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On August 25 2013 01:38 Zarahtra wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 01:37 Zambrah wrote:On August 25 2013 01:35 Godwrath wrote:On August 25 2013 01:34 Zambrah wrote:On August 25 2013 01:32 Zarahtra wrote:On August 25 2013 01:30 Zambrah wrote:On August 25 2013 01:29 KingAlphard wrote:
Are terran players still complaining about TvP lategame? They'll be back when another Protoss win happens, don't worry.  Did you guys watch the same game I did? Taeja was far far far far far far far far ahead all game long, but couldn't close it. Don't get me wrong, Rain did play superbly surviving for so long, but that game I'd argue T should rather be complaining about than P defending current TvP balance. Im not seeing a reason to complain when all that I see is Terrans beating Protoss and Protoss beating Terran. "couldn't close it" is probably also not necessarily accurate. Its more like TaeJa being okay with patiently waiting for the safest point to crush Rain at. No, because if you misstep trying to close it you can end like Alive. Taeja could have had to misstep pretty fucking hard to lose that. Like, eat Storms like he was a fat kid at an ice cream buffet. The sad part is, no you wouldn't.
I don't really believe that. Taeja owned his side of the map had an army upwards of 170 supply, had a crazy amount of Ghosts, Rain's detection was very minimalized so cloak was going to be very effective.
TaeJa set himself SO far ahead in that game that he more than likely could have closed that game out earlier. He was just playing safe and theres nothing WRONG with that, but I don't believe that Rain was just unkillable unless TaeJa just took the perfect fight.
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On August 25 2013 01:40 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 01:37 TheDwf wrote:On August 25 2013 01:35 BronzeKnee wrote:On August 25 2013 01:32 TheDwf wrote:On August 25 2013 01:30 BronzeKnee wrote:On August 25 2013 01:28 rshawer wrote:
UltLate game is always protoss favored So what counters Mass Viking/Cloaked Ghost? Anything that can move and detect is countered by Vikings and scans. Cloak handles the rest. Tempests, Observers following your Colossi. It also helps not to enter lategame massively behind; if people think 10 macro OCs 180 army size is the norm for each lategame TvP, they're fairly deluded. Tempests are terrible against Vikings. Hence why Tempests transitions are perfectly standard in lategame PvT? I'm speaking of Mass Viking/Ghost in particular. No Marines, no Marauders. I've played against it, and I've never won. If Terran reaches that point, Protoss dies.
Lots of stalkers + lots of colossus is very good. If you add tempest, even better.
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On August 25 2013 01:39 Sated wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 01:38 Cokefreak wrote:On August 25 2013 01:36 Naphal wrote:On August 25 2013 01:35 Cokefreak wrote:
Everytime ToD says 'forget' I hear 'fourgate' and go wtf i always hear rotti say "turd" instead of "third" and smile xD Turd base lmao You guys would not do well in Ireland.
Pshh, I would drink so much whiskey & guinness that I would be fine no matter what.
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On August 25 2013 01:40 bo1b wrote:
I really really really want to see a taeja vs jaedong finals
but it is already a ZvZ
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lol that marine flew so far off the cliff
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this is more like the bulletproof protoss I know, never miss anything in the map
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On August 25 2013 01:40 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 01:37 TheDwf wrote:On August 25 2013 01:35 BronzeKnee wrote:On August 25 2013 01:32 TheDwf wrote:On August 25 2013 01:30 BronzeKnee wrote:On August 25 2013 01:28 rshawer wrote:
UltLate game is always protoss favored So what counters Mass Viking/Cloaked Ghost? Anything that can move and detect is countered by Vikings and scans. Cloak handles the rest. Tempests, Observers following your Colossi. It also helps not to enter lategame massively behind; if people think 10 macro OCs 180 army size is the norm for each lategame TvP, they're fairly deluded. Tempests are terrible against Vikings. Hence why Tempests transitions are perfectly standard in lategame PvT? I'm speaking of Mass Viking/Ghost in particular. No Marines, no Marauders. I've played against it, and I've never won. If Terran reaches that point, Protoss dies.
Max on stalks/colos/tempests and be sure to laugh when his 20k army value evaporates.
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Rain with the safe, defensive macro. Great obs spread. I love to see that!
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On August 25 2013 01:38 Faruko wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 01:33 Abominous wrote:On August 25 2013 01:33 Faruko wrote:On August 25 2013 01:31 Scarecrow wrote:On August 25 2013 01:30 Bagration wrote:
Kespa is failing so hard this tournament. Not used to international travel, eh? They are on holidays Kespa players dont care a lot for individual tournaments, they live and die for Proleague, IMO Say something similar about non-kespa and you'd be banished for bullshit. Well its kind of obvious, you see Kespa paychecks and they are far FAR ahead compared to non-Kespa players, and im pretty sure with that kind of money you are bound to care more for proleague. A lot of individual tournaments are called off by Kespa players because they have to play proleague (im pretty sure Innovation didnt go to MLG, even thought there was a high chance he would have won it)
There's no proleague in now and a while.
And I don't think innovation had chance in MLG, he mind is just not strong enuf for foreign games
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On August 25 2013 01:40 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 01:37 TheDwf wrote:On August 25 2013 01:35 BronzeKnee wrote:On August 25 2013 01:32 TheDwf wrote:On August 25 2013 01:30 BronzeKnee wrote:On August 25 2013 01:28 rshawer wrote:
UltLate game is always protoss favored So what counters Mass Viking/Cloaked Ghost? Anything that can move and detect is countered by Vikings and scans. Cloak handles the rest. Tempests, Observers following your Colossi. It also helps not to enter lategame massively behind; if people think 10 macro OCs 180 army size is the norm for each lategame TvP, they're fairly deluded. Tempests are terrible against Vikings. Hence why Tempests transitions are perfectly standard in lategame PvT? I'm speaking of Mass Viking/Ghost in particular. No Marines, no Marauders. I've played against it, and I've never won. If Terran reaches that point, Protoss dies.
