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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 12 2013 15:31 GMT
#341
Oh wait, more sOs madness at mlg's stream. With Qxc even, the NA version of guy with cool builds :D
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
October 12 2013 15:31 GMT
#342
Hello,i'm carmac ESL CEO and my staff mutes me.
RIP MKP
RiZu
Profile Joined February 2012
Singapore5715 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-12 15:32:08
October 12 2013 15:31 GMT
#343
If Flash doesn't make it... then it will be the third time a KT players fail to make it to the Ro8 of IEM. Flash please make it to the RO8.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 12 2013 15:31 GMT
#344
On October 13 2013 00:29 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2013 00:29 Darkhoarse wrote:
On October 13 2013 00:28 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 13 2013 00:27 Darkhoarse wrote:
On October 13 2013 00:26 BlackCompany wrote:
Imagine Flash winning it all

Oh god the hate about Terran would be insane

Judging by his play yesterday, I don't see him beating any of the highest level players here. First of all I can't see him beating DRG in ZvT, but if he does, he'll have to play Hyun then San. So probably not

Beating DRG in ZvT? Woah O_o. He had more chance against Hyun, San and whoever than DRG here.

I said I can't see him doing that.

Yeah, Flash has some ridiculous luck, always gets the dealiest group of them all.

Yeah I mean people talk about his struggles in WCS but he's gotten ro16 in all three this year. Season one was Group of death, season 2 was Bomber, Innovation, Bbyong, and Season 3 was Parting/Maru/Kangho. He just lands in groups of death all the time.
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robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
October 12 2013 15:31 GMT
#345
On October 13 2013 00:30 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2013 00:30 Wiggins8 wrote:
Now this is all or nothing for this tourney. Flash has to win!

Not happening.


You guys act like Flash is incapable of winning a all. He's still very good. Curious is also a beast ZvT who also, like DRG just won against Innovation. I don't think you can count out Flash.
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 12 2013 15:32 GMT
#346
On October 13 2013 00:31 robson1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2013 00:30 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 13 2013 00:30 Wiggins8 wrote:
Now this is all or nothing for this tourney. Flash has to win!

Not happening.


You guys act like Flash is incapable of winning a all. He's still very good. Curious is also a beast ZvT who also, like DRG just won against Innovation. I don't think you can count out Flash.

If he didn't have to play DRG, I would have some faith, but DRG has scary good ZvT.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
October 12 2013 15:32 GMT
#347
On October 13 2013 00:26 robson1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2013 00:22 TheDwf wrote:
On October 13 2013 00:20 robson1 wrote:
On October 13 2013 00:19 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 13 2013 00:18 teddyoojo wrote:
this is why people hate protoss

Sadly, this. Man, i loved HerO's games against qxc yesterday so much T_T


Guys. Any Diamond terran should be able to hold a blink all in that is scouted THAT early. Quit crying about toss.

Are you insane? Even at high level, it's very common to lose scouted Protoss all-ins. Scouting them changes nothing to their objective strength.


But two well placed bunkers on the high ground and you can sit out a blink all in until you get stim. And he scouted the all in soooo early, that he had more than enough time.


You still need decent amount of units to fill the bunkers, otherwise they aren't worth anything. And since he opened cc 1st and oracle did some kills/damage on the marines Hack would never be able to get enough units.

Hack could havepositioned that bunker further away from the ramp, evacuated the main and have workers ready to repair, but even then it is hard to hold of because stalker numbers are high enough that bunker can be easily sniped.

Just remember that game between MMA and MC. Even though MMA scouted it early, put the bunker in the right place, even managed to snipe the MSC which gave him a lot of extra time, it was still hard to hold off.

So anyone who says that any diamond level terran should be able to hold blink all in that is scouted early is just plain wrong.
It is not a gimmicky strat (in a sense that it works only if it is not scouted and fails if scouted). It is actually strong regardless of the scouting.
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
October 12 2013 15:33 GMT
#348
Flash vs DRG will be interesting series no matter what happens.

