On June 02 2013 10:16 chipmonklord17 wrote: There's something on fb about stephano going to Korea. I don't know if he's there yet but theres a small chance he's there...
Even if he would already be there, rosters are locked for every round, so he wouldn't be eligible to play anyway.
On June 02 2013 10:16 chipmonklord17 wrote: There's something on fb about stephano going to Korea. I don't know if he's there yet but theres a small chance he's there...
Even if he would already be there, rosters are locked for every round, so he wouldn't be eligible to play anyway.
If there's something I'll never understand its why any team would remove players from their roster. Is there a price per player? What gain do they have taking them off the roster? Wait, do we know if Stephano is removed?
On June 02 2013 10:16 chipmonklord17 wrote: There's something on fb about stephano going to Korea. I don't know if he's there yet but theres a small chance he's there...
Even if he would already be there, rosters are locked for every round, so he wouldn't be eligible to play anyway.
Or maybe it was decided that Stephano will go back to Korea before the rosters got locked.
We should just send Rain out 2nd to improve his record some more.
I checked the stats and in HotS PL Rain is 17-4 80.95% win rate with all 4 losses in PvP. 100% winrate vs T and Z in PL since HotS, this includes wins over Flash, Innovation and Soulkey. God damn what a beast.
I started the day off by watching GSL, continued with WCS America, and now it's time to conclude with EG-TL getting beat up by SKToss. Ah, esports is great.
On June 02 2013 12:18 Slardar wrote: Only 2500 viewers watching this? What's going on T_T...
Everyone is exhausted from staying all for so long watching GSL finals plus WCS AM. I have had like 6 cups of coffee and I am dozing off every moment or so.
yeah, I opted to not watch WCS and watch this instead, I think otherwise I would have required more vespene gas or something, maybe psi energy.
Watching that again, Brown clearly panicked - probably due to a lack of practice against cannon rushes. He didn't try to kill the first cannon, and, more importantly, failed to kill Oz's probe. I don't think he even targeted it once.
On June 02 2013 12:22 aZealot wrote: Watching that again, Brown clearly panicked - probably due to a lack of practice against cannon rushes. He didn't try to kill the first cannon, and, more importantly, failed to kill Oz's probe. I don't think he even targeted it once.
Brown tried to fight it by getting stalkers out it looks like, but the proper response is counter cannons if your own I believe.
Almost everytime i switch to proleague (which is not that often considering the hour) there is a pvp going on. Is it really that common or am i just unlucky?
On June 02 2013 12:31 Assirra wrote: Everytime i switch to proleague (which is not that often considering the hour) there is a pvp going on. Is it really that common or am i just unlucky?
On June 02 2013 12:31 Assirra wrote: Everytime i switch to proleague (which is not that often considering the hour) there is a pvp going on. Is it really that common or am i just unlucky?
it's very very common. the 2 starters for 8th/STX are Protoss as well.
On June 02 2013 12:23 Havik_ wrote: PvProleague. I'm Protoss and I haven't played in a long time, so I need some motivation
I'm sure that last game gave you some insane motivation.
Oh yes. Perfect since I haven't laddered since like January. haha.
I've been intermittent since just about the end of 2012. I just don't have the time to play, anymore. But, I have a week off this week, so I may log some hours laddering. I had decided not to play HOTS. But I find myself getting sucked in and wanting to keep my hand in, even if only off and on and in the lower leagues. HOTS looks and feels better than WOL.
Parting? I mean Oz already took out Rain who's an incredible player already. I don't like this choice. IDK how good Oz is at the other matchups, but maybe send out Fantasy or a Zerg and then save Parting for ace?
On June 02 2013 12:45 Havik_ wrote: Parting? I mean Oz already took out Rain who's an incredible player already. I don't like this choice. IDK how good Oz is at the other matchups, but maybe send out Fantasy or a Zerg and then save Parting for ace?
this is SPl it's against rule to send out non Protoss players
On June 02 2013 12:45 Havik_ wrote: Parting? I mean Oz already took out Rain who's an incredible player already. I don't like this choice. IDK how good Oz is at the other matchups, but maybe send out Fantasy or a Zerg and then save Parting for ace?
they're playing for map score, why send fantasy third when he's not better than parting. pvp or not, parting can all kill if he plays well today.
phew I was afraid we would finally have a protoss crack the top 5 of aligulac especially with the changes they made to the rating system. Rain was already up to 8 but he pulls through by losing to a protoss 400 points lower than him D:
Haha, you're back, and you showed some impressive play with a come from behind victory. How did you do it?
Oz: I was really behind, but every ex-esf player knows when behind in PvP, they should ask themselves what would Inca do? So I was able to hold off with a cannon dt defense.
On June 02 2013 12:48 Shellshock1122 wrote: phew I was afraid we would finally have a protoss crack the top 5 of aligulac especially with the changes they made to the rating system. Rain was already up to 8 but he pulls through by losing to a protoss 400 points lower than him D:
On June 02 2013 12:48 stuchiu wrote: Mock Interview Pt. 2
Haha, you're back, and you showed some impressive play with a come from behind victory. How did you do it?
Oz: I was really behind, but every ex-esf player knows when behind in PvP, they should ask themselves what would Inca do? So I was able to hold off with a cannon dt defense.
On June 02 2013 12:48 Shellshock1122 wrote: phew I was afraid we would finally have a protoss crack the top 5 of aligulac especially with the changes they made to the rating system. Rain was already up to 8 but he pulls through by losing to a protoss 400 points lower than him D:
PvP so random
I miss 4gate hell sometimes, am I a bad person
Well it is as random but it ends faster so i can see where you are coming from
On June 02 2013 12:48 stuchiu wrote: Mock Interview Pt. 2
Haha, you're back, and you showed some impressive play with a come from behind victory. How did you do it?