Uh, Alive had that exact composition versus First's Tempest/Colossus/Templar and got wrecked.
The key to beating Tempest is abusing it's mobility and killing off bases.
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On August 25 2013 01:40 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 01:40 BronzeKnee wrote:On August 25 2013 01:37 TheDwf wrote:On August 25 2013 01:35 BronzeKnee wrote:On August 25 2013 01:32 TheDwf wrote:On August 25 2013 01:30 BronzeKnee wrote:On August 25 2013 01:28 rshawer wrote:
UltLate game is always protoss favored So what counters Mass Viking/Cloaked Ghost? Anything that can move and detect is countered by Vikings and scans. Cloak handles the rest. Tempests, Observers following your Colossi. It also helps not to enter lategame massively behind; if people think 10 macro OCs 180 army size is the norm for each lategame TvP, they're fairly deluded. Tempests are terrible against Vikings. Hence why Tempests transitions are perfectly standard in lategame PvT? I'm speaking of Mass Viking/Ghost in particular. No Marines, no Marauders. I've played against it, and I've never won. If Terran reaches that point, Protoss dies. Lots of stalkers + lots of colossus is very good. If you add tempest, even better.
Scan, kill Observers/Oracles. Cloak Mass ghosts. EMP and kill everything. Use any remaining Vikings to help DPS down Colossus and any Tempests.
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On August 25 2013 01:41 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 01:40 BronzeKnee wrote:On August 25 2013 01:37 TheDwf wrote:On August 25 2013 01:35 BronzeKnee wrote:On August 25 2013 01:32 TheDwf wrote:On August 25 2013 01:30 BronzeKnee wrote:On August 25 2013 01:28 rshawer wrote:
UltLate game is always protoss favored So what counters Mass Viking/Cloaked Ghost? Anything that can move and detect is countered by Vikings and scans. Cloak handles the rest. Tempests, Observers following your Colossi. It also helps not to enter lategame massively behind; if people think 10 macro OCs 180 army size is the norm for each lategame TvP, they're fairly deluded. Tempests are terrible against Vikings. Hence why Tempests transitions are perfectly standard in lategame PvT? I'm speaking of Mass Viking/Ghost in particular. No Marines, no Marauders. I've played against it, and I've never won. If Terran reaches that point, Protoss dies. Max on stalks/colos/tempests and be sure to laugh when his 20k army value evaporates.
Type your laughter into game chat as well to put him on tilt for the next game.
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On August 25 2013 01:41 Arco wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 01:40 BronzeKnee wrote:On August 25 2013 01:37 TheDwf wrote:On August 25 2013 01:35 BronzeKnee wrote:On August 25 2013 01:32 TheDwf wrote:On August 25 2013 01:30 BronzeKnee wrote:On August 25 2013 01:28 rshawer wrote:
UltLate game is always protoss favored So what counters Mass Viking/Cloaked Ghost? Anything that can move and detect is countered by Vikings and scans. Cloak handles the rest. Tempests, Observers following your Colossi. It also helps not to enter lategame massively behind; if people think 10 macro OCs 180 army size is the norm for each lategame TvP, they're fairly deluded. Tempests are terrible against Vikings. Hence why Tempests transitions are perfectly standard in lategame PvT? I'm speaking of Mass Viking/Ghost in particular. No Marines, no Marauders. I've played against it, and I've never won. If Terran reaches that point, Protoss dies. Uh, Alive had that exact composition versus First's Tempest/Colossus/Templar and got wrecked.
Nice, I'll have to watch that game. Did Alive make any major error?
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On August 25 2013 01:42 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 01:41 TheDwf wrote:On August 25 2013 01:40 BronzeKnee wrote:On August 25 2013 01:37 TheDwf wrote:On August 25 2013 01:35 BronzeKnee wrote:On August 25 2013 01:32 TheDwf wrote:On August 25 2013 01:30 BronzeKnee wrote:On August 25 2013 01:28 rshawer wrote:
UltLate game is always protoss favored So what counters Mass Viking/Cloaked Ghost? Anything that can move and detect is countered by Vikings and scans. Cloak handles the rest. Tempests, Observers following your Colossi. It also helps not to enter lategame massively behind; if people think 10 macro OCs 180 army size is the norm for each lategame TvP, they're fairly deluded. Tempests are terrible against Vikings. Hence why Tempests transitions are perfectly standard in lategame PvT? I'm speaking of Mass Viking/Ghost in particular. No Marines, no Marauders. I've played against it, and I've never won. If Terran reaches that point, Protoss dies. Max on stalks/colos/tempests and be sure to laugh when his 20k army value evaporates. Type your laughter into game chat as well to put him on tilt for the next game.
You're pure evil.
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On August 25 2013 01:34 Faruko wrote:Show nested quote +On August 25 2013 01:32 Wildmoon wrote:On August 25 2013 01:31 BigAsia wrote:On August 25 2013 01:30 Faruko wrote:Guys actually like this kind of game ? this remind why SC its not the king of eSports anymore  boring ^ This... not impressed lol really? This tournament has been full of great games and you nitpick this to bitch about? I do agree with you, but more than 50% of games (of all SC2) go to deathball vs deathball like this one, and thats boring
If you think the game ended beacuse of "deathball vs deathball", you don't seem to understand the game at all.
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