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Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
October 21 2013 04:06 GMT
#2001
On October 21 2013 13:05 Sufinsil wrote:
No muta armor. No muta shutting down production again.

are you kidding me? he was on 0 muta armor with the way he was engaging marines?

i don't think i can even pretend that's "ballsy," it's just really really bad
Baroninthetree
Profile Joined August 2012
United States473 Posts
October 21 2013 04:06 GMT
#2002
these game are so high level
multitaksing everywhere
It feels like they'r dance all over the map
Diogenes
Profile Joined January 2012
United States132 Posts
October 21 2013 04:06 GMT
#2003
People are overgeneralizing supply. Polt has been ahead all game, it's byul who has been just delaying for time by staying on tier 2 for so long in every game while not teching whatsever. Polt can tell because he's can tell the gas being mined based on number of bases and the huge amount of gas spent on banelings. You can't take on 3-3 bio just staying on tier 2 as zerg. You need to build up a gas bank and get to a surge of tier 3 ultras. Byul overbuilt drones in the beginning and let polt keep trading well negating the drone advantage.

It's gas mined that matters anyways at that point, not drone number.
"When Godzilla attacks, he advances rather than retreats. We can use this to our advantage."
hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
October 21 2013 04:06 GMT
#2004
On October 21 2013 13:05 Onos wrote:
Terran on 20 SCVs for the last 20 minutes. Doesn't matter. Losing his bases multiple times, doesn't matter.


To Polt's credit, he was extremely cost-efficient with his units.
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
October 21 2013 04:06 GMT
#2005
On October 21 2013 13:06 Waise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 13:05 Sufinsil wrote:
No muta armor. No muta shutting down production again.

are you kidding me? he was on 0 muta armor with the way he was engaging marines?

i don't think i can even pretend that's "ballsy," it's just really really bad


I don't think he had 0 armor, mutas seemed fairly beefy when engaging marines head on.
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
October 21 2013 04:06 GMT
#2006
On October 21 2013 13:05 Waise wrote:
total respect to polt for coming back from a defecit, but lol @ terrans acting like it's somehow insane or unexpected for terran to make that kind of comeback in tvz


Uhmm, terran has been considered the weakest lately, not winning tournaments very much. So this kind of play was very good! Byul played great too.

Really liking this finals!
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vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
October 21 2013 04:06 GMT
#2007
On October 21 2013 13:05 Onos wrote:
Terran on 20 SCVs for the last 20 minutes. Doesn't matter. Losing his bases multiple times, doesn't matter.


ByuL didnt snipe the orbitals with his muta flock and let Polt continue to get up scrappy bases, while not being able to hold more than 1-2 bases of his own.
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
October 21 2013 04:06 GMT
#2008
On October 21 2013 13:05 hansonslee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 13:03 Oboeman wrote:
On October 21 2013 13:03 hansonslee wrote:
This is why you need Infestors and T3. Silly ByuL

he tried that too!


What means Terrans like Polt will kick ByuL's ass >:D

If you look at the GSL zergs, they have been using infestors and T3 to stomp the MMMM aggression hard!


GSL Zergs - Soo - won with muta ling bane.
DRG - won with muta ling bane.
Curious - relied hard on muta ling bane and used map distance on frost to get to T3.

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Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
October 21 2013 04:07 GMT
#2009
On October 21 2013 13:05 Onos wrote:
Terran on 20 SCVs for the last 20 minutes. Doesn't matter. Losing his bases multiple times, doesn't matter.


Retaking bases everytime he lost one, not losing medivacs + putting zerg in the same situation as you

If zerg can get gas, Marines reign supreme.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
October 21 2013 04:07 GMT
#2010
On October 21 2013 13:05 Onos wrote:
Terran on 20 SCVs for the last 20 minutes. Doesn't matter. Losing his bases multiple times, doesn't matter.

Terran killing off his SCVs and relying mostly on mules in the lategame has been a common strategy for years.
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geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8251 Posts
October 21 2013 04:07 GMT
#2011
On October 21 2013 13:04 Darkhoarse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 13:04 geokilla wrote:
Poll: Recommend Polt vs Byul Game 5?

