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Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2634 Posts
May 20 2013 15:29 GMT
#821
Can anyone make a gif of Jangbi's scouting block against Jaedong's lings?
Jangbi favorite player. Forever~ CJ herO the King of IEM. BOMBERRRRRRRR. Sexy Boy Rogue. soO #1! Oliveira China Represent!
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
May 20 2013 15:55 GMT
#822
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19386 Posts
May 20 2013 15:56 GMT
#823
On May 20 2013 22:58 Conut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2013 20:31 Highways wrote:
Zerg's getting raped hard in ZvP.

40% win rate in proleague
30% win rate in GSTL


back to the start of sc2

Their winrate is higher then the likelihood of actually seeing a zerg get played in PL.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
May 20 2013 15:57 GMT
#824
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19386 Posts
May 20 2013 15:59 GMT
#825
On May 21 2013 00:57 Emzeeshady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 00:56 BisuDagger wrote:
On May 20 2013 22:58 Conut wrote:
On May 20 2013 20:31 Highways wrote:
Zerg's getting raped hard in ZvP.

40% win rate in proleague
30% win rate in GSTL


back to the start of sc2

Their winrate is higher then the likelihood of actually seeing a zerg get played in PL.

I wonder if it is the maps, imbalance or Kespa Zergs being bad. Maybe a combination?

IDK, but Roro is suddenly garbage and JD is like the only zerg getting wins. Even Soulkey losing games. PL coaches have it in their head protoss is the #1 option. And then there are two teams with an ace Terran so they don't need anything else.
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Diaresta
Profile Joined February 2012
United States597 Posts
May 20 2013 16:01 GMT
#826
Let's go, HerO <3
@Diaresta Huk//Jaedong//Taeja ★EGTL★ ♥Stephano♥ | "Agent 3154, welcome back."
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-20 16:15:38
May 20 2013 16:14 GMT
#827
It might just be that WoL made zergs seem way better than they actually were. And I think the really good ones are shining now, for example Soulkey and Life who are still bossing it up.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
May 20 2013 16:30 GMT
#828
Or new builds have arrived on the scene. The swing is short-term so anything can change still.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
May 20 2013 16:33 GMT
#829
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-20 16:36:32
May 20 2013 16:36 GMT
#830
On May 21 2013 01:33 Emzeeshady wrote:
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On May 21 2013 01:14 DarkLordOlli wrote:
It might just be that WoL made zergs seem way better than they actually were. And I think the really good ones are shining now, for example Soulkey and Life who are still bossing it up.

Regardless of perception of skill the Zergs are struggling right now. I guess your theory is that they are just worse?


Well I think that most zergs were getting better results in WoL than they should have. I also think that zerg still needs to figure out its place in the HotS metagame whereas terran and protoss seem to have found theirs a little faster. Which isn't surprising, it was the same in WoL.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Holdenintherye
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada1441 Posts
May 20 2013 16:38 GMT
#831
EGTL? More like Hero+everyone else
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37117 Posts
May 20 2013 16:54 GMT
#832
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=413562

Interview is up!
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
May 20 2013 17:04 GMT
#833
HerO broke JangBi's 2-win streak.

Scoring:

EG-TL +3

Jaedong +3
JangBi +4
HerO +9

all other EG-TL players +1
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Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
May 20 2013 17:08 GMT
#834
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-20 17:19:08
May 20 2013 17:18 GMT
#835
Well for example zergs have actually figured out how to beat the protoss deathball to a point where a lot of zergs and protosses actually say that ZvP lategame is zerg favored again.
I think there's tons of potential in zerg but sometimes a race needs someone like Stephano in WoL who really showed new effective ways to play the game.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-20 17:25:25
May 20 2013 17:23 GMT
#836
I think being OP makes players of that race lazy and stop exploring options. Zergs need some more time to try things before concluding they're now UP.

And I'd rate SH/hydra/corrupter/viper deathball as scarier than Toss templar/air one.
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
May 20 2013 17:24 GMT
#837
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
May 20 2013 17:35 GMT
#838
i just saw, coach park tried to snipe a protoss with oz? :D
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
May 20 2013 17:51 GMT
#839
On May 21 2013 02:18 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Well for example zergs have actually figured out how to beat the protoss deathball to a point where a lot of zergs and protosses actually say that ZvP lategame is zerg favored again.
I think there's tons of potential in zerg but sometimes a race needs someone like Stephano in WoL who really showed new effective ways to play the game.

"Figuring out how to beat the protoss deathball" is only relevant when Protoss only sit back and make a deathball. The game is largely about taking advantages and capitalizing on them, and the Mothership Core now allows for very early greed as well as harassment without fear of an all-in counter, meaning ZvP is a lot less about end-game deathballs and a lot more about constant harassment/aggression and constant defence through all phases of the game.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-20 17:54:15
May 20 2013 17:52 GMT
#840
On May 21 2013 02:51 WolfintheSheep wrote:
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On May 21 2013 02:18 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Well for example zergs have actually figured out how to beat the protoss deathball to a point where a lot of zergs and protosses actually say that ZvP lategame is zerg favored again.
I think there's tons of potential in zerg but sometimes a race needs someone like Stephano in WoL who really showed new effective ways to play the game.

"Figuring out how to beat the protoss deathball" is only relevant when Protoss only sit back and make a deathball. The game is largely about taking advantages and capitalizing on them, and the Mothership Core now allows for very early greed as well as harassment without fear of an all-in counter, meaning ZvP is a lot less about end-game deathballs and a lot more about constant harassment/aggression and constant defence through all phases of the game.


I don't see how this is relevant but umm... yeah, I know. What I meant was that zergs at the beginning of HotS were complaining that the ultimate protoss army can't be beaten. A few weeks later it's actually the other way around.
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