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On August 11 2013 12:15 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 12:13 Black Gun wrote:On August 11 2013 12:02 Darkhoarse wrote:I think the level of play is higher in WCS AM than EU in the ro8. The thing EU has that AM doesn't in the ro8, however, is actual Europeans  i feel the same. but maybe that has to do with the top4 of wcs AM being 4 fan-favourites while wcs EU has hasuobs, duckdeok, welmu and vortix. players that people tend to not really care about. (except for some stray germans for hasu/finnish for welmu/spains for vortix...) mma, mc and grubby are probably also quite a bit worse than jd, taeja and polt. nani and scarlett are probably equally strong. basically... i still think that eu is by far the stronger region in terms of breadth of high-skill gamers. but the very top is composed mostly of koreans in both wcs EU and AM - and for whatever reasons, the koreans that opted for AM turned out to be slightly stronger than the koreans at wcs EU. Yeah I don't think AM is stronger than EU in general just in the Ro8!
Top 4 too.
I'd take ANY of the top 4 of NA over any of the top 4 of Europe in a Bo7.
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On August 11 2013 12:12 Walnuts wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 12:06 Zambrah wrote:On August 11 2013 12:05 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 11 2013 12:04 Zambrah wrote:On August 11 2013 12:02 Darkhoarse wrote:I think the level of play is higher in WCS AM than EU in the ro8. The thing EU has that AM doesn't in the ro8, however, is actual Europeans Namely, WCS AM doesn't have the crying Dutchman, Grubby. :D Yea Grubby is one of the main reasons I'll be tuning in tomorrow. I don't like his chances though. If it wasn't PvP I'd feel a bit more grim, but I think Grubby can make some good stuff happen vs. finale. I'm putting all of my faith in him, so if he loses, you can find me in the corner sobbing. :D grubby MMA finals would be the best
Grubby vs. MMA would likely be pretty boss.
As long as its a good series. ;P I never know if Grubby is break out the kinda adaptive play like we saw against VortiX or if hes just gonna roll over and die... makes loving Grubby hard sometimes. ;_;
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On August 11 2013 12:16 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 12:15 Darkhoarse wrote:On August 11 2013 12:13 Black Gun wrote:On August 11 2013 12:02 Darkhoarse wrote:I think the level of play is higher in WCS AM than EU in the ro8. The thing EU has that AM doesn't in the ro8, however, is actual Europeans i feel the same. but maybe that has to do with the top4 of wcs AM being 4 fan-favourites while wcs EU has hasuobs, duckdeok, welmu and vortix. players that people tend to not really care about. (except for some stray germans for hasu/finnish for welmu/spains for vortix...) mma, mc and grubby are probably also quite a bit worse than jd, taeja and polt. nani and scarlett are probably equally strong. basically... i still think that eu is by far the stronger region in terms of breadth of high-skill gamers. but the very top is composed mostly of koreans in both wcs EU and AM - and for whatever reasons, the koreans that opted for AM turned out to be slightly stronger than the koreans at wcs EU. Yeah I don't think AM is stronger than EU in general just in the Ro8! Top 4 too. I'd take ANY of the top 4 of NA over any of the top 4 of Europe in a Bo7.
im not sure if i would consider jd or scarlett favourites over mc or duckdeok.
but polt and taeja would stomp anyone from the top4 of wcs EU.
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Hahaha its great that people can say "the almighty dong" in public without being arrested
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On August 11 2013 12:17 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 12:12 Walnuts wrote:On August 11 2013 12:06 Zambrah wrote:On August 11 2013 12:05 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 11 2013 12:04 Zambrah wrote:On August 11 2013 12:02 Darkhoarse wrote:I think the level of play is higher in WCS AM than EU in the ro8. The thing EU has that AM doesn't in the ro8, however, is actual Europeans Namely, WCS AM doesn't have the crying Dutchman, Grubby. :D Yea Grubby is one of the main reasons I'll be tuning in tomorrow. I don't like his chances though. If it wasn't PvP I'd feel a bit more grim, but I think Grubby can make some good stuff happen vs. finale. I'm putting all of my faith in him, so if he loses, you can find me in the corner sobbing. :D grubby MMA finals would be the best Grubby vs. MMA would likely be pretty boss. As long as its a good series. ;P I never know if Grubby is break out the kinda adaptive play like we saw against VortiX or if hes just gonna roll over and die... makes loving Grubby hard sometimes. ;_;
I'm just going to be sad if we see an MC v Finale finals. Just doesn't inspire much.
