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sage_francis
Profile Joined December 2006
France1823 Posts
May 14 2013 18:22 GMT
#1161
pls stop with these regions war. this is beyond stupid...
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27320 Posts
May 14 2013 18:22 GMT
#1162
On May 15 2013 03:20 Bowzar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 03:16 FakeDeath wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:14 DJHelium wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:13 Saat wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:03 Azarkon wrote:
I think these games just show that the Korean training regimen is everything when it comes to producing the skill you see in Kespa and high-tier ESF. MMA and ForGG left their team houses for Western teams and look where they are now.


Actually I'm note sure. Most of occidentals who went in Korea didn't come back in Europe / NA better than they were before (ToD, Morrow, Stephano, Thorzain, Huk, Major, HappyZerg).

I think it is really in the head.


Yeah, look at Violet who went from mediocre player on MVP to becoming a BEAST after moving to US, training with CSN.


Violet is one of the few exceptions.

Look at Polt.
As much as it pains me, Polt doesn't have the same kind of dominance after he moved to the US.

Korean training regime is still the best.

Polt is a semi-pro right now. We shouldnt expect that much out of him.

He's still playing at a pretty high level regardless, Polt's a boss
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-14 18:23:37
May 14 2013 18:22 GMT
#1163
On May 15 2013 03:18 pms wrote:
Two questions:
1. Why there is no sound-proof cabins? How the organizers assure, that the players don't hear the audience?
2. Why the room for audience is so small? Is the popular interest really so low and it won't get filled up if it was bigger? I have my doubts. What city do they play in?

The audience is small because its in Cologne and this stuff is broadcaster almost every day of the week, you can't really expect people from far away to travel there just to watch the RO16. It's just the local fans cheering.
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
May 14 2013 18:22 GMT
#1164
On May 15 2013 03:20 Scholes wrote:
Just tuned in, strelok 2-0 mma?? wtf??

Convincingly
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
May 14 2013 18:22 GMT
#1165
Man, this thread is so crap and were barely halfway
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Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
May 14 2013 18:23 GMT
#1166
On May 15 2013 03:17 Mouzone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 03:15 IshinShishi wrote:
how far the mighty have fallen.


Both MMA and ForGG have at some point in SC2 history been regarded as almost unbeatable. I remember the splash ForGG made when he had just entered the scene and people were in awe over his micro and builds.


Tbh. ForGG´s invincibility was mostly hyped(OSL(or was it MSL?) champion switching over, looking good in his first few games), as soon as he got into code S, people saw, that he was indeed very mortal. AT the start of their GSL-careers, players like Sage/Hyun or Brown(!) were considered the next big thing, but in reality noone was as strong as the majority believed.
heartagram
Profile Joined May 2013
178 Posts
May 14 2013 18:23 GMT
#1167
On May 15 2013 03:22 SCST wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 03:20 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:19 Derez wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:17 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:16 Dosey wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:11 CoR wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:09 wangstra wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:06 AgentW wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:06 heartagram wrote:
Are you guys really this proud of beating Code B Koreans? O_o Settle down now, sheesh

Aahhhh so MMA's bad now? You are truly desperate.



I know we don't want any excuses for him...but it its true...When has MMA done anything of late, even in WoL?


when has strelok done anything big ? ... its stupid, MMA did play fine last games now strelok crushed him -> strelok is good! not mma bad thats a bullshit review


What?

No one is saying Strelok isn't good, nor are they taking away from his win vs MMA. But those who are saying "FUCK YEAH! EUROPE HOLDS!!! YOU SHALL NOT PASS!!!" are rather foolish considering MMA wouldn't even make a top 25 list for Korean players these days... Hell, he wouldn't even make a top 50 list.


How would this mean Europe didn't hold?

Europe held son. America didn't. Get over it.

Europe is playing worse koreans and less koreans?


