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KaneZ
Profile Joined June 2013
Germany202 Posts
August 23 2013 15:35 GMT
#3081
On August 24 2013 00:34 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 00:32 KaneZ wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:30 XenOmega wrote:
How good is Scarlett? I've followed the SC2 scene when the game first came out, but I kind of stopped after I started playing D3 + LoL.

IMO, its kind of nice seeing a woman pro-gamer at that level of competition (assuming that WCS has a high level of competition).


Don't want to open that bottle again, but biologically it's not really a women, as sad as it is.


I don't get when people say "I don't want to (something)..." and then proceeds to do just exactly that. Just don't write the post, or PM if it's important!


I'd prefer not to, but it's just wrong to claim it's nice to see a women doing good when it's actually no women. Just wanted to clear facts, no big discussion.

User was warned for this post
† Stephano †
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
August 23 2013 15:35 GMT
#3082
On August 24 2013 00:34 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 00:33 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:30 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:28 NPF wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:27 DJHelium wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:26 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:26 Lorning wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:25 TimENT wrote:
Lmao Bomber is the greatest player that will never win a GSL

Don't you mean MKP?


Never heard of him!

Bomber!


Don't you mean Jjakji?

Oh wait, he won one :D:D:D


How about I raise you Seed, atleast Jjakji is the hipster pick, Seed has been forgotten...

Then they are the hater picks of Sniper and Roro


I think Seed is more memorable than Sniper and RorO simply because he's the only other toss champ besides MC.


Seed was also the only player who was at a level comparable to Taeja last summer


Symbol and DRG too I'd say, but yeah Seed was pretty damn good last summer. I miss Seed ;;


Same here man, I had such high hopes for him T_T

I'm so poisoned against protoss that both rain and seed don't really impress me at all lol.

Hero on the other hand..
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
August 23 2013 15:36 GMT
#3083
On August 24 2013 00:34 VisonKai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 00:32 XenOmega wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:31 VisonKai wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:30 XenOmega wrote:
How good is Scarlett? I've followed the SC2 scene when the game first came out, but I kind of stopped after I started playing D3 + LoL.

IMO, its kind of nice seeing a woman pro-gamer at that level of competition (assuming that WCS has a high level of competition).


WCS is the highest level of competition and Scarlett is the best foreigner atm.


And how high does the "best foreigner" put her in term of rest of the competition?


She barely lost to JaeDong 3-2 in ZvZ (JD's best matchup) in WCS AM. Her ZvT consistently smashes terrans. She's probably up there in the top 20 best players atm.


Ty for all your replies
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
August 23 2013 15:36 GMT
#3084
On August 24 2013 00:33 sc2holar wrote:
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On August 24 2013 00:28 DJHelium wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:27 samurai80 wrote:
Grubby's storm were not the best of the world but still really decent. All he did except this was really good but he stills gets completely destroyed. How a protoss is supposed to play a regular match against this ? I was enthusiastic after his wins vs Mvp but now it pisses me off really. This is so stupid.


Bomber is twice as good as Grubby (or any other foreigner), it's not weird that Grubby lost this.

These posts make me sick. This is not Dragon Ball Z wherere people win because they have a higher "power level", this is a real time strategy game where people win because they have better strategy and execution. its more interesting to analyze what Grubby could have done better than just say "Bomber is simply better dont use your brain kk?"


I did try to analyze it a few pages back, check my post history

Basically Grubby's positioning was bad, losing colossi before the fights happened.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
August 23 2013 15:36 GMT
#3085
On August 24 2013 00:34 samurai80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 00:30 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:27 samurai80 wrote:
Grubby's storm were not the best of the world but still really decent. All he did except this was really good but he stills gets completely destroyed. How a protoss is supposed to play a regular match against this ? I was enthusiastic after his wins vs Mvp but now it pisses me off really. This is so stupid.


It's hard to watch because it was so one sided but to be honest Terran got everything he wanted and Grubby just fed him his colossus for free they did nothing both games. That is 18 supply of dead weight and he wasn't even maxed. As a Protoss player you just have to understand when and how to attack a Terran you have to have the stalkers hitting the vikings the feedbacks and storms landing perfect. Terran will roll you for any minor mistake when you play against someone of Bomber's level of play, you cannot make any mistakes there as Protoss.

