• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 09:07
CET 15:07
KST 23:07
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview5RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2
Community News
BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion6Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets4$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)16Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns7[BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 105
StarCraft 2
General
Stellar Fest "01" Jersey Charity Auction SC2 All-Star Invitational: Tournament Preview Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets When will we find out if there are more tournament SC2 Spotted on the EWC 2026 list?
Tourneys
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SC2 AI Tournament 2026 $21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) OSC Season 13 World Championship
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 508 Violent Night Mutation # 507 Well Trained Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion BSL Season 2025 - Full Overview and Conclusion Video Footage from 2005: The Birth of G2 in Spain [ASL21] Potential Map Candidates
Tourneys
[BSL21] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10 Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Awesome Games Done Quick 2026! Nintendo Switch Thread Mechabellum
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Physical Exercise (HIIT) Bef…
TrAiDoS
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1169 users

[WCS Finals] Day 3 Season 3 Grand Finals 2013 - Page 52

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 50 51 52 53 54 308 Next
Please avoid balance whining as usual.
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
October 27 2013 19:05 GMT
#1021
On October 28 2013 04:04 Fjodorov wrote:
Just joined the party. SK vs Oz must have been very long games I guess considering it was 3 - 0 but this match is just starting.

Game 2 was pretty long, Trap had technical issues so we just lost like 20 minutes.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
October 27 2013 19:05 GMT
#1022
On October 28 2013 04:01 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 03:59 Hryul wrote:
On October 28 2013 03:58 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
yo guys, any chance they play a handful of games today??

man aren't you a bit impolite for a Canadian?



maybe? I dont know?


Well I think the Royal Canadian Mounted Police is already on its way. Being rude on the internet is a serious crime!
Countdown to victory: 1 200!
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 27 2013 19:06 GMT
#1023
On October 28 2013 04:04 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 03:54 jeeeeohn wrote:
On October 28 2013 03:51 Qwerty85 wrote:
On October 28 2013 03:48 Plansix wrote:
On October 28 2013 03:46 Qwerty85 wrote:
On October 28 2013 03:42 pms wrote:
On October 28 2013 03:38 Qwerty85 wrote:
On October 28 2013 03:29 pms wrote:
On October 28 2013 03:25 Qwerty85 wrote:
On October 28 2013 03:20 Zheryn wrote:
[quote]

Everyone's excited that we might have a foreigner at the biggest SC2 event, so why wouldn't we talk about it? It's the most interesting story during this tournament and if he makes it, Blizzcon will be so much more fun to watch for most players and most likely have 20k more viewers than if he doesn't.


There is probably as many people who dislike Naniwa as those who like him. So you are not speaking on behalf on everyone. But regardless of that, this is a LR thread for a tournament Naniwa isn't even in, so I agree with anyone who finds constant Naniwa chance speculation irritating.



Every time Naniwa wins, there are tons of people expressing "how they don't like him blah blah blah", instead of talking about the actual games. We have to stand it. Now, you can stand the fact that, chances are, we will have a one SINGLE foreigner in the WCS Global Final. There are many people who care about that.


If you love the game you shouldn't care if there are koreans or foreigners in it. You should be in it for the games.Quality games. Everybody has his favorite player and if you said Naniwa is your favorite and that is the reason you want him at Blizzcon it would be ok. But from your statement it seems that you simply want non korean, basically white people in it, for sole reason of them being non korean.That is kind of racist.


Hahaha... Seriously? :D

The funniest thing I've heard in the long time! You must've been joking.

Yes, Naniwa is my fav players, but I also always cheer for foreigners. This is rasism, really?



Well you were the one who said people should talk about actual games but you talk about a player who isn't even in this tournament and about popularity of koreans / non koreans and our chances of having SINGLE non korean at the next big tournament.

Maybe you should follow your own advice and concentrate on the games and we can debate about Naniwa at Blizzcon (if he makes it there)

Maybe you should spend less time calling people racist because they want to see a player they like make it to Blizzcon. I know its weird, but sometimes it has nothing to do with race.


There was nothing in his post that would indicate he wants Naniwa in because he is a fan, he said " chances are, we will have a one SINGLE foreigner in the WCS Global Final. There are many people who care about that."

That sounds racist to me because it sounds like he doesn't care who it is as long as it is some foreigner dude. But later he said he is Naniwa fan so I guess he wants him there for that reason.

