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On June 26 2013 16:47 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 16:43 Dodgin wrote:On June 26 2013 16:41 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:35 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 26 2013 16:26 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:25 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:24 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 26 2013 16:24 Megiddosc wrote:On June 26 2013 16:17 Scarecrow wrote:
So proleague teams are 9/9 so far? Coca - ZeNeX/SlayerS JYP - TSL Mamuri - TSL Actually teamless, EGTL and teamless Mamuri is a SKT trainee now Kespa wins alright? How are we still even debating about that, how are people even suprised. Many Many top ESF players don't even compete in Wcs KR (Ryung, MVP, Nestea, MC, MMA, Violet, Hero) because kespa is taking over. And who cares about that exactly? These guys aren't competing in WCS AM/EU because "omg Kespa!". Mvp made the semifinals and almost knocked out Innovation, HerO has been great in Proleague going head to head with the best of them, Ryung hasn't really played vs Kespa players much so hard to say. Nestea, MC, MMA, Violet are not at the same level they used to be. On June 26 2013 16:34 Apoteosis wrote:On June 26 2013 16:33 robson1 wrote:
I still believe that jjakji, san and sage will one day dominate everything. Sage was my favorite toss back in the day... but he disappeared from the scene. I wonder where he is now. He was recently summoned in a bloodlusty ritual Of course they left KR because "omg Kespa!" MVP made it to the semifinals by beating up on foreigners and esf players. Hero is around .5 in PL which is good and all, but in AM he can win Championships and go for the big money. I don't blame any of them for doing this you know. Look at code S. Look who advanced. It's mostly Kespa guys. 8-4 so far. I'm not saying that no ESF players will remain in the scene. Guys like Parting for example who are smart enough to switch to SKT will most likely stay. Players who are on Teams like Startale or IM which are run pretty similar to Kepsa teams will have a chance as well. Some people are just darn good and may get deep runs despite being on a inferior Team (Symbol) But overall Kespa teams and players are taking over. Except for Team 8 and CJ, they are pretty bad. Khan are basically riding on JangBi and RorO and the occasional win from Reality/TurN/Shine/etc. If you look at most Proleague teams they are pretty top heavy and thin. Not a lot of good middle tier players or players with potential (only hitmaN and Bunny are notable rookies)
The not notable rookies are not notable because they get pitted against players like Flash and Innovation in PL. You are literally watching them destroy Code B right now.
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Jaehoon 2-1 Action
the mob boss is dead
SongDuri 2-1 Sora, all CJ final
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On June 26 2013 16:44 robson1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 16:43 Dodgin wrote:On June 26 2013 16:41 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:35 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 26 2013 16:26 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:25 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:24 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 26 2013 16:24 Megiddosc wrote:On June 26 2013 16:17 Scarecrow wrote:
So proleague teams are 9/9 so far? Coca - ZeNeX/SlayerS JYP - TSL Mamuri - TSL Actually teamless, EGTL and teamless Mamuri is a SKT trainee now Kespa wins alright? How are we still even debating about that, how are people even suprised. Many Many top ESF players don't even compete in Wcs KR (Ryung, MVP, Nestea, MC, MMA, Violet, Hero) because kespa is taking over. And who cares about that exactly? These guys aren't competing in WCS AM/EU because "omg Kespa!". Mvp made the semifinals and almost knocked out Innovation, HerO has been great in Proleague going head to head with the best of them, Ryung hasn't really played vs Kespa players much so hard to say. Nestea, MC, MMA, Violet are not at the same level they used to be. On June 26 2013 16:34 Apoteosis wrote:On June 26 2013 16:33 robson1 wrote:
I still believe that jjakji, san and sage will one day dominate everything. Sage was my favorite toss back in the day... but he disappeared from the scene. I wonder where he is now. He was recently summoned in a bloodlusty ritual Of course they left KR because "omg Kespa!" MVP made it to the semifinals by beating up on foreigners and esf players. Hero is around .5 in PL which is good and all, but in AM he can win Championships and go for the big money. I don't blame any of them for doing this you know. Look at code S. Look who advanced. It's mostly Kespa guys. 8-4 so far. I'm not saying that no ESF players will remain in the scene. Guys like Parting for example who are smart enough to switch to SKT will most likely stay. Players who are on Teams like Startale or IM which are run pretty similar to Kepsa teams will have a chance as well. Some people are just darn good and may get deep runs despite being on a inferior Team (Symbol) But overall Kespa teams and players are taking over. Except for Team 8 and CJ, they are pretty bad. Yeah i would put them below Im and Startale right now. But I think Startale and IM would be the only teams capable of even competing in PL and I have strong doubts that startale would do better than Cj or Team 8
Why would IM and ST be the only teams capable of competing in PL when MVP and Axiom-Acer are both ahead of them in the GSTL?
