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[WCS AM] RO32 Group H Premier Season 1 2013
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/OYhsGUT.jpg) Thursday, May 02 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_1_America/Premier TL Preview: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=410260
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/r9ZH0.png) Casters: Axeltoss & Axslav ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/7/7f/Twitch_ico.png) WCS America
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/6wl40.png) ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/3/36/Kr.png)  Alicia vs. ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/6/62/Mx.png)  MakerStarting map: Daybreak ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/2/2f/Us.png) Illusion vs. ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/e/e6/Au.png)  mOOnGLaDeStarting map: Akilon Wastes
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/bv8Kw.png) + Show Spoiler [Spoiler-Free] ++ Show Spoiler [Overall Results] +
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Alicia vs. Maker Game 1
Alicia vs. Maker Game 2
Alicia vs. Maker Game 3
Illusion vs. mOOnGLaDe Game 1
Illusion vs. mOOnGLaDe Game 2
Illusion vs. mOOnGLaDe Game 3
Winners' Match Game 1
Winners' Match Game 2
Winners' Match Game 3
Losers' Match Game 1
Losers' Match Game 2
Losers' Match Game 3
Final Match Game 1
Final Match Game 2
Final Match Game 3
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3wcCS.png) + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler [Alicia vs. Maker] +Poll: Recommend Maker vs Alicia game 1?No (4) 57% Meh (3) 43% Yes (0) 0% 7 total votes Your vote: Recommend Maker vs Alicia game 1? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): Meh
(Vote): No
Poll: Recommend Maker vs Alicia game 2?No (12) 92% Yes (1) 8% Meh (0) 0% 13 total votes Your vote: Recommend Maker vs Alicia game 2? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): Meh
(Vote): No
Poll: Recommend Maker vs Alicia game 3?Yes (7) 70% Meh (2) 20% No (1) 10% 10 total votes Your vote: Recommend Maker vs Alicia game 3? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): Meh
(Vote): No
Poll: Recommend Illusion vs mOOnGLaDe game 1?Yes (5) 45% Meh (4) 36% No (2) 18% 11 total votes Your vote: Recommend Illusion vs mOOnGLaDe game 1? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): Meh
(Vote): No
Poll: Recommend Illusion vs mOOnGLaDe game 2?Yes (12) 86% No (2) 14% Meh (0) 0% 14 total votes Your vote: Recommend Illusion vs mOOnGLaDe game 2? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): Meh
(Vote): No
Poll: Recommend Illusion vs mOOnGLaDe game 3?Yes (13) 87% No (2) 13% Meh (0) 0% 15 total votes Your vote: Recommend Illusion vs mOOnGLaDe game 3? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): Meh
(Vote): No
Poll: Recommend Alicia vs Illusion game 1?Yes (2) 50% Meh (2) 50% No (0) 0% 4 total votes Your vote: Recommend Alicia vs Illusion game 1? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): Meh
(Vote): No
Poll: Recommend Alicia vs Illusion game 2?Yes (6) 86% No (1) 14% Meh (0) 0% 7 total votes Your vote: Recommend Alicia vs Illusion game 2? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): Meh
(Vote): No
Poll: Recommend Alicia vs Illusion game 3?Yes (7) 78% Meh (1) 11% No (1) 11% 9 total votes Your vote: Recommend Alicia vs Illusion game 3? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): Meh
(Vote): No
Poll: Recommend Maker vs mOOnGLaDe game 1?No (6) 86% Yes (1) 14% Meh (0) 0% 7 total votes Your vote: Recommend Maker vs mOOnGLaDe game 1? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): Meh
(Vote): No
Poll: Recommend Maker vs mOOnGLaDe game 2?Meh (2) 67% No (1) 33% Yes (0) 0% 3 total votes Your vote: Recommend Maker vs mOOnGLaDe game 2? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): Meh
(Vote): No
Poll: Recommend Maker vs mOOnGLaDe game 3?Yes (4) 50% Meh (2) 25% No (2) 25% 8 total votes Your vote: Recommend Maker vs mOOnGLaDe game 3? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): Meh
(Vote): No
Poll: Recommend Illusion vs mOOnGLaDe game 1?Yes (2) 67% Meh (1) 33% No (0) 0% 3 total votes Your vote: Recommend Illusion vs mOOnGLaDe game 1? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): Meh
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Poll: Head?Alicia & mOOnGLaDe (24) 59% Alicia & Ilusion (12) 29% mOOnGLaDe & Ilusion (4) 10% Alicia & Maker (1) 2% Illusion & Maker (0) 0% Maker & mOOnGLaDe (0) 0% 41 total votes Your vote: Head? (Vote): Alicia & Ilusion
(Vote): mOOnGLaDe & Ilusion
(Vote): Illusion & Maker
(Vote): Alicia & mOOnGLaDe
(Vote): Alicia & Maker
(Vote): Maker & mOOnGLaDe
Poll: Heart?mOOnGLaDe & Ilusion (13) 39% Alicia & mOOnGLaDe (12) 36% Alicia & Ilusion (3) 9% llusion & Maker (2) 6% Maker vs mOOnGLaDe (2) 6% Alicia & Maker (1) 3% 33 total votes Your vote: Heart? (Vote): mOOnGLaDe & Ilusion
(Vote): Alicia & Maker
(Vote): Alicia & mOOnGLaDe
(Vote): llusion & Maker
(Vote): Alicia & Ilusion
(Vote): Maker vs mOOnGLaDe
Poll: Most anticipated match?Alicia vs mOOnGLaDe (14) 54% mOOnGLaDe vs Ilusion (10) 38% Alicia vs Illusion (1) 4% Alicia vs Maker (1) 4% Maker vs mOOnGLaDe (0) 0% Maker vs Illusion (0) 0% 26 total votes Your vote: Most anticipated match? (Vote): Alicia vs Illusion
(Vote): mOOnGLaDe vs Ilusion
(Vote): Alicia vs Maker
(Vote): Alicia vs mOOnGLaDe
(Vote): Maker vs mOOnGLaDe
(Vote): Maker vs Illusion
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(you're missing an option from heart)