But the main point stands. There is no Naniwa in this tournament and he himself said we should focus more on actual games, so lets do that, shall we? At least I will and from now I will completely ignore all post containing Naniwa in it.


You're confusing racism with nationalism. If I was Korean, I'd be happy with Korean players. But since I'm a "foreigner," I'll settle for any foreigner. It's not so much about race as it is about representation. I can't identify with Korean players, their dominance, performance, etc. I can, however, identify with the underdog, the "foreigner," since that's the demographic I happen to fall into, in terms of Starcraft.


Here's my question. How come you don't have any standards when it comes to cheering for foreigners? I'm all for being nationalistic as I cheer for canadians in under represented sports like basketball, football, baseball, etc, but I don't blindly cheer for all canadians. I have standards, so cheer for people like steve nash, etc and would never cheer for a bm/douchebag cdn just because they were cdn.

My problem with the community has always been is they turn bm players like naniwa/idra into heroes and those two represent the stereotype of bm/raging/anti social image that the mainstream have of gamers. When gamers make players like that their heroes, they embrace that stereotype which is why gamers will never earn the respect of the mainstream and I can't blame them for that. Until the community and gamers in general can clear up their immaturity/misogynist image, they will never be taken seriously.


Yeh you could probably take this discussion to some place else.

Just be here to talk about the games and bring the passion
Zerg for Life
robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
October 27 2013 19:06 GMT
#1024
On October 28 2013 04:04 Fjodorov wrote:
Just joined the party. SK vs Oz must have been very long games I guess considering it was 3 - 0 but this match is just starting.


45 minute downtime because of Trap's PC.
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
October 27 2013 19:07 GMT
#1025
On October 28 2013 04:04 packrat386 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 04:00 packrat386 wrote:
(Z)ByuL vs (P)Trap
0 - 0
Map: Polar Night

0:00
Byul is at the bottom
Trap is at the top



1:00
nothing too interesting yet
restarted completely btw
pylon in base for trap
gateway in base for trap
the probe will block the hatch, but its not there

2:00
pool first and then hatch at the third
no nexus for Trap yet

3:00
a zealot starts even after seeing the pool
trap getting fast Wg then expand

4:00
the pylon is killed and the third hatch goes down
2nd gas goes down for trap[/QUOTE]

5:00
Byul taking some gas
2 gates otw for trap
zealot and stalker killing some lings out on the map

6:00
roach warren goes down
robo placed for trap
pylon in the middle of the map near the natural
its spotted but survives

7:00
there aren;t many units out for trap
byul is making a good amount of roaches

8:00
trap is making immortals
byul has no lair and is getting a lot more gas
several more gates on the way for trap
many lings and speed otw for byul
dreaming of a sunny day
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
October 27 2013 19:07 GMT
#1026
Can Trap live up to his team name?
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17725 Posts
October 27 2013 19:07 GMT
#1027
why don't protoss ever do a full walloff and then take the back expansion, blistering sands style?
"Expert" mods4ever.com
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
October 27 2013 19:07 GMT
#1028
Six is not an odd gateway number. That's an even gateway number!
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
October 27 2013 19:08 GMT
#1029
those force fields were realllllly bad.

slow and missed
xlnqeniuz
Profile Joined October 2013
Netherlands30 Posts
October 27 2013 19:08 GMT
#1030
Trap got trapped!
MARINEKING! ~ PIGLET! <3 - Yoona! *_*
jeeeeohn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States1343 Posts
October 27 2013 19:08 GMT
#1031
On October 28 2013 04:04 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 03:54 jeeeeohn wrote:
On October 28 2013 03:51 Qwerty85 wrote:
On October 28 2013 03:48 Plansix wrote:
On October 28 2013 03:46 Qwerty85 wrote:
On October 28 2013 03:42 pms wrote:
On October 28 2013 03:38 Qwerty85 wrote:
On October 28 2013 03:29 pms wrote:
On October 28 2013 03:25 Qwerty85 wrote:
On October 28 2013 03:20 Zheryn wrote:
[quote]

Everyone's excited that we might have a foreigner at the biggest SC2 event, so why wouldn't we talk about it? It's the most interesting story during this tournament and if he makes it, Blizzcon will be so much more fun to watch for most players and most likely have 20k more viewers than if he doesn't.