Oz: I was really behind, but every ex-esf player knows when behind in PvP, they should ask themselves what would Inca do? So I was able to hold off with a cannon dt defense.
Yeah, it was really a skill-
Oz: Fuck you.
hahaha. When in doubt do like Inca, amazing.
Man I remember when Oz was one of the best pvpers, then he said PvP takes skill
On June 02 2013 12:52 partydude89 wrote: this is so funny. what if EGTL wins with Hero, Revival, Alive, and snute gone. that would be so freaking funny to me.
EDIT: also, anyone know if taeja is also in the studio?
On June 02 2013 12:48 Shellshock1122 wrote: phew I was afraid we would finally have a protoss crack the top 5 of aligulac especially with the changes they made to the rating system. Rain was already up to 8 but he pulls through by losing to a protoss 400 points lower than him D:
PvP so random
I miss 4gate hell sometimes, am I a bad person
Well it is as random but it ends faster so i can see where you are coming from
They should have sent Bisu. It would be completely meta. His PvP is so bad it would have sent Oz into confusion. Oz would then hurt himself in confusion. Oz would faint and be forced to GG.
On June 02 2013 12:54 GreyKnight wrote: really silly to keep sending protoss
Seriously, if you lose your ace in a match, you don't send out the same race as your ace to play the next match. It really doesn't make a lot of sense.
On June 02 2013 12:55 BisuDagger wrote: They should have sent Bisu. It would be completely meta. His PvP is so bad it would have sent Oz into confusion. Oz would then hurt himself in confusion. Oz would faint and be forced to GG.
On June 02 2013 12:54 eonDE wrote: Whoa Oz beat Rain?
lol my thoughts alike XD
On June 02 2013 12:55 BisuDagger wrote: They should have sent Bisu. It would be completely meta. His PvP is so bad it would have sent Oz into confusion. Oz would then hurt himself in confusion. Oz would faint and be forced to GG.
Bisu used confusion Oz is confused. Oz hurts its in its confusion Oz faints
On June 02 2013 12:55 BisuDagger wrote: They should have sent Bisu. It would be completely meta. His PvP is so bad it would have sent Oz into confusion. Oz would then hurt himself in confusion. Oz would faint and be forced to GG.
So... when Parting's units clustered into the mineral line, Oz could've pressed into the mineral line after them, or he could've isolated them in with forcefields and sniped the nexus while the units were stuck out of range, but he couldn't afford to shoot the nexus while taking fire from the units.
Some questionable decision making from Oz but i can understand why he did that. In pvp, the photon overcharge means that the Nexus tanks a lot of the damage which can be annoying when you have a stronger army but half of your units are hitting the nexus.
Cant believe Oz lost that. 5 immortals vs 2... seems like it's just a matter of shift-clicking immortals on immortals/stalkers and then the only thing you need to micro is the archons to make sure they are always stepping on FFs as soon as they are thrown up. Instead he just let his army run get stuck on them and targets the nexus...
On June 02 2013 13:07 Assirra wrote: I won't ever understand pvp, to me it looked like Oz could destroy Parting with the first push.
Oh he could have but he just botched the attacked so hard.
He had 2 Archons which were supposed to be used to break down the forcefields but as you saw there was 1 Archon in the front just attacking and not breaking down forcefields and the other 1 was stuck in the back and not controlled at all so the forcefields parting put down did their job because Oz was just trying to funnel his units in the 1 spot where there wasnt a forcefield as if he had forgotten he had Archons. And the fact that he targeted the nexus while in a (forgot the name) the green circle which slows attack speed and movement while partings units just picked away at oz's units without much effort.
On June 02 2013 13:08 BisuDagger wrote: Jaedong at this point doesn't make sense since he has weak vP.
Well they have to use him at some point, might as well pray he can take down the last good player for skt :p
Whirlwind is also probably the best remaining map for Jaedong to have a chance. It's not like he's going to be Parting on Naro Station or w/e it's called
Everyone remember round 6 FPL starts shortly after tonight's matches. We will do our best to open it asap but please keep a watch out as you will only have less then one day.
We need a legendary video that can be posted through the ages. He just needs to get into an important PvZ against someone in a foreign tournament (as he wouldn't say it in Korea I don't think)
On June 02 2013 13:13 BisuDagger wrote: Everyone remember round 6 FPL starts shortly after tonight's matches. We will do our best to open it asap but please keep a watch out as you will only have less then one day.
On June 02 2013 13:13 BisuDagger wrote: Everyone remember round 6 FPL starts shortly after tonight's matches. We will do our best to open it asap but please keep a watch out as you will only have less then one day.
love you <3
By proxy you love Bisu too. And that is the greatest gift any man can give.
On June 02 2013 13:10 geno wrote: Cant believe Oz lost that. 5 immortals vs 2... seems like it's just a matter of shift-clicking immortals on immortals/stalkers and then the only thing you need to micro is the archons to make sure they are always stepping on FFs as soon as they are thrown up. Instead he just let his army run get stuck on them and targets the nexus...
Probes are good vs Immortals and an eco disadvantage is quiet unimportant in PvP if the opponent loses units for it. So Archons would have needed to be pulled back after the Ramp was broken for the Probe pull. Oz should have microed this with 2 groups, so the Archons could go back and force through the middle. Oh well pro gamers and micro.
On June 02 2013 13:08 BisuDagger wrote: Jaedong at this point doesn't make sense since he has weak vP.
Seeing alot of games ending fast on Whirlwind lately, Parting should scout well hehe.
On June 02 2013 13:13 BisuDagger wrote: Everyone remember round 6 FPL starts shortly after tonight's matches. We will do our best to open it asap but please keep a watch out as you will only have less then one day.
love you <3
By proxy you love Bisu too. And that is the greatest gift any man can give.
