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XiaoJoyce-
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
China2908 Posts
September 15 2013 14:51 GMT
#2081
Innovation vs FORGG!!! I wan this!
Pew! Pew! Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
September 15 2013 14:52 GMT
#2082
40 min break?
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-15 14:52:49
September 15 2013 14:52 GMT
#2083
On September 15 2013 23:50 FeyFey wrote:
I would really dislike the Worker pulls of Terran as well if it wouldn't be the fault of the Protoss that those are happening. But as long as Protoss does this insane tech run I don't care, if they still lose playing a bit more adapted then I would see a problem. (especially since my winrate vs Terran on Ladder is extremely high because of these pulls lol)


You have to tech rush this hard though since your third will be later than terran's. If you don't make your army super cost effective, terran just outmacroes you easily (see ForGG's playstyle who delays the protoss third and then just spams units across the map all game)
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
WoodenSky
Profile Joined September 2013
France66 Posts
September 15 2013 14:52 GMT
#2084
On September 15 2013 23:50 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2013 23:45 WoodenSky wrote:
On September 15 2013 23:43 unigolyn wrote:
On September 15 2013 23:42 WoodenSky wrote:
TvP really is utter crap right now.
wp bogus yu da man


The matchup has nothing to do with the fact that Elfi was floating 1k gas while on HT tech and just ran out of storms.


Yeah Elfi was the inferior player.
Would have been an SCV pull no matter the opponent though, so again : TvP really is utter crap right now


The logic behind the SCV will hold unless there's a change in the way Terran progress through the mid-game. Which would require some extensive reworking, so it's the nature of TvP until Legacy of the Void.

That it wins isn't the major problem, it's that it's the "highest % chance to win" is the problem.


Really? Cause I'd argue the problem is that it's one-dimensional and boring as fuck, haha.
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14461 Posts
September 15 2013 14:52 GMT
#2085
On September 15 2013 23:52 Noonius wrote:
40 min break?



I hope no.
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KaiserKieran
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States615 Posts
September 15 2013 14:52 GMT
#2086
Now that The only thing i ever wanted in life is gone, I want forgg to play Life. whoever wins will win the tourney. ForGG deserves at least a chance since he won't leave HyuN alone.
DifuntO
Profile Joined November 2011
Greece2376 Posts
September 15 2013 14:52 GMT
#2087
On September 15 2013 23:50 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2013 23:48 miniskirt wrote:
whatever happens, we're going to have two awesome TvT

Rather horrible as ForGG's TvT IMO notably better than MMA's and Inno's


ForGG vs MMA is gonna be good.MMA beat Flash and Ryung 2-0 yesterday.
All I do is Stim.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 15 2013 14:52 GMT
#2088
On September 15 2013 23:51 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
Innovation vs FORGG!!! I wan this!

Lol it just got to my attention that ForGG, if Mvp would be knocked out in group stages, had a shot to win whole thing hahahaha (WCS season 1 finals)
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9223 Posts
September 15 2013 14:53 GMT
#2089
On September 15 2013 23:52 Aeromi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2013 23:52 Noonius wrote:
40 min break?



I hope no.
Looks like it
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
Mocking
Profile Joined April 2013
Brazil52 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-15 14:54:17
September 15 2013 14:53 GMT
#2090
On September 15 2013 23:47 NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2013 23:46 Mocking wrote:
On September 15 2013 23:43 unigolyn wrote:
On September 15 2013 23:42 WoodenSky wrote:
TvP really is utter crap right now.
wp bogus yu da man


The matchup has nothing to do with the fact that Elfi was floating 1k gas while on HT tech and just ran out of storms.

The time when innovation have pushed, elfi was low on gas if 5-7 storms, but he need to spend his stoms on svcs. SVC pull is just dumb. Bomber have done the same thing over and over again vs any toss in wcs finals, and was just easy for him.


Sorry to put the truth here but you are dumb. A better Protoss would have easily defended what INnoVation did there with the setup that was given. Elfi really blew it hard. And you know, you can storm units even though scvs are present, because scvs deal no big damage, they only buffer. Storm doesn't need to go through scvs to deal damage.



And who you consider a better protoss? First? he have been killed by Bomber 2 times in a role if the same strategy.
And of course you need to use stoms on svcs, you dont have enought gate units to deal if the svcs while the are killed by marine/marauders.
Scarlett Jaedong Life Revival Naniwa Dimaga MVP Hyun Snute TLO Vortix Grubby
Frex
Profile Joined March 2012
Finland888 Posts
September 15 2013 14:53 GMT
#2091
On September 15 2013 23:51 HerrHorst wrote:
That's why I love this kind of threads Innovation could have won against a bronce-player and still there would be complaints about balance. There were just worlds between Innovation and Elfi.