There is probably as many people who dislike Naniwa as those who like him. So you are not speaking on behalf on everyone. But regardless of that, this is a LR thread for a tournament Naniwa isn't even in, so I agree with anyone who finds constant Naniwa chance speculation irritating.



Every time Naniwa wins, there are tons of people expressing "how they don't like him blah blah blah", instead of talking about the actual games. We have to stand it. Now, you can stand the fact that, chances are, we will have a one SINGLE foreigner in the WCS Global Final. There are many people who care about that.


If you love the game you shouldn't care if there are koreans or foreigners in it. You should be in it for the games.Quality games. Everybody has his favorite player and if you said Naniwa is your favorite and that is the reason you want him at Blizzcon it would be ok. But from your statement it seems that you simply want non korean, basically white people in it, for sole reason of them being non korean.That is kind of racist.


Hahaha... Seriously? :D

The funniest thing I've heard in the long time! You must've been joking.

Yes, Naniwa is my fav players, but I also always cheer for foreigners. This is rasism, really?



Well you were the one who said people should talk about actual games but you talk about a player who isn't even in this tournament and about popularity of koreans / non koreans and our chances of having SINGLE non korean at the next big tournament.

Maybe you should follow your own advice and concentrate on the games and we can debate about Naniwa at Blizzcon (if he makes it there)

Maybe you should spend less time calling people racist because they want to see a player they like make it to Blizzcon. I know its weird, but sometimes it has nothing to do with race.


There was nothing in his post that would indicate he wants Naniwa in because he is a fan, he said " chances are, we will have a one SINGLE foreigner in the WCS Global Final. There are many people who care about that."

That sounds racist to me because it sounds like he doesn't care who it is as long as it is some foreigner dude. But later he said he is Naniwa fan so I guess he wants him there for that reason.

But the main point stands. There is no Naniwa in this tournament and he himself said we should focus more on actual games, so lets do that, shall we? At least I will and from now I will completely ignore all post containing Naniwa in it.


You're confusing racism with nationalism. If I was Korean, I'd be happy with Korean players. But since I'm a "foreigner," I'll settle for any foreigner. It's not so much about race as it is about representation. I can't identify with Korean players, their dominance, performance, etc. I can, however, identify with the underdog, the "foreigner," since that's the demographic I happen to fall into, in terms of Starcraft.


Here's my question. How come you don't have any standards when it comes to cheering for foreigners? I'm all for being nationalistic as I cheer for canadians in under represented sports like basketball, football, baseball, etc, but I don't blindly cheer for all canadians. I have standards, so cheer for people like steve nash, etc and would never cheer for a bm/douchebag cdn just because they were cdn.

My problem with the community has always been is they turn bm players like naniwa/idra into heroes and those two represent the stereotype of bm/raging/anti social image that the mainstream have of gamers. When gamers make players like that their heroes, they embrace that stereotype which is why gamers will never earn the respect of the mainstream and I can't blame them for that. Until the community and gamers in general can clear up their immature/misogynist image, they will never be taken seriously.


I actually agree with you. For me, it's just a case of "I'll take what I can get." I don't particularly care for Naniwa (I don't dislike him either), but I'll root for him.

As for what you said about gamers' images, you're absolutely correct. Any culture that actively uses the word "rape" lightheartedly is destined to be shunned.
If you can't jam with the best, then you have to slam with the rest.
robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
October 27 2013 19:08 GMT
#1032
wow bad mismicro from trap...
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
October 27 2013 19:08 GMT
#1033
On October 28 2013 04:07 Shellshock wrote:
Can Trap live up to his team name?


Well, it certainly was a trap

only, he was the one trapped
AdministratorBreak the chains
Fhiz
Profile Joined October 2013
361 Posts
October 27 2013 19:08 GMT
#1034
so wait who do we want to win this game? (in sight of nani wa HOPE)
girls generation make u feel da heat
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 27 2013 19:09 GMT
#1035
Really great defence from Byul, so hard to hold that with just Roach, Ling and he did it perfectly
Zerg for Life
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
October 27 2013 19:09 GMT
#1036
On October 28 2013 04:08 Fhiz wrote:
so wait who do we want to win this game? (in sight of nani wa HOPE)


Does not matter.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
bourne117
Profile Joined May 2010
United States837 Posts
October 27 2013 19:09 GMT
#1037
On October 28 2013 04:07 Die4Ever wrote:
why don't protoss ever do a full walloff and then take the back expansion, blistering sands style?

