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On August 25 2013 01:56 Bam Lee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 01:54 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 25 2013 01:51 Arco wrote:On August 25 2013 01:50 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 25 2013 01:49 Arco wrote:On August 25 2013 01:49 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 25 2013 01:48 Arco wrote:On August 25 2013 01:46 LogiiK wrote:
where is kespa ? Jaedong, hi. Technically EG-TL property now. So, I guess joining EG-TL makes him forget his 8 years of KeSPA training regiment. Good one. Not for SC2 right? If this was BW then yeah, I'd consider him to be a KeSPA player. But his current team is EGTL. Has little to do with the game played. Has to do with the mindset, mental training as well as training regiment. Though, I think being a top tier Brood War champion helped too. Still, you can't deny that EGTL are getting insanely good. And it's not just one or two of them. 3 EGTL players topped their groups, Jaedong is in the Ro4, aLive almost made it there, Taeja is fucking insane, HerO is the next big tournament winner (heard it here first), Oz is getting much better, Revival won IEM, HerO won WCS America season 1. Naniwa is living at the EGTL house and he's getting super good. The EGTL house is seriously one of the best practice environments in the world right now. Guess coach park gave them more than they could ever imagine 
CJ will rise to conquer WCS soon.
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On August 25 2013 01:56 Bam Lee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 01:54 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 25 2013 01:51 Arco wrote:On August 25 2013 01:50 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 25 2013 01:49 Arco wrote:On August 25 2013 01:49 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 25 2013 01:48 Arco wrote:On August 25 2013 01:46 LogiiK wrote:
where is kespa ? Jaedong, hi. Technically EG-TL property now. So, I guess joining EG-TL makes him forget his 8 years of KeSPA training regiment. Good one. Not for SC2 right? If this was BW then yeah, I'd consider him to be a KeSPA player. But his current team is EGTL. Has little to do with the game played. Has to do with the mindset, mental training as well as training regiment. Though, I think being a top tier Brood War champion helped too. Still, you can't deny that EGTL are getting insanely good. And it's not just one or two of them. 3 EGTL players topped their groups, Jaedong is in the Ro4, aLive almost made it there, Taeja is fucking insane, HerO is the next big tournament winner (heard it here first), Oz is getting much better, Revival won IEM, HerO won WCS America season 1. Naniwa is living at the EGTL house and he's getting super good. The EGTL house is seriously one of the best practice environments in the world right now. Guess coach park gave them more than they could ever imagine
He did and I've said it all along. People were expecting results much too quickly. But if they were to enter Proleague in full force the way they're now? They can beat ANYBODY
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On August 25 2013 01:54 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 01:51 BackSideAttack wrote:On August 25 2013 01:47 bo1b wrote:
People wonder why eg-tl was so hyped to do well in proleague when the potential that some of the players on that combined team is insane You know doing well at a foreign tournament when you are used to traveling is completely different than Proleague. Not only do the Kespa players care more about Proleague, they have an entire organization complete with experienced staff there to prepare every player for every game. Couple that with no traveling, which the kespa players are obviously not used to as evidenced by numerous interviews at previous MLG events. Taeja has tremendous experience playing these weekend tournaments and frequently travels. He obviously is going to do better in these games than bo1 games where you spend an entire week practicing for. I get that, but the players just played like trash comparatively to what they'd played like before. Taeja's only just getting back into that groove of stomping everyone. I'm mega biased too, so excuse my giddyness :D
"Stomping everyone" winning 2 "big" tournaments (wich arent REALLY THAT BIG) since last year september its not what i would call "stomping everyone"
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Bomber doesn't 2 rax much, if at all, does he? I think going into a long macro game is what scarlett wants. Ya sure, goswser played some long games against bomber....but he isn't a 'long game' zerg IMO. He's a oh hey look im going to bust you now zerg.
Scarlet seems to hold her own in these long games where she doesn't get taken aback by early game cheese.
I say 3-2 scarlett. She beat bomber before. Remember that 2-1 a long time ago? She lost the first game because she forgot like 100 lings, then just straight crushed his face twice?
