAT impossible. His TvT has not looked very sharp and lately his TvP hasnt looked very good either but I think his TvZ is still one of the absolute best in the world. Last time I saw it was a week or two ago in GSTL, dunno who the zerg was (on frost) but Innovation dominated him like it was GM vs gold player. Seriously. That was Lucky... and he's been playing like a Gold player this past month to be completely honest... His WCS America Challenger League games were 0/10, wouldn't watch ever. So glad he fell out of Challenger League after that... :o Wait what? You talking about Inno? Nope. You can drop your knife.
I love knifing though
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I understand now why Innovation wanted to show his TvT, seems to have worked on his banshee micro.
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EPT