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On May 01 2013 22:11 opterown wrote:
(you're missing an option from heart)
heart? O.O
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On May 01 2013 22:12 NovemberstOrm wrote:heart? O.O
the poll only has 5 options, there should be 6
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On May 01 2013 22:12 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 22:12 NovemberstOrm wrote:On May 01 2013 22:11 opterown wrote:
(you're missing an option from heart) heart? O.O the poll only has 5 options, there should be 6
oh i thought you meant heart the player haha i was confused for a second xd
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Very excited for this group, I think Alicia and moonglade get out. I haven't seen alicia play in awhile and moonglade.
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Thanks for making the thread. I was about to make it and then I saw you did ^^
wow apparently you made it forever ago too. How did I miss that? must be more tired than I thought
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Don't know where else to post this, just wanted to comment I love the ui they are using for WCS NA. You get a much larger viewing area and the supply is in the upper right hand corner where it belongs!
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Illusion is one of the only american players who has a chance to advance imo. I'll hope for Illusion + Moonglade, but I think it'll be Alicia + Illusion.
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If Alicia is lucky he will be able to take a game off mOOnGLaDe :D
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Alicia/Illusion to make it out of groups imo
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Predictions
Alicia 2 - 0 Maker
Illusion 0 - 2 mOOnGLaDe
Alicia 2 - 0 mOOnGLaDe
Maker 1 - 2 Illusion
mOOnGLaDe 2 - 1 Illusion
Alicia and mOOnGLaDe advance!
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Cheering for Alicia and Illusion!
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I cheer for that German guy "Illusion" and Maker because I find him to be cute. Go Terranas!
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Illusion, bring home the gold!
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b-b-but he beat grubby! XD
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Top 2 1st 2nd 3rd 4th
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Alicia 86.91% 47.53% 39.38% 9.41% 3.67%
mOOnGLaDe 89.51% 46.33% 43.18% 7.83% 2.66%
Illusion 11.79% 3.07% 8.72% 43.28% 44.93%
Maker 11.78% 3.06% 8.72% 39.48% 48.73%
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Moonglade, one of the few Starcraft 2 players I can still cheer for !
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Am I the only one who feels like they're trying really hard to stretch this out? I haven't actually been watching WCS so I don't know if they always do this, but I'm waiting to see the games...
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Nice to see an interview with an unknown player like this
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best wishes to Maker 
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Go Alicia! You should be able to beat Maker pretty easily
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It's a good thing we have Maker instead of a faceless Korean, so he can give more interesting interviews than "I'll do my best, thanks to all my fans for cheering for me".
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Nice to see MLG improving each day the same way ESL has been. Fun little interview.
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gg, maker took way to many storms to the face that game
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how to win vs. protoss as terran
1) press t
2) don't let opponent press t
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Korean Protoss Storms + No Splitting = Death To The NA Terran
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Poll: Recommend Maker vs Alicia game 1?No (4) 57% Meh (3) 43% Yes (0) 0% 7 total votes Your vote: Recommend Maker vs Alicia game 1? (Vote): Yes
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Maker getting supply blocked like a plat player, i wonder if it's nerves or he's simply a player that was seeded into premier by mistake
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On May 02 2013 09:22 suicideyear wrote:
how to win vs. protoss as terran
1) press t
2) don't let opponent press t
1) dont stand at your opponents base with a pocket of mass marines when you literally see templar infront of you
2) dont stand your storm-sized packet of marines in the full duration of storms without moving
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man those city shots in between games sure are awesome! Desktop background material!
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On May 02 2013 09:26 Vertitto wrote:
Maker getting supply blocked like a plat player, i wonder if it's nerves or he's simply a player that was seeded into premier by mistake
Every single seed based on last years NA WCS is a 'mistake'. ;/
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On May 02 2013 09:34 Gescom wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 09:26 Vertitto wrote:
Maker getting supply blocked like a plat player, i wonder if it's nerves or he's simply a player that was seeded into premier by mistake Every single seed based on last years NA WCS is a 'mistake'. ;/
o well, at least none of these games are going to go long.