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On August 25 2013 01:55 Sated wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 01:53 TheDwf wrote:On August 25 2013 01:51 BronzeKnee wrote:On August 25 2013 01:46 NarutO wrote:On August 25 2013 01:44 BronzeKnee wrote:On August 25 2013 01:44 NarutO wrote:On August 25 2013 01:42 BronzeKnee wrote:On August 25 2013 01:40 NarutO wrote:On August 25 2013 01:40 BronzeKnee wrote:On August 25 2013 01:37 TheDwf wrote:
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Hence why Tempests transitions are perfectly standard in lategame PvT? I'm speaking of Mass Viking/Ghost in particular. No Marines, no Marauders. I've played against it, and I've never won. If Terran reaches that point, Protoss dies. Lots of stalkers + lots of colossus is very good. If you add tempest, even better. Scan, kill Observers/Oracles. Cloak Mass ghosts. EMP and kill everything. Use any remaining Vikings to help DPS down Colossus and any Tempests. You take a defensive posture. You add cannons. Watch HasuObs ultra-late. If you lose in the defensive with lots of colossus/tempest and stalkers behind cannons and few hts, you really are doing something very wrong. Nuclear launch detected brah. Kills dem cannons. Jesus shut up. Statistics favor Protoss over Terran and besides Taeja the Terrans got smoked everywhere all over the world. Protoss dominates all the ladders on highest level. Rain made huge mistakes here so if you want to base that series as balance test "BRAH" jesus christ. I cannot believe people like you but on the other hand yeah, they exist. Wow. Relax man, don't rage. And I'm not Jesus, I know it seems like that, but I'm not that good yet, Anyway, Rain deserved to lose that series he didn't play well and Taeja played really well, but it had nothing to do with this discussion. The discussion we were having was about Mass Viking/Ghost, because someone said "UltLate game is always protoss favored." In my experience, Mass Viking/Ghost has no counters. Sure you can turtle up, but if you don't have the bases on your side of the map, then you're in trouble. And nukes force engagements and constant movement. Just watch games like Flash vs PartinG on Daybreak, Happy vs HasuObs on Daybreak, Happy vs San on Star Station. NaNiwa vs. ThorZain, Cloud Kingdom. I can quote games too. :S This argument is pointless.
Your argument is pointless. He said it has no counter, those games proof there is a counter. Yours just shows that the Terran can win with the composition so you miss the point.
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Belgica34432 Posts
I like Bomber, but I don't want him to win cause then Wintex will be like "lol Bomber Ro4, where's maru"
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On August 25 2013 01:45 Zealously wrote:
Called it (almost)
Rain not playing as well as he can though
Dude hasn't been playing well since Round 4 of PL and he wasn't helping SKT1 either in the clutch. Makes me wonder why they kept sending him out as the last guy.
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On August 25 2013 01:54 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 01:51 Arco wrote:On August 25 2013 01:50 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 25 2013 01:49 Arco wrote:On August 25 2013 01:49 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 25 2013 01:48 Arco wrote:On August 25 2013 01:46 LogiiK wrote:
where is kespa ? Jaedong, hi. Technically EG-TL property now. So, I guess joining EG-TL makes him forget his 8 years of KeSPA training regiment. Good one. Not for SC2 right? If this was BW then yeah, I'd consider him to be a KeSPA player. But his current team is EGTL. Has little to do with the game played. Has to do with the mindset, mental training as well as training regiment. Though, I think being a top tier Brood War champion helped too. Still, you can't deny that EGTL are getting insanely good. And it's not just one or two of them. 3 EGTL players topped their groups, Jaedong is in the Ro4, aLive almost made it there, Taeja is fucking insane, HerO is the next big tournament winner (heard it here first), Oz is getting much better, Revival won IEM, HerO won WCS America season 1. Naniwa is living at the EGTL house and he's getting super good. The EGTL house is seriously one of the best practice environments in the world right now.
Careful now, this might just become the next "Unleash a monster" post...