I guess I have to cheer for Flash since he is the last terran.
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
October 12 2013 15:33 GMT
#349
On October 13 2013 00:31 Darkhoarse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2013 00:29 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 13 2013 00:29 Darkhoarse wrote:
On October 13 2013 00:28 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 13 2013 00:27 Darkhoarse wrote:
On October 13 2013 00:26 BlackCompany wrote:
Imagine Flash winning it all

Oh god the hate about Terran would be insane

Judging by his play yesterday, I don't see him beating any of the highest level players here. First of all I can't see him beating DRG in ZvT, but if he does, he'll have to play Hyun then San. So probably not

Beating DRG in ZvT? Woah O_o. He had more chance against Hyun, San and whoever than DRG here.

I said I can't see him doing that.

Yeah, Flash has some ridiculous luck, always gets the dealiest group of them all.

Yeah I mean people talk about his struggles in WCS but he's gotten ro16 in all three this year. Season one was Group of death, season 2 was Bomber, Innovation, Bbyong, and Season 3 was Parting/Maru/Kangho. He just lands in groups of death all the time.


People expect flash to be a championship contender. A championship contender has to be able to win against other championship contenders. If Flash fails the Group of Death thrice he's probably not top of the world.
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-12 15:34:17
October 12 2013 15:33 GMT
#350
On October 13 2013 00:31 robson1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2013 00:30 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 13 2013 00:30 Wiggins8 wrote:
Now this is all or nothing for this tourney. Flash has to win!

Not happening.


You guys act like Flash is incapable of winning a all. He's still very good. Curious is also a beast ZvT who also, like DRG just won against Innovation. I don't think you can count out Flash.

Who denies that, but he always lands in groups from which he cannot advance from in SC2. Or gets reverse-swept in Ro8. If neither happens, he meets Life.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
October 12 2013 15:34 GMT
#351
This song. Instant Flash-back to IEM WC 2012 Highlight video. Good times.
forumtext
Profile Joined September 2011
575 Posts
October 12 2013 15:34 GMT
#352
Come on Flash!
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 12 2013 15:35 GMT
#353
On October 13 2013 00:33 robson1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2013 00:31 Darkhoarse wrote:
On October 13 2013 00:29 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 13 2013 00:29 Darkhoarse wrote:
On October 13 2013 00:28 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 13 2013 00:27 Darkhoarse wrote:
On October 13 2013 00:26 BlackCompany wrote:
Imagine Flash winning it all

Oh god the hate about Terran would be insane

Judging by his play yesterday, I don't see him beating any of the highest level players here. First of all I can't see him beating DRG in ZvT, but if he does, he'll have to play Hyun then San. So probably not

Beating DRG in ZvT? Woah O_o. He had more chance against Hyun, San and whoever than DRG here.

I said I can't see him doing that.

Yeah, Flash has some ridiculous luck, always gets the dealiest group of them all.

Yeah I mean people talk about his struggles in WCS but he's gotten ro16 in all three this year. Season one was Group of death, season 2 was Bomber, Innovation, Bbyong, and Season 3 was Parting/Maru/Kangho. He just lands in groups of death all the time.


People expect flash to be a championship contender. A championship contender has to be able to win against other championship contenders. If Flash fails the Group of Death thrice he's probably not top of the world.

Yeah but people say he is subpar based on those. He's not top of the world, but losing those groups doesn't make you bad.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
October 12 2013 15:35 GMT
#354
On October 13 2013 00:32 Qwerty85 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2013 00:26 robson1 wrote:
On October 13 2013 00:22 TheDwf wrote:
On October 13 2013 00:20 robson1 wrote:
On October 13 2013 00:19 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 13 2013 00:18 teddyoojo wrote:
this is why people hate protoss

Sadly, this. Man, i loved HerO's games against qxc yesterday so much T_T


Guys. Any Diamond terran should be able to hold a blink all in that is scouted THAT early. Quit crying about toss.

Are you insane? Even at high level, it's very common to lose scouted Protoss all-ins. Scouting them changes nothing to their objective strength.