On June 02 2013 13:13 BisuDagger wrote: Everyone remember round 6 FPL starts shortly after tonight's matches. We will do our best to open it asap but please keep a watch out as you will only have less then one day.
love you <3
By proxy you love Bisu too. And that is the greatest gift any man can give.
Why does Bisu need more love? He's already got it just from his good looks. Spare some for CJ bench players and EGTL -_-
On June 02 2013 13:13 BisuDagger wrote: Everyone remember round 6 FPL starts shortly after tonight's matches. We will do our best to open it asap but please keep a watch out as you will only have less then one day.
love you <3
By proxy you love Bisu too. And that is the greatest gift any man can give.
Why does Bisu need more love? He's already got it just from his good looks. Spare some for CJ bench players and EGTL -_-
Not my fault the other PL teams fell victim to the ugly stick.
On June 02 2013 13:13 BisuDagger wrote: Everyone remember round 6 FPL starts shortly after tonight's matches. We will do our best to open it asap but please keep a watch out as you will only have less then one day.
love you <3
By proxy you love Bisu too. And that is the greatest gift any man can give.
Why does Bisu need more love? He's already got it just from his good looks. Spare some for CJ bench players and EGTL -_-
Not my fault the other PL teams fell victim to the ugly stick.
Woongjin Stars has the best looks and the best team
On June 02 2013 13:13 BisuDagger wrote: Everyone remember round 6 FPL starts shortly after tonight's matches. We will do our best to open it asap but please keep a watch out as you will only have less then one day.
love you <3
By proxy you love Bisu too. And that is the greatest gift any man can give.
Why does Bisu need more love? He's already got it just from his good looks. Spare some for CJ bench players and EGTL -_-
Not my fault the other PL teams fell victim to the ugly stick.
That's a pretty asshole AND untrue thing to say seeing as Horang2 has already retired, and leta is basically retiring and they are undisputed cuties.
On June 02 2013 13:13 BisuDagger wrote: Everyone remember round 6 FPL starts shortly after tonight's matches. We will do our best to open it asap but please keep a watch out as you will only have less then one day.
love you <3
By proxy you love Bisu too. And that is the greatest gift any man can give.
Why does Bisu need more love? He's already got it just from his good looks. Spare some for CJ bench players and EGTL -_-
Not my fault the other PL teams fell victim to the ugly stick.
Woongjin Stars has the best looks and the best team
On June 02 2013 13:13 BisuDagger wrote: Everyone remember round 6 FPL starts shortly after tonight's matches. We will do our best to open it asap but please keep a watch out as you will only have less then one day.
love you <3
By proxy you love Bisu too. And that is the greatest gift any man can give.
Why does Bisu need more love? He's already got it just from his good looks. Spare some for CJ bench players and EGTL -_-
On June 02 2013 13:13 BisuDagger wrote: Everyone remember round 6 FPL starts shortly after tonight's matches. We will do our best to open it asap but please keep a watch out as you will only have less then one day.
love you <3
By proxy you love Bisu too. And that is the greatest gift any man can give.
Why does Bisu need more love? He's already got it just from his good looks. Spare some for CJ bench players and EGTL -_-
Not my fault the other PL teams fell victim to the ugly stick.
Woongjin Stars has the best looks and the best team
On June 02 2013 13:13 BisuDagger wrote: Everyone remember round 6 FPL starts shortly after tonight's matches. We will do our best to open it asap but please keep a watch out as you will only have less then one day.
love you <3
By proxy you love Bisu too. And that is the greatest gift any man can give.
Why does Bisu need more love? He's already got it just from his good looks. Spare some for CJ bench players and EGTL -_-
On June 02 2013 13:13 BisuDagger wrote: Everyone remember round 6 FPL starts shortly after tonight's matches. We will do our best to open it asap but please keep a watch out as you will only have less then one day.
love you <3
By proxy you love Bisu too. And that is the greatest gift any man can give.
Why does Bisu need more love? He's already got it just from his good looks. Spare some for CJ bench players and EGTL -_-
Not my fault the other PL teams fell victim to the ugly stick.
Woongjin Stars has the best looks and the best team
On June 02 2013 13:13 BisuDagger wrote: Everyone remember round 6 FPL starts shortly after tonight's matches. We will do our best to open it asap but please keep a watch out as you will only have less then one day.
love you <3
By proxy you love Bisu too. And that is the greatest gift any man can give.
Why does Bisu need more love? He's already got it just from his good looks. Spare some for CJ bench players and EGTL -_-
BBYONG IS IN MY HEART. I BELIEVE
BBYONG is like the ultimate tribute to BISU!!!!!
BBYONG = Bisu+Bisu+Yong (Yong as in Kim Taek Yong)
On June 02 2013 13:13 BisuDagger wrote: Everyone remember round 6 FPL starts shortly after tonight's matches. We will do our best to open it asap but please keep a watch out as you will only have less then one day.
love you <3
By proxy you love Bisu too. And that is the greatest gift any man can give.
Why does Bisu need more love? He's already got it just from his good looks. Spare some for CJ bench players and EGTL -_-
BBYONG IS IN MY HEART. I BELIEVE
fuck baboyong, believe in the one true ace man ;D
skyhigh all the way (also he's tall and qt, perfect match <3)
On June 02 2013 13:13 BisuDagger wrote: Everyone remember round 6 FPL starts shortly after tonight's matches. We will do our best to open it asap but please keep a watch out as you will only have less then one day.
love you <3
By proxy you love Bisu too. And that is the greatest gift any man can give.
Why does Bisu need more love? He's already got it just from his good looks. Spare some for CJ bench players and EGTL -_-
Not my fault the other PL teams fell victim to the ugly stick.
Woongjin Stars has the best looks and the best team
That's so much Shin Taek, SKT will never win another singles league again if that was their roster, seeing as MSL was cancelled.