Grubby alst had everything he wanted. I m pretty sure his stalkers were targetting the vikings, and I am also pretty sure the colossus were at least hitting the bio while they were dying. The only thing maybe was those storms too late to the party although they were already ready. But this was so one sided for such minor mistake. A terran doing the same kind of minor mistakes would not have been crushed that hard.

He started his third at 14'45. 14. minuts. 45. seconds. Doesn't it seem a bit late to you?
75
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4057 Posts
August 23 2013 15:36 GMT
#3086
On August 24 2013 00:35 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Good lord, Innovation vs Taeja after this

It never stops

im more hyped for mma vs scarlet tbh.
but maybe taeja will surprise me. well, or innovation with some meltdown
yo twitch, as long as I can watch 480p lagfree I'm happy
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
August 23 2013 15:36 GMT
#3087
On August 24 2013 00:34 samurai80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 00:30 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:27 samurai80 wrote:
Grubby's storm were not the best of the world but still really decent. All he did except this was really good but he stills gets completely destroyed. How a protoss is supposed to play a regular match against this ? I was enthusiastic after his wins vs Mvp but now it pisses me off really. This is so stupid.


It's hard to watch because it was so one sided but to be honest Terran got everything he wanted and Grubby just fed him his colossus for free they did nothing both games. That is 18 supply of dead weight and he wasn't even maxed. As a Protoss player you just have to understand when and how to attack a Terran you have to have the stalkers hitting the vikings the feedbacks and storms landing perfect. Terran will roll you for any minor mistake when you play against someone of Bomber's level of play, you cannot make any mistakes there as Protoss.

The only thing maybe was those storms too late to the party although they were already ready. But this was so one sided for such minor mistake. A terran doing the same kind of minor mistakes would not have been crushed that hard.

lol, Terrans EMP too late and they get crushed just as bad. It's a game of skill and I wouldn't call the most important spell you have being cast late a 'minor mistake.'
Yhamm is the god of predictions
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
August 23 2013 15:36 GMT
#3088
On August 24 2013 00:34 samurai80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 00:30 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:27 samurai80 wrote:
Grubby's storm were not the best of the world but still really decent. All he did except this was really good but he stills gets completely destroyed. How a protoss is supposed to play a regular match against this ? I was enthusiastic after his wins vs Mvp but now it pisses me off really. This is so stupid.


It's hard to watch because it was so one sided but to be honest Terran got everything he wanted and Grubby just fed him his colossus for free they did nothing both games. That is 18 supply of dead weight and he wasn't even maxed. As a Protoss player you just have to understand when and how to attack a Terran you have to have the stalkers hitting the vikings the feedbacks and storms landing perfect. Terran will roll you for any minor mistake when you play against someone of Bomber's level of play, you cannot make any mistakes there as Protoss.

Grubby alst had everything he wanted. I m pretty sure his stalkers were targetting the vikings, and I am also pretty sure the colossus were at least hitting the bio while they were dying. The only thing maybe was those storms too late to the party although they were already ready. But this was so one sided for such minor mistake. A terran doing the same kind of minor mistakes would not have been crushed that hard.

really? if the ghosts were far back or the vikings were too far back?

ok if the ghosts are too far back then the storms will murder the bio
if the vikings are too far back then forcefields can come up and the collosi can handle the ghosts+bio anyways
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 23 2013 15:36 GMT
#3089
On August 24 2013 00:32 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 00:31 Plansix wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:29 TheDwf wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:28 samurai80 wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:26 Doublemint wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:25 sc2holar wrote:
So how does Protoss beat this build? ar we going to see any constructive/analytical posts here or is it just going to be "GOGO GRUBBY SO GOSU" posts in the next 5 threads?


What is there to say, Bomber on another level sums it up fair and simple.

No. Just no.

Are you seriously saying Grubby has the same level as Bomber?

They are both very talented. I feel that Grubby is just not used to playing against that style and with such tight engagements. He normally likes to chip away at this opponents with his multitasking.


