On May 20 2013 18:58 Zealously wrote: Talk about delayed
Can't even blame Hero for that. They would have been fine if not for the 10- to 20-minute downtimes between every single game. They need almost as much time for a bo1 as other tournaments need to broadcast a bo3...
Zest not scouting with a probe early and going for MSC and robo(even before seeing dt tech). He's really confident about his PvP, going for safe builds and letting his opponent do what he wants.
On May 20 2013 19:37 BisuDagger wrote: I had a banner for this but I'm not home lol. Oh well, go T8 baby gonna allkill I can feel it.
I'd be so happy for him, really deserves it, been a little behind the times last season.
Creator style son.
Seriously, everyone talks about rising talent in Innovation and Rain, but BaBy started so you and has had the most potential for so many years. Still waiting for him to just destroy all.
On May 20 2013 19:37 BisuDagger wrote: I had a banner for this but I'm not home lol. Oh well, go T8 baby gonna allkill I can feel it.
I'd be so happy for him, really deserves it, been a little behind the times last season.
Creator style son.
Seriously, everyone talks about rising talent in Innovation and Rain, but BaBy started so you and has had the most potential for so many years. Still waiting for him to just destroy all.
Yeah, watching him improve season by season has been really cool to see. Always loved him in BW, one of my favorite Terrans.
On May 20 2013 19:38 Epithet wrote: Love you banners BisuDagger! Hope you keep up the great work
Thanks!
On May 20 2013 19:39 Badfatpanda wrote:
On May 20 2013 19:37 BisuDagger wrote: I had a banner for this but I'm not home lol. Oh well, go T8 baby gonna allkill I can feel it.
I'd be so happy for him, really deserves it, been a little behind the times last season.
Creator style son.
Seriously, everyone talks about rising talent in Innovation and Rain, but BaBy started so you and has had the most potential for so many years. Still waiting for him to just destroy all.
Yeah, watching him improve season by season has been really cool to see. Always loved him in BW, one of my favorite Terrans.
On May 20 2013 19:37 BisuDagger wrote: I had a banner for this but I'm not home lol. Oh well, go T8 baby gonna allkill I can feel it.
I'd be so happy for him, really deserves it, been a little behind the times last season.
Creator style son.
Seriously, everyone talks about rising talent in Innovation and Rain, but BaBy started so you and has had the most potential for so many years. Still waiting for him to just destroy all.
Yeah... it's so sad to see him start losing every time he's on the verge of breaking through. He sure has a hell of a lot of potential.
On May 20 2013 19:56 graNite wrote: so much downtime, the casters look horrible in that their pink shirts, SNM annoys me so much with his "rebible, templor"... why am i watching...?
On May 20 2013 19:56 graNite wrote: so much downtime, the casters look horrible in that their pink shirts, SNM annoys me so much with his "rebible, templor"... why am i watching...?
oh yeah right, Flash.
What does "rebible" mean?
when snm tries to say "revival" or "templar" it sounds like "rebible" and "templor".
On May 20 2013 19:56 graNite wrote: so much downtime, the casters look horrible in that their pink shirts, SNM annoys me so much with his "rebible, templor"... why am i watching...?
oh yeah right, Flash.
What does "rebible" mean?
when snm tries to say "revival" or "templar" it sounds like "rebible" and "templor".
Ah, yeah, his speech impediment is extremely annoying sometimes... :/
On May 20 2013 20:02 Taosu wrote: Still SNM's English is brilliant compared to 99% of Koreans. Try watching MC's comments at WCS EU to feel the difference.
the difference is that mc is no caster.
//and i think i am not really picky when i critize something like that. khaldor also makes a really annoying mistake when he always says "borrow" instead of "burrow"...
On May 20 2013 20:02 Taosu wrote: Still SNM's English is brilliant compared to 99% of Koreans. Try watching MC's comments at WCS EU to feel the difference.
On May 20 2013 19:56 graNite wrote: so much downtime, the casters look horrible in that their pink shirts, SNM annoys me so much with his "rebible, templor"... why am i watching...?
oh yeah right, Flash.
What does "rebible" mean?
when snm tries to say "revival" or "templar" it sounds like "rebible" and "templor".
Ah, yeah, his speech impediment is extremely annoying sometimes... :/
On May 20 2013 20:14 freetgy wrote: What the skill involved doing these Hellbat drops? Boost--> Drop --> Leave , rinse repeat
seams like brain dead strategy anyone can execute to great effect (which imo is a indication of an issue here)
you have to actually pay attention to your drop, drop the hellbats on the Probes that get pulled away and use hold position or focus fire, else they'll just attack the Protoss units. The micro is not that difficult, but splitting your attention to take care of that micro and an attack at another place on the map and macroing up at the same time is. That's why Ty gets constantly supply-blocked, his multi-tasking is pretty good but he has still lots of room for improvement.
On May 20 2013 20:14 freetgy wrote: What the skill involved doing these Hellbat drops? Boost--> Drop --> Leave , rinse repeat
seams like brain dead strategy anyone can execute to great effect (which imo is a indication of an issue here)
Well, that's oversimplifying. There's the drop timing, location, approach vector, targeting probes (as they have lower attack priority than units and cannons) and getting the medivac out.
But the point is, the drop are not that effective. It's not like they killed way more than they cost. Instead, that one Artosis Pylon has put Zest's tech 1 minute back which means TY has had an easy time with the viking timing, ghost timing, etc.
On May 20 2013 20:14 freetgy wrote: What the skill involved doing these Hellbat drops? Boost--> Drop --> Leave , rinse repeat
seams like brain dead strategy anyone can execute to great effect (which imo is a indication of an issue here)
Well, that's oversimplifying. There's the drop timing, location, approach vector, targeting probes (as they have lower attack priority than units and cannons) and getting the medivac out.
But the point is, the drop are not that effective. It's not like they killed way more than they cost. Instead, that one Artosis Pylon has put Zest's tech 1 minute back which means TY has had an easy time with the viking timing, ghost timing, etc.
