A very interesting match up to say the least, and one where the results would not be surprising either way. soO definitely has the better winratio in this matchup however the opponents he's faced are not on the caliber of GuMiho's level except for one match he won against Maru and a loss against Flash. While Gumiho has faced much better opponent's his winrat his a little under 50%. I give the edge to Gumiho based on his history and recent games.
Prediction: GuMiho 2-1 soO
MarineKing vs Bbyong MarineKing in this matchup in HotS he is 1-6 however that does not tell all, 4 of those games were vs jjakji 4 months ago at the mlg winter championships. If we exclude those games he's at 1-1 in tvt, not much to go on. Looking at Bbyongs games he has 3-10 record in tvt, however most of these losses are vs Flash, Innovation and Bomber, basically the top terrans at the moment. With this in the end we really have little to go but I have to favor MKP in this match based on his experiences alone.
Prediction: MarineKing 2-1 Bbyong
Dream vs FanTaSy Dream has looked quite good recently in 2/3 match ups unfortunately tvt is not one of them, the same could be said of Fantasy but he has played well in his games despite his poor winratio where as Dream just does not look as good as he does in his other match ups.
Prediction: Fantasy 2-1 Dream
JangBi vs Leenock This should be a great final match to finish this days games, both players have looked quite good in this matchup as well. It really comes down to how JangBi approaches this match and which builds he uses which will determine the flow of this match.
I want MKP to win but then again, I am annoyed by his stubborn greedy play without scouting. I'll go for Bbyong in that game. Gumiho Bbyong, Dream, Leenock for the win.
A very interesting match up to say the least, and one where the results would not be surprising either way. soO definitely has the better winratio in this matchup however the opponents he's faced are not on the caliber of GuMiho's level except for one match he won against Maru and a loss against Flash. While Gumiho has faced much better opponent's his winrat his a little under 50%. I give the edge to Gumiho based on his history and recent games.
Prediction: GuMiho 2-1 soO
MarineKing vs Bbyong MarineKing in this matchup in HotS he is 1-6 however that does not tell all, 4 of those games were vs jjakji 4 months ago at the mlg winter championships. If we exclude those games he's at 1-1 in tvt, not much to go on. Looking at Bbyongs games he has 3-10 record in tvt, however most of these losses are vs Flash, Innovation and Bomber, basically the top terrans at the moment. With this in the end we really have little to go but I have to favor MKP in this match based on his experiences alone.
Prediction: MarineKing 2-1 Bbyong
Dream vs FanTaSy Dream has looked quite good recently in 2/3 match ups unfortunately tvt is not one of them, the same could be said of Fantasy but he has played well in his games despite his poor winratio where as Dream just does not look as good as he does in his other match ups.
Prediction: Fantasy 2-1 Dream
JangBi vs Leenock This should be a great final match to finish this days games, both players have looked quite good in this matchup as well. It really comes down to how JangBi approaches this match and which builds he uses which will determine the flow of this match.
On July 23 2013 00:39 Qwerty85 wrote: I want MKP to win but then again, I am annoyed by his stubborn greedy play without scouting. I'll go for Bbyong in that game. Gumiho Bbyong, Dream, Leenock for the win.
This is a huge day for all players in more way than one. Gumiho winning this would stop any possibilities of a continued losing stream he has been suffering, no longer phenomenal in his TvZ and falling from one of the top 5 terrains in the world. Meanwhile soo looks to come out of the shadows of his far more popular teammates and be recognized for the talent that he is in the eyes of his fan. A loss would stop this, for now.
Marine king winning this would be a huge boon, as to officially end his slump in the eyes of his fans he would truly need to get into Code S, and a loss will heart break his fans.
Meanwhile Bbyong has been slowly fading into mediocrity and hopes to end that with a far run in this Code A.
Dream has been an MVP prodige forever now; while Fantasy has been failing in Proleague and failing his Broodwar reputation. Jangbi aims to capitalize on his recent successes and advance into Code S, now faced by a Code S veteran struggling in the Heart of the Swarm era. A win for leenock here is absolutely critical for his career as he is at the tipping point of what his fans will think of him in the future.
More than anything, this is a series of honest stories rather than simply exciting matches, with names everyone knows yet is now being decided right here the start of how these names will be remembered.
On July 23 2013 10:57 Pandain wrote: This is a huge day for all players in more way than one. Gumiho winning this would stop any possibilities of a continued losing stream he has been suffering, no longer phenomenal in his TvZ and falling from one of the top 5 terrains in the world. Meanwhile soo looks to come out of the shadows of his far more popular teammates and be recognized for the talent that he is in the eyes of his fan. A loss would stop this, for now.
Marine king winning this would be a huge boon, as to officially end his slump in the eyes of his fans he would truly need to get into Code S, and a loss will heart break his fans.
Meanwhile Bbyong has been slowly fading into mediocrity and hopes to end that with a far run in this Code A.
Dream has been an MVP prodige forever now; while Fantasy has been failing in Proleague and failing his Broodwar reputation. Jangbi aims to capitalize on his recent successes and advance into Code S, now faced by a Code S veteran struggling in the Heart of the Swarm era. A win for leenock here is absolutely critical for his career as he is at the tipping point of what his fans will think of him in the future.
More than anything, this is a series of honest stories rather than simply exciting matches, with names everyone knows yet is now being decided right here the start of how these names will be remembered.
I don't even know if they're still doing it (and assuming this season doesn't count with OSL), but MKP and Leenock are also 9/10 still on that Nestea Award. (Leenock has it already if they're counting OSL, MKP does not).
Out of the 4 players playing TvT today, Fantasy has the highest TvT winrate at 41%. Bbyong is 2nd at 23%. Dream is third at 20%. MKP is last with a 16% winrate in TvT.