Bitch.
Those were all gomTV msl's so by proxy, GSL is the new MSL. He's just waiting for a dominating zerg to be worthy of meeting him in the finals of the GSL.
On June 02 2013 13:13 BisuDagger wrote: Everyone remember round 6 FPL starts shortly after tonight's matches. We will do our best to open it asap but please keep a watch out as you will only have less then one day.
love you <3
By proxy you love Bisu too. And that is the greatest gift any man can give.
Why does Bisu need more love? He's already got it just from his good looks. Spare some for CJ bench players and EGTL -_-
Not my fault the other PL teams fell victim to the ugly stick.
Woongjin Stars has the best looks and the best team
For some reason I find that JangBi reminds me of Li Yuchun, a Chinese singer/actress I sorta have a crush on
On June 02 2013 13:13 BisuDagger wrote: Everyone remember round 6 FPL starts shortly after tonight's matches. We will do our best to open it asap but please keep a watch out as you will only have less then one day.
love you <3
By proxy you love Bisu too. And that is the greatest gift any man can give.
Why does Bisu need more love? He's already got it just from his good looks. Spare some for CJ bench players and EGTL -_-
Not my fault the other PL teams fell victim to the ugly stick.
Woongjin Stars has the best looks and the best team
That's so much Shin Taek, SKT will never win another singles league again if that was their roster, seeing as MSL was cancelled.
Bitch.
Those were all gomTV msl's so by proxy, GSL is the new MSL. He's just waiting for a dominating zerg to be worthy of meeting him in the finals of the GSL.
but OGN broadcasts the GSL so it's just an OSL by proxy
On June 02 2013 13:13 BisuDagger wrote: Everyone remember round 6 FPL starts shortly after tonight's matches. We will do our best to open it asap but please keep a watch out as you will only have less then one day.
love you <3
By proxy you love Bisu too. And that is the greatest gift any man can give.
Why does Bisu need more love? He's already got it just from his good looks. Spare some for CJ bench players and EGTL -_-
Not my fault the other PL teams fell victim to the ugly stick.
Woongjin Stars has the best looks and the best team
For some reason I find that JangBi reminds me of Li Yuchun, a Chinese singer/actress I sorta have a crush on
JangBi prettiest kespa no contest
If we are doing different level of looks were does this land Jaedong?
On June 02 2013 13:13 BisuDagger wrote: Everyone remember round 6 FPL starts shortly after tonight's matches. We will do our best to open it asap but please keep a watch out as you will only have less then one day.
love you <3
By proxy you love Bisu too. And that is the greatest gift any man can give.
Why does Bisu need more love? He's already got it just from his good looks. Spare some for CJ bench players and EGTL -_-
Not my fault the other PL teams fell victim to the ugly stick.
Woongjin Stars has the best looks and the best team
That's so much Shin Taek, SKT will never win another singles league again if that was their roster, seeing as MSL was cancelled.
Bitch.
Those were all gomTV msl's so by proxy, GSL is the new MSL. He's just waiting for a dominating zerg to be worthy of meeting him in the finals of the GSL.
Bisu has made all of his tournament runs with PvP since 2006, so I hope you like lasers.
On June 02 2013 13:13 BisuDagger wrote: Everyone remember round 6 FPL starts shortly after tonight's matches. We will do our best to open it asap but please keep a watch out as you will only have less then one day.
love you <3
By proxy you love Bisu too. And that is the greatest gift any man can give.
Why does Bisu need more love? He's already got it just from his good looks. Spare some for CJ bench players and EGTL -_-
Not my fault the other PL teams fell victim to the ugly stick.
Woongjin Stars has the best looks and the best team
For some reason I find that JangBi reminds me of Li Yuchun, a Chinese singer/actress I sorta have a crush on
On June 02 2013 13:13 BisuDagger wrote: Everyone remember round 6 FPL starts shortly after tonight's matches. We will do our best to open it asap but please keep a watch out as you will only have less then one day.
love you <3
By proxy you love Bisu too. And that is the greatest gift any man can give.
Why does Bisu need more love? He's already got it just from his good looks. Spare some for CJ bench players and EGTL -_-
Not my fault the other PL teams fell victim to the ugly stick.
Woongjin Stars has the best looks and the best team
That's so much Shin Taek, SKT will never win another singles league again if that was their roster, seeing as MSL was cancelled.
Bitch.
Those were all gomTV msl's so by proxy, GSL is the new MSL. He's just waiting for a dominating zerg to be worthy of meeting him in the finals of the GSL.
but OGN broadcasts the GSL so it's just an OSL by proxy
But ultimately its the WCS Korea right? There is hope for Bisu yet. He's won a wcg or too.
That's so much Shin Taek, SKT will never win another singles league again if that was their roster, seeing as MSL was cancelled.
Bitch.
Those were all gomTV msl's so by proxy, GSL is the new MSL. He's just waiting for a dominating zerg to be worthy of meeting him in the finals of the GSL.
but OGN broadcasts the GSL so it's just an OSL by proxy
But ultimately its the WCS Korea right? There is hope for Bisu yet. He's won a wcg or too.
That's true. maybe he's just biding his time letting all the other top players forget about his strength and then he'll put together a good run
would be so awesome for EGTL if they win proleague tonight AND WCS AM tomorrow, although it will be pretty hard not to win WCS AM with 3 players in top 4.
On June 02 2013 13:38 BisuDagger wrote: Mutas are so strong in high numbers. I wish toss could use archons and storm like in sc1 to defend.
Range phoenix pretty much hard counter them, Parting was sitting on 1 stargate the whole time even though he committed to range tech. HT Archon basically forces you to sit at home till you get max, parting was 50 supply down and jaedong was taking the map.
Look at this, mutas are still bs even against phoenix openings. I love the fact that Jaedong is playing top notch zerg right now, but this was a bit ridiculous.