It's almost impossible to not be cost effective with hellbat drops. With half decent micro and booster, you shouldn't lose the medivac. You are then essentially dropping 200 minerals worth of units with a chance of doing large damage. You don't even necessarily have to lose the hellbats, and combined with lost mining time, you could throw them away for like 2-3 probes and still come out even / ahead. In the cases you get more than that (which is considerably often), they can win you the game.
On May 20 2013 20:28 liberate71 wrote: Jesus... I'm SO fucking close to getting adblock, just to avoid the 500% volume samsung advert that plays at every break.
On May 20 2013 20:28 liberate71 wrote: Jesus... I'm SO fucking close to getting adblock, just to avoid the 500% volume samsung advert that plays at every break.
Just activated mine for that same reason... as well as I'm so frustrated with the shit commentary I don't want to subsidize this shit any more than necessary :-/
On May 20 2013 20:27 grapedog wrote: God that was a horrible game. Stats was completely abused during that game. Games like that make me want to switch away from playing protoss.
On May 20 2013 20:27 grapedog wrote: God that was a horrible game. Stats was completely abused during that game. Games like that make me want to switch away from playing protoss.
I'm sure many Terran players feel the same when they are getting proxy Robo'ed, DT'ed, Stargate'ed, or just aren't 100% focused on their army and gets caught by a force field or two.
On May 20 2013 20:43 AlternativeEgo wrote: Puzzle played in Dreamhack less than a month ago :p Made it to Ro16 where he got knocked out by HerO 0-2. Only terran he played was Center (2-1).
On May 20 2013 20:43 AlternativeEgo wrote: Puzzle played in Dreamhack less than a month ago :p Made it to Ro16 where he got knocked out by HerO 0-2. Only terran he played was Center (2-1).
I'd love to see protoss with some kind of refundable/moveable static defense option. Being able to load up on spores/spines or bunkers, which can be moved or refunded is so advantageous.
On May 20 2013 21:13 grapedog wrote: I'd love to see protoss with some kind of refundable/moveable static defense option. Being able to load up on spores/spines or bunkers, which can be moved or refunded is so advantageous.
Canons are the most flexible static defense in the game.
On May 20 2013 21:13 grapedog wrote: I'd love to see protoss with some kind of refundable/moveable static defense option. Being able to load up on spores/spines or bunkers, which can be moved or refunded is so advantageous.
Bad luck Bogus: loses one Bo1 serie to a (top) zerg; game gets broadcasted like a billion times as a filler. (Or maybe it points out how good that guy is)
On May 20 2013 21:21 FakePseudo wrote: Bad luck Bogus: loses one Bo1 serie to a (top) zerg; game gets broadcasted like a billion times as a filler. (Or maybe it points out how good that guy is)
Or maybe it points out how good that game is, regardless of the players.
On May 20 2013 21:44 etherealfall wrote: Horrendous game? Always easier to judge when you're not the one executing it. That was incredible multitasking by both. GG.
I especially liked the part when Baby was multitasking his medivac over the mineral line for 20 seconds.
On May 20 2013 21:41 Ragnarork wrote: "Tanks are gonna melt"
WTF do you know how this game works ?
He realized after saying "The tanks are..." that he should've said "The hellbats are..." in the middle of the sentence, so he decided to just end with "...are going to melt the hellbats."
On May 20 2013 21:44 etherealfall wrote: Horrendous game? Always easier to judge when you're not the one executing it. That was incredible multitasking by both. GG.
I especially liked the part when Baby was multitasking his medivac over the mineral line for 20 seconds.
On May 20 2013 21:44 etherealfall wrote: Horrendous game? Always easier to judge when you're not the one executing it. That was incredible multitasking by both. GG.
I especially liked the part when Baby was multitasking his medivac over the mineral line for 20 seconds.
On May 20 2013 21:44 etherealfall wrote: Horrendous game? Always easier to judge when you're not the one executing it. That was incredible multitasking by both. GG.
I especially liked the part when Baby was multitasking his medivac over the mineral line for 20 seconds.
On May 20 2013 21:44 etherealfall wrote: Horrendous game? Always easier to judge when you're not the one executing it. That was incredible multitasking by both. GG.
I especially liked the part when Baby was multitasking his medivac over the mineral line for 20 seconds.
I guess you can do better
That's a terrible argument since I don't get paid to play the game. Whether or not I can do better is completely irrelevant.
On May 20 2013 21:47 Longtimer wrote: Well, Flash is good, but he's no Lucifron just yet. Maybe a couple of months more?
Couple months are not enough, couple decades probably can do the work.
Yeah. Looks like WC3 -> Kespa.
Lucifron is from WC3? Oh, man, my mistakes. Then it will probably need 50 years for Flash to get to Lucifron's current skill level. Couple decades are definitely not enough.
On May 20 2013 21:44 etherealfall wrote: Horrendous game? Always easier to judge when you're not the one executing it. That was incredible multitasking by both. GG.
I especially liked the part when Baby was multitasking his medivac over the mineral line for 20 seconds.
On May 20 2013 21:44 etherealfall wrote: Horrendous game? Always easier to judge when you're not the one executing it. That was incredible multitasking by both. GG.
I especially liked the part when Baby was multitasking his medivac over the mineral line for 20 seconds.
I guess you can do better
That's a terrible argument since I don't get paid to play the game. Whether or not I can do better is completely irrelevant.
On May 20 2013 21:44 etherealfall wrote: Horrendous game? Always easier to judge when you're not the one executing it. That was incredible multitasking by both. GG.
I especially liked the part when Baby was multitasking his medivac over the mineral line for 20 seconds.
On May 20 2013 21:44 etherealfall wrote: Horrendous game? Always easier to judge when you're not the one executing it. That was incredible multitasking by both. GG.
I especially liked the part when Baby was multitasking his medivac over the mineral line for 20 seconds.
I guess you can do better
That's a terrible argument since I don't get paid to play the game. Whether or not I can do better is completely irrelevant.
this is not an argument, this is a simple way of saying "your opinion is too thin"
On May 20 2013 21:44 etherealfall wrote: Horrendous game? Always easier to judge when you're not the one executing it. That was incredible multitasking by both. GG.
I especially liked the part when Baby was multitasking his medivac over the mineral line for 20 seconds.
oh come on, as if you were Parting or smth.