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On August 11 2013 12:11 Walnuts wrote:
wow its so empty
It's been a super long day and not really the most meaningful match.
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On August 11 2013 12:18 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 12:17 Zambrah wrote:On August 11 2013 12:12 Walnuts wrote:On August 11 2013 12:06 Zambrah wrote:On August 11 2013 12:05 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 11 2013 12:04 Zambrah wrote:On August 11 2013 12:02 Darkhoarse wrote:I think the level of play is higher in WCS AM than EU in the ro8. The thing EU has that AM doesn't in the ro8, however, is actual Europeans Namely, WCS AM doesn't have the crying Dutchman, Grubby. :D Yea Grubby is one of the main reasons I'll be tuning in tomorrow. I don't like his chances though. If it wasn't PvP I'd feel a bit more grim, but I think Grubby can make some good stuff happen vs. finale. I'm putting all of my faith in him, so if he loses, you can find me in the corner sobbing. :D grubby MMA finals would be the best Grubby vs. MMA would likely be pretty boss. As long as its a good series. ;P I never know if Grubby is break out the kinda adaptive play like we saw against VortiX or if hes just gonna roll over and die... makes loving Grubby hard sometimes. ;_; I'm just going to be sad if we see an MC v Finale finals. Just doesn't inspire much.
true, but mc is boss enough to make at least the pregame and postgame interviews epic.
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On August 11 2013 12:17 Black Gun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 12:16 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 11 2013 12:15 Darkhoarse wrote:On August 11 2013 12:13 Black Gun wrote:On August 11 2013 12:02 Darkhoarse wrote:I think the level of play is higher in WCS AM than EU in the ro8. The thing EU has that AM doesn't in the ro8, however, is actual Europeans i feel the same. but maybe that has to do with the top4 of wcs AM being 4 fan-favourites while wcs EU has hasuobs, duckdeok, welmu and vortix. players that people tend to not really care about. (except for some stray germans for hasu/finnish for welmu/spains for vortix...) mma, mc and grubby are probably also quite a bit worse than jd, taeja and polt. nani and scarlett are probably equally strong. basically... i still think that eu is by far the stronger region in terms of breadth of high-skill gamers. but the very top is composed mostly of koreans in both wcs EU and AM - and for whatever reasons, the koreans that opted for AM turned out to be slightly stronger than the koreans at wcs EU. Yeah I don't think AM is stronger than EU in general just in the Ro8! Top 4 too. I'd take ANY of the top 4 of NA over any of the top 4 of Europe in a Bo7. im not sure if i would consider jd or scarlett favourites over mc or duckdeok. but polt and taeja would stomp anyone from the top4 of wcs EU.
MC has seemed pretty mortal lately, Scarlett or JD are likely super capable of beating MC. At least thats the impression I got when I've seen him play, maybe I'm just too used to the Good 'Ol Bosstoss days...
EDIT: MC + Grubby/MMA in the finals would be cool, I think its a concensus that deukduck should not make the finals. ;P
Also, aLive saying his teammates would run the country into the ground, LOL.