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On June 26 2013 16:53 intmastad wrote:
wCS EU is better? Korean code b players can win wcs eu and am.... what are you talking about..
I miss good trolls :/
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On June 26 2013 16:53 intmastad wrote:
wCS EU is better? Korean code b players can win wcs eu and am.... what are you talking about..
I would say it's very few players who could actually do that.
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On June 26 2013 16:54 Arceus wrote:
Jaehoon 2-1 Action
the mob boss is dead
Dammit Action =(
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damn it all KT players lost 2-1. except stats ofc.
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On June 26 2013 16:53 robson1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 16:47 lichter wrote:On June 26 2013 16:43 Dodgin wrote:On June 26 2013 16:41 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:35 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 26 2013 16:26 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:25 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:24 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 26 2013 16:24 Megiddosc wrote:On June 26 2013 16:17 Scarecrow wrote:
So proleague teams are 9/9 so far? Coca - ZeNeX/SlayerS JYP - TSL Mamuri - TSL Actually teamless, EGTL and teamless Mamuri is a SKT trainee now Kespa wins alright? How are we still even debating about that, how are people even suprised. Many Many top ESF players don't even compete in Wcs KR (Ryung, MVP, Nestea, MC, MMA, Violet, Hero) because kespa is taking over. And who cares about that exactly? These guys aren't competing in WCS AM/EU because "omg Kespa!". Mvp made the semifinals and almost knocked out Innovation, HerO has been great in Proleague going head to head with the best of them, Ryung hasn't really played vs Kespa players much so hard to say. Nestea, MC, MMA, Violet are not at the same level they used to be. On June 26 2013 16:34 Apoteosis wrote:On June 26 2013 16:33 robson1 wrote:
I still believe that jjakji, san and sage will one day dominate everything. Sage was my favorite toss back in the day... but he disappeared from the scene. I wonder where he is now. He was recently summoned in a bloodlusty ritual Of course they left KR because "omg Kespa!" MVP made it to the semifinals by beating up on foreigners and esf players. Hero is around .5 in PL which is good and all, but in AM he can win Championships and go for the big money. I don't blame any of them for doing this you know. Look at code S. Look who advanced. It's mostly Kespa guys. 8-4 so far. I'm not saying that no ESF players will remain in the scene. Guys like Parting for example who are smart enough to switch to SKT will most likely stay. Players who are on Teams like Startale or IM which are run pretty similar to Kepsa teams will have a chance as well. Some people are just darn good and may get deep runs despite being on a inferior Team (Symbol) But overall Kespa teams and players are taking over. Except for Team 8 and CJ, they are pretty bad. Khan are basically riding on JangBi and RorO and the occasional win from Reality/TurN/Shine/etc. If you look at most Proleague teams they are pretty top heavy and thin. Not a lot of good middle tier players or players with potential (only hitmaN and Bunny are notable rookies) The not notable rookies are not notable because they get pitted against players like Flash and Innovation in PL. You are literally watching them destroy Code B right now.
Destroying A teamers, yeah. x(
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On June 26 2013 16:54 iLoveKT wrote:
damn it all KT players lost 2-1. except stats ofc.
the KT record in qualifiers is slowly improving
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On June 26 2013 16:53 intmastad wrote:
wCS EU is better? Korean code b players can win wcs eu and am.... what are you talking about..
I think that is an unfair comparison even tough i agree with the general statement.
While Mvp is indeed in code B we seen in the finals of the WCS that he can still hang with the best.
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On June 26 2013 16:54 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 16:44 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:43 Dodgin wrote:On June 26 2013 16:41 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:35 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 26 2013 16:26 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:25 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:24 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 26 2013 16:24 Megiddosc wrote:On June 26 2013 16:17 Scarecrow wrote:
So proleague teams are 9/9 so far? Coca - ZeNeX/SlayerS JYP - TSL Mamuri - TSL Actually teamless, EGTL and teamless Mamuri is a SKT trainee now Kespa wins alright? How are we still even debating about that, how are people even suprised. Many Many top ESF players don't even compete in Wcs KR (Ryung, MVP, Nestea, MC, MMA, Violet, Hero) because kespa is taking over. And who cares about that exactly? These guys aren't competing in WCS AM/EU because "omg Kespa!". Mvp made the semifinals and almost knocked out Innovation, HerO has been great in Proleague going head to head with the best of them, Ryung hasn't really played vs Kespa players much so hard to say. Nestea, MC, MMA, Violet are not at the same level they used to be. On June 26 2013 16:34 Apoteosis wrote:On June 26 2013 16:33 robson1 wrote:
I still believe that jjakji, san and sage will one day dominate everything. Sage was my favorite toss back in the day... but he disappeared from the scene. I wonder where he is now. He was recently summoned in a bloodlusty ritual Of course they left KR because "omg Kespa!" MVP made it to the semifinals by beating up on foreigners and esf players. Hero is around .5 in PL which is good and all, but in AM he can win Championships and go for the big money. I don't blame any of them for doing this you know. Look at code S. Look who advanced. It's mostly Kespa guys. 8-4 so far. I'm not saying that no ESF players will remain in the scene. Guys like Parting for example who are smart enough to switch to SKT will most likely stay. Players who are on Teams like Startale or IM which are run pretty similar to Kepsa teams will have a chance as well. Some people are just darn good and may get deep runs despite being on a inferior Team (Symbol) But overall Kespa teams and players are taking over. Except for Team 8 and CJ, they are pretty bad. Yeah i would put them below Im and Startale right now. But I think Startale and IM would be the only teams capable of even competing in PL and I have strong doubts that startale would do better than Cj or Team 8 Why would IM and ST be the only teams capable of competing in PL when MVP and Axiom-Acer are both ahead of them in the GSTL?
