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Stop the balance whining please.
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3301 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 21:35:43
August 11 2013 21:35 GMT
#1261
They are both great players, but Polt is going to crush Taeja.
3-1 or 3-0.

Very few holes in Polt's play. He is quite intelligent and has great control.
T P Z sagi
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
August 11 2013 21:35 GMT
#1262
On August 12 2013 06:34 Havik_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 06:32 Yonnua wrote:
"in the top right, playing the terran race, Liquid'Taeja"

OMFG Frodan you can't talk about somebody's race on stream! NASL doesn't endorse his comments.



Lawl! Starcraft is racist if you mention that there are races! We should all play random!!


starcraft so speciesist
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
czaku
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland429 Posts
August 11 2013 21:35 GMT
#1263
On August 12 2013 06:32 Yonnua wrote:
"in the top right, playing the terran race, Liquid'Taeja"

OMFG Frodan you can't talk about somebody's race on stream! NASL doesn't endorse his comments.


I am playing Protoss and i find it offensive to not have a Protoss player in semis. Fire all NASL staff.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 21:35:46
August 11 2013 21:35 GMT
#1264
On August 12 2013 06:34 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 06:32 Pandain wrote:
On August 12 2013 06:25 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 12 2013 06:24 Pandain wrote:
On August 12 2013 06:22 chipmonklord17 wrote:
On August 12 2013 06:21 Jockmcplop wrote:
I don't wanna read through the whole thread what happened?


terry called a black man black


Well he was clearly uncomfortable, and I would be too.

Being called out for who I am isn't what I would want to do there as a SC2 fan. Like that doesn't help grow the scene and it doesn't help make the minority SC2 fans go to other events.


And you think NASL making such a big fuss over it (much bigger than the community itself) makes him feel more comfortable?

I always laugh my fucking ass off when you whiteknights come in and pretend to know what that person was thinking... because most of the time they were probably amused and you're making it to be a much bigger issue than it was or should have been, in trying to "defend" them.


I didn't want to get into this but since you resort to name-calling I guess I will share my view.

Yes, what Terry did was unprofessional at a SC2 event. NASL didn't over publicize the issue, they simply made a twitter post apologizing to those who were offended and made sure the event went on to please those.

Terry wasn't racist, he was simply trying to be funny, but he was doing it at the expense of another person's event experience, and it was as wrong as if he had made severe fun of the guy with the political science degree.

It's not that Terry's racist, it's he made someone feel uncomfortable. And the way he did would make other people feel uncomfortable going to that event.

I'm not a white-knight for feeling bad for that guy who came all the way from the Virgin Islands to feel super awkward in front of Terry and 40k people. And it wasn't just awkward like awkward conversations, it was awkward because Terry was saying "Hey look at how weird this is! A black guy!"

Your point that NASL then made a bigger fuss out of it, but they did a response to it that said they didn't agree with it. They addressed the problem in the right way. It's ok to make a bigger fuss and dramaticize an issue(even though they really didn't at all, just twitter post and replacing Terry), if you're addressing it in the way to make a statement on the issue.

So don't generalize people, MasterofPuppets and realize we all have opinions, some of which others disagree with, and NASL as a premier SC2 organization is trying to appease everyone despite your philosophical views.


But you're implying he *WAS* feeling awkward which in and of itself is ridiculous because you can't possibly know that.

You're implying just because you feel like this was racist/inappropriate etc, the guy did so as well and that's the irony that stings the most.


Uh, he was clearly uncomfortable.
Re-watch it.

That is the worst part to argue over.

But it wasn't that big of a deal, it's over now. Let's watch the games.
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
August 11 2013 21:35 GMT
#1265
On August 12 2013 06:34 Liltwizzler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 06:30 Fission wrote:
On August 12 2013 06:29 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 12 2013 06:28 Fission wrote:
NASL definitely did the right thing by disciplining Terry. The fact that people in this thread don't see an issue with comments doesn't surprise me in the least (+ Show Spoiler +
"i'm a white male and I think racism doesnt real"
).


Nope. I think people like you are absolutely pathetic because you're pretending to know how that person was feeling. You are making this to be a MUCH bigger thing than it really was, thereby ironically perpetuating the very thing you're pretending to be defending.

Go away.


Let me guess, you're a white male. Am I right? I don't know what that person was feeling. But I sure know what I felt, and I'm pissed.


Lol who cares if he is white and or a male? I am a brown male and I wouldn't care if that happened to me.


Fission is just a self-flagellating whiteknight doing his usual "WHITE MALES ARE THE DEVIL! WHITE MALES ARE THE DEVIL! I'M SO MUCH BETTER THAN YOU EVEN THOUGH I'M ALSO ONE! REPENT!" romp that all people of this sort like to do.