What
the
fuck
I guess we will either have incredibly bad games or incredibly funny games
On July 23 2013 11:29 lichter wrote: Out of the 4 players playing TvT today, Fantasy has the highest TvT winrate at 41%. Bbyong is 2nd at 23%. Dream is third at 20%. MKP is last with a 16% winrate in TvT.
What
the
fuck
I guess we will either have incredibly bad games or incredibly funny games
Marineking on a sick 3 game win streak in tvt if you count online matches
On July 23 2013 11:27 stuchiu wrote: Dream has a better chance against an alliance of Rain, First, Life and Roro than he does against Fantasy.
I disagree Fantasy plays very harassment focused and so does Dream, and those kinds of games can easily turn to one side or the other, with the most important thing being the builds they chose.
Not that he necessarily has the advantage, although I think he does, but it's no where near certain and Fantasy isn't a God, hasn't been, has struggled regularly against ESF players, and most importantly plays a very very relatively flimsy style which matches up well for Dream in this case.
On July 23 2013 11:29 lichter wrote: Out of the 4 players playing TvT today, Fantasy has the highest TvT winrate at 41%. Bbyong is 2nd at 23%. Dream is third at 20%. MKP is last with a 16% winrate in TvT.
What
the
fuck
I guess we will either have incredibly bad games or incredibly funny games
If only they could fusion dance and combine their TvT winrate to 100%.
On July 23 2013 11:27 stuchiu wrote: Dream has a better chance against an alliance of Rain, First, Life and Roro than he does against Fantasy.
I disagree Fantasy plays very harassment focused and so does Dream, and those kinds of games can easily turn to one side or the other, with the most important thing being the builds they chose.
Not that he necessarily has the advantage, although I think he does, but it's no where near certain and Fantasy isn't a God, hasn't been, has struggled regularly against ESF players, and most importantly plays a very very relatively flimsy style which matches up well for Dream in this case.
On July 23 2013 11:29 lichter wrote: Out of the 4 players playing TvT today, Fantasy has the highest TvT winrate at 41%. Bbyong is 2nd at 23%. Dream is third at 20%. MKP is last with a 16% winrate in TvT.
What
the
fuck
I guess we will either have incredibly bad games or incredibly funny games
If only they could fusion dance and combine their TvT winrate to 100%.
On July 23 2013 11:29 lichter wrote: Out of the 4 players playing TvT today, Fantasy has the highest TvT winrate at 41%. Bbyong is 2nd at 23%. Dream is third at 20%. MKP is last with a 16% winrate in TvT.
What
the
fuck
I guess we will either have incredibly bad games or incredibly funny games
If only they could fusion dance and combine their TvT winrate to 100%.
Hahahahaha that's funny.
Going to go check these supposedly awful TvT stats, I will be so confused if they are accurate
On July 23 2013 11:29 lichter wrote: Out of the 4 players playing TvT today, Fantasy has the highest TvT winrate at 41%. Bbyong is 2nd at 23%. Dream is third at 20%. MKP is last with a 16% winrate in TvT.
What
the
fuck
I guess we will either have incredibly bad games or incredibly funny games
If only they could fusion dance and combine their TvT winrate to 100%.
Hahahahaha that's funny.
Going to go check these supposedly awful TvT stats, I will be so confused if they are accurate
On July 23 2013 11:28 Shellshock1122 wrote: They should swap it for Dream vs Bbyong and Marineking vs Fantasy. Would probably be better games
That would be awful, Marine King would get crushed and Dream Bbyong would be a bad series.
Fantasy>Dream>Marineking in my opinion, I don't watch enough Bbyong though to honestly make a judgement where he would go.
Bbyong is modern day Ensnare/Virus.
Bbyong has really good, maybe even incredible micro, but his game sense is a lump of coal. He's been floating around Code S for a while but he never gets sent out in Proleague.
On July 23 2013 11:29 lichter wrote: Out of the 4 players playing TvT today, Fantasy has the highest TvT winrate at 41%. Bbyong is 2nd at 23%. Dream is third at 20%. MKP is last with a 16% winrate in TvT.
What
the
fuck
I guess we will either have incredibly bad games or incredibly funny games
If only they could fusion dance and combine their TvT winrate to 100%.
Hahahahaha that's funny.
Going to go check these supposedly awful TvT stats, I will be so confused if they are accurate
On July 23 2013 11:29 lichter wrote: Out of the 4 players playing TvT today, Fantasy has the highest TvT winrate at 41%. Bbyong is 2nd at 23%. Dream is third at 20%. MKP is last with a 16% winrate in TvT.
What
the
fuck
I guess we will either have incredibly bad games or incredibly funny games
If only they could fusion dance and combine their TvT winrate to 100%.
Hahahahaha that's funny.
Going to go check these supposedly awful TvT stats, I will be so confused if they are accurate
On July 23 2013 11:29 lichter wrote: Out of the 4 players playing TvT today, Fantasy has the highest TvT winrate at 41%. Bbyong is 2nd at 23%. Dream is third at 20%. MKP is last with a 16% winrate in TvT.
What
the
fuck
I guess we will either have incredibly bad games or incredibly funny games
If only they could fusion dance and combine their TvT winrate to 100%.
Hahahahaha that's funny.
Going to go check these supposedly awful TvT stats, I will be so confused if they are accurate
On July 23 2013 11:29 lichter wrote: Out of the 4 players playing TvT today, Fantasy has the highest TvT winrate at 41%. Bbyong is 2nd at 23%. Dream is third at 20%. MKP is last with a 16% winrate in TvT.
What
the
fuck
I guess we will either have incredibly bad games or incredibly funny games
If only they could fusion dance and combine their TvT winrate to 100%.
Hahahahaha that's funny.
Going to go check these supposedly awful TvT stats, I will be so confused if they are accurate
'Leenock definitely the favourite' uhhh, no. Even if Jangbi isn't the favourite, it's at best close for Leenock given recent performance, and Jangbi's PvZ
On July 23 2013 13:02 Waxangel wrote: is soO a member of the injustice league? or has he not eliminated enough fan favorites yet?