On May 20 2013 21:48 etherealfall wrote:
On May 20 2013 21:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 20 2013 21:44 etherealfall wrote: Horrendous game? Always easier to judge when you're not the one executing it. That was incredible multitasking by both. GG.
I especially liked the part when Baby was multitasking his medivac over the mineral line for 20 seconds.
I guess you can do better
That's a terrible argument since I don't get paid to play the game. Whether or not I can do better is completely irrelevant.
you shouldn't critise people then :D
That's the same argument, lol. All I'm saying is that their multitasking could've been better that game. That's got about nothing to do with me at all.
On May 20 2013 21:44 etherealfall wrote: Horrendous game? Always easier to judge when you're not the one executing it. That was incredible multitasking by both. GG.
I especially liked the part when Baby was multitasking his medivac over the mineral line for 20 seconds.
Me too, pretty impressive. Considering what he had to manage at the same time. Baby too good but FlaSh even more.
On May 20 2013 21:44 etherealfall wrote: Horrendous game? Always easier to judge when you're not the one executing it. That was incredible multitasking by both. GG.
I especially liked the part when Baby was multitasking his medivac over the mineral line for 20 seconds.
oh come on, as if you were Parting or smth.
On May 20 2013 21:48 etherealfall wrote:
On May 20 2013 21:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 20 2013 21:44 etherealfall wrote: Horrendous game? Always easier to judge when you're not the one executing it. That was incredible multitasking by both. GG.
I especially liked the part when Baby was multitasking his medivac over the mineral line for 20 seconds.
I guess you can do better
That's a terrible argument since I don't get paid to play the game. Whether or not I can do better is completely irrelevant.
this is not an argument, this is a simple way of saying "your opinion is too thin"
Judging by what? I've seen better from both players. I have something to compare it to. Compared to that, Baby parking his full medivac on top of Flash's mineral line for 20 seconds was far from impressive. I don't need to be better than them at the game to realize that.
On May 20 2013 21:44 etherealfall wrote: Horrendous game? Always easier to judge when you're not the one executing it. That was incredible multitasking by both. GG.
I especially liked the part when Baby was multitasking his medivac over the mineral line for 20 seconds.
oh come on, as if you were Parting or smth.
On May 20 2013 21:48 etherealfall wrote:
On May 20 2013 21:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 20 2013 21:44 etherealfall wrote: Horrendous game? Always easier to judge when you're not the one executing it. That was incredible multitasking by both. GG.
I especially liked the part when Baby was multitasking his medivac over the mineral line for 20 seconds.
I guess you can do better
That's a terrible argument since I don't get paid to play the game. Whether or not I can do better is completely irrelevant.
this is not an argument, this is a simple way of saying "your opinion is too thin"
You don't need to be able to perfrom better than someone to see that they did not do as well as they should have. Using that to devalue someone's opinion is a pretty shitty thing to do. You have your opinion, DarkLordOlli and I have ours.
If you guys are content with two ace players comittting dozens of micro errors in a 2 base vs 2 base situation, good for you. I want to see better than that (and we often do, too).
On May 20 2013 21:44 etherealfall wrote: Horrendous game? Always easier to judge when you're not the one executing it. That was incredible multitasking by both. GG.
I especially liked the part when Baby was multitasking his medivac over the mineral line for 20 seconds.
oh come on, as if you were Parting or smth.
On May 20 2013 21:48 etherealfall wrote:
On May 20 2013 21:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 20 2013 21:44 etherealfall wrote: Horrendous game? Always easier to judge when you're not the one executing it. That was incredible multitasking by both. GG.
I especially liked the part when Baby was multitasking his medivac over the mineral line for 20 seconds.
I guess you can do better
That's a terrible argument since I don't get paid to play the game. Whether or not I can do better is completely irrelevant.
this is not an argument, this is a simple way of saying "your opinion is too thin"
Judging by what? I've seen better from both players. I have something to compare it to. Compared to that, Baby parking his full medivac on top of Flash's mineral line for 20 seconds was far from impressive. I don't need to be better than them at the game to realize that.
Focusing on 1 mistake rather than everything that was great about that game must make for an enjoyable spectating experience.
On May 20 2013 21:44 etherealfall wrote: Horrendous game? Always easier to judge when you're not the one executing it. That was incredible multitasking by both. GG.
I especially liked the part when Baby was multitasking his medivac over the mineral line for 20 seconds.
oh come on, as if you were Parting or smth.
On May 20 2013 21:48 etherealfall wrote:
On May 20 2013 21:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 20 2013 21:44 etherealfall wrote: Horrendous game? Always easier to judge when you're not the one executing it. That was incredible multitasking by both. GG.
I especially liked the part when Baby was multitasking his medivac over the mineral line for 20 seconds.
I guess you can do better
That's a terrible argument since I don't get paid to play the game. Whether or not I can do better is completely irrelevant.
this is not an argument, this is a simple way of saying "your opinion is too thin"
When you guys are content with two ace players comittting dozens of micro errors in a 2 base vs 2 base situation, good for you. I want to see better than that (and we often do, too).
Games where both players are simultaneously harrassing are really rare. Errors will happen to literally any player in that situation, it becomes scrappy and can still be entertaining if you realise how taxing the situation is.
On May 20 2013 21:44 etherealfall wrote: Horrendous game? Always easier to judge when you're not the one executing it. That was incredible multitasking by both. GG.
I especially liked the part when Baby was multitasking his medivac over the mineral line for 20 seconds.
oh come on, as if you were Parting or smth.
On May 20 2013 21:48 etherealfall wrote:
On May 20 2013 21:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 20 2013 21:44 etherealfall wrote: Horrendous game? Always easier to judge when you're not the one executing it. That was incredible multitasking by both. GG.
I especially liked the part when Baby was multitasking his medivac over the mineral line for 20 seconds.
I guess you can do better
That's a terrible argument since I don't get paid to play the game. Whether or not I can do better is completely irrelevant.
this is not an argument, this is a simple way of saying "your opinion is too thin"
Judging by what? I've seen better from both players. I have something to compare it to. Compared to that, Baby parking his full medivac on top of Flash's mineral line for 20 seconds was far from impressive. I don't need to be better than them at the game to realize that.
