EPTRed Bull Training Grounds #2 - Orlando, FL - Page 46
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ragz_gt
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redbullESPORTS
United States22 Posts
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rasnj
United States1959 Posts
On July 28 2013 10:16 ragz_gt wrote: Actually at the same time with the graphic, Day 9 says "Snute Nestea, HuK TLO, could have a Liquid vs Liquid final". I'm so confused. Day9 was under the impression that the top 2 group results were: Group A 1. Snute 2. Huk Group B 1. TLO 2. Nestea But the standings on the official website shows group A top 2 in the opposite order. Day 9's statements about the bracket were consistent with this belief, whereas all graphic and official brackets are consistent with the official group A results. I would think Day9 was just misinformed, did some mental math incorrectly or didn't recall the format correctly. All have happened time and time again to casters at large tournaments, and are understandable as day9's attention was rightly on the matches. This is not a criticism of him. It is perfectly understandable that he may mix it up and if anyone is to blame it is the production who either produced incorrect graphic and published it on their site, or failed to tell day9 that he was telling the audience incorrect information. In the end it is not a big deal as long as the players have been given the correct information before beginning their practice and preparation. | ||
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rasnj
United States1959 Posts
On July 28 2013 10:17 redbullESPORTS wrote: Official standings after Training Grounds Day 2: Can you clarify whether Snute or Huk came out as first in their group? The official information contradicts statements made by Day[9] during the broadcast. | ||
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Raif
Denmark12 Posts
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Sakkreth
Lithuania1096 Posts
On July 28 2013 19:45 Raif wrote: It got to be Huk, as he is 7 -2 and snute is "only" 6-3. Shouldn't it be decided by head to head winner ? As in sports it's usually decided by head to head winner, point/goals differential is used only in-case of a tie head to head or if there is more than 2teams/players with the same amount of wins. Edit: Yes Snute won the group, because he won vs Huk 2:1 and going to play semis vs Nestea (2nd in group B). Just looked it up on liquipedia. Other semis is HuK vs TLO. | ||
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shur
Germany35 Posts
On July 29 2013 00:56 Sakkreth wrote: Shouldn't it be decided by head to head winner ? As in sports it's usually decided by head to head winner, point/goals differential is used only in-case of a tie head to head or if there is more than 2teams/players with the same amount of wins. Edit: Yes Snute won the group, because he won vs Huk 2:1 and going to play semis vs Nestea (2nd in group B). Just looked it up on liquipedia. Other semis is HuK vs TLO. But that would contradict with the group B result. If it would be h2h first, then group B would have a 3-way tie. But its overall score first. So TLO is first in group B and second place is decided by h2h. If Snute is first in group A, then they would use two different rules, or am i missing something? | ||
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rasnj
United States1959 Posts
On July 29 2013 01:05 shur wrote: But that would contradict with the group B result. If it would be h2h first, then group B would have a 3-way tie. But its overall score first. So TLO is first in group B and second place is decided by h2h. If Snute is first in group A, then they would use two different rules, or am i missing something? They do indeed seem to have inconsistent rules or at least apply them inconsistently. Yesterday when the group stage ended the official information was: + Show Spoiler [Old information] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/OKMyNw7.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Y8fenub.png) Which supports the idea that ranking is done in the following order: 1) Match score (number of series won) 2) W-L ratio 3) Head to head However Day9 stated that Snute won his group. Today they have updated their standings and brackets to: + Show Spoiler [New information] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6DKIWx3.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/5C12n8k.png) which suggests they have altered their brackets to reflect ranking based on 1) Match score 2) Head to Head 3) W-L ratio Or they have altered their brackets to reflect player expectations based on wrong information. It is still inconsistent as Illusion beat State head to head so Group A should transpose position 3 and 4. It seems that the original plan was to rank based on the old system (W-L over head to head). It is clear that players and teams expected the new bracket to be played today based on the following tweets: Team Liquid Pro @TeamLiquidPro 16h It appears the first @RedBullESPORTS tiebreaker is in fact head to head, which means that @LiquidTLO and @LiquidSnute will avoid each other! Chris Loranger @LorangerChris 1h Getting ready to play @LiquidTLO in @redbullESPORTS #TrainingGrounds Make sure to tune in at 2PM EST - we play 1st! pic.twitter.com/OZvdZkT5K9 Chris Loranger @LorangerChris 1h Should be an interesting series with fun games. #TrainingGrounds @LiquidTLO pic.twitter.com/tHwOdAErg1 So at this point the only reasonable thing to do is to follow through with the new bracket. | ||
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T.O.P
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dangthatsright
1160 Posts
On July 29 2013 01:05 shur wrote: But that would contradict with the group B result. If it would be h2h first, then group B would have a 3-way tie. But its overall score first. So TLO is first in group B and second place is decided by h2h. If Snute is first in group A, then they would use two different rules, or am i missing something? If head to head comes before map score, then group B has a 3-way tie in the head to head that is then (partially) resolved by the map score. I guess then they just cycle back and apply the tiebreak procedure from the beginning with the remaining 2-way tie. | ||
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misirlou
Portugal3241 Posts
On July 29 2013 01:38 dangthatsright wrote: If head to head comes before map score, then group B has a 3-way tie in the head to head that is then (partially) resolved by the map score. I guess then they just cycle back and apply the tiebreak procedure from the beginning with the remaining 2-way tie. Yes. Nothing wrong with the rules. 3 Way tie on games won/loss, apply second rule on H2H, gets a rock paper scissor like result, so still 3 way tie, apply 3rd rule, and tlo gets first place, with second place still undecided. Apply first rule, w/l, tie, apply second rule, nestea wins. Looks consistent to me. | ||
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shur
Germany35 Posts
Probably as rasnj said that they screwed up a tiny bit, but let it be, because the players already expect the current bracket situation. Nevertheless excited for the games to come, i don't mind their mistake too much  | ||
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misirlou
Portugal3241 Posts
On July 29 2013 01:53 shur wrote: Either way it remains inconsistent looking at State and Illusion. Probably as rasnj said that they screwed up a tiny bit, but let it be, because the players already expect the current bracket situation. Nevertheless excited for the games to come, i don't mind their mistake too much True but unless there is a prize difference it's a bit irrelevant and a minor error | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
its diashow lag on EVERY speed even my internet has superhighspeed ... i hate twitch ... i really really hate twitch so much  | ||
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