Nothing special to see here.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Dundron2000
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1140 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 21:36:21
August 11 2013 21:35 GMT
#1266
On August 12 2013 06:29 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 06:28 Fission wrote:
NASL definitely did the right thing by disciplining Terry. The fact that people in this thread don't see an issue with comments doesn't surprise me in the least (+ Show Spoiler +
"i'm a white male and I think racism doesnt real"
).


Nope. I think people like you are absolutely pathetic because you're pretending to know how that person was feeling. You are making this to be a MUCH bigger thing than it really was, thereby ironically perpetuating the very thing you're pretending to be preventing.

Go away.


it doesnt have anything to do with how the person was feeling, it was terrys attempt to define the limits of community by identifying the outsider, something deviating from the norm. the implicit assumption is "everybody in here looks and dresses a certain way but i found someone who is different, lets all look at this person." the identification of us the other. its a computer game, its not supposed to be about skin color which why bringing it up made it so god damn awkward and wrong.
n.Die_Jaedong
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
August 11 2013 21:35 GMT
#1267
Wait so i dont care about any of the racism discussion stuff but did a guy just get fired on the spot? Havent been following closely, but that sounds pretty funny in a slightly shocking way
Rhaegal
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States678 Posts
August 11 2013 21:36 GMT
#1268
On August 12 2013 06:35 teddyoojo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 06:33 Fragile51 wrote:
On August 12 2013 06:32 magnaflow wrote:
Only the SC2 community would be offended by that, bunch of little bitches


You can't seriously be this clueless right?

pretty much the other way round, good old esports wouldnt give a fuck


Exactly. The people hellbent on advocating SC2 going mainstream don't know all of the stupid shit like this that would come along with it.
http://www.twitch.tv/agonysc
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
August 11 2013 21:36 GMT
#1269
Can we all just agree that in America race is a really sensitive issue, and that while you personally may have no problem with what Terry said, other people clearly do and if those people complain NASL will be in financial trouble?

Every time there's a race issue on here it's the same old debate where people argue over whether or not the remark was offensive, rather than facing the fact that making comments like that in the current global/US (mostly US) society will likely get you in trouble and it isn't that hard to avoid making said comments.

That being said, I think suspending Terry/fining him or something less extreme would have sufficed.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32747 Posts
August 11 2013 21:36 GMT
#1270
On August 12 2013 06:35 FallDownMarigold wrote:
Wait so i dont care about any of the racism discussion stuff but did a guy just get fired on the spot? Havent been following closely, but that sounds pretty funny in a slightly shocking way

NASL removed Terry from his internship I believe.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
August 11 2013 21:36 GMT
#1271
On August 12 2013 06:34 packrat386 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 06:31 packrat386 wrote:
On August 12 2013 06:28 packrat386 wrote:
(T)TaeJa vs (T)Polt
0 - 0
Map is: Neo Planet S

Taeja is at the: Top Right
Polt is at the: Bot Left


0:00
nothing silly yet

1:00
both players building a rax first
gas for polt

2:00
gas now for taeja
both players building marines
almost even with a faster gas for polt

3:00
polt drops down his fact
2nd gas for polt
reactor for taeja
fact now for taeja

4:00
2nd CC down for taeja
starport building for polt
tech lab as well for polt
and a reactor on the rax for polt


5:00
Banshee and cloak for polt
starport and the 2nd gas for taeja
widow mines for polt
lots of rines for taeja

6:00
taeja scouts the lack of natural CC
polt gets a raven
Taeja gets a banshee and cloak as well

7:00
polt;s banshee is harassing the main of taeja
killing some rines and scvs
cloaking is done
taeja getting a raven

8:00
polts raven is out and chases away taejas banshee
60/50 supply for polt
vikings hunting down taeja's banshee


9:00
polt placing a widow mine outside the nat of taeja
taeja has an scv lead
72/66 supply in polts favor

10:00
polt pushing out a bit
polt lands a scan on the entire army
Polts seeker missiles kill one of the tanks
polts banshee is killing SCVs in the main as well

11:00
both players building tanks
both players getting 1-1 for marines, as well as stim and CS
dreaming of a sunny day
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
August 11 2013 21:36 GMT
#1272
On August 12 2013 06:35 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 06:34 Liltwizzler wrote:
On August 12 2013 06:30 Fission wrote:
On August 12 2013 06:29 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 12 2013 06:28 Fission wrote:
NASL definitely did the right thing by disciplining Terry. The fact that people in this thread don't see an issue with comments doesn't surprise me in the least (+ Show Spoiler +
"i'm a white male and I think racism doesnt real"
).


Nope. I think people like you are absolutely pathetic because you're pretending to know how that person was feeling. You are making this to be a MUCH bigger thing than it really was, thereby ironically perpetuating the very thing you're pretending to be defending.