On June 02 2013 13:38 BisuDagger wrote: Mutas are so strong in high numbers. I wish toss could use archons and storm like in sc1 to defend.
Range phoenix pretty much hard counter them, Parting was sitting on 1 stargate the whole time even though he committed to range tech. HT Archon basically forces you to sit at home till you get max, parting was 50 supply down and jaedong was taking the map.
On June 02 2013 13:41 vhapter wrote: Look at this, mutas are still bs even against phoenix openings. I love the fact that Jaedong is playing top notch zerg right now, but this was a bit ridiculous.
It's one timing that Parting didn't respond fast enough to, he didn't add star gate till it was too late, if you can beat 8 (10) gas muta with 1 stargate production phoenix that would be truly imbalanced -_-
On June 02 2013 13:38 BisuDagger wrote: Mutas are so strong in high numbers. I wish toss could use archons and storm like in sc1 to defend.
Range phoenix pretty much hard counter them, Parting was sitting on 1 stargate the whole time even though he committed to range tech. HT Archon basically forces you to sit at home till you get max, parting was 50 supply down and jaedong was taking the map.
Wow, Jaedong you actually won a PvZ! Did you have confidence going into the match?
Yes, I have recently begun believing in miracles. Especially after G2 of this match (Oz: Hey, I'm right herel!") Since something so incomprehensible could happen, I thought I could win.
On June 02 2013 13:41 vhapter wrote: Look at this, mutas are still bs even against phoenix openings. I love the fact that Jaedong is playing top notch zerg right now, but this was a bit ridiculous.
It was the fungal, mate. Otherwise, even with smaller Phoenix numbers Parting was keeping the Mutas in check (more or less).
On June 02 2013 13:44 stuchiu wrote: Mock Interview Pt. 4
Wow, Jaedong you actually won a PvZ! Did you have confidence going into the match?
Yes, I have recently begun believing in miracles. Especially after G2 of this match (Oz: Hey, I'm right herel!") Since something so incomprehensible could happen, I thought I could win.
Protoss goes phoenix. Zerg makes 6 spores + repositions queens --> super safe to transition into whatever he wants.
Zerg goes muta. Protoss has to get phoenix range + mass phoenix in spite of not knowing if muta are coming once he scouts a spire. I don't think mutas shouldn't be viable at all, but I'm starting to think phoenix should come out with the range upgrade researched...
On June 02 2013 13:52 vhapter wrote: Protoss goes phoenix. Zerg makes 6 spores + repositions queens --> super safe to transition into whatever he wants.
Zerg goes muta. Protoss has to get phoenix range + mass phoenix in spite of not knowing if muta are coming once he scouts a spire. I don't think mutas shouldn't be viable at all, but I'm starting to think phoenix should come out with the range upgrade researched...
If phoenixes come out with the upgrade, 4 phoenix could kill 200 mutas.
On June 02 2013 13:53 BisuDagger wrote: Everyone remember round 6 FPL starts shortly after tonight's matches and is only open for one day. and For a little history. This is what fantasy PL teams looked like in 2008: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=76320
On June 02 2013 13:55 HappyZerGling wrote: Jaedong vs Fantasy is like Soulkey vs Innovation
Shut your damn mouth. A JD vs Fantasy would draw fangirls from the depths of hell. The first matchup, esp. from a BW context, is hard to compare to the latter.
On June 02 2013 13:52 vhapter wrote: Protoss goes phoenix. Zerg makes 6 spores + repositions queens --> super safe to transition into whatever he wants.
Zerg goes muta. Protoss has to get phoenix range + mass phoenix in spite of not knowing if muta are coming once he scouts a spire. I don't think mutas shouldn't be viable at all, but I'm starting to think phoenix should come out with the range upgrade researched...
No more upgrades being removed, thanks If anything, add another upgrade allowing Grav beam to pick up massive (for instance). That would mean the phoenix's are no longer useless if yet another Z tech switch (say to Ultra) comes along.
I'm not saying I don't hate Mutas, btw. I'm a Protoss. We all loathe (mass) Muta. Let's just not balance whine in a LR thread.
On June 02 2013 13:52 vhapter wrote: Protoss goes phoenix. Zerg makes 6 spores + repositions queens --> super safe to transition into whatever he wants.
Zerg goes muta. Protoss has to get phoenix range + mass phoenix in spite of not knowing if muta are coming once he scouts a spire. I don't think mutas shouldn't be viable at all, but I'm starting to think phoenix should come out with the range upgrade researched...
If phoenixes come out with the upgrade, 4 phoenix could kill 200 mutas.
or they can just a-move the entire protoss ground army and base wtf kind of bullshit response is that
As a zerg player I feel like all any player needs to do late game TvZ is start massing mines. Eventually you get hits like that and suddenly any game you're behind you get much closer. Its only a matter of time before the zerg gets caught off guard by them. Like those mutas
On June 02 2013 14:07 Shellshock1122 wrote: lol I guess my stream is a little behind because I read Dodgin and Lichter's posts and then watched it happen
On June 02 2013 14:07 Shellshock1122 wrote: lol I guess my stream is a little behind because I read Dodgin and Lichter's posts and then watched it happen
the secret-not-really-secret VLC stream is a bit ahead of twitch/youtube
Lol zvt is so ridiculous. Forget 6-7 mines that cost almost nothing, kills 7-8 100-100 units later on without even knowing it. Then kite 4 300-200 units with a few bio forces.
On June 02 2013 14:09 sM.Zik wrote: Lol zvt is so ridiculous. Forget 6-7 mines that cost almost nothing, kills 7-8 100-100 units later on without even knowing it. Then kite 4 300-200 units with a few bio forces.
Make sure you have an overseer with your expensive units, then.