I haven't seen him make a girl cry, make an entire career collecting tears of Bisu fans, be public-ally called evil on a cast or eliminate every fan favorite on stream in a 3 day stream with cannon rushes.
On July 23 2013 13:02 Waxangel wrote: is soO a member of the injustice league? or has he not eliminated enough fan favorites yet?
I haven't seen him make a girl cry, make an entire career collecting tears of Bisu fans, be public-ally called evil on a cast or eliminate every fan favorite on stream in a 3 day stream with cannon rushes.
He could be a pledge like duckdeok though.
Who eliminated every fan favorite via cannon rushes? Is that bubbles or gaulzi or something?
On July 23 2013 13:02 Waxangel wrote: is soO a member of the injustice league? or has he not eliminated enough fan favorites yet?
I haven't seen him make a girl cry, make an entire career collecting tears of Bisu fans, be public-ally called evil on a cast or eliminate every fan favorite on stream in a 3 day stream with cannon rushes.
He could be a pledge like duckdeok though.
Who eliminated every fan favorite via cannon rushes? Is that bubbles or gaulzi or something?
Bubbles. And by fan favorite I mean take out Coach Park, a 13 year old and Nony.
On July 23 2013 13:02 Waxangel wrote: is soO a member of the injustice league? or has he not eliminated enough fan favorites yet?
I haven't seen him make a girl cry, make an entire career collecting tears of Bisu fans, be public-ally called evil on a cast or eliminate every fan favorite on stream in a 3 day stream with cannon rushes.
He could be a pledge like duckdeok though.
Who eliminated every fan favorite via cannon rushes? Is that bubbles or gaulzi or something?
Don't think I've ever seen a ling-bling vs. marine-mine last for so long.. would have been a bit closer if Soo had earlier mutas to keep the medi count down.
On July 23 2013 13:30 BathTubNZ wrote: So does MKP still qualify for the Nestea award if he makes it back in? Or was it officially dropped by GOM?
If he wins, he gets it. So does Leenock.
do we actually have recent confirmation of that? I know chae said it was the case months ago but I wouldn't be surprised if they just sweep it under the rug.
Love seeing dat classic Gumiho micro back in action.
A few splits were lacking but that was when he was microing elsewhere.... That one split tho! Toward the end of the game, at the left side "hidden" base soO had taken was so immaculate I had to give a little nerd cheer.
On July 23 2013 13:36 Megapenthes wrote: Is this online? They don't seem to be showing the players in the studio at all.
Surprised at the lack of twitch viewers as well. Well actually, as I check it again now, it's already climbed from 3.5k to 4.5k in the last 10 minutes or so
On July 18 2013 08:38 MajOr wrote: who ever writed this dont really know how good soo was in bw i think he got to semifinal or quarter final of an OSL so calling him mediocre is quite the thing
On July 18 2013 08:38 MajOr wrote: who ever writed this dont really know how good soo was in bw i think he got to semifinal or quarter final of an OSL so calling him mediocre is quite the thing
On July 23 2013 13:53 Rhaegal wrote: Guess he don't give a fuck because his team isn't in the finals, and there is still up and downs... but still.... wtf that game haha
Yeh he probably didn't practice or someshit right? + Show Spoiler +
On July 23 2013 13:53 Rhaegal wrote: Guess he don't give a fuck because his team isn't in the finals, and there is still up and downs... but still.... wtf that game haha
Yeh he probably didn't practice or someshit right? + Show Spoiler +
you're a moron
well best was streaming this other game for a bit, they're on vacation or something?
Surprised Moon is leading. He was fairly new at the time and everyone was pretty bad during those early WOL. Given how good soO is, I'm just in utter shock at that baneling bust.
On July 23 2013 13:54 Dark.Carnival wrote: well despite how dumb that game was I'm glad Gumiho made it through~ now MKP needs to lose and it will be a successful day of Code A
The amount of violent rage this sentence makes me feel is indescribable.
On July 23 2013 13:57 ladysman09 wrote: Which game was it when that one esf terran failed 11/11 rax against the kespa zerg who went double hatch before pool?
And was this game worse than that game maybe?
IMhappy vs roro, happy fled back to Japan out of shame due to that series
On July 23 2013 13:57 ladysman09 wrote: Which game was it when that one esf terran failed 11/11 rax against the kespa zerg who went double hatch before pool?
On July 23 2013 13:54 Dark.Carnival wrote: well despite how dumb that game was I'm glad Gumiho made it through~ now MKP needs to lose and it will be a successful day of Code A
The amount of violent rage this sentence makes me feel is indescribable.
On July 23 2013 13:53 Rhaegal wrote: Guess he don't give a fuck because his team isn't in the finals, and there is still up and downs... but still.... wtf that game haha
Wouldn't his team being in the finals mean that he'd be focusing on that and not caring as much about individual league (assuming you're talking about PL)? What kind of logic is that lol. Since his team isn't in the running for PL finals anymore it seems to me that he'd have all the time he wants to focus on individual league
(Vote): Pumas proxy 2 rax fail in spl? (Vote): This game?
Happy vs roro says hi
Still not as funny as proxying two raxes, floating them up into his base then typing gg at 3 minutes.
What about nestea vs haruhi and hyvaa vs fantasy, haruhi gets 6 pooled calls "fuck life" and ggs in the shortest proper match until said hyvaa vs fantasy
(Vote): Pumas proxy 2 rax fail in spl? (Vote): This game?
Happy vs roro says hi
Still not as funny as proxying two raxes, floating them up into his base then typing gg at 3 minutes.
