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chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2606 Posts
October 09 2013 05:42 GMT
#41
ESL is really stupid to forbid cast of finals.

Less people watching = less people interested = worse conditions for EPS = less money for ESL

easy as that.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - aka cReAtiVee
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
October 09 2013 07:46 GMT
#42
Speaking for myself here and I would guess TaKe would sign it (but as said, personal opinion) and also to clear up stuff.

I like Mori as person, as caster I believe he is not as good as he could be, but I did tell him face to face. I think he improved greatly and when I couldn't watch him a couple of yeras back, I could certainly watch a stream of him nowadays. He got a lot more clue about the game now compared to his past and certainly is enjoyable even though I find some stuff strange haha. Everyone has his own style.

Now about casting games / finals. He has the rights to cast EPS so he's the main caster. He gets to pick a game he wants to cast and obviously the finals and we can cast the rest. While I personally believe its sad, because I grew up casting EPS actually and I've been doing it for a long time (not even mentioning TaKe who did it for all seasons besides the first (wc3) in which he played himself) so... I can understand people that say TaKe+NarutO (which honors me a lot, thank you!) are EPS.

I hope Mori doesn't suffer any hate/negativity from the decision that ESL made. He obviously is a competitor in the scene and a professional caster who needs to earn money as well. If its a smart choice by ESL, everyone can decide on their own. So while I personally find it sad and wish it would be different, I hope the scene doesn't go nuts about it

Take care and see you tuesday
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
ESLdaniel
Profile Joined November 2012
Germany29 Posts
October 15 2013 13:09 GMT
#43
Quick insight from the ESL point of view:

Our goal was to cover more matches and cause a bit more competition to improve quality for all viewers. If all casters are allowed to cast the 'best' matches, the effect is weaker and we might end up with two streams for the same amount of matches shown as before. This season we decided to get Mori on board as the main caster since he did a very good job with the German WCS casts. He has a different style than TakeTV and we wanted to give it a shot. For next season, we might re-evaluate our strategy, but for now, lets just enjoy the shows and the games, because both are doing a good job in their respective way to cast.

Stream-discussion aside, (Z)Hanfy recently called all EPS participants "easy to beat". Will be interesting to watch his performance tonight.

Any bets?
http://www.twitter.com/ESL_daniel
battleboy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany60 Posts
October 15 2013 13:24 GMT
#44
is goody playing today???
StarCraft <3
yoshi7319
Profile Joined December 2011
76 Posts
October 15 2013 17:07 GMT
#45
Grid Cup #2 can be found here

http://www.eslproseries.de/winter-2013/sc2-cup2/

bottom of the page
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8513 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 17:54:30
October 15 2013 17:50 GMT
#46
Yay NarutO casting with TaKe

//edit: Hm this seems over, Heromarine scouting the proxy SG and reacting perfectly to what Acro is doing.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
October 15 2013 18:00 GMT
#47
I always find it a shame if a player I am rooting for is eliminated in the very first round. Is there a reason why the bracket is not done with double elimination? I mean you have multiple casters now covering the event and only 16 players to begin with.
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8513 Posts
October 15 2013 18:18 GMT
#48
haha dat SCV pull by Revenge - too funny really :D
ESLdaniel
Profile Joined November 2012
Germany29 Posts
October 15 2013 18:19 GMT
#49
We are using single elimination in almost all our pro-competitions nowadays. It's closer to 'real' sports, which makes it easier to understand if you are not an esport-enthusiast in the first place and it makes every single game more important.

Also, while one could argue about playoffs or tournaments of higher importance, I feel like double elimination would be too much for a weekly cup that is played online and has only a couple hundred Euros prizemoney. But that's just my personal opinion.

http://www.twitter.com/ESL_daniel
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8513 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 18:28:46
October 15 2013 18:27 GMT
#50
wow CPU looking to beatHeromarine? Did not expect that at all. Well it's the first map only but still.

//edit: and god damn twitch giving me the finger - - so laggy...


//edit2: wow sick fight by Heromarine, maybe not over after all.
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8513 Posts
October 15 2013 18:32 GMT
#51
Heromarine with the way better micro in the fights, WP deserved there.
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4133 Posts
October 15 2013 18:35 GMT
#52
On October 16 2013 03:32 Doublemint wrote:
Heromarine with the way better micro in the fights, WP deserved there.

I dont call "micro" if someone does pre-split and one crucial emp.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
October 15 2013 18:38 GMT
#53
Ain't no deathball gonna break the wunderkind!
Cogito, ergo toss.
ClueClueClue
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1203 Posts
October 15 2013 18:39 GMT
#54
On October 16 2013 03:35 Dingodile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2013 03:32 Doublemint wrote:
Heromarine with the way better micro in the fights, WP deserved there.

I dont call "micro" if someone does pre-split and one crucial emp.


That was a shower of EMP:s and very nice zoning with the vikings while kiting backwards with bio. That's kind of the definition of micro.
Cogito, ergo toss.
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8513 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 18:40:36
October 15 2013 18:40 GMT
#55
On October 16 2013 03:35 Dingodile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2013 03:32 Doublemint wrote:
Heromarine with the way better micro in the fights, WP deserved there.

I dont call "micro" if someone does pre-split and one crucial emp.


Well I think one should tell you you are wrong then. Unit control including pre-splitting and correctly casting emps on HTs is a crucial part of the whole micro thing.
75
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4057 Posts
October 15 2013 18:51 GMT
#56
so only mori is casting the finals? that is kinda bad, imo.

take+naruto did a great job today
yo twitch, as long as I can watch 480p lagfree I'm happy
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8513 Posts
October 15 2013 18:54 GMT
#57
On October 16 2013 03:51 75 wrote:
so only mori is casting the finals? that is kinda bad, imo.

take+naruto did a great job today


This can't be true... why should they stop casting before the finals?
75
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4057 Posts
October 15 2013 18:56 GMT
#58
On October 16 2013 03:54 Doublemint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2013 03:51 75 wrote:
so only mori is casting the finals? that is kinda bad, imo.

take+naruto did a great job today


This can't be true... why should they stop casting before the finals?

oh, sorry then.

i thought take just said that they cant cast the finals but would like to do so.
yo twitch, as long as I can watch 480p lagfree I'm happy
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8513 Posts
October 15 2013 18:57 GMT
#59
On October 16 2013 03:56 75 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2013 03:54 Doublemint wrote:
On October 16 2013 03:51 75 wrote:
so only mori is casting the finals? that is kinda bad, imo.

take+naruto did a great job today


This can't be true... why should they stop casting before the finals?

oh, sorry then.

i thought take just said that they cant cast the finals but would like to do so.


I don't know what they said as I did not pay attention to the stream but just generally that does not make sense to me... of course I could be wrong and you are right but I stand by it that it would not make any sense.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
October 15 2013 18:57 GMT
#60
On October 16 2013 03:19 ESLdaniel wrote:
We are using single elimination in almost all our pro-competitions nowadays. It's closer to 'real' sports, which makes it easier to understand if you are not an esport-enthusiast in the first place and it makes every single game more important.

Also, while one could argue about playoffs or tournaments of higher importance, I feel like double elimination would be too much for a weekly cup that is played online and has only a couple hundred Euros prizemoney. But that's just my personal opinion.


Well, I don't think it is right to count this as a weekly cup. Yes, it takes place every week, but only during a special season. You can't compare it to something like go4sc2 sunday, which I would say is a weekly cup.

But either way, I wonder what the opinion of the players are. I mean if they are against playing double elim, then there is no reason to play it. Though if they want to play double elim, then there is no reason not to play it (as I doubt that the casters will mind).
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