Because the Koreans knew that EU is way harder so they avoided it x)


This - I agree. That combined with the latency. And it's being proven on the field today, as even without latency the Koreans are either going to get sweeped or at least a black eye.



http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_MLG_Winter_Championship#Bracket
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
May 14 2013 18:23 GMT
#1168
On May 15 2013 03:21 Frankon wrote:
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On May 15 2013 03:18 Killmouse wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:17 panzercrusher wrote:
Starcraft 2 manual.

Hellbats manual

"100 recipes for a Zerg BBQ"

"Stick em with the flamy end"
Get off my lawn, young punks
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 14 2013 18:23 GMT
#1169
On May 15 2013 03:19 Shellshock1122 wrote:
[WCS EU] Ro16 Group A Premier
[image loading] (Z)TLO vs [image loading] (T)Strelok
Game 1
Map: Star Station

0:00
TLO spawns in the bottom right
Strelok spawns in the top left

1:40
rax first for Strelok

2:00
gas for Strelok
hatch first for TLO
pool for TLO
reaper for Strelok

3:00
CC on the low ground for Strelok
reactor for Strelok
TLO scouts the CC of Strelok

4:00
gas for TLO
factory for Strelok
reaper picks off a drone while scouting

5:00
2nd gas for Strelok
Lair for TLO
3 more gas for TLO
tech lab on the factory for Strelok
bunker for Strelok in the natural
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soon.Cloak
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States983 Posts
May 14 2013 18:23 GMT
#1170
Nydus? :O
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
May 14 2013 18:23 GMT
#1171
On May 15 2013 03:22 Vertitto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 03:19 Corsica wrote:
Starcraft and Deathly Hallows

Strelok's Notebook
Flash Ruler
TLO's Beard

we can add more:
Stephano/Day9's plushie
Kas's gloves from IEM Katowice
IM_MVP's cap


Life's Royal Road Sword
MANFRED!
What about Moonglade's (I think it was his, maybe it was Tgun's) kangaroo that he always brought to the studio during GSTL?
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-14 18:24:22
May 14 2013 18:23 GMT
#1172
On May 15 2013 03:18 pms wrote:
Two questions:
1. Why there is no sound-proof cabins? How the organizers assure, that the players don't hear the audience?
2. Why the room for audience is so small? Is the popular interest really so low and it won't get filled up if it was bigger? I have my doubts. What city do they play in?


1. The headsets they are wearing are completely sound proof. They are actually just sound blockers. Booths would be to big and expensive I guess. They also hold 5on5 games in this studio.

2: They are playing in cologne, I don't know if you could fill a big studio there yet.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
May 14 2013 18:23 GMT
#1173
On May 15 2013 03:22 Vertitto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 03:19 Corsica wrote:
Starcraft and Deathly Hallows

Strelok's Notebook
Flash Ruler
TLO's Beard

we can add more:
Stephano/Day9's plushie
Kas's gloves from IEM Katowice
IM_MVP's cap

MMA's Slayers coach >_>...The MISSING ARTIFACT!
xN.07)MaK
Profile Joined January 2006
Spain1159 Posts
May 14 2013 18:24 GMT
#1174
On May 15 2013 03:19 Derez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 03:17 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:16 Dosey wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:11 CoR wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:09 wangstra wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:06 AgentW wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:06 heartagram wrote:
Are you guys really this proud of beating Code B Koreans? O_o Settle down now, sheesh

Aahhhh so MMA's bad now? You are truly desperate.



I know we don't want any excuses for him...but it its true...When has MMA done anything of late, even in WoL?


when has strelok done anything big ? ... its stupid, MMA did play fine last games now strelok crushed him -> strelok is good! not mma bad thats a bullshit review


What?

No one is saying Strelok isn't good, nor are they taking away from his win vs MMA. But those who are saying "FUCK YEAH! EUROPE HOLDS!!! YOU SHALL NOT PASS!!!" are rather foolish considering MMA wouldn't even make a top 25 list for Korean players these days... Hell, he wouldn't even make a top 50 list.


How would this mean Europe didn't hold?

Europe held son. America didn't. Get over it.