Focusing on 1 mistake rather than everything that was great about that game must make for an enjoyable spectating experience.
The game overall was cool. I just pointed out something that they could've done better and people were angry at me because I dared to criticize Kespa.
On May 20 2013 21:44 etherealfall wrote: Horrendous game? Always easier to judge when you're not the one executing it. That was incredible multitasking by both. GG.
I especially liked the part when Baby was multitasking his medivac over the mineral line for 20 seconds.
oh come on, as if you were Parting or smth.
On May 20 2013 21:48 etherealfall wrote:
On May 20 2013 21:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 20 2013 21:44 etherealfall wrote: Horrendous game? Always easier to judge when you're not the one executing it. That was incredible multitasking by both. GG.
I especially liked the part when Baby was multitasking his medivac over the mineral line for 20 seconds.
I guess you can do better
That's a terrible argument since I don't get paid to play the game. Whether or not I can do better is completely irrelevant.
this is not an argument, this is a simple way of saying "your opinion is too thin"
Judging by what? I've seen better from both players. I have something to compare it to. Compared to that, Baby parking his full medivac on top of Flash's mineral line for 20 seconds was far from impressive. I don't need to be better than them at the game to realize that.
Focusing on 1 mistake rather than everything that was great about that game must make for an enjoyable spectating experience.
On May 20 2013 21:44 etherealfall wrote: Horrendous game? Always easier to judge when you're not the one executing it. That was incredible multitasking by both. GG.
I especially liked the part when Baby was multitasking his medivac over the mineral line for 20 seconds.
oh come on, as if you were Parting or smth.
On May 20 2013 21:48 etherealfall wrote:
On May 20 2013 21:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 20 2013 21:44 etherealfall wrote: Horrendous game? Always easier to judge when you're not the one executing it. That was incredible multitasking by both. GG.
I especially liked the part when Baby was multitasking his medivac over the mineral line for 20 seconds.
I guess you can do better
That's a terrible argument since I don't get paid to play the game. Whether or not I can do better is completely irrelevant.
this is not an argument, this is a simple way of saying "your opinion is too thin"
When you guys are content with two ace players comittting dozens of micro errors in a 2 base vs 2 base situation, good for you. I want to see better than that (and we often do, too).
Games where both players are simultaneously harrassing are really rare. Errors will happen to literally any player in that situation, it becomes scrappy and can still be entertaining if you realise how taxing the situation is.
You guys must really be bored in the LR. How about posting Bisu pictures or something.
On May 20 2013 21:44 etherealfall wrote: Horrendous game? Always easier to judge when you're not the one executing it. That was incredible multitasking by both. GG.
I especially liked the part when Baby was multitasking his medivac over the mineral line for 20 seconds.
oh come on, as if you were Parting or smth.
On May 20 2013 21:48 etherealfall wrote:
On May 20 2013 21:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 20 2013 21:44 etherealfall wrote: Horrendous game? Always easier to judge when you're not the one executing it. That was incredible multitasking by both. GG.
I especially liked the part when Baby was multitasking his medivac over the mineral line for 20 seconds.
I guess you can do better
That's a terrible argument since I don't get paid to play the game. Whether or not I can do better is completely irrelevant.
this is not an argument, this is a simple way of saying "your opinion is too thin"
Judging by what? I've seen better from both players. I have something to compare it to. Compared to that, Baby parking his full medivac on top of Flash's mineral line for 20 seconds was far from impressive. I don't need to be better than them at the game to realize that.
Focusing on 1 mistake rather than everything that was great about that game must make for an enjoyable spectating experience.
On May 20 2013 21:59 ACrow wrote:
On May 20 2013 21:53 letian wrote:
On May 20 2013 21:50 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 20 2013 21:47 letian wrote:
On May 20 2013 21:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 20 2013 21:44 etherealfall wrote: Horrendous game? Always easier to judge when you're not the one executing it. That was incredible multitasking by both. GG.
I especially liked the part when Baby was multitasking his medivac over the mineral line for 20 seconds.
oh come on, as if you were Parting or smth.
On May 20 2013 21:48 etherealfall wrote:
On May 20 2013 21:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 20 2013 21:44 etherealfall wrote: Horrendous game? Always easier to judge when you're not the one executing it. That was incredible multitasking by both. GG.
I especially liked the part when Baby was multitasking his medivac over the mineral line for 20 seconds.
I guess you can do better
That's a terrible argument since I don't get paid to play the game. Whether or not I can do better is completely irrelevant.
this is not an argument, this is a simple way of saying "your opinion is too thin"
When you guys are content with two ace players comittting dozens of micro errors in a 2 base vs 2 base situation, good for you. I want to see better than that (and we often do, too).
Games where both players are simultaneously harrassing are really rare. Errors will happen to literally any player in that situation, it becomes scrappy and can still be entertaining if you realise how taxing the situation is.
You guys must really be bored in the LR. How about posting Bisu pictures or something.
On May 20 2013 21:44 etherealfall wrote: Horrendous game? Always easier to judge when you're not the one executing it. That was incredible multitasking by both. GG.
I especially liked the part when Baby was multitasking his medivac over the mineral line for 20 seconds.
oh come on, as if you were Parting or smth.
On May 20 2013 21:48 etherealfall wrote:
On May 20 2013 21:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 20 2013 21:44 etherealfall wrote: Horrendous game? Always easier to judge when you're not the one executing it. That was incredible multitasking by both. GG.
I especially liked the part when Baby was multitasking his medivac over the mineral line for 20 seconds.
I guess you can do better
That's a terrible argument since I don't get paid to play the game. Whether or not I can do better is completely irrelevant.
this is not an argument, this is a simple way of saying "your opinion is too thin"
Judging by what? I've seen better from both players. I have something to compare it to. Compared to that, Baby parking his full medivac on top of Flash's mineral line for 20 seconds was far from impressive. I don't need to be better than them at the game to realize that.
Focusing on 1 mistake rather than everything that was great about that game must make for an enjoyable spectating experience.