Definitely, Grubby plays a much more HerO-esque style rather than what he did last game which was something Rain would've done

Grubby’s biggest weakness is the style where there is one huge fight that settles the game and a lot of Korean players use that against him. I don’t think he gets to play against it a lot and the good Korean players have gotten it down to such a science that losing a single colossi can cost you the game. If Grubby gets past that part of the game, he is very good at pulling his opponent apart. But he needs to get their.

Huge bummer. Hopefully he can come back.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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SAFenix
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada439 Posts
August 23 2013 15:36 GMT
#3090
Wow I wake up and see that Rain sucked a huge D. Wtf happened?
Also nooo Grubby
mYi.Rain | SKT1.soO
SigmaoctanusIV
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States3313 Posts
August 23 2013 15:36 GMT
#3091
On August 24 2013 00:34 samurai80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 00:30 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:27 samurai80 wrote:
Grubby's storm were not the best of the world but still really decent. All he did except this was really good but he stills gets completely destroyed. How a protoss is supposed to play a regular match against this ? I was enthusiastic after his wins vs Mvp but now it pisses me off really. This is so stupid.


It's hard to watch because it was so one sided but to be honest Terran got everything he wanted and Grubby just fed him his colossus for free they did nothing both games. That is 18 supply of dead weight and he wasn't even maxed. As a Protoss player you just have to understand when and how to attack a Terran you have to have the stalkers hitting the vikings the feedbacks and storms landing perfect. Terran will roll you for any minor mistake when you play against someone of Bomber's level of play, you cannot make any mistakes there as Protoss.

Grubby alst had everything he wanted. I m pretty sure his stalkers were targetting the vikings, and I am also pretty sure the colossus were at least hitting the bio while they were dying. The only thing maybe was those storms too late to the party although they were already ready. But this was so one sided for such minor mistake. A terran doing the same kind of minor mistakes would not have been crushed that hard.


He wasn't maxed his 3rd was 5-10 minutes behind Bomber. Bomber has a largely marine army, Once the colossus die and the emps land he just cuts through the zealots like there weren't there. There isn't an imbalance in the game here just the players.
I am Godzilla You are Japan
leo23
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3075 Posts
August 23 2013 15:37 GMT
#3092
On August 24 2013 00:36 SAFenix wrote:
Wow I wake up and see that Rain sucked a huge D. Wtf happened?
Also nooo Grubby


he got pounded by the dong into submission
banelings
Taipoka
Profile Joined November 2012
Brazil1224 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 15:37:45
August 23 2013 15:37 GMT
#3093
On August 24 2013 00:34 DJHelium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 00:32 KaneZ wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:30 XenOmega wrote:
How good is Scarlett? I've followed the SC2 scene when the game first came out, but I kind of stopped after I started playing D3 + LoL.

IMO, its kind of nice seeing a woman pro-gamer at that level of competition (assuming that WCS has a high level of competition).


Don't want to open that bottle again, but biologically it's not really a women, as sad as it is.


I don't get when people say "I don't want to (something)..." and then proceeds to do just exactly that. Just don't write the post, or PM if it's important!

I don't want to say that you are right.
But you are right.
And in the 7th day, Flash stopped macroing the universe.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10142 Posts
August 23 2013 15:37 GMT
#3094
On August 24 2013 00:36 SAFenix wrote:
Wow I wake up and see that Rain sucked a huge D. Wtf happened?
Also nooo Grubby

The dong happened.
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
August 23 2013 15:37 GMT
#3095
On August 24 2013 00:34 Lorning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 00:33 Wintex wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:32 Lorning wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:32 Wintex wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:31 Lorning wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:27 Wintex wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:26 Lorning wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:25 TimENT wrote:
Lmao Bomber is the greatest player that will never win a GSL

Don't you mean MKP?

Pfft disappear, prime fan.


What you gonna do? Beat me with the unexisting Startale OSL trophy? Or with Life's slump? Oh wait no, it's probably gonna be with Bomber's dissapointing games!

Wow you are a poopfeast now.

A poopfeast with an OSL throphy

Even if your shit is colored gold, it's still shit.

