On June 04 2013 11:09 therabit wrote: hope SKT can pull through. If they win this it almost guarantee playoff spot.
23 wins is the magic number right now to cement their playoff spot.
yeah but if SKT win they'd be 3 wins ahead of Khan with much better map score so it's unlikely for khan to catch up.
Yup, it will take a Khan miracle and SKT collapse (or STX collapse) for Khan to make it. The playoff teams are more or less set, seeds are the only thing people are fighting for now. Woongjin needs 2 wins and +5 mapscore to lock down 1st place, while KT needs 5 wins and +19 to secure 2nd (but these numbers will change depending on how SKT perform today).
We should make a bet. Last place guy has to premake OPs for a whole tournament lololol
That's nothing considering I just did that for the Gambit's Cup team league in the brood war section for the past 5 months. People need to start earning their LR badges.
On June 04 2013 15:53 Dodgin wrote: Do we really have no one better to play that this guy? Hurry up and buy some good eSF talent Boxer jesus christ this is saddening.
I guess Boxer sees some potential in Brown, as he was also a part of SlayerS.
On June 04 2013 15:51 GTPGlitch wrote: Waiting for SKT to do an alphabetical toss lineup for one match just to fuck with people's mind
Best-Bisu-Brown-Paralyze-Parting-Rain GO!~
Lol, I'm sure they would've done that already if it weren't for the rule that requires all three races to be played. SKT has been really favoring variations of 4P1T1Z .
On June 04 2013 15:53 Dodgin wrote: Do we really have no one better to play that this guy? Hurry up and buy some good eSF talent Boxer jesus christ this is saddening.
I guess Boxer sees some potential in Brown, as he was also a part of SlayerS.
You'd think Boxer of all coaches would have a team that understands cheese
On June 04 2013 15:51 GTPGlitch wrote: Waiting for SKT to do an alphabetical toss lineup for one match just to fuck with people's mind
Best-Bisu-Brown-Paralyze-Parting-Rain GO!~
Lol, I'm sure they would've done that already if it weren't for the rule that requires all three races to be played. SKT has been really favoring variations of 4P1T1Z .
On June 04 2013 15:54 Taosu wrote: Boxer looked at him like he wanted to say "You won't be sent out anytime soon".
I think that's the right move tbh. Hadn't he noticed the proxy, panicking like that might have been acceptable, but after spotting it so early and having one more gate up? Did he even build zealots from his second gate (except the one he sent to his opponent's base)?
On June 04 2013 15:54 Taosu wrote: Boxer looked at him like he wanted to say "You won't be sent out anytime soon".
I think that's the right move tbh. Hadn't he noticed the proxy, panicking like that might have been acceptable, but after spotting it so early and having one more gate up? Did he even build zealots from his second gate (except the one he sent to his opponent's base)?
That was quite a shameful display.
I'm really surprised that he didn't just pull like 4-5 probes and kill the pylon
Like... that's literally all he needed to do, he still would've been ahead in probes by like 4...
It's a shame, Brown showed such a good PvZ against Losira back in the glory days...
On June 04 2013 15:51 GTPGlitch wrote: Waiting for SKT to do an alphabetical toss lineup for one match just to fuck with people's mind
Best-Bisu-Brown-Paralyze-Parting-Rain GO!~
Lol, I'm sure they would've done that already if it weren't for the rule that requires all three races to be played. SKT has been really favoring variations of 4P1T1Z .
On June 04 2013 15:54 Taosu wrote: Boxer looked at him like he wanted to say "You won't be sent out anytime soon".
I think that's the right move tbh. Hadn't he noticed the proxy, panicking like that might have been acceptable, but after spotting it so early and having one more gate up? Did he even build zealots from his second gate (except the one he sent to his opponent's base)?
That was quite a shameful display.
I'm really surprised that he didn't just pull like 4-5 probes and kill the pylon
Like... that's literally all he needed to do, he still would've been ahead in probes by like 4...
It's a shame, Brown showed such a good PvZ against Losira back in the glory days...
That's not the proper way to defend it, there really isn't a reason Brown would have lost with his response. All he had to do was delay engaging til he had an extra zealot or two, but he thought it would be more appropriate to fight against a wall/building while probes take hits and zealots not hitting anything.... goddamn, that was bad.
On June 04 2013 15:58 Sein wrote: Show nested quote +
Lol, I'm sure they would've done that already if it weren't for the rule that requires all three races to be played. SKT has been really favoring variations of 4P1T1Z .