What about nestea vs haruhi and hyvaa vs fantasy, haruhi gets 6 pooled calls "fuck life" and ggs in the shortest proper match until said hyvaa vs fantasy
the thing is there was ridiculous hype around EGTL/PuMa that time and he proceeded to pull that stuff. Worst fail in the history of sc2, all things combined
(Vote): Pumas proxy 2 rax fail in spl? (Vote): This game?
Happy vs roro says hi
Still not as funny as proxying two raxes, floating them up into his base then typing gg at 3 minutes.
What about nestea vs haruhi and hyvaa vs fantasy, haruhi gets 6 pooled calls "fuck life" and ggs in the shortest proper match until said hyvaa vs fantasy
the thing is there was ridiculous hype around EGTL/PuMa that time and he proceeded to pull that stuff. Worst fail in the history of sc2, all things combined
(Vote): Pumas proxy 2 rax fail in spl? (Vote): This game?
Happy vs roro says hi
Still not as funny as proxying two raxes, floating them up into his base then typing gg at 3 minutes.
What about nestea vs haruhi and hyvaa vs fantasy, haruhi gets 6 pooled calls "fuck life" and ggs in the shortest proper match until said hyvaa vs fantasy
I didn't see the nestea vs haruhi game. The reason 6pool games that win or lose aren't on my list of funny games generally is it's still a strat thats hard to fuck up, not just quick.
That cannon rush at mlg where the player forgot the forge is another stupid game.
On July 23 2013 13:54 Dark.Carnival wrote: well despite how dumb that game was I'm glad Gumiho made it through~ now MKP needs to lose and it will be a successful day of Code A
The amount of violent rage this sentence makes me feel is indescribable.
I have faith in MKP tho.
I really want to be a fan of MKP but I just can't
The glasses...His hair...Not scouting ever...Terran player...
I always subconsciously cheer against him without in even realizing it. Like my brain is sending me a signal ^^
did they really just say that MKP "sometimes chokes" in Code A? considering he's been in Code S every season but 1 (and he finished runner up in that Code A--yes, it was back when there was a Code A champion!), I'm going to go ahead and say no to that one
(Vote): Pumas proxy 2 rax fail in spl? (Vote): This game?
Happy vs roro says hi
Still not as funny as proxying two raxes, floating them up into his base then typing gg at 3 minutes.
What about nestea vs haruhi and hyvaa vs fantasy, haruhi gets 6 pooled calls "fuck life" and ggs in the shortest proper match until said hyvaa vs fantasy
I didn't see the nestea vs haruhi game. The reason 6pool games that win or lose aren't on my list of funny games generally is it's still a strat thats hard to fuck up, not just quick.
That cannon rush at mlg where the player forgot the forge is another stupid game.
The entire hyvaa vs fantasy cast was just Tastosis reminiscing over some of the dumbest and funniest games in starcraft history.
On July 23 2013 14:07 Fionn wrote: If Maru wins tonight, he'll be the third Prime Terran to have made it a GSL/OSL semifinal more recently than MarineKing.
(Vote): Pumas proxy 2 rax fail in spl? (Vote): This game?
Happy vs roro says hi
Still not as funny as proxying two raxes, floating them up into his base then typing gg at 3 minutes.
What about nestea vs haruhi and hyvaa vs fantasy, haruhi gets 6 pooled calls "fuck life" and ggs in the shortest proper match until said hyvaa vs fantasy
I didn't see the nestea vs haruhi game. The reason 6pool games that win or lose aren't on my list of funny games generally is it's still a strat thats hard to fuck up, not just quick.
That cannon rush at mlg where the player forgot the forge is another stupid game.
The entire hyvaa vs fantasy cast was just Tastosis reminiscing over some of the dumbest and funniest games in starcraft history.
I saw the fantasy vs hyvaa game, it was pretty funny :D
On July 23 2013 14:07 Fionn wrote: If Maru wins tonight, he'll be the third Prime Terran to have made it a GSL/OSL semifinal more recently than MarineKing.
On July 23 2013 14:09 PhoenixVoid wrote: This is one of the strangest days of Code A ever. Something about today is compelling every player to do their worst.
When code S is on the line for bbyong he will alter reality to his whims. So that he may accomplish nothing in code S.
God everything about this night, from the failed games, to the failed intro, to the stupid games being brought up in the forum. My pashun is hitting new hights :D
On July 23 2013 14:13 PhoenixVoid wrote: No worries guys, the memories of Code A will be cleansed by the glory of INoVation vs Soulkey and Symbol vs Maru.
On July 23 2013 14:13 PhoenixVoid wrote: No worries guys, the memories of Code A will be cleansed by the glory of INoVation vs Soulkey and Symbol vs Maru.
Inb4 innovation vs soulkey is just soulkey failing the bust soo did 3 times And still wins
On July 23 2013 14:13 PhoenixVoid wrote: No worries guys, the memories of Code A will be cleansed by the glory of INoVation vs Soulkey and Symbol vs Maru.
Inb4 innovation vs soulkey is just soulkey failing the bust soo did 3 times And still wins
this is all just building up to the epic fail that will be Innovation vs Soulkey, somehow they will play even worse, for 5 games... ok that's probably impossible
this is reminding me of why I highly disliked the last patch, Buffing a unit that can't attack itself creates for stale yet surprisingly funny gameplay. Not really good for the game though besides humor
On July 23 2013 14:23 VayneAuthority wrote: this is reminding me of why I highly disliked the last patch, Buffing a unit that can't attack itself creates for stale yet surprisingly funny gameplay. Not really good for the game though besides humor
MarineKing is like one of those child actors who got old and is just kinda sad to watch nowadays. He got replaced by a smaller, less dyed version of himself in Maru.
On July 23 2013 14:24 Fusilero wrote: Remember when marineking was considered to be better than maru?
I can't remember all the way back to mid 2012.
can you remember IPL4?
Alive won. Squirtle god second. Nestea got third using slow ling all-ins that Leenock would steal to plague Protosses for the rest of WoL. MKP won GSTL under bad circumstances affecting his bracket play the next day getting eliminated early on. Scarlett beat Annyeong and he retired.
