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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
June 07 2013 09:10 GMT
#5001
On June 07 2013 18:08 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 18:07 DustbinBieber wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:07 packrat386 wrote:
God everybody just cheesing the shit out of innovation.


Could you guys stop forgetting that 3 CC double EB is as cheesy as bane/roach all-ins?


That's not what cheese means.

Doesn't change the fact that it's blind greed and praying your opponent doesn't attack.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
June 07 2013 09:10 GMT
#5002
On June 07 2013 18:09 DustbinBieber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 18:08 Heartland wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:07 DustbinBieber wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:07 packrat386 wrote:
God everybody just cheesing the shit out of innovation.


Could you guys stop forgetting that 3 CC double EB is as cheesy as bane/roach all-ins?


That's not what cheese means.


Greed-cheese if you will.


I totally agree with you, if you try to get away with such a greedy build you're just asking to get busted. Once Bogus stops doing the same greedy macro build every game people will stop busting him.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24593 Posts
June 07 2013 09:10 GMT
#5003
On June 07 2013 18:09 DustbinBieber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 18:08 Heartland wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:07 DustbinBieber wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:07 packrat386 wrote:
God everybody just cheesing the shit out of innovation.


Could you guys stop forgetting that 3 CC double EB is as cheesy as bane/roach all-ins?


That's not what cheese means.


Greed-cheese if you will.


No, greed is something else than cheese.
ppshchik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States862 Posts
June 07 2013 09:10 GMT
#5004
I would laugh if Innovation got knocked out of this group by 4 roach bane allins from Roro and Dimaga.
Legends never die... they end up working in McDonalds.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-07 09:11:25
June 07 2013 09:10 GMT
#5005
On June 07 2013 18:08 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 18:07 DustbinBieber wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:07 packrat386 wrote:
God everybody just cheesing the shit out of innovation.


Could you guys stop forgetting that 3 CC double EB is as cheesy as bane/roach all-ins?


That's not what cheese means.

A cheese relies on secrecy, if a zerg knows it's triple cc double ebay they'd do this bust every time and probably win. Call it eco-cheese. A build that can't survive if scouted.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
NightOfTheDead
Profile Joined August 2009
Lithuania1711 Posts
June 07 2013 09:10 GMT
#5006
On June 07 2013 18:08 ZenithM wrote:
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On June 07 2013 18:07 ZenithM wrote:
Everybody doing the same build to Innovation haha :D

It's very effective. FUCK!


Same effectiveness 3CC double ebay brings kinda. You don't allow it.
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
June 07 2013 09:10 GMT
#5007
On June 07 2013 18:07 DustbinBieber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 18:07 packrat386 wrote:
God everybody just cheesing the shit out of innovation.


Could you guys stop forgetting that 3 CC double EB is as cheesy as bane/roach all-ins?


Hey man, I don't really care. I love all-ins so I'm glad to see that people are using them a lot. Also calling macro builds cheese is sort of strange. I mean the build should be safe imo, but Terran hasn't really figured out how best to hold these attacks. Not to mention the lack of scouting really hurts innovation here.
dreaming of a sunny day
Swiv
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany3674 Posts
June 07 2013 09:11 GMT
#5008
Y U no build one tank?
[_] Terran [_] Zerg [_] Protoss [X] Random ------- Fantasy - hyvaa - sOs
Scribble
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2077 Posts
June 07 2013 09:11 GMT
#5009
On June 07 2013 18:09 stuchiu wrote:
I like how every Zerg that plays Innovation is basically telling him, If you go 3 cc, double engi bay and no units, I'll roach bane bust you, I swear to God.


"You wouldn't do that to your old pal Bogus, would you?"
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
June 07 2013 09:11 GMT
#5010
On June 07 2013 18:06 Gaizokubanou wrote:
I'm enjoying all these games but man production has been pretty freaking fail so far. First with that whole OSL2 disaster, then both OSL channels using old UI, now getting ads in middle of the game for both OSL streams. Urgh it's just a mess.