But two well placed bunkers on the high ground and you can sit out a blink all in until you get stim. And he scouted the all in soooo early, that he had more than enough time.


You still need decent amount of units to fill the bunkers, otherwise they aren't worth anything. And since he opened cc 1st and oracle did some kills/damage on the marines Hack would never be able to get enough units.

Hack could havepositioned that bunker further away from the ramp, evacuated the main and have workers ready to repair, but even then it is hard to hold of because stalker numbers are high enough that bunker can be easily sniped.

Just remember that game between MMA and MC. Even though MMA scouted it early, put the bunker in the right place, even managed to snipe the MSC which gave him a lot of extra time, it was still hard to hold off.

So anyone who says that any diamond level terran should be able to hold blink all in that is scouted early is just plain wrong.
It is not a gimmicky strat (in a sense that it works only if it is not scouted and fails if scouted). It is actually strong regardless of the scouting.


Of course a diamond terran could not hold an all in by naniwa. I was overstating. But I'd say after scanning the Blink. The ball is in Hack court. Had he played this out correctly he has a ~ 85% win chance from that point. He easily had enough units to fill 2 bunkers, he had scvs. Stim on the way. He just needed to buy some time because with stim the all in is pretty much over, if Toss has not completely snowballed the unit advantage before stim finished.
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 12 2013 15:37 GMT
#355
On October 13 2013 00:35 robson1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2013 00:32 Qwerty85 wrote:
On October 13 2013 00:26 robson1 wrote:
On October 13 2013 00:22 TheDwf wrote:
On October 13 2013 00:20 robson1 wrote:
On October 13 2013 00:19 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 13 2013 00:18 teddyoojo wrote:
this is why people hate protoss

Sadly, this. Man, i loved HerO's games against qxc yesterday so much T_T


Guys. Any Diamond terran should be able to hold a blink all in that is scouted THAT early. Quit crying about toss.

Are you insane? Even at high level, it's very common to lose scouted Protoss all-ins. Scouting them changes nothing to their objective strength.


But two well placed bunkers on the high ground and you can sit out a blink all in until you get stim. And he scouted the all in soooo early, that he had more than enough time.


You still need decent amount of units to fill the bunkers, otherwise they aren't worth anything. And since he opened cc 1st and oracle did some kills/damage on the marines Hack would never be able to get enough units.

Hack could havepositioned that bunker further away from the ramp, evacuated the main and have workers ready to repair, but even then it is hard to hold of because stalker numbers are high enough that bunker can be easily sniped.

Just remember that game between MMA and MC. Even though MMA scouted it early, put the bunker in the right place, even managed to snipe the MSC which gave him a lot of extra time, it was still hard to hold off.

So anyone who says that any diamond level terran should be able to hold blink all in that is scouted early is just plain wrong.
It is not a gimmicky strat (in a sense that it works only if it is not scouted and fails if scouted). It is actually strong regardless of the scouting.


Of course a diamond terran could not hold an all in by naniwa. I was overstating. But I'd say after scanning the Blink. The ball is in Hack court. Had he played this out correctly he has a ~ 85% win chance from that point. He easily had enough units to fill 2 bunkers, he had scvs. Stim on the way. He just needed to buy some time because with stim the all in is pretty much over, if Toss has not completely snowballed the unit advantage before stim finished.

The main thing is, if you expect blink at all, you should know where the logical blink point is for Protoss, and should place bunkers accordingly.
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Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
October 12 2013 15:37 GMT
#356
Goddamn DRG. When did you become a cat?
Hello
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
October 12 2013 15:37 GMT
#357
Those DRG ears.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
October 12 2013 15:38 GMT
#358
DRG : P
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5523 Posts
October 12 2013 15:38 GMT
#359
DRKittie cat vs. Ultimate Weapon!
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44372 Posts
October 12 2013 15:38 GMT
#360
Came home from work just in time! Flash vs. DRG... what's DRG wearing? lol
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
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