On June 02 2013 14:09 sM.Zik wrote: Lol zvt is so ridiculous. Forget 6-7 mines that cost almost nothing, kills 7-8 100-100 units later on without even knowing it. Then kite 4 300-200 units with a few bio forces.
Make sure you have an overseer with your expensive units, then.
GG anyway, fun game.
Overseer can't keep up with the speed of mutas so they're almost always behind anyway.
On June 02 2013 14:09 sM.Zik wrote: Lol zvt is so ridiculous. Forget 6-7 mines that cost almost nothing, kills 7-8 100-100 units later on without even knowing it. Then kite 4 300-200 units with a few bio forces.
On June 02 2013 14:09 sM.Zik wrote: Lol zvt is so ridiculous. Forget 6-7 mines that cost almost nothing, kills 7-8 100-100 units later on without even knowing it. Then kite 4 300-200 units with a few bio forces.
On June 02 2013 14:09 sM.Zik wrote: Lol zvt is so ridiculous. Forget 6-7 mines that cost almost nothing, kills 7-8 100-100 units later on without even knowing it. Then kite 4 300-200 units with a few bio forces.
Make sure you have an overseer with your expensive units, then.
GG anyway, fun game.
He had an overseer with the mutas almost the entire game. I'm curious to know where it went when all the mutas died.
On June 02 2013 14:09 sM.Zik wrote: Lol zvt is so ridiculous. Forget 6-7 mines that cost almost nothing, kills 7-8 100-100 units later on without even knowing it. Then kite 4 300-200 units with a few bio forces.
Make sure you have an overseer with your expensive units, then.
GG anyway, fun game.
He had an overseer with the mutas almost the entire game. I'm curious to know where it went when all the mutas died.
On June 02 2013 14:09 sM.Zik wrote: Lol zvt is so ridiculous. Forget 6-7 mines that cost almost nothing, kills 7-8 100-100 units later on without even knowing it. Then kite 4 300-200 units with a few bio forces.
Make sure you have an overseer with your expensive units, then.
GG anyway, fun game.
He had an overseer with the mutas almost the entire game. I'm curious to know where it went when all the mutas died.
Probably half way across the map trying to chase them down. Anything with splash that hits air is too OP IMO. We all know how air units clump up.
On June 02 2013 14:09 sM.Zik wrote: Lol zvt is so ridiculous. Forget 6-7 mines that cost almost nothing, kills 7-8 100-100 units later on without even knowing it. Then kite 4 300-200 units with a few bio forces.
Make sure you have an overseer with your expensive units, then.
GG anyway, fun game.
He had an overseer with the mutas almost the entire game. I'm curious to know where it went when all the mutas died.
On June 02 2013 14:09 sM.Zik wrote: Lol zvt is so ridiculous. Forget 6-7 mines that cost almost nothing, kills 7-8 100-100 units later on without even knowing it. Then kite 4 300-200 units with a few bio forces.
On June 02 2013 14:10 veKtory wrote: So stupid how random mines on the map just won the game. No skill at all, just burrow them and pray.
and lose all your units through friendly fire. It is all about karma. Next time don't dance your lings after you crushed someones soul already and the Mines will be with you.
On June 02 2013 14:09 sM.Zik wrote: Lol zvt is so ridiculous. Forget 6-7 mines that cost almost nothing, kills 7-8 100-100 units later on without even knowing it. Then kite 4 300-200 units with a few bio forces.
Make sure you have an overseer with your expensive units, then.
GG anyway, fun game.
He had an overseer with the mutas almost the entire game. I'm curious to know where it went when all the mutas died.
Presumably marines or other mines took care of it. I really wish something was done about Zerg detection. It feels like Terran and Protoss have significantly better options. Especially now with how cost efficient mines are Zerg need better mobile detection. It takes significantly more work on a zerg's part to keep overseers alive than it does observers, or scans/ravens. Let alone the fact that they also are the supply cap increasing 'thing' of the zergs
On June 02 2013 14:12 Shock710 wrote: what was werid as shit....jaedong turning his ultra to attack fantasy than i get 4 ads in a row...5 now..whats going on in the game???
would assume your stream went behind as well at some point.
On June 02 2013 14:09 sM.Zik wrote: Lol zvt is so ridiculous. Forget 6-7 mines that cost almost nothing, kills 7-8 100-100 units later on without even knowing it. Then kite 4 300-200 units with a few bio forces.
Make sure you have an overseer with your expensive units, then.
GG anyway, fun game.
He had an overseer with the mutas almost the entire game. I'm curious to know where it went when all the mutas died.
Probably half way across the map trying to chase them down. Anything with splash that hits air is too OP IMO. We all know how air units clump up.
On June 02 2013 14:09 sM.Zik wrote: Lol zvt is so ridiculous. Forget 6-7 mines that cost almost nothing, kills 7-8 100-100 units later on without even knowing it. Then kite 4 300-200 units with a few bio forces.
Make sure you have an overseer with your expensive units, then.
GG anyway, fun game.
He had an overseer with the mutas almost the entire game. I'm curious to know where it went when all the mutas died.
Probably half way across the map trying to chase them down. Anything with splash that hits air is too OP IMO. We all know how air units clump up.
So Thors, Archons, spell casters are all op?
Except none of them do 125 damages and require detection to kill? What if Infestors could cast fungals while burrowed?
On June 02 2013 14:09 sM.Zik wrote: Lol zvt is so ridiculous. Forget 6-7 mines that cost almost nothing, kills 7-8 100-100 units later on without even knowing it. Then kite 4 300-200 units with a few bio forces.
Make sure you have an overseer with your expensive units, then.
GG anyway, fun game.
He had an overseer with the mutas almost the entire game. I'm curious to know where it went when all the mutas died.
Probably half way across the map trying to chase them down. Anything with splash that hits air is too OP IMO. We all know how air units clump up.