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On August 25 2013 01:55 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 01:54 Arco wrote:On August 25 2013 01:53 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 25 2013 01:51 Arco wrote:On August 25 2013 01:50 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 25 2013 01:49 Arco wrote:On August 25 2013 01:49 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 25 2013 01:48 Arco wrote:On August 25 2013 01:46 LogiiK wrote:
where is kespa ? Jaedong, hi. Technically EG-TL property now. So, I guess joining EG-TL makes him forget his 8 years of KeSPA training regiment. Good one. Not for SC2 right? If this was BW then yeah, I'd consider him to be a KeSPA player. But his current team is EGTL. Has little to do with the game played. Has to do with the mindset, mental training as well as training regiment. Though, I think being a top tier Brood War champion helped too. Well, yeah. A lot of KeSPA players trained for 8 years but very few of them get the same sort of skill and results as JD. Yeah, but even the lower tier ones are owning top eSF players in StarCraft 2. Sup? What's your point again? I kinda lost it. My point was that he's not in KeSPA anymore. Whether or not he's KeSPA-trained isn't relevant.
It is relevant because obviously due to his success in Brood War and now StarCraft 2 that he has adapted to the KeSPA training routine, and it has paid off for him. You don't give up 8 years recipe for fame and success just because you've joined a foreigner/ESF team.
KeSPA players are just better most of the time for obvious reasons - they have the best training environment and practices known to eSports.
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On August 25 2013 01:55 Sated wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 01:53 TheDwf wrote:On August 25 2013 01:51 BronzeKnee wrote:On August 25 2013 01:46 NarutO wrote:On August 25 2013 01:44 BronzeKnee wrote:On August 25 2013 01:44 NarutO wrote:On August 25 2013 01:42 BronzeKnee wrote:On August 25 2013 01:40 NarutO wrote:On August 25 2013 01:40 BronzeKnee wrote:On August 25 2013 01:37 TheDwf wrote:
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Hence why Tempests transitions are perfectly standard in lategame PvT? I'm speaking of Mass Viking/Ghost in particular. No Marines, no Marauders. I've played against it, and I've never won. If Terran reaches that point, Protoss dies. Lots of stalkers + lots of colossus is very good. If you add tempest, even better. Scan, kill Observers/Oracles. Cloak Mass ghosts. EMP and kill everything. Use any remaining Vikings to help DPS down Colossus and any Tempests. You take a defensive posture. You add cannons. Watch HasuObs ultra-late. If you lose in the defensive with lots of colossus/tempest and stalkers behind cannons and few hts, you really are doing something very wrong. Nuclear launch detected brah. Kills dem cannons. Jesus shut up. Statistics favor Protoss over Terran and besides Taeja the Terrans got smoked everywhere all over the world. Protoss dominates all the ladders on highest level. Rain made huge mistakes here so if you want to base that series as balance test "BRAH" jesus christ. I cannot believe people like you but on the other hand yeah, they exist. Wow. Relax man, don't rage. And I'm not Jesus, I know it seems like that, but I'm not that good yet, Anyway, Rain deserved to lose that series he didn't play well and Taeja played really well, but it had nothing to do with this discussion. The discussion we were having was about Mass Viking/Ghost, because someone said "UltLate game is always protoss favored." In my experience, Mass Viking/Ghost has no counters. Sure you can turtle up, but if you don't have the bases on your side of the map, then you're in trouble. And nukes force engagements and constant movement. Just watch games like Flash vs PartinG on Daybreak, Happy vs HasuObs on Daybreak, Happy vs San on Star Station. NaNiwa vs. ThorZain, Cloud Kingdom. I can quote games too. :S This argument is pointless.
Cool. So the guy asks about winning Ghosts/Vikings, I give him 3 examples of lategame pro TvP with a successful Tempest transition winning vs Ghosts/Vikings and you reply with a WoL game in which Naniwa played Zealots/Archons/Storm against 30 Ghosts and wondered why it didn't work. I really wonder which one of our posts is "pointless".
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On August 25 2013 01:57 Lorning wrote:
I like Bomber, but I don't want him to win cause then Wintex will be like "lol Bomber Ro4, where's maru"
Just stomp him on a grudgematch and force him to wear something lame, like a prime on his signature.
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On August 25 2013 01:56 Mozdk wrote:
Was that Cella?
Yes, he's a coach for Acer.