The game overall was cool. I just pointed out something that they could've done better and people were angry at me because I dared to criticize Kespa.
On May 20 2013 22:04 crashonly wrote: >.< He looked so bummed out.
He just wasn't looking at his army for 2 seconds and he's lost
He forcefielded, so he had to know he was engaging. If he looked away from that fight at all then.. lol. He lost because it was a bad move out, and Flash micro'd really well there.
I really feel for Jaehoon there. He'd have been in really good shape if that hadn't happened. I guess all of us have these moments. You go "HHHHNNNNNRRGRRGGGGGG" and lose everything.
On May 20 2013 22:03 DarkLordOlli wrote: Alright, is it ok to criticize that?
You can criticize anything you like, really. Just like others are allowed to disagree with your critiques and be impressed by Flash's & Ty's multitasking.
On May 20 2013 21:44 etherealfall wrote: Horrendous game? Always easier to judge when you're not the one executing it. That was incredible multitasking by both. GG.
I especially liked the part when Baby was multitasking his medivac over the mineral line for 20 seconds.
oh come on, as if you were Parting or smth.
On May 20 2013 21:48 etherealfall wrote:
On May 20 2013 21:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 20 2013 21:44 etherealfall wrote: Horrendous game? Always easier to judge when you're not the one executing it. That was incredible multitasking by both. GG.
I especially liked the part when Baby was multitasking his medivac over the mineral line for 20 seconds.
I guess you can do better
That's a terrible argument since I don't get paid to play the game. Whether or not I can do better is completely irrelevant.
this is not an argument, this is a simple way of saying "your opinion is too thin"
Judging by what? I've seen better from both players. I have something to compare it to. Compared to that, Baby parking his full medivac on top of Flash's mineral line for 20 seconds was far from impressive. I don't need to be better than them at the game to realize that.
Focusing on 1 mistake rather than everything that was great about that game must make for an enjoyable spectating experience.
The game overall was cool. I just pointed out something that they could've done better and people were angry at me because I dared to criticize Kespa.
On May 20 2013 21:44 etherealfall wrote: Horrendous game? Always easier to judge when you're not the one executing it. That was incredible multitasking by both. GG.
I especially liked the part when Baby was multitasking his medivac over the mineral line for 20 seconds.
oh come on, as if you were Parting or smth.
On May 20 2013 21:48 etherealfall wrote:
On May 20 2013 21:44 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 20 2013 21:44 etherealfall wrote: Horrendous game? Always easier to judge when you're not the one executing it. That was incredible multitasking by both. GG.
I especially liked the part when Baby was multitasking his medivac over the mineral line for 20 seconds.
I guess you can do better
That's a terrible argument since I don't get paid to play the game. Whether or not I can do better is completely irrelevant.
this is not an argument, this is a simple way of saying "your opinion is too thin"
Judging by what? I've seen better from both players. I have something to compare it to. Compared to that, Baby parking his full medivac on top of Flash's mineral line for 20 seconds was far from impressive. I don't need to be better than them at the game to realize that.
Focusing on 1 mistake rather than everything that was great about that game must make for an enjoyable spectating experience.
The game overall was cool. I just pointed out something that they could've done better and people were angry at me because I dared to criticize Kespa.
On May 20 2013 22:04 crashonly wrote: >.< He looked so bummed out.
He just wasn't looking at his army for 2 seconds and he's lost
It was a calculated decision by him to do that, I guess he didn't expect those few extra re-enforcements to show up and flash's crazy splitting. I was actually on his side and thought flash was definitely going to have to pick up those marines and boost away until after the engagement lol.
On May 20 2013 22:04 crashonly wrote: >.< He looked so bummed out.
He just wasn't looking at his army for 2 seconds and he's lost
It was a calculated decision by him to do that, I guess he didn't expect those few extra re-enforcements to show up and flash's crazy splitting. I was actually on his side and thought flash was definitely going to have to pick up those marines and boost away until after the engagement lol.
With 1 Colossus and few Zealots I was sure that Flash will take the fight with some splitting.
On May 20 2013 22:16 Scarecrow wrote: KT is gonna be screwed once PL goes back to regular format. Wooki + Flash isn't gonna cut it.
That's the reason I'd rather see Samsung Khan than them in the playoffs. They are a more well rounded team overall, I think, though no Flash would be a loss, ofc.
I think I have to compliment Whiplash and Supernovamaniac for the way they handled the last game. I really hate it when casters call the game finished before a player leaves but casting it as if the game was even is equally bad. The way SNM and Whiplash were casting, saying that Cure as a huge disadvantage and talking about possible comeback scenarios is (in my opinion) the best way to cast a game in this situation and other casters should do it as well
On May 20 2013 22:38 Yello wrote: I think I have to compliment Whiplash and Supernovamaniac for the way they handled the last game. I really hate it when casters call the game finished before a player leaves but casting it as if the game was even is equally bad. The way SNM and Whiplash were casting, saying that Cure as a huge disadvantage and talking about possible comeback scenarios is (in my opinion) the best way to cast a game in this situation and other casters should do it as well
As I have been vocal on the mistakes WSNM made today, I'll chime in too. That was textbook casting in terms of making the best of a game where one player made terrible mistakes.
On May 20 2013 23:01 Ryps wrote: Zest and Flash carrying the whole team again. KT depending on Flash to get the win like the good old days.
And then KT Zergs will carry in the playoffs.
playoff Hoejja is imba
I love Hoejja. Goes like 0-6 in regular season and then 6-0 in the playoffs. That's the true Captain of the team, he's there when you need him, beating players above his level to save the team. And he's always so cheerful lol.
On May 20 2013 22:41 BisuDagger wrote: [quote] I already updated FPL for ya
Much appreciated haha :D
You know how much it sucks to have baby on my FPL and lose like 10 ranks. How the hell does that happen!
Because God hates those with Bisu in their name
That's cause God got his ass whooped in the last true BW PL by Bisu.
FlaSh: > beats everyone > loses to Bisu > gets back up and beats everyone again
Bisu: > loses a lot (even on Protoss-sided maps) > beats FlaSh > loses almost every game after that
Bisu didn't lose his last Brood War game..... Ok I'll admit even that one stings as an antifan.