So Thors, Archons, spell casters are all op?
Except none of them do 125 damages and require detection to kill? What if Infestors could cast fungals while burrowed?
On June 02 2013 14:20 jesteRp wrote: first time i seen the crowd so packed..... wonder why.
yeah I'm confused, but its nice that proleague is having a decent crowd today.
Oh, probably have to do with the Kespa GSL finals.
Now I'm confused. The crowds have been pretty big all round 5 especially for KT and SKT matches. Not sure where the surprise is coming from.
People thought Kespa matches were lame then they saw the finals which was a boost? Because most people assumed GSL (ESF) was more entertaining than Proleague which is just Kespa
On June 02 2013 14:20 jesteRp wrote: first time i seen the crowd so packed..... wonder why.
yeah I'm confused, but its nice that proleague is having a decent crowd today.
Oh, probably have to do with the Kespa GSL finals.
Now I'm confused. The crowds have been pretty big all round 5 especially for KT and SKT matches. Not sure where the surprise is coming from.
People thought Kespa matches were lame then they saw the finals which was a boost? Because most people assumed GSL (ESF) was more entertaining than Proleague which is just Kespa
My point is that it's been this way for weeks. GSL may have increased the crowd, but not by much more because like I said round 5 has had great crowds.
On June 02 2013 14:20 jesteRp wrote: first time i seen the crowd so packed..... wonder why.
yeah I'm confused, but its nice that proleague is having a decent crowd today.
Oh, probably have to do with the Kespa GSL finals.
Now I'm confused. The crowds have been pretty big all round 5 especially for KT and SKT matches. Not sure where the surprise is coming from.
People thought Kespa matches were lame then they saw the finals which was a boost? Because most people assumed GSL (ESF) was more entertaining than Proleague which is just Kespa
My point is that it's been this way for weeks. GSL may have increased the crowd, but not by much more because like I said round 5 has had great crowds.
It's all kill. Come on. Fans like the format. It just got compounded by the Kespa v Kespa GSL finals. Some of them probably here to see innovation later.
I feel like those attacks would have been COMPLETELY different with burrow. Why wouldn't you get it for a build like that? Especially considering it's hatch tech and you aren't trying to be particularly efficient in the first place.
On June 02 2013 14:36 poisui wrote: Can JYP do better than Zenio with his cheese? If not, SKT1 wins. :D
SKT1 hwaiting!!!!!!!!
IIRC JYP already crushed FanTaSy in a ~30 minute macro game in round 2... Also when he streamed before this round started ~80% of his games were on Korhal Floating Island...
On June 02 2013 14:36 poisui wrote: Can JYP do better than Zenio with his cheese? If not, SKT1 wins. :D
SKT1 hwaiting!!!!!!!!
IIRC JYP already crushed FanTaSy in a ~30 minute macro game in round 2... Also when he streamed before this round started ~80% of his games were on Korhal Floating Island...
Fantasy didn't want to engage, so he moved his medievacs to drop. JYP knew it would happen and had an observer there, so he moved his Stalkers to take out the drop. Fantasy knew JYP knew it would happen and scanned the ledge where the Stalkers would have to intercept.
On June 02 2013 15:10 KingofGods wrote: TvP gets ridiculous at this point. Terran has to win a fight and literally lose nothing so they can fight and kill a 2nd army or they lose the game.
Wow! What a brilliant game by JYP! Goddamn, that was awesome! Ghost/viking in TvP is honestly a composition that sometimes gives me the feeling that it may be too strong, but JYP's play was so patient and superbly positional there. So awesome.
And boy, funny that Oz won 2 PvPs, Jaedong won a ZvP, and JYP won a PvT. All matchups that they have been famously bad at.
Is it just me or does the crowd at Yongsan look a lot more full tonight? The last crowd shot I saw showed at least quite a few people in the front row?
Exciting match but not very high level, especially from Fantasy. Poor micro, too many Vikings, no strategic plan and bad defensive setup means his army is always dragged around by the opponent.
I have to say I did not expect JYP to win over Fantasy... not in a million years! The same could be said about Jaedong winning versus Parting! Is he back, at last?
On June 02 2013 15:16 stuchiu wrote: Oz wins 2 PvPs
Jaedong wins 1 PvZ
JYP wins 1 PvT.
Half of EGTL > SKT1.
Damn, the hell did I watch.
Lots of upsets. Though I don't think JYP winning a PvT is an upset at all, at least it's not anymore and since like a year ago JYP has been pretty good in PvT.
On June 02 2013 15:22 WrexSC2 wrote: Seriously JYP was playing out of his mind. Constant, efficient harassment. Great storms against a TON of ghosts. Sick engagements. Great macro.
His only issue was not having enough observers with his army. Other than that it was a great performance.
This. I dont think I've ever seen him play this well. That was an insanely good PvT but on Fanta's part..that was relaly poor ghost usage..
On June 02 2013 15:16 stuchiu wrote: Oz wins 2 PvPs
Jaedong wins 1 PvZ
JYP wins 1 PvT.
Half of EGTL > SKT1.
Damn, the hell did I watch.
Lots of upsets. Though I don't think JYP winning a PvT is an upset at all, at least it's not anymore and since like a year ago JYP has been pretty good in PvT.
It's actually probably his best matchup now considering all the vP and vZ he lost lately including to a bunch of foreigners and getting 2-0d by Zenio. He at least won all his PvTs vs foreigners in WCS AM. Better than his other mu.
On June 02 2013 15:22 WrexSC2 wrote: Seriously JYP was playing out of his mind. Constant, efficient harassment. Great storms against a TON of ghosts. Sick engagements. Great macro.
His only issue was not having enough observers with his army. Other than that it was a great performance.
This. I dont think I've ever seen him play this well. That was an insanely good PvT but on Fanta's part..that was relaly poor ghost usage..
