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FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
September 23 2013 12:24 GMT
#1421
nice targetfire by Innovation on the Mutas with the Mines. Still its Ultra Muta Terran will have a Problem if he stays on 4M unless he gets 3 lucky mine hits on the Mutas.
Zheryn
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3653 Posts
September 23 2013 12:24 GMT
#1422
On September 23 2013 21:20 NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 21:18 Zheryn wrote:
On September 23 2013 21:04 NarutO wrote:
On September 23 2013 20:58 playa wrote:
They need to start awarding wins to zergs if they can simply survive "x" long against terran. If this game is balanced at all, zergs need to find a new race/game.


They need to make you idiots shut up. We have seen multiple games from various Zergs now against the best TvZ player in the world and they go toe to toe. DRG won. hyvaa came real close. Curious showed a very good game. If you believe every Zerg should be able to go toe to toe with the best Terran in the world, maybe you can ask yourself why besides the very top level, Terrans to underperform by a ton.

Just my two cents to the people who always cry. Jesus most Zergs were crying when they had broodlord infestor.


You know the matchup is good when we can remember a zerg once winning and another few coming close


against _the best_ TvZ player on the planet? Do I need to quote the statistics from Korea with 43% TvZ to get you back onto track? But since I did put effort into gathering all those games it was "me faking statistics" when in reality thats how it looks like when its not the top Terrans on the map.


And why is it that we don't have any dominating ZvT players who win most of their matches? Probably cause all zerg players are just bad
hundred thousand krouner
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
September 23 2013 12:26 GMT
#1423
On September 23 2013 21:24 FeyFey wrote:
nice targetfire by Innovation on the Mutas with the Mines. Still its Ultra Muta Terran will have a Problem if he stays on 4M unless he gets 3 lucky mine hits on the Mutas.

What else is he supposed to make? Thors?
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24602 Posts
September 23 2013 12:27 GMT
#1424
This game!
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
September 23 2013 12:27 GMT
#1425
On September 23 2013 21:26 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 21:24 FeyFey wrote:
nice targetfire by Innovation on the Mutas with the Mines. Still its Ultra Muta Terran will have a Problem if he stays on 4M unless he gets 3 lucky mine hits on the Mutas.

What else is he supposed to make? Thors?

i would really like to see some ghosts or ravens
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24602 Posts
September 23 2013 12:28 GMT
#1426
Oh my god.
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9223 Posts
September 23 2013 12:28 GMT
#1427
Holy crap this game is amazing!
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
September 23 2013 12:28 GMT
#1428
omg those mines
@QxGDarkCell ._.
SinCitta
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany2127 Posts
September 23 2013 12:29 GMT
#1429
Nice trap.
Denar
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1633 Posts
September 23 2013 12:29 GMT
#1430
That was just sick, those mines!!
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
September 23 2013 12:29 GMT
#1431
On September 23 2013 21:24 Zheryn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 21:20 NarutO wrote:
On September 23 2013 21:18 Zheryn wrote:
On September 23 2013 21:04 NarutO wrote:
On September 23 2013 20:58 playa wrote:
They need to start awarding wins to zergs if they can simply survive "x" long against terran. If this game is balanced at all, zergs need to find a new race/game.


They need to make you idiots shut up. We have seen multiple games from various Zergs now against the best TvZ player in the world and they go toe to toe. DRG won. hyvaa came real close. Curious showed a very good game. If you believe every Zerg should be able to go toe to toe with the best Terran in the world, maybe you can ask yourself why besides the very top level, Terrans to underperform by a ton.

Just my two cents to the people who always cry. Jesus most Zergs were crying when they had broodlord infestor.


You know the matchup is good when we can remember a zerg once winning and another few coming close


against _the best_ TvZ player on the planet? Do I need to quote the statistics from Korea with 43% TvZ to get you back onto track? But since I did put effort into gathering all those games it was "me faking statistics" when in reality thats how it looks like when its not the top Terrans on the map.