What's worse, losing in BW or losing in SC2?
Losing in Brood War lol. You know i'm a bw4lifer. Bisu still has sick BvZ winrate in sc2. And killing zerg is all that matters haha.
Wha...? You do realize that Toss in SC2 plays like Terran in BW right? (massing up AOE into a deathball)
You do realize that brood war games actually mean something to me right? Versus sc2 where I'm just here showing support for my team. Hence why I pour effort into Brood War on a daily bases for those who still follow the scene. This has nothing to do with how the races play.
But discussing the races if you want to go there, saying Toss plays like Terran from BW only enforces an argument why Bisu would be worse in sc2. He was always lost his special matches playing as terran throughout the years.
On May 21 2013 01:17 tozi wrote: I'm sorry, Bisu will never win the starcraft bw + sc2 Flash vs Bisu debate. Flash > Bisu in BW Flash > Bisu in SC2
Bisu may have taken some games against Flash but Flash was overall more successful
The only way to win the argument is to go down the rabbit hole of what would have happened if Flash played protoss. Bisu is the most accomplished protoss player from Brood War in many ways the individual tournament wins. And he has many records still the Flash doesn't own.
But I digress, this is not a Flash > Bisu debate. The most merits go to Flash. This a a fanboy war so disgard all logic as I throw painful Flash tears in your face!
On May 21 2013 01:17 tozi wrote: I'm sorry, Bisu will never win the starcraft bw + sc2 Flash vs Bisu debate. Flash > Bisu in BW Flash > Bisu in SC2
Bisu may have taken some games against Flash but Flash was overall more successful
The only way to win the argument is to go down the rabbit hole of what would have happened if Flash played protoss. Bisu is the most accomplished protoss player from Brood War in many ways the individual tournament wins. And he has many records still the Flash doesn't own.
But I digress, this is not a Flash > Bisu debate. The most merits go to Flash. This a a fanboy war so disgard all logic as I throw painful Flash tears in your face!
Hehe let me close with this song:
On July 26 2011 16:14 _romantic wrote: To the tune of Baby, by Justin Bieber.
You're so damn sexy, with your corsairs. Just say whenever, you've got great hair. Your DTs I love, your play is art. and we will never ever ever be apart. Have you made it? girl quit playing, Can't get past prelims, what are you saying. Said it was a zerg, looked right in my eyes, The girltoss broke my heart for the Nth time. And I was like… [Chorus] bisu, bisu, bisu oooooh, like bisu, bisu, bisu noooooooo, like bisu, bisu, bisu, ooooh. Thought this might be the time (repeat) [Justin Beiber] Flash's good, I wasn't all that mad, But losing to hyvaa is just plain sad and I wanna play it cool, the thought of watching you (in PL) I will do anything, even get a ban on me, and I'm in pieces, bisu fix me and win v z til’ you make it into ODT. I’m going down down down down and I just can't believe this OSL you ain't around. And I’m like… [Chorus] bisu, bisu, bisu oooooh, like bisu, bisu, bisu noooooooo, like bisu, bisu, bisu, ooooh. Thought this might be the time (repeat) [Ludacris] Luda, When I was 13 I had my first love, there was nobody that compared to Yongtaek and nobody came between us, no-one could ever come above He had me going crazy, oh I was star-struck, He woke me up daily, don’t need no Starbucks. He made my heart pound, I skip a beat when I see him in a game and schooling noobs on the proleague but I really wanna see her in a SL. He knows he got me dazing cause he was so amazing and now my heart is breaking but I just keep on saying…. [Chorus] bisu, bisu, bisu oooooh, like bisu, bisu, bisu noooooooo, like bisu, bisu, bisu, ooooh. Thought this might be the time (repeat) Now I’m gone, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, now I’m all gone. Gone, gone, gone, gone, I’m gone.
Id like to also chime in on the casters. The last game was indeed very well casted. Maybe cause you were just tired already and more relaxed, but it was smooth and you kept the game interesting. Do that more often and the haters will fade
On May 21 2013 01:17 tozi wrote: I'm sorry, Bisu will never win the starcraft bw + sc2 Flash vs Bisu debate. Flash > Bisu in BW Flash > Bisu in SC2
Bisu may have taken some games against Flash but Flash was overall more successful
The only way to win the argument is to go down the rabbit hole of what would have happened if Flash played protoss. Bisu is the most accomplished protoss player from Brood War in many ways the individual tournament wins. And he has many records still the Flash doesn't own.
But I digress, this is not a Flash > Bisu debate. The most merits go to Flash. This a a fanboy war so disgard all logic as I throw painful Flash tears in your face!
Eh, I'm an BW fan too, but am a starcraft fan first and foremost. I love Flash because he is the epitome of a RTS genius. He has the most success of any BW player in SC2 and even though its impossible to say/argue, I doubt any of the best SC2 players would have great success if playing in the BW age (Bogus).
On May 21 2013 01:17 tozi wrote: I'm sorry, Bisu will never win the starcraft bw + sc2 Flash vs Bisu debate. Flash > Bisu in BW Flash > Bisu in SC2
Bisu may have taken some games against Flash but Flash was overall more successful
The only way to win the argument is to go down the rabbit hole of what would have happened if Flash played protoss. Bisu is the most accomplished protoss player from Brood War in many ways the individual tournament wins. And he has many records still the Flash doesn't own.
But I digress, this is not a Flash > Bisu debate. The most merits go to Flash. This a a fanboy war so disgard all logic as I throw painful Flash tears in your face!
Eh, I'm an BW fan too, but am a starcraft fan first and foremost. I love Flash because he is the epitome of a RTS genius. He has the most success of any BW player in SC2 and even though its impossible to say/argue, I doubt any of the best SC2 players would have great success if playing in the BW age (Bogus).
I thought Roro/Rain had the most success of any ex-BW player considering they won a GSL/OSL, even Innovation is above Flash there. And Rain was a rising star for SKT in BW along with Innovation back then.