Wow, this rule does actually exist?
It's no coinsidence both teams tonight have 4 toss, 1 zerg/terran in the lineup
Before PL started when I looked at the lineup, I called (to myself) that Hyvaa was going to speedling allin, it's just too like him. HoweverI didn't think Bisu would have won. Baller that he did though
On June 04 2013 16:16 Garnet wrote: hyvaa, the only Zerg on STX, can't even play macro.
I'm pretty sure he can, he's played reasonably before, but he's also quite a good FPL anti-team choice. Worked well twice for me and seems to be working for people this season.
On June 04 2013 16:17 Heartland wrote: No ceremony for 200 wins?
They censored it as it was too epic for our mortal eyes.
On June 04 2013 16:18 Waxangel wrote: did hyvaa fuck up the ling-runby all-in?
He waited for speed to finish. By then BISU saw no third and cannoned and walled the hell up. If he went for runby earlier he probably would have won. There was no unit at the wall gap while sentry was being made
They have been getting decent crowds at the main venue the last few weeks, but going to sit in a mall isn't that exciting when you can just watch from home.
On June 04 2013 16:30 Doublemint wrote: It's a TvT and no more bisu - no idea why anybody is surprised here...
*duckandrun*
but its the man who's basically driving the innovation hype vs one of the best bw terrans of all time..... and there's 2 people in the crowd.... goes to show how much sc has actually fallen in korea.
I mean, I'm so fucking unlucky with my FPL teams... players who are normally winning and should win their matches yesterday/today failed me so hard and lost everything, wth :/
FanTaSy and IdrA could play 175 thousand million trillion googolplex times and FanTaSy would win every time, even if due to GG timings and nothing else.
On June 04 2013 16:53 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: FanTaSy and IdrA could play 175 thousand million trillion googolplex times and FanTaSy would win ever time, even if due to GG timings and nothing else.
On June 04 2013 16:50 BigFan wrote: wow Fantasy just got a big opening
And it's gone...
I honestly thought that he could've done a lot more damage than a single base. He should've tried dropping on those 2-3 tanks and taken out his exp and production.
On June 04 2013 16:51 jekku wrote: I used to think Bisu was the biggest weakness on T1 but now i fear my fav player fanta might have taken that role.
you serious? you think fantasy is biggest weakness on the team because he lost to arguably the best terran in the world at this moment? fantasy still has 3rd or 4th most wins in proleague for terran and he's one of 4 skt players to qualify for the coming osl. don't know if trying to troll or just plain blind.
On June 04 2013 16:53 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: FanTaSy and IdrA could play 175 thousand million trillion googolplex times and FanTaSy would win ever time, even if due to GG timings and nothing else.
On June 04 2013 16:51 jekku wrote: I used to think Bisu was the biggest weakness on T1 but now i fear my fav player fanta might have taken that role.
you serious? you think fantasy is biggest weakness on the team because he lost to arguably the best terran in the world at this moment? fantasy still has 3rd or 4th most wins in proleague for terran and he's one of 4 skt players to qualify for the coming osl. don't know if trying to troll or just plain blind.
As I wrote before it's not based on one game it's based on his current form in late WoL and late HotS. Also I dont see the improvement. He isn't playing up to a player of his standards should. You see alot of mistakes in his play he would never make before.
i don't think fantasy is bad, he punches pretty hard and has a positive record in PL. maybe not up to his BW standards but still a solid player, tier 2 terran.
On June 04 2013 16:58 opterown wrote: i don't think fantasy is bad, he punches pretty hard and has a positive record in PL. maybe not up to his BW standards but still a solid player, tier 2 terran.
bogus/flash >> fantasy/baby >>> the rest
I agree but I'd say baby is a lot better than fantasy currently
On June 04 2013 16:58 opterown wrote: i don't think fantasy is bad, he punches pretty hard and has a positive record in PL. maybe not up to his BW standards but still a solid player, tier 2 terran.
bogus/flash >> fantasy/baby >>> the rest
I agree but I'd say baby is a lot better than fantasy currently
On June 04 2013 16:58 opterown wrote: i don't think fantasy is bad, he punches pretty hard and has a positive record in PL. maybe not up to his BW standards but still a solid player, tier 2 terran.
bogus/flash >> fantasy/baby >>> the rest
I agree but I'd say baby is a lot better than fantasy currently
BaBy is definitely better than Fantasy
Fantasy has such crummy macro. Always floating so much money.
