[WCS AM] Ro32 Group F Premier Season 2 2013 - Page 19

On September 18 2013 19:20 Schelim wrote:

in other words, he's a foreigner. yeah, i agree.

On September 18 2013 20:06 Hider wrote:



Demuslim just did what he does every single tvz and every person on earth knows it: The cc first no scouting build. That build leaves you a bit vulnerable before you have wall off + hellions out which Suppy took advantage of in G2. Suppy probably just tested a build that was supposed to punish that exact timing. Demuslim had just been too lazy too test his own builds for various weakness's, and instead just uses a build that does well the majority of the time on the ladder.
In G1 he obv. had not taking into account that hte surface area for cc first was kinda bad on that map.

Both of the losses simply comes down to Suppy outsmarting Demusilm. Demuslim is a fantastic mechanical player, however he is either too lazy or too dumb to figure out how to play a serious of games and how to optimize build orders.

Its a bit of a shame that this kind of talent is just wasted, and I think Demuslim would benefit extremely much if EG had en experienced coach helping him to think about strategies.

On September 18 2013 20:22 Rhaegal wrote:
The one thing I'll agree with idra on is that Demuslim is the greediest player and a huge risk taker and not nearly as good as people.

I've been watching him mindlessly expand at the 3rd base at the 5 min mark in TvZ since the metalopolis days. Also see him go cc first, rax, cc in TvP.... His mechanics aren't the greatest and a lot of his wins come from eco cheese wins. Glad Suppy saw through it and punished him, perhaps it will incite Demuslim to play safer.

On September 18 2013 21:22 Hider wrote:


I wouldn't neccesarily call it greedy. For instance he gets a very early wall off at his natural usually so he is kinda safe against big speedling runs. He delays his 3rd a bit at the expense of this.

But the no-scouting comes at the expense of being exposed to builds you rarely see on the ladder. So smart players can just study his play and then develop "unusual" timings (such as 1base bling bust) to punish that style.
A real professional terran player would have a couple of zerg practice players that he spent time optimizing builds together with. There is nothing wrong with using a build that has weakness's, however the problem here is that whenever he plays a tvz he has the same weakness every single game.

If, just he had spent time practicing openings with a practice partner (instead of massing ladder just) he would have realized this weakness and would mix in other types of builds that easily could deflect a one base bling bust for instance.

On September 18 2013 22:25 4tre55 wrote:


You don't even have to mix in other builds, you can just scv scout on 15 an make a walloff at the top of your ramp with the
Rax and your Factory after floating the CC and your actually fine.

On September 18 2013 19:20 Schelim wrote:

in other words, he's a foreigner. yeah, i agree.

On September 19 2013 00:20 frontline- wrote:
Demu has been incredibly overrated since forever.

Yeah.

Placing once 4th in one of the weakest skillswise tournaments of ESL doesn't mean jack shit, sorry.

On September 19 2013 02:01 Hider wrote:


If you rate him on mechanics he IMO isn't overrated. Look how well he actually does the times he gets into the midgame in even shape. If you watch him since HOTS released he rarely actually loses those games, even against koreans.

Problem is that he is so awfull at early game. All 4 loses today is related to early game and that is quite typical of him.