And why is it that we don't have any dominating ZvT players who win most of their matches? Probably cause all zerg players are just bad


http://aligulac.com/players/125/results/?after=&before=&race=t&nats=kr&bo=all&offline=both&game=HotS

soO has good winrate, while not unbelievably many games. You saying ZvT is imbalanced is pure bullshit.

IEM NY Korean/TW Qualifier
TvZ 17-35 (33%)

WCS Season 3 Korea
Overall: 20-17 (54%)
Up&Down: 9-4 (69%)
Code S: 11-13 (46%)

WCG Korea 2013 Qualifier
Overall: TvZ 51-48 (52%)
Group Stage: 47-46 (51%)
Main Tournament: 4-2 (67%)

Overall: 88-100 (46,81%)

You can take the WCG Korea qualifier out of it, because it happend before September, but this will make the winrate even worse. Now you can say I cherrypick statistics, but WCS Korea Season 3 and IEM NY Korea/TW Qualifier (statistics was taken at the end of stage 2..) were tournaments in september and I only took current data. GSTL was added as well in the balance discussion thread. I keep asking myself how those statistics happen if TvZ is such a freewin
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
SoulCapsule
Profile Joined November 2012
France806 Posts
September 23 2013 12:30 GMT
#1432
On September 23 2013 21:27 graNite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 21:26 TheDwf wrote:
On September 23 2013 21:24 FeyFey wrote:
nice targetfire by Innovation on the Mutas with the Mines. Still its Ultra Muta Terran will have a Problem if he stays on 4M unless he gets 3 lucky mine hits on the Mutas.

What else is he supposed to make? Thors?

i would really like to see some ghosts or ravens


yeah why not some BC? Innovation has a hell of a bank, also a very very sick eco. Lmao.
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9223 Posts
September 23 2013 12:31 GMT
#1433
I was waiting for this map to deliver amazing games. Finally it happened.
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
75
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4057 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-23 12:32:40
September 23 2013 12:32 GMT
#1434
best tvz series ever
11/11 gogo
yo twitch, as long as I can watch 480p lagfree I'm happy
Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
September 23 2013 12:32 GMT
#1435
Curiouuuuuuuuuus
Hello
Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
September 23 2013 12:32 GMT
#1436
Wow, such sick play from Curious! :D Really hope he qualifies now.
LRSL 2014 Finalist! PartinG | Mvp | Bomber | Creator | NaNiwa | herO
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
September 23 2013 12:32 GMT
#1437
On September 23 2013 21:32 75 wrote:
best tvz series ever


said the people who watched DRG v Innovation
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
September 23 2013 12:32 GMT
#1438
On September 23 2013 21:26 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 21:24 FeyFey wrote:
nice targetfire by Innovation on the Mutas with the Mines. Still its Ultra Muta Terran will have a Problem if he stays on 4M unless he gets 3 lucky mine hits on the Mutas.

What else is he supposed to make? Thors?


Sounds nice since they can kite mutas with speed vacs. But Thors would need 2 attack upgrades. And Innovation got the 3 lucky mine hits anyway, bit late though.
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
September 23 2013 12:33 GMT
#1439
On September 23 2013 21:07 playa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 21:02 TheDwf wrote:
On September 23 2013 20:58 playa wrote:
They need to start awarding wins to zergs if they can simply survive "x" long against terran. If this game is balanced at all, zergs need to find a new race/game.

Terran on 6 bases containing Zerg on 4 bases for years, proceeds to lose mass CCs because you can never catch mutas and can't afford 10 Turrets per base; meanwhile, Zerg masses ultras/infests and would have probably won the main engagement had mutas not been away in main killing buildings; still finds a way to complain anyway.


Tired of seeing the same thing every game. I never even get to to consider whether zerg will win in a macro game or not. It's simply a curiosity/amusement of how long can they survive. It's like watching a movie but already knowing the ending. No suspense. Z vs T wasn't balanced in WoL when zerg always won and terran players aren't innately better now.

.


Orly?


vgg
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
September 23 2013 12:33 GMT
#1440
Great game by Curious
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