On June 04 2013 16:59 Kommander wrote: Innovation doesn't look like he just suffered a crushing comeback loss, still strong as ever.
lol with kespa practice schedules, I doubt these players have time to get hung up on losses.. He's probably just practicing like mad for the season final now
On June 04 2013 16:59 Topdoller wrote: Fantasy made one mistake, he didn't build Hellbats. Those Banshees didnt really do much for him early game. Hellbat drops are way more effective
Not really. Not building HB is not even one of his many mistakes in that game.
On June 04 2013 16:51 jekku wrote: I used to think Bisu was the biggest weakness on T1 but now i fear my fav player fanta might have taken that role.
you serious? you think fantasy is biggest weakness on the team because he lost to arguably the best terran in the world at this moment? fantasy still has 3rd or 4th most wins in proleague for terran and he's one of 4 skt players to qualify for the coming osl. don't know if trying to troll or just plain blind.
As I wrote before it's not based on one game it's based on his current form in late WoL and late HotS. Also I dont see the improvement. He isn't playing up to a player of his standards should. You see alot of mistakes in his play he would never make before.
i realize he's under performing but that's only if you compare his results to bw. He was obviously good enough to qualify for code S two seasons in a row and be sent out as an ace in a few proleague matches so in the grand scheme of things, he's really not that bad. Its ONLY because people are comparing him to how good he used to be in bw.
And honestly, he didn't play perfectly in his match vs JYP, but rather than saying fantasy played like shit, how about complimenting JYP for playing really well? Seriously.... some of Fantasy's games are plain bad, but for the most part, when he loses, its because the other player deserved to win. Your quote of "I used to think Bisu was the biggest weakness on T1 but now i fear my fav player fanta might have taken that role" makes me doubt Fantasy was ever your favorite player to begin with.
On June 04 2013 16:58 opterown wrote: i don't think fantasy is bad, he punches pretty hard and has a positive record in PL. maybe not up to his BW standards but still a solid player, tier 2 terran.
On June 04 2013 17:00 ZenithM wrote: Rain's record is fucking absurd...
70% winrate... and also consider that he plays in a bunch of ace matches against the opponent ace players. It is indeed absurd.
And he's playing Protoss by mostly playing what is considered safe and standard non-gimmicky stuff (aka, weak shit :D). That's an achievement in itself.
man these two guys are kinda awkward to listen to, but i need to listen to english cast since i need to be able to tell when to alt-tab to the stream to watch ;;
On June 04 2013 17:04 opterown wrote: man these two guys are kinda awkward to listen to, but i need to listen to english cast since i need to be able to tell when to alt-tab to the stream to watch ;;
I think SNM drags the blanket to his side WAY too often.
On June 04 2013 17:03 kwantumszuperpozishn wrote: Has rain won any significant tournament yet?
He got first place in OSL, WCS Asia, runner up in WCS World championships, and semifinals of GSL along with his ridiculously high win rate in proleague.
On June 04 2013 17:03 kwantumszuperpozishn wrote: Has rain won any significant tournament yet?
He got first place in OSL, WCS Asia, runner up in WCS World championships, and semifinals of GSL along with his ridiculously high win rate in proleague.
On June 04 2013 17:03 kwantumszuperpozishn wrote: Has rain won any significant tournament yet?
He got first place in OSL, WCS Asia, runner up in WCS World championships, and semifinals of GSL along with his ridiculously high win rate in proleague.
On June 04 2013 17:04 opterown wrote: man these two guys are kinda awkward to listen to, but i need to listen to english cast since i need to be able to tell when to alt-tab to the stream to watch ;;
I think SNM drags the blanket to his side WAY too often.
On June 04 2013 17:04 opterown wrote: man these two guys are kinda awkward to listen to, but i need to listen to english cast since i need to be able to tell when to alt-tab to the stream to watch ;;
On June 04 2013 17:03 kwantumszuperpozishn wrote: Has rain won any significant tournament yet?
He got first place in OSL, WCS Asia, runner up in WCS World championships, and semifinals of GSL along with his ridiculously high win rate in proleague.
3rd in BWC
o yeah, he lost the game because of a missed forcefield when creator decided to 4 gate him.... but meh. guess a win's a win.