Go away.


Let me guess, you're a white male. Am I right? I don't know what that person was feeling. But I sure know what I felt, and I'm pissed.


Lol who cares if he is white and or a male? I am a brown male and I wouldn't care if that happened to me.


Fission is just a self-flagellating whiteknight doing his usual "WHITE MALES ARE THE DEVIL! WHITE MALES ARE THE DEVIL! I'M SO MUCH BETTER THAN YOU EVEN THOUGH I'M ALSO ONE! REPENT!" romp that all people of this sort like to do.

Nothing special to see here.


Check your privilege, CIS scum! :p

/sarcasm
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
August 11 2013 21:36 GMT
#1273
On August 12 2013 06:35 Tobblish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 06:34 Lonyo wrote:
Poll: Will you be boycotting Korean SC2 casts due to racism?

Yes. Showing the white guys in the crowd is racist. Boycott (65)
 
79%

No, focusing on white guys in the crowd is fine and not racist (17)
 
21%

82 total votes

Your vote: Will you be boycotting Korean SC2 casts due to racism?

(Vote): Yes. Showing the white guys in the crowd is racist. Boycott
(Vote): No, focusing on white guys in the crowd is fine and not racist




On August 12 2013 06:31 Lonyo wrote:
Hey guys, we should all boycott Korean streams, because every time there's a white guy in the crown at Korean SC2 events, or at BW events in the past, they ALWAYS showed the white guys in the audience on the stream, like they didn't belong.

They are SO racist in Korea because they show the white guys in the crowd. Everyone boycott Korean Starcraft and complain to sponsors because they are racist.



This is just perfect sorry but you are fucking golden!

Are you singling Golden out because he is Korean? Please be fired
AdministratorBreak the chains
Snijjer
Profile Joined September 2011
United States989 Posts
August 11 2013 21:36 GMT
#1274
Hemorrhage the economy xD

wtf?
AzBozz
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany518 Posts
August 11 2013 21:36 GMT
#1275
what happened with terry?
MMA | MVP|Teaja|Polt|MKP|Byun|Maru|Thorzain|Creator|HasuObs|Socke|Lucifron|Vortix|Mana|Heromarine / PRIME and Mousesports fighting!!
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
August 11 2013 21:37 GMT
#1276
On August 12 2013 06:36 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 06:35 Tobblish wrote:
On August 12 2013 06:34 Lonyo wrote:
Poll: Will you be boycotting Korean SC2 casts due to racism?

Yes. Showing the white guys in the crowd is racist. Boycott (65)
 
79%

No, focusing on white guys in the crowd is fine and not racist (17)
 
21%

82 total votes

Your vote: Will you be boycotting Korean SC2 casts due to racism?

(Vote): Yes. Showing the white guys in the crowd is racist. Boycott
(Vote): No, focusing on white guys in the crowd is fine and not racist




On August 12 2013 06:31 Lonyo wrote:
Hey guys, we should all boycott Korean streams, because every time there's a white guy in the crown at Korean SC2 events, or at BW events in the past, they ALWAYS showed the white guys in the audience on the stream, like they didn't belong.

They are SO racist in Korea because they show the white guys in the crowd. Everyone boycott Korean Starcraft and complain to sponsors because they are racist.



This is just perfect sorry but you are fucking golden!

Are you singling Golden out because he is Korean? Please be fired


You said Korean, the fuck is wrong with you?
Moderator
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
August 11 2013 21:37 GMT
#1277
On August 12 2013 06:35 purakushi wrote:
They are both great players, but Polt is going to crush Taeja.
3-1 or 3-0.

Very few holes in Polt's play. He is quite intelligent and has great control.


I hope so, Polt vs. JD would be SO SICK. :D I've been feeling a little meh on TvZ lately, but the prospect of JD v Polt is gettin' me all fired up. >:D
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
jonich0n
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1982 Posts
August 11 2013 21:37 GMT
#1278
As I said, the way their handling this is bringing more unnecessary attention this than it needed.

You can blame Terry for lack of tact in the heat of the moment, but shit look at NASL.
(>'.')>
simmeh
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada2511 Posts
August 11 2013 21:37 GMT
#1279
minor gripe.. taeja should be blue ingame, and polt should be red

:p
byah!
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
August 11 2013 21:37 GMT
#1280
On August 12 2013 06:31 Godwrath wrote:
I don't know, but with the us laws could someone sue them or something ? I don't see the point on firing Terry for that, but well, wherever you go do what you see, right ?


lol you can't be sued for making a marginally offensive comment in the US. hate speech is very much legally protected here, whether or not you think that's right is a different matter but it is the case.
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