BW pros with one hotkey syndrome make my brain bleed
On June 02 2013 15:22 WrexSC2 wrote: Seriously JYP was playing out of his mind. Constant, efficient harassment. Great storms against a TON of ghosts. Sick engagements. Great macro.
His only issue was not having enough observers with his army. Other than that it was a great performance.
Not having enough observers is not his issue when Fantasy is just generally very good at constantly taking them out every single poke or engagement in his TvPs.
On June 02 2013 15:20 Wingblade wrote: Is it just me or does the crowd at Yongsan look a lot more full tonight? The last crowd shot I saw showed at least quite a few people in the front row?
On June 02 2013 15:20 Wingblade wrote: Is it just me or does the crowd at Yongsan look a lot more full tonight? The last crowd shot I saw showed at least quite a few people in the front row?
On June 02 2013 15:22 WrexSC2 wrote: Seriously JYP was playing out of his mind. Constant, efficient harassment. Great storms against a TON of ghosts. Sick engagements. Great macro.
His only issue was not having enough observers with his army. Other than that it was a great performance.
This. I dont think I've ever seen him play this well. That was an insanely good PvT but on Fanta's part..that was relaly poor ghost usage..
I think JYP's constant harassment and constantly moving army caused the ghosts to throw away too many bad EMPs and lose alot of energy. Fantasy could have done a lot better but I'm giving JYP a ton of credit for making those engagements against the ghosts work well. His viking usage wasn't too great either. He never got any good shots on the collosi.
On June 02 2013 15:16 stuchiu wrote: Oz wins 2 PvPs
Jaedong wins 1 PvZ
JYP wins 1 PvT.
Half of EGTL > SKT1.
Damn, the hell did I watch.
Lots of upsets. Though I don't think JYP winning a PvT is an upset at all, at least it's not anymore and since like a year ago JYP has been pretty good in PvT.
It's actually probably his best matchup now considering all the vP and vZ he lost lately including to a bunch of foreigners and getting 2-0d by Zenio. He at least won all his PvTs vs foreigners in WCS AM. Better than his other mu.
I don't know about the stats but everytime I see him he plays really decently, and can sometimes be really impressive. I remember him beating Innovation like 3 months ago.
On June 02 2013 15:20 Wingblade wrote: Is it just me or does the crowd at Yongsan look a lot more full tonight? The last crowd shot I saw showed at least quite a few people in the front row?
Ah I see that. When Jaedong tells you to do something, you simply do it. Because it's Jaedong. I still can't understand for the life of me how he beat Parting in a PvZ... Come on Parting you're better than that
On June 02 2013 15:20 Wingblade wrote: Is it just me or does the crowd at Yongsan look a lot more full tonight? The last crowd shot I saw showed at least quite a few people in the front row?
Ah I see that. When Jaedong tells you to do something, you simply do it. Because it's Jaedong. I still can't understand for the life of me how he beat Parting in a PvZ... Come on Parting you're better than that
It was more JD's incredible play than Parting screwing it up. That split second fungal sealed the game.
On June 02 2013 15:20 Wingblade wrote: Is it just me or does the crowd at Yongsan look a lot more full tonight? The last crowd shot I saw showed at least quite a few people in the front row?
Ah I see that. When Jaedong tells you to do something, you simply do it. Because it's Jaedong. I still can't understand for the life of me how he beat Parting in a PvZ... Come on Parting you're better than that
It was more JD's incredible play than Parting screwing it up. That split second fungal sealed the game.
I saw that... If everyone else in my house wasnt asleep I would have screamed in pain and agony...
What in the world.. Oz beating the PvP god Rain, JD somehow wins a ZvP against PartinG, and JYP wins a PvT against Fantasy?? Boxer seemingly made all the right decisions in sending out his players, and I don't think anyone would have expected a result like this based on player line-ups.
I knew that parting's pvz was the most overrated thing ever but JAEDONG? Damn. Well what do you know, EGTL just beat SKT with half their lineup, Oz won two PvPs (one against Rain) and JYP beat a terran in the ace match.
aww dang, normally i always bet on EGTL cuz i ov love and this time i thought meeh with players being away for wcs its gonna be hrad lets be reasonable and bet against them =O but well done Team EGTL =)
Wow, extreme underdog victory here considering EGTL was missing half its roster, pretty cool, especially since I'm a pretty big Oz fan. Too bad it was against the team that I want to win Proleague. Guess life isn't perfect, eh?
If you are an EG-TL fan, read the first few pages of the thread and enjoy all of the people writing them off. It makes the win that much more satisfactory.
So all the players were fielded in their weakest matchup (well, I assumed they were) and THEN they win. Maybe they should continue using this strategy of being so counter-intuitive.
On June 02 2013 09:28 opterown wrote: oz > brown oz > bisu oz > parting oz > rain
pvp god return plz
hey halfway there not bad
Had a good chance vs Parting too apparently (I missed that game)
ya he played pretty well against Parting but then focus his nexi losing his army and getting rolled lol.
Just watched JYP's game, awesome stuff! He was on top of everything from army placement to drop etc... Hope he continues to play strong! EG-TL fighting!
On June 02 2013 21:57 Pazuzu wrote: Damn Oz! takin out rain and brown and only dropping to parting thats a pretty damn good run
The sad thing is that Oz's first push could've actually killed Parting but he botched the entire attack so hard lol
truth! his archon positioning was so ::UGH:: (clunky units) if they had been properly positioned more the front (to crush the few force fields Parting had the energy for)... Oz's army could have pushed right through and probably taken the game right there. his PvP looks quite formidable... anyway, just that little mistake, cost him 3-0 and chance for all-kill... his push timing was perfect otherwise.
but we ended up seeing JD and JYP finish out an awesome series so all was well
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