Best Game (70)
 
86%

No (6)
 
7%

Yes (5)
 
6%

81 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Polt vs Byul Game 5?

(Vote): Best Game
(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No


Game 5?

Well no one is making polls... I don't even know LOL
JackRipper
Profile Joined August 2010
79 Posts
October 21 2013 04:07 GMT
#2012
Last game, he goes for hive tech units and gets surrounded and obliterated. This game, he goes for lair tech all game but still gets outplayed. Only one option left...
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
October 21 2013 04:07 GMT
#2013
On October 21 2013 13:05 Waise wrote:
total respect to polt for coming back from a defecit, but lol @ terrans acting like it's somehow insane or unexpected for terran to make that kind of comeback in tvz

Well byul never going for ultras I'd say lost him the game since it allowed Polt to just stay on pure marine medivac vm. Unexpected? Well that's past the phase of the game where people generally agree that 4M is really strong(the endless push). Polt just played better in the lategame
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 21 2013 04:07 GMT
#2014
Guys can we focus on how good the games are and not whine about balance please? Thank you
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Baroninthetree
Profile Joined August 2012
United States473 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-21 04:07:59
October 21 2013 04:07 GMT
#2015
On October 21 2013 13:06 stuchiu wrote:
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On October 21 2013 13:05 Green_25 wrote:
How the fuck do you beat this


Play better. There's no gimmicky way to beat Polt in a long series except to play better than him.

I have to agree this. You can win Polt, just outplay him, no tricky way in any direction.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 21 2013 04:08 GMT
#2016
On October 21 2013 13:07 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 13:04 Darkhoarse wrote:
On October 21 2013 13:04 geokilla wrote:
Poll: Recommend Polt vs Byul Game 5?

Best Game (70)
 
86%

No (6)
 
7%

Yes (5)
 
6%

81 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Polt vs Byul Game 5?

(Vote): Best Game
(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No


Game 5?

Well no one is making polls... I don't even know LOL

Well I ANTICIPATE that game 5 will be the best game
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geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8251 Posts
October 21 2013 04:08 GMT
#2017
On October 21 2013 13:06 Waise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 13:05 Sufinsil wrote:
No muta armor. No muta shutting down production again.

are you kidding me? he was on 0 muta armor with the way he was engaging marines?

i don't think i can even pretend that's "ballsy," it's just really really bad

That was definitely a blunder...

Is there such a thing as Zerg and Protoss building armour?
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
October 21 2013 04:08 GMT
#2018
On October 21 2013 13:06 hansonslee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 13:05 Onos wrote:
Terran on 20 SCVs for the last 20 minutes. Doesn't matter. Losing his bases multiple times, doesn't matter.


To Polt's credit, he was extremely cost-efficient with his units.


Polt had 20 scvs, but Byul had one mining base, sometimes 2. So that's 25~ drones of mining vs 20 scv's.

Cost-efficiency doesn't work like that though, since terran is expected to be more cost-efficient, and zerg can expand easier.
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Beakyboo
Profile Joined May 2010
United States485 Posts
October 21 2013 04:08 GMT
#2019
Polt likes to take a beating early on to enrage him and bring out his true potential. And he does it every single game. When he's down early on, it's actually intentional.
Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
October 21 2013 04:08 GMT
#2020
On October 21 2013 13:06 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2013 13:05 Waise wrote:
total respect to polt for coming back from a defecit, but lol @ terrans acting like it's somehow insane or unexpected for terran to make that kind of comeback in tvz


Uhmm, terran has been considered the weakest lately, not winning tournaments very much. So this kind of play was very good! Byul played great too.

ok? and that has what to do with the fact that it's fairly common for terrans to use marine production and multitasking to take control of a lategame where both players are struggling to establish bases and zerg is getting spread out across the map? seems you think i'm talking about balance, i'm not. i'm talking about the matchup. terrans make these comebacks frequently because their race is equipped to do so.
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