On July 23 2013 14:24 Fusilero wrote: Remember when marineking was considered to be better than maru?
I can't remember all the way back to mid 2012.
can you remember IPL4?
Alive won. Squirtle god second. Nestea got third using slow ling all-ins that Leenock would steal to plague Protosses for the rest of WoL. MKP won GSTL under bad circumstances affecting his bracket play the next day getting eliminated early on. Scarlett beat Annyeong and he retired.
On July 23 2013 14:24 Fusilero wrote: Remember when marineking was considered to be better than maru?
I can't remember all the way back to mid 2012.
can you remember IPL4?
Alive won. Squirtle god second. Nestea got third using slow ling all-ins that Leenock would steal to plague Protosses for the rest of WoL. MKP won GSTL under bad circumstances affecting his bracket play the next day getting eliminated early on. Scarlett beat Annyeong and he retired.
On July 23 2013 14:24 Fusilero wrote: Remember when marineking was considered to be better than maru?
I can't remember all the way back to mid 2012.
can you remember IPL4?
Alive won. Squirtle god second. Nestea got third using slow ling all-ins that Leenock would steal to plague Protosses for the rest of WoL. MKP won GSTL under bad circumstances affecting his bracket play the next day getting eliminated early on. Scarlett beat Annyeong and he retired.
Remember when mkp all killed startale after that gstl teamleague debacle?
On July 23 2013 14:24 Fusilero wrote: Remember when marineking was considered to be better than maru?
I can't remember all the way back to mid 2012.
can you remember IPL4?
Alive won. Squirtle god second. Nestea got third using slow ling all-ins that Leenock would steal to plague Protosses for the rest of WoL. MKP won GSTL under bad circumstances affecting his bracket play the next day getting eliminated early on. Scarlett beat Annyeong and he retired.
Remember when mkp all killed startale after that gstl teamleague debacle?
On July 23 2013 14:27 Fionn wrote: MarineKing is like one of those child actors who got old and is just kinda sad to watch nowadays. He got replaced by a smaller, less dyed version of himself in Maru.
On July 23 2013 14:24 Fusilero wrote: Remember when marineking was considered to be better than maru?
I can't remember all the way back to mid 2012.
can you remember IPL4?
Alive won. Squirtle god second. Nestea got third using slow ling all-ins that Leenock would steal to plague Protosses for the rest of WoL. MKP won GSTL under bad circumstances affecting his bracket play the next day getting eliminated early on. Scarlett beat Annyeong and he retired.
Remember when mkp all killed startale after that gstl teamleague debacle?
Yes in KSL. (I miss that league)
The rise of both life and taeja featured pretty heavily in those leagues :D
On July 23 2013 14:24 Fusilero wrote: Remember when marineking was considered to be better than maru?
I can't remember all the way back to mid 2012.
can you remember IPL4?
Alive won. Squirtle god second. Nestea got third using slow ling all-ins that Leenock would steal to plague Protosses for the rest of WoL. MKP won GSTL under bad circumstances affecting his bracket play the next day getting eliminated early on. Scarlett beat Annyeong and he retired.
Remember when mkp all killed startale after that gstl teamleague debacle?
Yes in KSL. (I miss that league)
The rise of both life and taeja featured pretty heavily in those leagues :D
You're thinking of ESV, KSL was where marineking exploded people and zenex inexplicably finished 3rd.
On July 23 2013 14:24 Fusilero wrote: Remember when marineking was considered to be better than maru?
I can't remember all the way back to mid 2012.
can you remember IPL4?
Alive won. Squirtle god second. Nestea got third using slow ling all-ins that Leenock would steal to plague Protosses for the rest of WoL. MKP won GSTL under bad circumstances affecting his bracket play the next day getting eliminated early on. Scarlett beat Annyeong and he retired.
Remember when mkp all killed startale after that gstl teamleague debacle?
Yes in KSL. (I miss that league)
The rise of both life and taeja featured pretty heavily in those leagues :D
On July 23 2013 14:24 Fusilero wrote: Remember when marineking was considered to be better than maru?
I can't remember all the way back to mid 2012.
can you remember IPL4?
Alive won. Squirtle god second. Nestea got third using slow ling all-ins that Leenock would steal to plague Protosses for the rest of WoL. MKP won GSTL under bad circumstances affecting his bracket play the next day getting eliminated early on. Scarlett beat Annyeong and he retired.
Remember when mkp all killed startale after that gstl teamleague debacle?
On July 23 2013 14:24 Fusilero wrote: Remember when marineking was considered to be better than maru?
I can't remember all the way back to mid 2012.
can you remember IPL4?
Alive won. Squirtle god second. Nestea got third using slow ling all-ins that Leenock would steal to plague Protosses for the rest of WoL. MKP won GSTL under bad circumstances affecting his bracket play the next day getting eliminated early on. Scarlett beat Annyeong and he retired.
Remember when mkp all killed startale after that gstl teamleague debacle?
I remember when Maru did it too.
I'm pretty sure that was like the grand re-debut of maru after getting owned by fruitdealer one code A and presumably returning to school for a bit. It was after that he started his rise.
So disappointing watching him lose that way. Then again I rather him put on a show and get me on the edge of my seat then to just fail somehow and get dominated.
I get this awful feelings jangbi and leenock will be tryhard cunts and do stupid stuff like play competently, think things through and control properly.
On July 23 2013 14:44 Fusilero wrote: I get this awful feelings jangbi and leenock will be tryhard cunts and do stupid stuff like play competently, think things through and control properly.
Blasphemy! Who gave them permission to use proper decision making!
On July 23 2013 14:44 Fusilero wrote: I get this awful feelings jangbi and leenock will be tryhard cunts and do stupid stuff like play competently, think things through and control properly.
