[IEM] New York Day 3 - Page 18

On October 13 2013 00:29 lolfail9001 wrote:

Yeah, Flash has some ridiculous luck, always gets the dealiest group of them all.

On October 13 2013 00:30 lolfail9001 wrote:

Not happening.

On October 13 2013 00:31 robson1 wrote:


You guys act like Flash is incapable of winning a all. He's still very good. Curious is also a beast ZvT who also, like DRG just won against Innovation. I don't think you can count out Flash.

On October 13 2013 00:26 robson1 wrote:


But two well placed bunkers on the high ground and you can sit out a blink all in until you get stim. And he scouted the all in soooo early, that he had more than enough time.

On October 13 2013 00:31 Darkhoarse wrote:

Yeah I mean people talk about his struggles in WCS but he's gotten ro16 in all three this year. Season one was Group of death, season 2 was Bomber, Innovation, Bbyong, and Season 3 was Parting/Maru/Kangho. He just lands in groups of death all the time.

On October 13 2013 00:31 robson1 wrote:


You guys act like Flash is incapable of winning a all. He's still very good. Curious is also a beast ZvT who also, like DRG just won against Innovation. I don't think you can count out Flash.

On October 13 2013 00:33 robson1 wrote:


People expect flash to be a championship contender. A championship contender has to be able to win against other championship contenders. If Flash fails the Group of Death thrice he's probably not top of the world.

On October 13 2013 00:32 Qwerty85 wrote:


You still need decent amount of units to fill the bunkers, otherwise they aren't worth anything. And since he opened cc 1st and oracle did some kills/damage on the marines Hack would never be able to get enough units.

Hack could havepositioned that bunker further away from the ramp, evacuated the main and have workers ready to repair, but even then it is hard to hold of because stalker numbers are high enough that bunker can be easily sniped.

Just remember that game between MMA and MC. Even though MMA scouted it early, put the bunker in the right place, even managed to snipe the MSC which gave him a lot of extra time, it was still hard to hold off.

So anyone who says that any diamond level terran should be able to hold blink all in that is scouted early is just plain wrong.
It is not a gimmicky strat (in a sense that it works only if it is not scouted and fails if scouted). It is actually strong regardless of the scouting.

On October 13 2013 00:35 robson1 wrote:


Of course a diamond terran could not hold an all in by naniwa. I was overstating. But I'd say after scanning the Blink. The ball is in Hack court. Had he played this out correctly he has a ~ 85% win chance from that point. He easily had enough units to fill 2 bunkers, he had scvs. Stim on the way. He just needed to buy some time because with stim the all in is pretty much over, if Toss has not completely snowballed the unit advantage before stim finished.