Europe is playing worse koreans and less koreans?


Koreans are not dropped at random in either of the servers. They look and decide what is the best option for them to get the title. So if there are less and worse koreans, it must be for a reason.
El micro es el último recurso que les queda a los que no producen lo suficiente
Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
May 14 2013 18:24 GMT
#1175
On May 15 2013 03:22 sage_francis wrote:
pls stop with these regions war. this is beyond stupid...


that's the point of the WCS though...
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
May 14 2013 18:24 GMT
#1176
On May 15 2013 03:23 heartagram wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 03:22 SCST wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:20 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:19 Derez wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:17 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:16 Dosey wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:11 CoR wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:09 wangstra wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:06 AgentW wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:06 heartagram wrote:
Are you guys really this proud of beating Code B Koreans? O_o Settle down now, sheesh

Aahhhh so MMA's bad now? You are truly desperate.



I know we don't want any excuses for him...but it its true...When has MMA done anything of late, even in WoL?


when has strelok done anything big ? ... its stupid, MMA did play fine last games now strelok crushed him -> strelok is good! not mma bad thats a bullshit review


What?

No one is saying Strelok isn't good, nor are they taking away from his win vs MMA. But those who are saying "FUCK YEAH! EUROPE HOLDS!!! YOU SHALL NOT PASS!!!" are rather foolish considering MMA wouldn't even make a top 25 list for Korean players these days... Hell, he wouldn't even make a top 50 list.


How would this mean Europe didn't hold?

Europe held son. America didn't. Get over it.

Europe is playing worse koreans and less koreans?


Because the Koreans knew that EU is way harder so they avoided it x)


This - I agree. That combined with the latency. And it's being proven on the field today, as even without latency the Koreans are either going to get sweeped or at least a black eye.



http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_MLG_Winter_Championship#Bracket


Code S/A players beating foreigners. What's your point? Everyone expected this
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budar
Profile Joined February 2011
175 Posts
May 14 2013 18:24 GMT
#1177
Really strange people are using this group for the foreigners vs. Koreans debate... These are nowhere near the top Koreans, but more importantly, it's very early days in HotS. You can still win easily with weird strategies that people don't understand in the slightest.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
May 14 2013 18:25 GMT
#1178
Wow, HPM is so low this game, only hitting 100.
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Embir
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland567 Posts
May 14 2013 18:25 GMT
#1179
Live reports threads are so painful to read these days, exclusively thanks to whiners.
mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
May 14 2013 18:25 GMT
#1180
On May 15 2013 03:21 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2013 03:18 heartagram wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:17 LighT. wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:14 heartagram wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:10 Strela wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:06 heartagram wrote:
Are you guys really this proud of beating Code B Koreans? O_o Settle down now, sheesh

lol no matter whether foreigners lose or win against koreans, people will always need to whine.



"OMG FOREIGNERS ARE WHOOPING ON KOREANS IN WCS EU!! The gap is closing!!"


"Oh cool, who did they beat? Innovation? Flash?"


"Nope."


"Life? Roro? Soulkey?"


"Nope."

"Parting? Bomber? Yoda? Gumiho?"

"Nope."

"Dongraegu? Marineking? JJajki? Losira?"

"Nope."


"Then who?"


"MMA and forGG"


"..."

The best of euros have always been able to hang with the mid-tier koreans though...It was true in WoL, it holds true in HoTS.
The foreigners got their butts kicked in MLG because the MLG tournament was basically a tournament with purely the top-tier above-average tier koreans.

Also, what was funnier was calling Euros "Korean slayers" for basically beating two of shuttle/tails/finale and pro7ect (I still dont know who this is :s..)



MMA is not a mid tier korean.


MMA is mid-tiered now.
Don't kid your-self.

Top-tiers are the basically the current Code S players.



He is absolutely low tier atm. I wouldnt expect players like Keen/Bang and a bunch of random code A koreans to play worse than that. Its really cool to see MMA suffer like this though...
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