Blasphemy! Who gave them permission to use proper decision making!
Coach January, you know how she loves to mindgame people.
On July 23 2013 14:44 Fusilero wrote: I get this awful feelings jangbi and leenock will be tryhard cunts and do stupid stuff like play competently, think things through and control properly.
Man MKP still so careless when the pressure is on. Don't worry guys, he has 2 Vikings they're great against Banshees and low numbers of.. oh god he lost one to a mine. It's okay he has his own mine now and he still has two medivacs.. make that one medivac. Time to charge in! Oh the mine died without burrowing. His medivac is his last hope, if he can just keep it alive and trade efficient... well that's game.
On July 23 2013 14:57 Canucklehead wrote: OMG nerf banshees back!! Watching banshees vs banshees isn't any better than hellbats vs hellbats!!
it was like this since 2010...no one ever complained about it
Not sure if serious? Cloaked banshees weren't 100/100 in 2010.
harassment that is so cheap has no drawbacks which is why even if well defended the attacker usually doesnt end up behind, same problem that hellbat drops had
On July 23 2013 11:27 stuchiu wrote: Dream has a better chance against an alliance of Rain, First, Life and Roro than he does against Fantasy.
I disagree Fantasy plays very harassment focused and so does Dream, and those kinds of games can easily turn to one side or the other, with the most important thing being the builds they chose.
Not that he necessarily has the advantage, although I think he does, but it's no where near certain and Fantasy isn't a God, hasn't been, has struggled regularly against ESF players, and most importantly plays a very very relatively flimsy style which matches up well for Dream in this case.
On July 23 2013 15:06 TheDougler wrote: I feel like that's what Blizzard always wanted HoTS mech to look like. (Except, against protoss I guess). Solid game though!
Yeah, same. Except maybe with Warhounds instead of Mauraders, but I mean... those things were apparently super duper broken.
On July 23 2013 15:06 TheDougler wrote: I feel like that's what Blizzard always wanted HoTS mech to look like. (Except, against protoss I guess). Solid game though!
Yeah, same. Except maybe with Warhounds instead of Mauraders, but I mean... those things were apparently super duper broken.
Your two step guide to early hots beta 1. Make warhounds 2. Oh sweet god for all that is holy never stop making those warhounds
On July 23 2013 15:06 TheDougler wrote: I feel like that's what Blizzard always wanted HoTS mech to look like. (Except, against protoss I guess). Solid game though!
Yeah, same. Except maybe with Warhounds instead of Mauraders, but I mean... those things were apparently super duper broken.
Your two step guide to early hots beta 1. Make warhounds 2. Oh sweet god for all that is holy never stop making those warhounds
On July 23 2013 15:11 IntoTheheart wrote: Wait so with all this talk about TvT, is this the matchup which is more dependent on a single early-game unit or predictable for the first chunk?
ZvZ looks like roach wars after the Spore buff.
TvT looks like Banshee after the Cloak buff + Hellbat nerf.
On July 23 2013 15:11 IntoTheheart wrote: Wait so with all this talk about TvT, is this the matchup which is more dependent on a single early-game unit or predictable for the first chunk?
ZvZ looks like roach wars after the Spore buff.
TvT looks like Banshee after the Cloak buff + Hellbat nerf.
On July 23 2013 15:11 IntoTheheart wrote: Wait so with all this talk about TvT, is this the matchup which is more dependent on a single early-game unit or predictable for the first chunk?
ZvZ looks like roach wars after the Spore buff.
TvT looks like Banshee after the Cloak buff + Hellbat nerf.
On July 23 2013 15:11 IntoTheheart wrote: Wait so with all this talk about TvT, is this the matchup which is more dependent on a single early-game unit or predictable for the first chunk?
ZvZ looks like roach wars after the Spore buff.
TvT looks like Banshee after the Cloak buff + Hellbat nerf.
ZvZ can go mutas still.
They can also go swarmhost according to goswser
I think I saw Stephano do it before I collapsed from boredom.
On July 23 2013 13:53 Rhaegal wrote: Guess he don't give a fuck because his team isn't in the finals, and there is still up and downs... but still.... wtf that game haha
On July 23 2013 15:26 Daswollvieh wrote: Not surprised. Dream is great, Fantasy notorious for sucking. Though Fantasy was probably training hard for proleague...
Yup, definitely training for Proleague a week after SKT lost in the playoffs.
On July 23 2013 15:26 Daswollvieh wrote: Not surprised. Dream is great, Fantasy notorious for sucking. Though Fantasy was probably training hard for proleague...
Yup, definitely training for Proleague a week after SKT lost in the playoffs.
On July 23 2013 15:28 Megiddosc wrote: I can't wait to see an all KeSPA power rank again after all the spanking they have received this month.
I will predict it
1. Innovation (because he is the greatest RTS playa eva) 2. Soulkey (only reason he lost is because he played the best) 3. Flash (He is god) 4. SoO (Won 2 games in proleague0 5. Bomber (did amazing in OSL but no games won in pro league) 6. Hyun (beat Jaedong's 156% Proleague ZvZ) 7. First (Lost two games to Rain who did bad in Proleague but still made ro8) 8. Fantasy (got sent out as ace in proleague so he must be rly good) 9. Coach Park (Only in rank 9 because he wanted others to get credit too) 10. Best (beat best playa eva in pro league)
Guaranteed legit
I'm sorry but mini has won mutliple MULTIPLE playoff games, same with dear and classic they clearly deserve power rank waaay more than bomber, hyun or first they haven't won any proleague matches.
the speedling all in problem on this map can easily be solved by making the hitbox smaller on those rocks, like 30 lings can attack it at once. they do 1 damage each since attacks can't do 0 damage, the 10 armor on the rocks doesn't matter that much. maybe buff the rock hp by a bit too It's only 1000 right now.