On June 04 2013 17:04 opterown wrote: man these two guys are kinda awkward to listen to, but i need to listen to english cast since i need to be able to tell when to alt-tab to the stream to watch ;;
On June 04 2013 17:04 opterown wrote: man these two guys are kinda awkward to listen to, but i need to listen to english cast since i need to be able to tell when to alt-tab to the stream to watch ;;
Rowan Atkinson (Mr. Bean) graduated from Oxford, but SNM and Whiplash graduated from Awkward.
On June 04 2013 17:04 opterown wrote: man these two guys are kinda awkward to listen to, but i need to listen to english cast since i need to be able to tell when to alt-tab to the stream to watch ;;
Rowan Atkinson (Mr. Bean) graduated from Oxford, but SNM and Whiplash graduated from Awkward.
On June 04 2013 17:55 red_ wrote: So I accidentally Liquibet STX to win this because I forgot round 5 was over, and then I was like fuckfuckfuck Innovation can't carry alone vs SKT.
But they won!
haha I just checked and realized I liquibet STX also forgetting all kill round was over
On June 04 2013 17:55 red_ wrote: So I accidentally Liquibet STX to win this because I forgot round 5 was over, and then I was like fuckfuckfuck Innovation can't carry alone vs SKT.
But they won!
haha I just checked and realized I liquibet STX also forgetting all kill round was over
Lol I was going to say "you guys are lucky" because I was sure I'd picked SKT in this format, but as it turns out, I also picked STX. I probably forgot about the format change too. So "yeah, lucky us" :D
However, I'm going to start pointing the finger at boxer again. It was his lineup choices in WL that brought us down on a losing streak. And then he needs to find a way to not field 4 protosses. Between boxer and skt zergs, SKT has a lot to get together.
Dat Classic vs Rain. Watching Zest's previous lategame PvPs really makes me think that not having that one warp prism won't be an option in the future of lategame PvP engagements, especially with the upcoming buff.
Really wanted Fantasy to win, but I also really wanted to Innovation get back on track after losing the GSL finals (seems he's fine). Guess you can't have it all.
On June 04 2013 20:42 NicksonReyes wrote: ...especially with the upcoming buff.
That hasn't been confirmed to be going live yet, has it?
damn rain let me down there.. Had bisu, rain as captain and skt for team. Was an ideal spot for rain to win and then win the ace match brining in massive points.
I find it odd though that lategame PvP often seems to revert to colossi wars, I get that if both players expand they have to follow up with robo and thus the game becomes colossus vs colossus at first but why not go tempest instead of the second robo?? Tempest are like super vikings when it comes to fighting colossi. Is it because of the constant hallucination scouting that you have no opening for the tempest or is something else going on, i don't get completely get it
Even Dodgin is getting into the stats overlap (this is what happens when PL refuses to keep the BW/SC2 stats separate; you create franken stats!). Who do I have to write to get the KeSPA officials on board with this?
On June 04 2013 20:42 NicksonReyes wrote: Dat Classic vs Rain. Watching Zest's previous lategame PvPs really makes me think that not having that one warp prism won't be an option in the future of lategame PvP engagements, especially with the upcoming buff.
On June 05 2013 01:11 PIJAMA wrote: BISUUU!!! cant wait to go home and watch this match... :D
you'll enjoy it ^^
Surprised to see Classic win this since it's against Rain. This just in, ex-Terran players make better Protoss players than established ones lol. Jokes aside, they both played well but that prism idea by classic was brilliant imo.
On June 05 2013 01:11 PIJAMA wrote: BISUUU!!! cant wait to go home and watch this match... :D
you'll enjoy it ^^
Surprised to see Classic win this since it's against Rain. This just in, ex-Terran players make better Protoss players than established ones lol. Jokes aside, they both played well but that prism idea by classic was brilliant imo.
There was a point in time near the beginning of Classic's BW career where he had very near to a 90% winrate. Maybe the first 15 games or something. The only problem he ever really had was confidence. When he was in the zone he would micro three marine drops at the same time and shit.
On June 05 2013 01:11 PIJAMA wrote: BISUUU!!! cant wait to go home and watch this match... :D
you'll enjoy it ^^
Surprised to see Classic win this since it's against Rain. This just in, ex-Terran players make better Protoss players than established ones lol. Jokes aside, they both played well but that prism idea by classic was brilliant imo.
There was a point in time near the beginning of Classic's BW career where he had very near to a 90% winrate. Maybe the first 15 games or something. The only problem he ever really had was confidence. When he was in the zone he would micro three marine drops at the same time and shit.
Classic is 8-2 in PL at the moment against pretty good opponents to, pretty impressed with his protoss so far.
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