The discussion is about the current TvP metagame for the most part. Talking about balance is different than talking about metagame.
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
September 15 2013 14:53 GMT
#2092
Dreamhack pls not 40 minutes break, I dont want to finish Witcher 2 already, I need something to fill the break till Pokemon.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
September 15 2013 14:54 GMT
#2093
On September 15 2013 23:53 NovaMB wrote:
Dreamhack pls not 40 minutes break, I dont want to finish Witcher 2 already, I need something to fill the break till Pokemon.


Story of my life
AdministratorBreak the chains
ottosec
Profile Joined April 2013
505 Posts
September 15 2013 14:54 GMT
#2094
There is a big chance of TvTvTvT semis.

ForGG likes this...
SKT1-PartinG&Rain, MC
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24603 Posts
September 15 2013 14:54 GMT
#2095
I think it's too early to assume too much about the "true" nature of TvP after just the odd month of a metagame shift. There are so many things that can still happen, builds that have been untested, strategies that haven't seen the light of day yet, etc. So save some of the same old "oh my god, starcraft 2 is unbelievably broken" stuff for later.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 15 2013 14:54 GMT
#2096
On September 15 2013 23:53 Mocking wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2013 23:47 NarutO wrote:
On September 15 2013 23:46 Mocking wrote:
On September 15 2013 23:43 unigolyn wrote:
On September 15 2013 23:42 WoodenSky wrote:
TvP really is utter crap right now.
wp bogus yu da man


The matchup has nothing to do with the fact that Elfi was floating 1k gas while on HT tech and just ran out of storms.

The time when innovation have pushed, elfi was low on gas if 5-7 storms, but he need to spend his stoms on svcs. SVC pull is just dumb. Bomber have done the same thing over and over again vs any toss in wcs finals, and was just easy for him.


Sorry to put the truth here but you are dumb. A better Protoss would have easily defended what INnoVation did there with the setup that was given. Elfi really blew it hard. And you know, you can storm units even though scvs are present, because scvs deal no big damage, they only buffer. Storm doesn't need to go through scvs to deal damage.



And who you consider a better protoss? First? he have been killed by Bomber 2 times in a role if the same strategy.

Bomber has First's number and essentially bopped him at OSL, so it is irrelevant. Try Super.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
awesomoecalypse
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2235 Posts
September 15 2013 14:54 GMT
#2097
TvT is the only good Terran matchup in HotS at this point. TvP is bitbybit central, and TvZ is skill-intensive but the same damn composition and playstyle in 95% of matches. Kinda sad that ZvP and even PvP have much more diversity of builds, compositions and playstyles than TvP and TvZ do at this point. Not sure if its an issue with the game itself, or just the point the meta is at now, but it gets pretty tiresome.
He drone drone drone. Me win. - ogsMC
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
September 15 2013 14:55 GMT
#2098
On September 15 2013 23:53 Mocking wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2013 23:47 NarutO wrote:
On September 15 2013 23:46 Mocking wrote:
On September 15 2013 23:43 unigolyn wrote:
On September 15 2013 23:42 WoodenSky wrote:
TvP really is utter crap right now.
wp bogus yu da man


The matchup has nothing to do with the fact that Elfi was floating 1k gas while on HT tech and just ran out of storms.

The time when innovation have pushed, elfi was low on gas if 5-7 storms, but he need to spend his stoms on svcs. SVC pull is just dumb. Bomber have done the same thing over and over again vs any toss in wcs finals, and was just easy for him.


Sorry to put the truth here but you are dumb. A better Protoss would have easily defended what INnoVation did there with the setup that was given. Elfi really blew it hard. And you know, you can storm units even though scvs are present, because scvs deal no big damage, they only buffer. Storm doesn't need to go through scvs to deal damage.



And who you consider a better protoss? First? he have been killed by Bomber 2 times in a role if the same strategy.

The games were completely different, just because they ended with SCVs pulls doesn't mean the players had the same position in the games. First was behind from the openings both game. Super had no troubles holding the SCV pull in the last Code S group.
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
September 15 2013 14:55 GMT
#2099
Easy bet is Innovation vs Taeja finals, with Taeja winning.
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
September 15 2013 14:55 GMT
#2100
Go MMA!
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
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