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On August 25 2013 01:56 BackSideAttack wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 01:54 bo1b wrote:On August 25 2013 01:51 BackSideAttack wrote:On August 25 2013 01:47 bo1b wrote:
People wonder why eg-tl was so hyped to do well in proleague when the potential that some of the players on that combined team is insane You know doing well at a foreign tournament when you are used to traveling is completely different than Proleague. Not only do the Kespa players care more about Proleague, they have an entire organization complete with experienced staff there to prepare every player for every game. Couple that with no traveling, which the kespa players are obviously not used to as evidenced by numerous interviews at previous MLG events. Taeja has tremendous experience playing these weekend tournaments and frequently travels. He obviously is going to do better in these games than bo1 games where you spend an entire week practicing for. I get that, but the players just played like trash comparatively to what they'd played like before. Taeja's only just getting back into that groove of stomping everyone. I'm mega biased too, so excuse my giddyness :D Well yeah its a different format. Plus even if EG-TL had the same proleague resources as Kespa, they still wouldn't be able to do as well because of commitments to streaming and traveling to foreign tournaments. Also Rain played pretty poorly in these games, especially when he walked into the open with those collosus in game 2.
It wasn't just the format, they were playing worse and worse before proleague started.
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On August 25 2013 01:56 Tanzklaue wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 01:54 Arco wrote:On August 25 2013 01:53 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 25 2013 01:51 Arco wrote:On August 25 2013 01:50 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 25 2013 01:49 Arco wrote:On August 25 2013 01:49 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 25 2013 01:48 Arco wrote:On August 25 2013 01:46 LogiiK wrote:
where is kespa ? Jaedong, hi. Technically EG-TL property now. So, I guess joining EG-TL makes him forget his 8 years of KeSPA training regiment. Good one. Not for SC2 right? If this was BW then yeah, I'd consider him to be a KeSPA player. But his current team is EGTL. Has little to do with the game played. Has to do with the mindset, mental training as well as training regiment. Though, I think being a top tier Brood War champion helped too. Well, yeah. A lot of KeSPA players trained for 8 years but very few of them get the same sort of skill and results as JD. Yeah, but even the lower-mid tier ones are owning top eSF players in StarCraft 2. Sup? last OSL was 50/50 in the round of 8, between kespa and esf, and maru, who was considered everything but top esf, crushed the best of the best from kespa. what excuses do you present for that?
Kespa also crushed the qualifiers, Code A and WCG
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On August 25 2013 01:53 Arco wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 01:51 Muffloe wrote:On August 25 2013 01:50 Arco wrote:On August 25 2013 01:49 Muffloe wrote:On August 25 2013 01:48 Arco wrote:On August 25 2013 01:46 LogiiK wrote:
where is kespa ? Jaedong, hi. EG bro 8 years as a KeSPA player, bro. Then why do you count parting as kespa? such hypocrisy, is unbeleviable... Where did I say that? If you want to get technical, Parting was a practice partner for eStro.
You see that?
Thats the point.
Flying over your head.
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On August 25 2013 01:37 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Taeja's summer is in full effect
Legend of the Fall
Month of JulyZerg
Summer of TaeJa
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On August 25 2013 01:54 Bam Lee wrote:
Btw this event is BY FAR one of the greatest event this year. Awesome casting, awesome hosting, maybe a little lackluster crowd but still good, and AWESOME games.(AND upsets)
I have to agree with you, I didn't see that much because of work but the last two series where amazing
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On August 25 2013 01:57 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 01:45 Zealously wrote:
Called it (almost)
Rain not playing as well as he can though Dude hasn't been playing well since Round 4 of PL and he wasn't helping SKT1 either in the clutch. Makes me wonder why they kept sending him out as the last guy.
Because just in the middle of the last round of proleague he had over 70% win rate...
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Ho ho ho ho
(1726) Scarlett 0-0 Bomber (1725)
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12.53% 3-0 0-3 12.47%
18.78% 3-1 1-3 18.72%
18.77% 3-2 2-3 18.73%
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50.08% 49.92%
Median outcome: Scarlett 3-2 Bomber
Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.
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