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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9175 Posts
On September 06 2013 20:30 bo1b wrote: Zergs seriously struggling vs terran, drg has 60+ eapm more then innovation and barely wins in a map terrans struggle with vs zerg. Calling zerg op would be a bit of a stretch. -.- seriously eapm/apm is pretty meaningless as long as it's 150/200+ | ||
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Big-t
Austria1351 Posts
On September 06 2013 20:26 NarutO wrote: Very well played by DRG. Superb control and he has enough units to not let INnoVation set up his parade push which is key. In smaller engagements Terran and especially INnoVations biomine trades super cost efficient, in the very big engagement it doesn't trade as efficient anymore. GG by DRG What do you mean with "not let inno set up his parade push"? Inno had him DRG under siege with his parade push, but I guess you meant not at the timing inno wanted to? TBH I don´t really understand how DRG won that, in most of the time they were trading equivalent. Or did the engagement in the mid, were inno saved only 2 madivacs full of marines, snowball? That was the only engagement DRG really overrun. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On September 06 2013 20:27 AgentW wrote: Question: Is Innovation still the best Terran in the world? Bomber surely has to take the cake nowadays. Loses 1 map to DRG after his GSTL allkill, suddenly not best anymore(?) In what world does that make sense to you- | ||
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Tanzklaue
Germany1422 Posts
On September 06 2013 20:30 AgentW wrote: But you would give Innovation a chance? This isn't accusatory, I'm just wondering. When considering Bomber and Innovation's head to head history in the OSL, I think I have to go with Bomber. bomber's tvz is worse than innovations, even though he beat jaedong and scarlett, nobody can really doubt inno's tvz. | ||
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NovaMB
Germany9534 Posts
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Tsubbi
Germany7996 Posts
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On September 06 2013 20:31 Koshi wrote: Let's watch some SCII. Just tuned in. Sad that I didn't see the first 2 games between these 2. You missed some of the best TvZ ever lol. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On September 06 2013 20:31 Big J wrote: 6:00 Zergling speed finishing, 3rd base for DRG Reaper scouts DRGs main base stim on the way 50 to 46 supply for DRG 9:00 INnoVation trying hard to hold back the creep spread, but DRG protects it with a spine crawler scouting overlord gets killed Slightly faster 1-1 for DRG lair and starport finishing up | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On September 06 2013 11:05 bo1b wrote: DRGGG + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.minus.com/i5WSV1DQ2Y49E.gif) Zergs are struggling in zvt, it's time for you to rise again :D I'd just like to quote myself from the preview thread. I feel it's pretty relevant. | ||
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VmY
Netherlands1286 Posts
On September 06 2013 20:32 Tsubbi wrote: innovation with 4 ebay build Has he really? | ||
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Muecke
Germany150 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On September 06 2013 20:30 bo1b wrote: Zergs seriously struggling vs terran, drg has 60+ eapm more then innovation and barely wins in a map terrans struggle with vs zerg. Calling zerg op would be a bit of a stretch. Lol where the hell did you draw that random number from? | ||
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AgentW
United States7725 Posts
On September 06 2013 20:32 NarutO wrote: Loses 1 map to DRG after his GSTL allkill, suddenly not best anymore(?) In what world does that make sense to you- Because I wouldn't have put him at the top coming in. It was a genuine question. I will admit, I forgot about the GSTL all kill (couldn't watch due to timezones). | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On September 06 2013 20:30 AgentW wrote: But you would give Innovation a chance? This isn't accusatory, I'm just wondering. When considering Bomber and Innovation's head to head history in the OSL, I think I have to go with Bomber. I meant in TvZ, I think innovations is far better!! Head to head is totally different. It's hard to say, i still have confidence that INnovation can work it out in tvt, but Bombers tvt has been totally dominant in that matchup lately. TvP I would say is fairly close, Bomber has just walked over most protoss with his super aggressive bo's, although he was crushed by Rain, who was slaughtered by TaeJa and Maru. | ||
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PerSe
United Kingdom550 Posts
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On September 06 2013 20:32 Big-t wrote: What do you mean with "not let inno set up his parade push"? Inno had him DRG under siege with his parade push, but I guess you meant not at the timing inno wanted to? TBH I don´t really understand how DRG won that, in most of the time they were trading equivalent. Or did the engagement in the mid, were inno saved only 2 madivacs full of marines, snowball? That was the only engagement DRG really overrun. INnoVations parade usually starts early and never stops, ever. He denies the initial creep already. Before 12:30 he's on the map and never stops pushing. On Derelict and on Whirlwind DRG stopped him because he had enough units and make INnoVation retreat (load up medivacs, retreat) so his parade was broken to begin with. Thats what I meant | ||
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Lumi
United States1616 Posts
On September 06 2013 20:32 NovaMB wrote: I guess Tasteless hasnt seen Scarlett play I was thinking that, although tbh, scarlett included - everyones creep spread sucks these days compared to where th ings were in mid wol - who remembers NSHS_Seal vs bomber on bel shir beach? I DO! | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On September 06 2013 20:33 ZenithM wrote: Lol where the hell did you draw that random number from? Replays? The wcs replay pack to be precise. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On September 06 2013 20:32 Big J wrote: 9:00 INnoVation trying hard to hold back the creep spread, but DRG protects it with a spine crawler scouting overlord gets killed Slightly faster 1-1 for DRG lair and starport finishing up 10:00-11:00 Spire and baneling nest for DRG Combat shields for INnoVation Creep spread getting really big again 120 to 105 supply for DRG | ||
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
On September 06 2013 20:32 NarutO wrote: Loses 1 map to DRG after his GSTL allkill, suddenly not best anymore(?) In what world does that make sense to you- It's hard to call right now, considering how he fared against Maru, PartinG and then in WCS S2 Finals... :/ Meanwhile, Bomber lost to SuperNoVa. :s | ||
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