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On August 11 2013 12:18 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 12:17 Black Gun wrote:On August 11 2013 12:16 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 11 2013 12:15 Darkhoarse wrote:On August 11 2013 12:13 Black Gun wrote:On August 11 2013 12:02 Darkhoarse wrote:I think the level of play is higher in WCS AM than EU in the ro8. The thing EU has that AM doesn't in the ro8, however, is actual Europeans i feel the same. but maybe that has to do with the top4 of wcs AM being 4 fan-favourites while wcs EU has hasuobs, duckdeok, welmu and vortix. players that people tend to not really care about. (except for some stray germans for hasu/finnish for welmu/spains for vortix...) mma, mc and grubby are probably also quite a bit worse than jd, taeja and polt. nani and scarlett are probably equally strong. basically... i still think that eu is by far the stronger region in terms of breadth of high-skill gamers. but the very top is composed mostly of koreans in both wcs EU and AM - and for whatever reasons, the koreans that opted for AM turned out to be slightly stronger than the koreans at wcs EU. Yeah I don't think AM is stronger than EU in general just in the Ro8! Top 4 too. I'd take ANY of the top 4 of NA over any of the top 4 of Europe in a Bo7. im not sure if i would consider jd or scarlett favourites over mc or duckdeok. but polt and taeja would stomp anyone from the top4 of wcs EU. MC has seemed pretty mortal lately, Scarlett or JD are likely super capable of beating MC. At least thats the impression I got when I've seen him play, maybe I'm just too used to the Good 'Ol Bosstoss days...
while i agree, i think that both jd's akwardness in zvp and scarletts tendency to go super-standard and safe would make them easy prey for mcs aggression.
im not saying mc would be a 70-30 favourite, but 55-45 sounds possible.
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LOL that alive comment
"if any of my teammates were president they would run the country into the ground"
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On August 11 2013 12:17 Black Gun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 12:16 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 11 2013 12:15 Darkhoarse wrote:On August 11 2013 12:13 Black Gun wrote:On August 11 2013 12:02 Darkhoarse wrote:I think the level of play is higher in WCS AM than EU in the ro8. The thing EU has that AM doesn't in the ro8, however, is actual Europeans i feel the same. but maybe that has to do with the top4 of wcs AM being 4 fan-favourites while wcs EU has hasuobs, duckdeok, welmu and vortix. players that people tend to not really care about. (except for some stray germans for hasu/finnish for welmu/spains for vortix...) mma, mc and grubby are probably also quite a bit worse than jd, taeja and polt. nani and scarlett are probably equally strong. basically... i still think that eu is by far the stronger region in terms of breadth of high-skill gamers. but the very top is composed mostly of koreans in both wcs EU and AM - and for whatever reasons, the koreans that opted for AM turned out to be slightly stronger than the koreans at wcs EU. Yeah I don't think AM is stronger than EU in general just in the Ro8! Top 4 too. I'd take ANY of the top 4 of NA over any of the top 4 of Europe in a Bo7. im not sure if i would consider jd or scarlett favourites over mc or duckdeok. but polt and taeja would stomp anyone from the top4 of wcs EU.
MMA is the only one who would stand a chance against them... and that's only if he plays to the standard he is capable of
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Would be interesting, and it's possible now, to see a Korean winner for WCS KR, a European winner for WCS EU, and a North American winner for WCS America.
Holding out hope for Grubby and Scarlett!
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so Jim is a monster in PvP so far.
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On August 11 2013 12:22 felisconcolori wrote:
Would be interesting, and it's possible now, to see a Korean winner for WCS KR, a European winner for WCS EU, and a North American winner for WCS America.
Holding out hope for Grubby and Scarlett!
I await the day when WCS KR is won by a EU/AM player and WCS EU and AM are won by Koreans. One day, Naniwa... one day...
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On August 11 2013 12:22 felisconcolori wrote:
Would be interesting, and it's possible now, to see a Korean winner for WCS KR, a European winner for WCS EU, and a North American winner for WCS America.
Holding out hope for Grubby and Scarlett!
i dont think scarlett would stand a chance against taeja. against polt... well, i havent seen much of polts tvz lately.
and getting past jd comes first, which in itself is already a monstrous task.
id give scarlett at most a 7% chance of winning this tournament.