On May 21 2013 01:17 tozi wrote: I'm sorry, Bisu will never win the starcraft bw + sc2 Flash vs Bisu debate. Flash > Bisu in BW Flash > Bisu in SC2
Bisu may have taken some games against Flash but Flash was overall more successful
The only way to win the argument is to go down the rabbit hole of what would have happened if Flash played protoss. Bisu is the most accomplished protoss player from Brood War in many ways the individual tournament wins. And he has many records still the Flash doesn't own.
But I digress, this is not a Flash > Bisu debate. The most merits go to Flash. This a a fanboy war so disgard all logic as I throw painful Flash tears in your face!
Eh, I'm an BW fan too, but am a starcraft fan first and foremost. I love Flash because he is the epitome of a RTS genius. He has the most success of any BW player in SC2 and even though its impossible to say/argue, I doubt any of the best SC2 players would have great success if playing in the BW age (Bogus).
I thought Roro/Rain had the most success of any ex-BW player considering they won a GSL/OSL, even Innovation is above Flash there. And Rain was a rising star for SKT in BW along with Innovation back then.
I also felt that Sun was on a noticeable upswing towards the end, and I'm happy he got to achieve some results more representative of his potential. But SC2 is as SC2 does, and it seems that both him and RorO have fallen off a bit. :/
Bogus is doing great, there's no real question about that.
On May 21 2013 02:17 sitromit wrote: Cure is on a 7 game losing streak. Maybe not the best choice for the ace match.
Problem is they really don't have anyone else. He died off with the HoTs transition which makes me think he lacks the micro+macro intensity boost terran has been given to stay at a high level. Also, T8 has like 3 fans so that doesn't help them.
On May 21 2013 01:17 tozi wrote: I'm sorry, Bisu will never win the starcraft bw + sc2 Flash vs Bisu debate. Flash > Bisu in BW Flash > Bisu in SC2
Bisu may have taken some games against Flash but Flash was overall more successful
The only way to win the argument is to go down the rabbit hole of what would have happened if Flash played protoss. Bisu is the most accomplished protoss player from Brood War in many ways the individual tournament wins. And he has many records still the Flash doesn't own.
But I digress, this is not a Flash > Bisu debate. The most merits go to Flash. This a a fanboy war so disgard all logic as I throw painful Flash tears in your face!
Eh, I'm an BW fan too, but am a starcraft fan first and foremost. I love Flash because he is the epitome of a RTS genius. He has the most success of any BW player in SC2 and even though its impossible to say/argue, I doubt any of the best SC2 players would have great success if playing in the BW age (Bogus).
I thought Roro/Rain had the most success of any ex-BW player considering they won a GSL/OSL, even Innovation is above Flash there. And Rain was a rising star for SKT in BW along with Innovation back then.
Firstly, why is Innovation above Flash? Flash > Innovation in Proleague and MLG. If Innovation wins GSL, it'll be a different story.
Also, I misworded my statement. I meant to say most combined success in SCBW + SC2. He is already the goddamn second best terran in the world. lol.
On May 21 2013 01:17 tozi wrote: I'm sorry, Bisu will never win the starcraft bw + sc2 Flash vs Bisu debate. Flash > Bisu in BW Flash > Bisu in SC2
Bisu may have taken some games against Flash but Flash was overall more successful
The only way to win the argument is to go down the rabbit hole of what would have happened if Flash played protoss. Bisu is the most accomplished protoss player from Brood War in many ways the individual tournament wins. And he has many records still the Flash doesn't own.
But I digress, this is not a Flash > Bisu debate. The most merits go to Flash. This a a fanboy war so disgard all logic as I throw painful Flash tears in your face!
Eh, I'm an BW fan too, but am a starcraft fan first and foremost. I love Flash because he is the epitome of a RTS genius. He has the most success of any BW player in SC2 and even though its impossible to say/argue, I doubt any of the best SC2 players would have great success if playing in the BW age (Bogus).
I thought Roro/Rain had the most success of any ex-BW player considering they won a GSL/OSL, even Innovation is above Flash there. And Rain was a rising star for SKT in BW along with Innovation back then.
Firstly, why is Innovation above Flash? Flash > Innovation in Proleague and MLG. If Innovation wins GSL, it'll be a different story.
Also, I misworded my statement. I meant to say most combined success in SCBW + SC2. He is already the goddamn second best terran in the world. lol.
Innovation has ro4 finished in the GSL tournament, twice iirc. Where is Flash in the worlds highest rate tourney? Also Innovation just got a golden AK.
I feel bad for Bisu that he 'has to' play SC2 Protoss, a race that hardly ever looks spectacular. I'm pretty sure he'd shine more if he had switched to Terran. Also he still is dashingly handsome.
On May 21 2013 01:17 tozi wrote: I'm sorry, Bisu will never win the starcraft bw + sc2 Flash vs Bisu debate. Flash > Bisu in BW Flash > Bisu in SC2
Bisu may have taken some games against Flash but Flash was overall more successful
The only way to win the argument is to go down the rabbit hole of what would have happened if Flash played protoss. Bisu is the most accomplished protoss player from Brood War in many ways the individual tournament wins. And he has many records still the Flash doesn't own.
But I digress, this is not a Flash > Bisu debate. The most merits go to Flash. This a a fanboy war so disgard all logic as I throw painful Flash tears in your face!
Eh, I'm an BW fan too, but am a starcraft fan first and foremost. I love Flash because he is the epitome of a RTS genius. He has the most success of any BW player in SC2 and even though its impossible to say/argue, I doubt any of the best SC2 players would have great success if playing in the BW age (Bogus).
I thought Roro/Rain had the most success of any ex-BW player considering they won a GSL/OSL, even Innovation is above Flash there. And Rain was a rising star for SKT in BW along with Innovation back then.
Firstly, why is Innovation above Flash? Flash > Innovation in Proleague and MLG. If Innovation wins GSL, it'll be a different story.
Also, I misworded my statement. I meant to say most combined success in SCBW + SC2. He is already the goddamn second best terran in the world. lol.
Innovation has ro4 finished in the GSL tournament, twice iirc. Where is Flash in the worlds highest rate tourney? Also Innovation just got a golden AK.