As far as I know, only GSL uses a different UI. Some people prefer that one; some people prefer this one. It's not a "production fail".
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Chr15t
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark1103 Posts
June 07 2013 09:11 GMT
#5011
Tho, 2-3 base roach bane isnt cheese either tbh , its getting so common its almost standard
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
June 07 2013 09:11 GMT
#5012
On June 07 2013 18:11 Swiv wrote:
Y U no build one tank?


Whoop there it is!
negativedge
Profile Joined December 2011
4279 Posts
June 07 2013 09:11 GMT
#5013
On June 07 2013 18:10 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 18:09 DustbinBieber wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:08 Heartland wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:07 DustbinBieber wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:07 packrat386 wrote:
God everybody just cheesing the shit out of innovation.


Could you guys stop forgetting that 3 CC double EB is as cheesy as bane/roach all-ins?


That's not what cheese means.


Greed-cheese if you will.


No, greed is something else than cheese.


doesn't fucking matter at all what you want to call it. the point is if you keep doing the same greedy build every game, people are going to bust you. it's like idra going hatch first in ZvP a hundred times in a row and calling the other players bad when they inevitably cannon him to death.
Dwayn
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany949 Posts
June 07 2013 09:11 GMT
#5014
love it when greedy terrans get punished. It's actually quite amazing that he can survive with such a build.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-07 09:12:12
June 07 2013 09:11 GMT
#5015
On June 07 2013 18:08 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 18:07 DustbinBieber wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:07 packrat386 wrote:
God everybody just cheesing the shit out of innovation.


Could you guys stop forgetting that 3 CC double EB is as cheesy as bane/roach all-ins?


That's not what cheese means.


It's swiss cheese, cos it's got a lot of holes in it.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
June 07 2013 09:12 GMT
#5016
Lol, I actually think Innovation can come back. That's how much faith I have in him.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
June 07 2013 09:12 GMT
#5017
On June 07 2013 18:11 Asha` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 18:08 Heartland wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:07 DustbinBieber wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:07 packrat386 wrote:
God everybody just cheesing the shit out of innovation.


Could you guys stop forgetting that 3 CC double EB is as cheesy as bane/roach all-ins?


That's not what cheese means.


It's swiss cheese, cos it's got holes in it.


It's gouda for you!
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
June 07 2013 09:12 GMT
#5018
On June 07 2013 18:12 ZenithM wrote:
Lol, I actually think Innovation can come back. That's how much faith I have in him.


I mean, he certainly can. but its gonne be a miracle
dreaming of a sunny day
Chr15t
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark1103 Posts
June 07 2013 09:12 GMT
#5019
On June 07 2013 18:11 negativedge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 18:10 Heartland wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:09 DustbinBieber wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:08 Heartland wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:07 DustbinBieber wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:07 packrat386 wrote:
God everybody just cheesing the shit out of innovation.


Could you guys stop forgetting that 3 CC double EB is as cheesy as bane/roach all-ins?


That's not what cheese means.


Greed-cheese if you will.


No, greed is something else than cheese.


doesn't fucking matter at all what you want to call it. the point is if you keep doing the same greedy build every game, people are going to bust you. it's like idra going hatch first in ZvP a hundred times in a row and calling the other players bad when they inevitably cannon him to death.


correct, innovation is the android-terran ;D
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
June 07 2013 09:12 GMT
#5020
On June 07 2013 18:10 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 18:09 DustbinBieber wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:08 Heartland wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:07 DustbinBieber wrote:
On June 07 2013 18:07 packrat386 wrote:
God everybody just cheesing the shit out of innovation.


Could you guys stop forgetting that 3 CC double EB is as cheesy as bane/roach all-ins?


That's not what cheese means.


Greed-cheese if you will.


I totally agree with you, if you try to get away with such a greedy build you're just asking to get busted. Once Bogus stops doing the same greedy macro build every game people will stop busting him.


the problem is the balance between greed and safety. You need to as greedy as possible against an equally skilled Zerg.
And Innovation is able to defend the Roach-Bane all-ins if he scouts it in time, so he probably does this build and relies on reacting to his opponents play
Just ahead of time, know your addiction's not a crime. It's just a smaller part of who you want to become in the end.
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