You know who's gonna look like shit? Bomber, when Maru is done with him

Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 00:34 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:32 Lorning wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:32 Wintex wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:31 Lorning wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:27 Wintex wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:26 Lorning wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:25 TimENT wrote:
Lmao Bomber is the greatest player that will never win a GSL

Don't you mean MKP?

Pfft disappear, prime fan.


What you gonna do? Beat me with the unexisting Startale OSL trophy? Or with Life's slump? Oh wait no, it's probably gonna be with Bomber's dissapointing games!

Wow you are a poopfeast now.

A poopfeast with an OSL throphy


Surprised you didn't mention the gstl trophy, what with all the controversy around that win >_>

OH RIGHT, see that Wintex GSTL from LAS VEGAS, totally legit victory

You can't be happy with that shitty trophy when you basically did a JD plug and shit.

wtf

and Maru has worse TvT, srsly.
The Bomber boy
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
August 23 2013 15:37 GMT
#3096
On August 24 2013 00:34 Larkin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 00:32 XenOmega wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:31 VisonKai wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:30 XenOmega wrote:
How good is Scarlett? I've followed the SC2 scene when the game first came out, but I kind of stopped after I started playing D3 + LoL.

IMO, its kind of nice seeing a woman pro-gamer at that level of competition (assuming that WCS has a high level of competition).


WCS is the highest level of competition and Scarlett is the best foreigner atm.


And how high does the "best foreigner" put her in term of rest of the competition?


Like I said she is super good in ZvT, good in ZvZ, and okay in ZvP. She can beat any Terran on her day, but will struggle against Protoss of this caliber. Fortunately she has only Terrans in her group so she has a pretty good shot at advancing and at least making top 8.

XXXXDDDDDDDDDD


imho bomber vs first will be much closer this time around.

or bomber roflstomps him to build up hype for the bomber bomb that suddenly blasts into infinite disappoint at a later roud of the tournament...
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
Prog455
Profile Joined April 2012
Denmark970 Posts
August 23 2013 15:37 GMT
#3097
On August 24 2013 00:30 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 00:28 NPF wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:27 DJHelium wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:26 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:26 Lorning wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:25 TimENT wrote:
Lmao Bomber is the greatest player that will never win a GSL

Don't you mean MKP?


Never heard of him!

Bomber!


Don't you mean Jjakji?

Oh wait, he won one :D:D:D


How about I raise you Seed, atleast Jjakji is the hipster pick, Seed has been forgotten...

Then they are the hater picks of Sniper and Roro


I think Seed is more memorable than Sniper and RorO simply because he's the only other toss champ besides MC.


Sniper is by far the least memorable GSL Champion of all time. He won at a time where Zerg literally winning everything, and on top of that his GSL was held at IPL 5 where Zergs where dominating.
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 15:38:13
August 23 2013 15:38 GMT
#3098
Bomber's head looks like an egg in this pic lol
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KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
August 23 2013 15:38 GMT
#3099
Wintex v Lorning LR grudge match?
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
August 23 2013 15:38 GMT
#3100
On August 24 2013 00:31 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 00:30 samurai80 wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:29 TheDwf wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:28 samurai80 wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:26 Doublemint wrote:
On August 24 2013 00:25 sc2holar wrote:
So how does Protoss beat this build? ar we going to see any constructive/analytical posts here or is it just going to be "GOGO GRUBBY SO GOSU" posts in the next 5 threads?


What is there to say, Bomber on another level sums it up fair and simple.

No. Just no.

Are you seriously saying Grubby has the same level as Bomber?

I am saying this doesn't matter. Are u dumb ?

So when someone much better beats an inferior player, the skill difference somehow doesn't matter. I see, it makes sense.

Then I guess you are dumb not to understand what I am saying...

To explain gently to you dude, I meant what matters is why one player is better than the other one on one particular game. Otherwise why should Grubby have won this series vs Mvp ? I am pretty sure you are not going to say that it's because he's better than Mvp. I am also pretty sure you had great excuses about why Mvp lost at that time. So why can't you explain it when it's not your favorite player that loses ?
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