I think he also has one more RO finish for three? maybe I'm wrong though lol. In SCII, Innovation > Flash based on results(GSL weighed heavier than MLG) but in BW, Flash >>> Bogus based on results and everything in between lol. Also, no point in comparing Bisu to Flash. Maybe in BW, a comparison was possible but in SCII, Flash is one of the better players while Bisu is only starting to play better recently
Edit: Never realized just how good TY is getting at SCII. I remember when they first switched and he was on some 6 game losing streak or something like that. It was hard to believe that someone as good as he was in BW was doing poorly in SCII but ya, great to see him doing well. That game against Flash though, was crazy and it shows in the interview lol. Nice to see Flash get an all kill so maybe he can go back to his BW status as 'the' player to beat
On May 21 2013 01:17 tozi wrote: I'm sorry, Bisu will never win the starcraft bw + sc2 Flash vs Bisu debate. Flash > Bisu in BW Flash > Bisu in SC2
Bisu may have taken some games against Flash but Flash was overall more successful
The only way to win the argument is to go down the rabbit hole of what would have happened if Flash played protoss. Bisu is the most accomplished protoss player from Brood War in many ways the individual tournament wins. And he has many records still the Flash doesn't own.
But I digress, this is not a Flash > Bisu debate. The most merits go to Flash. This a a fanboy war so disgard all logic as I throw painful Flash tears in your face!
Eh, I'm an BW fan too, but am a starcraft fan first and foremost. I love Flash because he is the epitome of a RTS genius. He has the most success of any BW player in SC2 and even though its impossible to say/argue, I doubt any of the best SC2 players would have great success if playing in the BW age (Bogus).
I thought Roro/Rain had the most success of any ex-BW player considering they won a GSL/OSL, even Innovation is above Flash there. And Rain was a rising star for SKT in BW along with Innovation back then.
Firstly, why is Innovation above Flash? Flash > Innovation in Proleague and MLG. If Innovation wins GSL, it'll be a different story.
Also, I misworded my statement. I meant to say most combined success in SCBW + SC2. He is already the goddamn second best terran in the world. lol.
Innovation has ro4 finished in the GSL tournament, twice iirc. Where is Flash in the worlds highest rate tourney? Also Innovation just got a golden AK.
I think he also has one more RO finish for three? maybe I'm wrong though lol. In SCII, Innovation > Flash based on results(GSL weighed heavier than MLG) but in BW, Flash >>> Bogus based on results and everything in between lol. Also, no point in comparing Bisu to Flash. Maybe in BW, a comparison was possible but in SCII, Flash is one of the better players while Bisu is only starting to play better recently
Edit: Never realized just how good TY is getting at SCII. I remember when they first switched and he was on some 6 game losing streak or something like that. It was hard to believe that someone as good as he was in BW was doing poorly in SCII but ya, great to see him doing well. That game against Flash though, was crazy and it shows in the interview lol. Nice to see Flash get an all kill so maybe he can go back to his BW status as 'the' player to beat
I think TY showed promise in the beginning like he did when he joined BW but a lot of it is unfilled potential. ;/
On May 21 2013 04:02 DustbinBieber wrote: I feel bad for Bisu that he 'has to' play SC2 Protoss, a race that hardly ever looks spectacular. I'm pretty sure he'd shine more if he had switched to Terran. Also he still is dashingly handsome.
Agreed. I've been screaming for Bisu to play SC2 Terran and Flash to play SC2 Protoss since the WoL beta, lol
On May 21 2013 04:02 DustbinBieber wrote: I feel bad for Bisu that he 'has to' play SC2 Protoss, a race that hardly ever looks spectacular. I'm pretty sure he'd shine more if he had switched to Terran. Also he still is dashingly handsome.
Not necessary true that he will be any better playing terran in SC2 according to popular believe. Terran in BW doesn't exactly playl ike Protoss in SC2 too. It depends entirely on MU. Atleast TvT and TvZ is pretty similar to what it was in BW. Protoss in SC2 doesn't really play like Terran in BW that much too. Only PvT that look remotely similar right now just because Protoss has to defend drops and shits a lot and that's it. Rain was quite good as Protoss in BW and his skill translated just fine. It's acceptable for me to tell you guys that maybe Bisu is just not that good anymore compare to many rising stars?
On May 21 2013 04:02 DustbinBieber wrote: I feel bad for Bisu that he 'has to' play SC2 Protoss, a race that hardly ever looks spectacular. I'm pretty sure he'd shine more if he had switched to Terran. Also he still is dashingly handsome.
Not necessary true that he will be any better playing terran in SC2 according to popular believe. Terran in BW doesn't exactly playl ike Protoss in SC2 too. It depends entirely on MU. Atleast TvT and TvZ is pretty similar to what it was in BW. Protoss in SC2 doesn't really play like Terran in BW that much too. Only PvT that look remotely similar right now just because Protoss has to defend drops and shits a lot and that's it. Rain was quite good as Protoss in BW and his skill translated just fine. It's acceptable for me to tell you guys that maybe Bisu is just not that good anymore compare to many rising stars?
I think it has more to do with his exceptional multitasking fitting well with the way that SC2 terran plays.
On May 21 2013 04:02 DustbinBieber wrote: I feel bad for Bisu that he 'has to' play SC2 Protoss, a race that hardly ever looks spectacular. I'm pretty sure he'd shine more if he had switched to Terran. Also he still is dashingly handsome.
Not necessary true that he will be any better playing terran in SC2 according to popular believe. Terran in BW doesn't exactly playl ike Protoss in SC2 too. It depends entirely on MU. Atleast TvT and TvZ is pretty similar to what it was in BW. Protoss in SC2 doesn't really play like Terran in BW that much too. Only PvT that look remotely similar right now just because Protoss has to defend drops and shits a lot and that's it. Rain was quite good as Protoss in BW and his skill translated just fine. It's acceptable for me to tell you guys that maybe Bisu is just not that good anymore compare to many rising stars?
It's already been said by his teammates that his Terran is amazing. Just not TvT, if I'm remembering correctly.
Flash is starting to look really strong in SC2 now, it's a shame he dropped out of Code S so early. That God sense during the last game absolutely destroying the banshee harass showed some glimpse of BW Flash.
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