On July 23 2013 15:38 Dodgin wrote: I'm trying to figure out if all of these power rank bashing posts are sarcastic or not, hmm.
Dunno, power rank was easier in BW cause you could just do 1. Flash, 2. Jaedong, and pick 8 players on hot streaks for the rest.
To be fair, I'm only poking light at it. I don't know what I would have done for July's power rank. The majority of quality things were honestly pro league, as much as people took issue with it. I know it's meant to be a longer term thing which is my part issue, but as a second power rank it wasn't really going to be infallible.
On July 23 2013 15:38 Dodgin wrote: I'm trying to figure out if all of these power rank bashing posts are sarcastic or not, hmm.
Dunno, power rank was easier in BW cause you could just do 1. Flash, 2. Jaedong, and pick 8 players on hot streaks for the rest.
To be fair, I'm only poking light at it. I don't know what I would have done for July's power rank. The majority of quality things were honestly pro league, as much as people took issue with it. I know it's meant to be a longer term thing which is my part issue, but as a second power rank it wasn't really going to be infallible.
Just for the record I'm only poking fun, SC2 as is way harder to write a consistent ranking for due to its spread out nature so it's fair to default on the few reliable data sources like proleague
The justification for flash at 3rd gave me cancer though.
On July 23 2013 15:38 Dodgin wrote: I'm trying to figure out if all of these power rank bashing posts are sarcastic or not, hmm.
Dunno, power rank was easier in BW cause you could just do 1. Flash, 2. Jaedong, and pick 8 players on hot streaks for the rest.
To be fair, I'm only poking light at it. I don't know what I would have done for July's power rank. The majority of quality things were honestly pro league, as much as people took issue with it. I know it's meant to be a longer term thing which is my part issue, but as a second power rank it wasn't really going to be infallible.
hmm...
Innovation Soulkey Bomber First Rain Polt Hyun Symbol Jaedong Flash
same as a brood war ranking but backwards! see it's so easy!
Guys what's with all the kespa\power rank butthurts? Im not even sure if you cheer for some players and enjoy their success or just root against everything kespa related. Yeah dream played great but what's the point of calling fantasy a random scrub, all this "keeespaaaa" parody nonsense? It doesn't help anything really.
man I shouldn't have used dominant lol. Jangbanged again! :D His ffs are really good and quick. Trapping those roaches at his ramp and then right near it again cost leenock so many roaches.
On July 23 2013 16:00 lichter wrote: Now discuss the polling. Is it ok? Improvements? Suggestions?
I don't mind it, but that's because it's more fun to vote with.
People won't like it because people don't like change. You're probably like the 10th LR'er to try change from Yes/No/Maybe in the time I've been following. =P
On July 23 2013 16:00 lichter wrote: Now discuss the polling. Is it ok? Improvements? Suggestions?
The only potential issue with the "level of play" is what should we say about one player absolutely getting bopped. Would it be high level or low level? Also rainbow sheep > stars
JangBi and Shy have really interesting playing styles . Probably the only protoss i like watching . Rain is pretty good too , but plays a little bit too standart for my liking .
I'll quickly say that I'm deeply disappointed in the level of tryhard from leenock/jangbi/fantasy/dream, soo/gumiho/MKP/bbyong showed them how to do it. Still was a good night mainly the first half though
On July 23 2013 16:05 painkilla wrote: Are there any other players on the run for Nestea award? Potentially no more Nestea award being handed out for a while?
I think curious is very close to it but the liquipedia page on it hasn't been updated for a while. No wait I misread the page, curious/gumiho are on 8 and parting is on 7
On July 23 2013 16:04 Fusilero wrote: I'll quickly say that I'm deeply disappointed in the level of tryhard from leenock/jangbi/fantasy/dream, soo/gumiho/MKP/bbyong showed them how to do it. Still was a good night mainly the first half though
On July 23 2013 16:05 painkilla wrote: Are there any other players on the run for Nestea award? Potentially no more Nestea award being handed out for a while?
Leenock, MKP and DRG can all get it in the U&Ds
I think the nestea award should just be done away with. Leenock should have been the final true recipient of it this season if not for saying osl doesn't count since it should be just 10 in a row. It's not the same if mkp and drg get it after missing a season of code s.
On July 23 2013 16:02 raga4ka wrote: JangBi and Shy have really interesting playing styles . Probably the only protoss i like watching . Rain is pretty good too , but plays a little bit too standart for my liking .
On July 23 2013 16:02 raga4ka wrote: JangBi and Shy have really interesting playing styles . Probably the only protoss i like watching . Rain is pretty good too , but plays a little bit too standart for my liking .
You should watch Trap then. He has cool builds.
The Wacky Toss title has gone from Flying -> sOs -> Trap
About the polls: I actually liked Emzeeshady's suggestion, not having to make two freakin reccomendation polls for each game and only needing one extra answer option.
About the Nestea Award: As much as it pains me to not be able to eat up everything Mr. Chae says like delicious honey, I have to agree with Guy Earlier In The Thread that the impressiveness of the award is cheapened when there is one or more seasons of non-GSL in which players can take a "break", so to speak.
On July 23 2013 16:27 slowbacontron wrote: About the polls: I actually liked Emzeeshady's suggestion, not having to make two freakin reccomendation polls for each game and only needing one extra answer option.
About the Nestea Award: As much as it pains me to not be able to eat up everything Mr. Chae says like delicious honey, I have to agree with Guy Earlier In The Thread that the impressiveness of the award is cheapened when there is one or more seasons of non-GSL in which players can take a "break", so to speak.
True. MKP and DRG should not be able to get the award.
On July 23 2013 16:27 slowbacontron wrote: About the polls: I actually liked Emzeeshady's suggestion, not having to make two freakin reccomendation polls for each game and only needing one extra answer option.
There will be situations that are difficult to decipher.