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On August 11 2013 12:18 Black Gun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 12:18 Darkhoarse wrote:On August 11 2013 12:17 Zambrah wrote:On August 11 2013 12:12 Walnuts wrote:On August 11 2013 12:06 Zambrah wrote:On August 11 2013 12:05 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 11 2013 12:04 Zambrah wrote:On August 11 2013 12:02 Darkhoarse wrote:I think the level of play is higher in WCS AM than EU in the ro8. The thing EU has that AM doesn't in the ro8, however, is actual Europeans Namely, WCS AM doesn't have the crying Dutchman, Grubby. :D Yea Grubby is one of the main reasons I'll be tuning in tomorrow. I don't like his chances though. If it wasn't PvP I'd feel a bit more grim, but I think Grubby can make some good stuff happen vs. finale. I'm putting all of my faith in him, so if he loses, you can find me in the corner sobbing. :D grubby MMA finals would be the best Grubby vs. MMA would likely be pretty boss. As long as its a good series. ;P I never know if Grubby is break out the kinda adaptive play like we saw against VortiX or if hes just gonna roll over and die... makes loving Grubby hard sometimes. ;_; I'm just going to be sad if we see an MC v Finale finals. Just doesn't inspire much. true, but mc is boss enough to make at least the pregame and postgame interviews epic.
MC would certainly be the highlight.
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On August 11 2013 12:24 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 12:18 Black Gun wrote:On August 11 2013 12:18 Darkhoarse wrote:On August 11 2013 12:17 Zambrah wrote:On August 11 2013 12:12 Walnuts wrote:On August 11 2013 12:06 Zambrah wrote:On August 11 2013 12:05 Vindicare605 wrote:On August 11 2013 12:04 Zambrah wrote:On August 11 2013 12:02 Darkhoarse wrote:I think the level of play is higher in WCS AM than EU in the ro8. The thing EU has that AM doesn't in the ro8, however, is actual Europeans Namely, WCS AM doesn't have the crying Dutchman, Grubby. :D Yea Grubby is one of the main reasons I'll be tuning in tomorrow. I don't like his chances though. If it wasn't PvP I'd feel a bit more grim, but I think Grubby can make some good stuff happen vs. finale. I'm putting all of my faith in him, so if he loses, you can find me in the corner sobbing. :D grubby MMA finals would be the best Grubby vs. MMA would likely be pretty boss. As long as its a good series. ;P I never know if Grubby is break out the kinda adaptive play like we saw against VortiX or if hes just gonna roll over and die... makes loving Grubby hard sometimes. ;_; I'm just going to be sad if we see an MC v Finale finals. Just doesn't inspire much. true, but mc is boss enough to make at least the pregame and postgame interviews epic. MC would certainly be the highlight.
I want MC to do an interview where he exclusively harasses Apollo.
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On August 11 2013 12:23 Black Gun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2013 12:22 felisconcolori wrote:
Would be interesting, and it's possible now, to see a Korean winner for WCS KR, a European winner for WCS EU, and a North American winner for WCS America.
Holding out hope for Grubby and Scarlett! i dont think scarlett would stand a chance against taeja. against polt... well, i havent seen much of polts tvz lately. and getting past jd comes first, which in itself is already a monstruous task. id give scarlett at most a 7% chance of winning this tournament.
Hmm... from Aligulac...
Win Top 2 Top 4
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Polt 34.44% 17.63% 47.93%
TaeJa 32.46% 15.47% 52.07%
Jaedong 25.95% 47.26% 26.79%
Scarlett 7.15% 19.64% 73.21%
+ Show Spoiler + Jaedong 3 ┐
├───── Jaedong 3 ┐
Scarlett 1 ┘ │
├─ Polt
TaeJa 2 ┐ │
├──────── Polt 4 ┘
Polt 3 ┘
Estimated by Aligulac. Modify.
Good guess. Or did you already do this? 
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hahaha oz lost 0-3
shouldn't have cursed yourself
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