Corporate Sponsors apparently!
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anyone know which Zero is in group c? startale or woongjin?
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On June 26 2013 16:53 intmastad wrote:
wCS EU is better? Korean code b players can win wcs eu and am.... what are you talking about..
WCS EU premier has good enough players that could make it through Code B qualifiers and good enough players to take bo3/bo5 from high calibre players from Korea. The chance is not super high, but the possiblitiy is there.
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I have instamad tagged as " idiot ", not sure why you guys are replying to him. like 20 of his posts are calling mvp a code b level player.
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On June 26 2013 16:54 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 16:44 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:43 Dodgin wrote:On June 26 2013 16:41 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:35 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 26 2013 16:26 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:25 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:24 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 26 2013 16:24 Megiddosc wrote:On June 26 2013 16:17 Scarecrow wrote:
So proleague teams are 9/9 so far? Coca - ZeNeX/SlayerS JYP - TSL Mamuri - TSL Actually teamless, EGTL and teamless Mamuri is a SKT trainee now Kespa wins alright? How are we still even debating about that, how are people even suprised. Many Many top ESF players don't even compete in Wcs KR (Ryung, MVP, Nestea, MC, MMA, Violet, Hero) because kespa is taking over. And who cares about that exactly? These guys aren't competing in WCS AM/EU because "omg Kespa!". Mvp made the semifinals and almost knocked out Innovation, HerO has been great in Proleague going head to head with the best of them, Ryung hasn't really played vs Kespa players much so hard to say. Nestea, MC, MMA, Violet are not at the same level they used to be. On June 26 2013 16:34 Apoteosis wrote:On June 26 2013 16:33 robson1 wrote:
I still believe that jjakji, san and sage will one day dominate everything. Sage was my favorite toss back in the day... but he disappeared from the scene. I wonder where he is now. He was recently summoned in a bloodlusty ritual Of course they left KR because "omg Kespa!" MVP made it to the semifinals by beating up on foreigners and esf players. Hero is around .5 in PL which is good and all, but in AM he can win Championships and go for the big money. I don't blame any of them for doing this you know. Look at code S. Look who advanced. It's mostly Kespa guys. 8-4 so far. I'm not saying that no ESF players will remain in the scene. Guys like Parting for example who are smart enough to switch to SKT will most likely stay. Players who are on Teams like Startale or IM which are run pretty similar to Kepsa teams will have a chance as well. Some people are just darn good and may get deep runs despite being on a inferior Team (Symbol) But overall Kespa teams and players are taking over. Except for Team 8 and CJ, they are pretty bad. Yeah i would put them below Im and Startale right now. But I think Startale and IM would be the only teams capable of even competing in PL and I have strong doubts that startale would do better than Cj or Team 8 Why would IM and ST be the only teams capable of competing in PL when MVP and Axiom-Acer are both ahead of them in the GSTL?
Because there is a major difference in what rating you are getting in a format that only 2/6 of proleague regular season even uses. ST and IM both have deep enough roosters to actually prepare well, especially axiom-acer would probably do decently in a round or two, and then get 4-0d every round given how easy it is to figure out their few players and counter them.
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Mvp never met kespa players in season finals.... he is so lucky....