For example, a game gets 30% Level of play, 30% Entertainment, 30% both, and 10% No. That looks like a solid game to me. But what is it really? A high level game that's slightly entertaining? A low level game that's really entertaining? Or somewhere in between, an ok game that's kinda fun? The question and its options are too different to accurately gauge how good the game was. If we gather all the games that have scored the best in each of the three positive categories, this game will be left out in all of them.
Rating the two categories allows us to determine entertainment and game quality separately, because sometimes they are different (for example, MKP vs Bbyong today). Of course ideally there should only be one poll, so I will continue to find a better way.
On July 23 2013 16:32 BigFan wrote: why are you planning to change the polling lichter? Having more polls can give more details but also be annoying to vote for every game.
Yes I need to find a balance between accuracy and informativeness vs simplicity and directness. I will think of a simpler way that incorporates both.
Yours truly, LR Thread Standardization Committee Chairperson
On July 23 2013 16:32 BigFan wrote: why are you planning to change the polling lichter? Having more polls can give more details but also be annoying to vote for every game.
Yes I need to find a balance between accuracy and informativeness vs simplicity and directness. I will think of a simpler way that incorporates both.
Yours truly, LR Thread Standardization Committee Chairperson
On July 23 2013 16:40 DarkLordOlli wrote: We as the LR should make ourselves independent. I can cover previews. We need someone to do eSF vs KeSPA baits so apply now people
We should make previews for tournaments that TL staff does not cover frequently, such as Code A, GSTL, and Proleague. I suppose we could do previews for AM/EU too if anyone is knowledgeable enough about those scenes and players.
On July 23 2013 16:40 DarkLordOlli wrote: We as the LR should make ourselves independent. I can cover previews. We need someone to do eSF vs KeSPA baits so apply now people
We should make previews for tournaments that TL staff does not cover frequently, such as Code A, GSTL, and Proleague. I suppose we could do previews for AM/EU too if anyone is knowledgeable enough about those scenes and players.
VIVA LA LR REVOLUTION. I DEMAND INDEPENDENCE FOR LRS. COME BROTHERS JOIN US IN THE GLORIOUS REBELLION AGAINST THE TYRANTS.
On July 23 2013 16:40 DarkLordOlli wrote: We as the LR should make ourselves independent. I can cover previews. We need someone to do eSF vs KeSPA baits so apply now people
We should make previews for tournaments that TL staff does not cover frequently, such as Code A, GSTL, and Proleague. I suppose we could do previews for AM/EU too if anyone is knowledgeable enough about those scenes and players.
VIVA LA LR REVOLUTION. I DEMAND INDEPENDENCE FOR LRS. COME BROTHERS JOIN US IN THE GLORIOUS REBELLION AGAINST THE TYRANTS.
TL would probably just buy us out with a fancy icon or something
On July 23 2013 16:40 DarkLordOlli wrote: We as the LR should make ourselves independent. I can cover previews. We need someone to do eSF vs KeSPA baits so apply now people
We should make previews for tournaments that TL staff does not cover frequently, such as Code A, GSTL, and Proleague. I suppose we could do previews for AM/EU too if anyone is knowledgeable enough about those scenes and players.
I could cover all of those except for Code A and GSTL since I don't have a GOM subscription. But I watch most PL games on youtube, WCS EU is on at a great time for me so I watch most of it and America isn't that hard to follow.
On July 23 2013 16:40 DarkLordOlli wrote: We as the LR should make ourselves independent. I can cover previews. We need someone to do eSF vs KeSPA baits so apply now people
We should make previews for tournaments that TL staff does not cover frequently, such as Code A, GSTL, and Proleague. I suppose we could do previews for AM/EU too if anyone is knowledgeable enough about those scenes and players.
VIVA LA LR REVOLUTION. I DEMAND INDEPENDENCE FOR LRS. COME BROTHERS JOIN US IN THE GLORIOUS REBELLION AGAINST THE TYRANTS.
TL would probably just buy us out with a fancy icon or something
On July 23 2013 16:35 lichter wrote: Yes I need to find a balance between accuracy and informativeness vs simplicity and directness. I will think of a simpler way that incorporates both.
Yours truly, LR Thread Standardization Committee Chairperson
roughly 200 people has tried that method. proven failure
On July 23 2013 16:40 DarkLordOlli wrote: We as the LR should make ourselves independent. I can cover previews. We need someone to do eSF vs KeSPA baits so apply now people
We should make previews for tournaments that TL staff does not cover frequently, such as Code A, GSTL, and Proleague. I suppose we could do previews for AM/EU too if anyone is knowledgeable enough about those scenes and players.
VIVA LA LR REVOLUTION. I DEMAND INDEPENDENCE FOR LRS. COME BROTHERS JOIN US IN THE GLORIOUS REBELLION AGAINST THE TYRANTS.
TL would probably just buy us out with a fancy icon or something
On July 23 2013 17:11 Talin wrote: Welp, every series went the exact opposite way of what I wished for.
Get it together SKT
Seriously. SKT seems to be in an individual league apocalypse as they started out with the most players in OSL, then they all just started dropping games this month.
5 ESF and 3 kespa in ro8, with a guaranteed at least two ESF in ro4, and maybe 3. If my memory is right, ESF 20-13 Kespa in code A this season, pretty crazy stats!
On July 24 2013 01:30 Gescom wrote: Jangbi in Code S? My body is ready.
Jangbi's already been in Code S :/ Except he had one of the biggest brain farts in the RO16 Code S and dropped. Fantasy and effort has to make it though or the WCS wont feel right.
On July 24 2013 01:30 Gescom wrote: Jangbi in Code S? My body is ready.
Jangbi's already been in Code S :/ Except he had one of the biggest brain farts in the RO16 Code S and dropped. Fantasy and effort has to make it though or the WCS wont feel right.
Given how crap Yoda vs. Effort was on both sides I don't know if Effort really deserves it
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