Because it isn't a true back expansion. You can attack it from the normal third base
QO Feasting
Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
October 27 2013 19:09 GMT
#1038
On October 28 2013 04:08 Fhiz wrote:
so wait who do we want to win this game? (in sight of nani wa HOPE)

doesn't matter. whoever is weaker against Soulkey.
Countdown to victory: 1 200!
robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
October 27 2013 19:09 GMT
#1039
People been whining about toss the whole tournament. But by the looks of it the final 4 might very well be 1 toss 2 zerg and a terran.
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
October 27 2013 19:10 GMT
#1040
On October 28 2013 04:07 packrat386 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2013 04:04 packrat386 wrote:
On October 28 2013 04:00 packrat386 wrote:
(Z)ByuL vs (P)Trap
0 - 0
Map: Polar Night

0:00
Byul is at the bottom
Trap is at the top


1:00
nothing too interesting yet
restarted completely btw
pylon in base for trap
gateway in base for trap
the probe will block the hatch, but its not there

2:00
pool first and then hatch at the third
no nexus for Trap yet

3:00
a zealot starts even after seeing the pool
trap getting fast Wg then expand

4:00
the pylon is killed and the third hatch goes down
2nd gas goes down for trap


5:00
Byul taking some gas
2 gates otw for trap
zealot and stalker killing some lings out on the map

6:00
roach warren goes down
robo placed for trap
pylon in the middle of the map near the natural
its spotted but survives

7:00
there aren;t many units out for trap
byul is making a good amount of roaches

8:00
trap is making immortals
byul has no lair and is getting a lot more gas
several more gates on the way for trap
many lings and speed otw for byul


9:00
byulis making a lot more lings
lair is quite late
trap is looking to flank
the army gets surrounded

10:00
one immortal falls
trap loses a lot of sentries

11:00
trap probes the nat but then circles around to the third and tries to do damage
40 probes to 47 drones
trap still can't get too much done

12:00
trap goes home and might attempt a sentry drop
it gets spotted while the roaches take the map
dreaming of a sunny day
Prev 1 50 51 52 53 54 308 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
12:00
Season 13 World Championship
Nicoract vs JumyLIVE!
Gerald vs MaNa
Creator vs TBD
WardiTV1313
LiquipediaDiscussion
Sparkling Tuna Cup
10:00
Weekly #117
ByuN vs CreatorLIVE!
CranKy Ducklings171
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 6216
Calm 5669
Shuttle 1918
Soma 806
Larva 769
Stork 660
EffOrt 571
BeSt 529
Hm[arnc] 436
actioN 417
[ Show more ]
Light 356
ggaemo 303
Rush 205
Mini 167
NaDa 146
Sharp 133
Last 111
Hyun 105
Aegong 98
Leta 68
Nal_rA 59
yabsab 58
JulyZerg 58
Movie 53
910 40
Sexy 28
GoRush 27
HiyA 19
Sacsri 18
ivOry 17
Terrorterran 12
JYJ 10
Icarus 8
Noble 8
SilentControl 5
Dota 2
Gorgc6127
singsing3208
qojqva1910
XcaliburYe240
syndereN134
Counter-Strike
byalli1490
x6flipin832
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor244
Other Games
B2W.Neo1600
Liquid`RaSZi1318
crisheroes368
Hui .215
Fuzer 187
DeMusliM100
White-Ra79
Mew2King47
KnowMe31
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2595
StarCraft 2
ComeBackTV 336
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 77
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Laughngamez YouTube
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2437
League of Legends
• Jankos3290
• Stunt588
Upcoming Events
BSL 21
5h 54m
Bonyth vs Sziky
Mihu vs QiaoGege
Sziky vs XuanXuan
eOnzErG vs QiaoGege
Mihu vs DuGu
Dewalt vs Bonyth
IPSL
5h 54m
Dewalt vs Sziky
Replay Cast
18h 54m
Wardi Open
21h 54m
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 2h
The PondCast
2 days
Big Brain Bouts
5 days
Serral vs TBD
BSL 21
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S1: W4
Big Gabe Cup #3
NA Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
OSC Championship Season 13
Underdog Cup #3
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W5
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Rongyi Cup S3
Nations Cup 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.