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On June 26 2013 16:54 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 16:44 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:43 Dodgin wrote:On June 26 2013 16:41 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:35 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 26 2013 16:26 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:25 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:24 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 26 2013 16:24 Megiddosc wrote:On June 26 2013 16:17 Scarecrow wrote:
So proleague teams are 9/9 so far? Coca - ZeNeX/SlayerS JYP - TSL Mamuri - TSL Actually teamless, EGTL and teamless Mamuri is a SKT trainee now Kespa wins alright? How are we still even debating about that, how are people even suprised. Many Many top ESF players don't even compete in Wcs KR (Ryung, MVP, Nestea, MC, MMA, Violet, Hero) because kespa is taking over. And who cares about that exactly? These guys aren't competing in WCS AM/EU because "omg Kespa!". Mvp made the semifinals and almost knocked out Innovation, HerO has been great in Proleague going head to head with the best of them, Ryung hasn't really played vs Kespa players much so hard to say. Nestea, MC, MMA, Violet are not at the same level they used to be. On June 26 2013 16:34 Apoteosis wrote:On June 26 2013 16:33 robson1 wrote:
I still believe that jjakji, san and sage will one day dominate everything. Sage was my favorite toss back in the day... but he disappeared from the scene. I wonder where he is now. He was recently summoned in a bloodlusty ritual Of course they left KR because "omg Kespa!" MVP made it to the semifinals by beating up on foreigners and esf players. Hero is around .5 in PL which is good and all, but in AM he can win Championships and go for the big money. I don't blame any of them for doing this you know. Look at code S. Look who advanced. It's mostly Kespa guys. 8-4 so far. I'm not saying that no ESF players will remain in the scene. Guys like Parting for example who are smart enough to switch to SKT will most likely stay. Players who are on Teams like Startale or IM which are run pretty similar to Kepsa teams will have a chance as well. Some people are just darn good and may get deep runs despite being on a inferior Team (Symbol) But overall Kespa teams and players are taking over. Except for Team 8 and CJ, they are pretty bad. Yeah i would put them below Im and Startale right now. But I think Startale and IM would be the only teams capable of even competing in PL and I have strong doubts that startale would do better than Cj or Team 8 Why would IM and ST be the only teams capable of competing in PL when MVP and Axiom-Acer are both ahead of them in the GSTL?
if only GSTL is one-fifth that prestigious
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On June 26 2013 16:56 Dodgin wrote:
I have instamad tagged as " idiot ", not sure why you guys are replying to him. like 20 of his posts are calling mvp a code b level player.
sorry just woke up haha
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On June 26 2013 16:56 Dodgin wrote:
I have instamad tagged as " idiot ", not sure why you guys are replying to him. like 20 of his posts are calling mvp a code b level player.
Oh god; it's him, knew i recognized that name somewhere.
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On June 26 2013 16:49 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2013 16:41 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:35 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 26 2013 16:26 robson1 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:25 Shellshock1122 wrote:On June 26 2013 16:24 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 26 2013 16:24 Megiddosc wrote:On June 26 2013 16:17 Scarecrow wrote:
So proleague teams are 9/9 so far? Coca - ZeNeX/SlayerS JYP - TSL Mamuri - TSL Actually teamless, EGTL and teamless Mamuri is a SKT trainee now Kespa wins alright? How are we still even debating about that, how are people even suprised. Many Many top ESF players don't even compete in Wcs KR (Ryung, MVP, Nestea, MC, MMA, Violet, Hero) because kespa is taking over. And who cares about that exactly? These guys aren't competing in WCS AM/EU because "omg Kespa!". Mvp made the semifinals and almost knocked out Innovation, HerO has been great in Proleague going head to head with the best of them, Ryung hasn't really played vs Kespa players much so hard to say. Nestea, MC, MMA, Violet are not at the same level they used to be. On June 26 2013 16:34 Apoteosis wrote:On June 26 2013 16:33 robson1 wrote:
I still believe that jjakji, san and sage will one day dominate everything. Sage was my favorite toss back in the day... but he disappeared from the scene. I wonder where he is now. He was recently summoned in a bloodlusty ritual Of course they left KR because "omg Kespa!" MVP made it to the semifinals by beating up on foreigners and esf players. Hero is around .5 in PL which is good and all, but in AM he can win Championships and go for the big money. I don't blame any of them for doing this you know. Look at code S. Look who advanced. It's mostly Kespa guys. 8-4 so far. I'm not saying that no ESF players will remain in the scene. Guys like Parting for example who are smart enough to switch to SKT will most likely stay. Players who are on Teams like Startale or IM which are run pretty similar to Kepsa teams will have a chance as well. Some people are just darn good and may get deep runs despite being on a inferior Team (Symbol) But overall Kespa teams and players are taking over. Yea yea we know. KeSPA! Elephants! SC2 was a farce! eSF scum! Proleague! GSL n00bs! Did i forgot anything? On a ,more serious note, this is equivalent to saying BW would die the last year. We all know its coming but there is no nreed to hammer it like that. Let people support the players they want without the constant DOOM messaging inc.
How did i say anything like that. SC2 was not a farce. eSF ist no scum and GSL is the hardest league in the world. In fact i cheer almost exclusively for eSF players. My favorites being Ryung and Jjakji as well as Sage and San. That does not stop me from aknowleding that Innovation would easily destroy jjakji Sage and San with one hand tied to his back and probably beat ryung as well. It also does not stop me from realizing that most of the eSF player wouldn't get to play much in PL. Because the kespa training regiment is just something else.
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