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Axslav continues to overhype the NA players from unwinnable positions. >_>
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This is kind of hard to watch.
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This caster bias is almost ridiculous.
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On May 02 2013 09:39 Walnuts wrote:
This caster bias is almost ridiculous.
what do you expect them to say when maker is at 50% of alicia's supply?
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On May 02 2013 09:38 Gescom wrote:
Axslav continues to overhype the NA players from unwinnable positions. >_>
Maker has only half the supply of Alicia, he has a fighting chance!!!
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Poll: Recommend Maker vs Alicia game 2?No (12) 92% Yes (1) 8% Meh (0) 0% 13 total votes Your vote: Recommend Maker vs Alicia game 2? (Vote): Yes
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They invited the wrong people 
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Alamo reference with Mexican player to finish the game. Oops... :S
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On May 02 2013 09:40 Gescom wrote:
Alamo reference with Mexican player to finish the game. Oops... :S
I was also enjoying this, lol.
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On May 02 2013 09:38 Gescom wrote:
Axslav continues to overhype the NA players from unwinnable positions. >_>
they really don't have a choice when games are this uncompetitive. if they were to cast it straight up there would more or less be nothing to even say.
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Not all casting is saying the obvious sometimes they have to keep people watching... wish it wasn't so
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On May 02 2013 09:40 Gescom wrote:
Alamo reference with Mexican player to finish the game. Oops... :S
the bast part was Axeltoss or whoever the better looking of the two casters is scolding the other guy about "getting it wrong" because the Alamo was "about defending a fortress"
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On May 02 2013 09:40 magnaflow wrote:They invited the wrong people
i disagree with this, they invited the top american players from all the Americas, saddly top americans dont have the skill/level to play in even terms with koreans and these are the results.
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lot of invited players will have a hard time coming back to premier league :o
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Did we decide what country Alicia is from yet?
 Alicia?
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Theres a chance at a Mexico vs. USA rivalry game which is kind of cool
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On May 02 2013 09:45 Dodgin wrote:Did we decide what country Alicia is from yet? Alicia?
Lets diversify the countries at least, Americas arent only NA 
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If everyone in challenger league is American they may just not show up unless theres a cash prize thereby killing eSports for NA =/ Nice Blizzard.
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On May 02 2013 09:47 DeathProfessor wrote:
If everyone in challenger league is American they may just not show up unless theres a cash prize thereby killing eSports for NA =/ Nice Blizzard.
Why would they not show up if they are on teams who expect them too and have a shot at getting back into premier league for season 2?
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Just tuned into NA after watching that excellent EU grouping earlier. . .
Apologies for the negative vibe from this, but NA looks like a joke. It's almost like Blizzard did this on purpose to insult the North American scene.
Isn't the point of regions to help local players grow their skills by offering attainable financial incentives - i.e. a reason for North American's to invest more time and effort into the game? It looks like this golden opportunity is being cruelly dangled in front of NA, but then an obvious loophole of allowing the Koreans snatches it all away. From what I've seen thus far, it looks like Korea is going to be taking home most of the cash meant for a different region, once again suppressing growth in NA.
I now understand why Total Biscuit is doing Shoutcraft with a true region lock. Sigh
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Illusion seems like a cool dude but I can't root against Moonglade.
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Tuned in just in time for Moonglade v Illusion!
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On May 02 2013 09:52 Bagi wrote:
Illusion seems like a cool dude but I can't root against Moonglade.
who would you root in a Grubby vs Moonglade?
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On May 02 2013 09:55 Topin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 09:52 Bagi wrote:
Illusion seems like a cool dude but I can't root against Moonglade. who would you root in a Grubby vs Moonglade?
Moonglade, but then again I'm not a huge fan of the Grubster.
Also game 1 too ez.
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illusion once screwed me on a free lesson I won, so seeing him lose is refreshing!
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Poll: Recommend Illusion vs mOOnGLaDe game 1?Yes (5) 45% Meh (4) 36% No (2) 18% 11 total votes Your vote: Recommend Illusion vs mOOnGLaDe game 1? (Vote): Yes
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Recommending g1 because Moonglade is dope, otherwise it was pretty goofy. ;p
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Moonglade is clearly dominating Illusion because the e-sports infrastructure in Australia is so much better and all that training he got in a teamhouse is paying off.
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uGH, there shouldn't be commercial breaks between gamES!!!
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were the games between maker and alicia any good?
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On May 02 2013 10:01 LeeDawg wrote:
illusion once screwed me on a free lesson I won, so seeing him lose is refreshing!
Care to elaborate?
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On May 02 2013 10:04 LeeDawg wrote:
were the games between maker and alicia any good?
Not really no, pretty one sided 2-0.
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On May 02 2013 10:04 LeeDawg wrote:
were the games between maker and alicia any good?
Soulcrushing stomps, not worth your time in the slightest.
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On May 02 2013 10:04 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 10:01 LeeDawg wrote:
illusion once screwed me on a free lesson I won, so seeing him lose is refreshing! Care to elaborate?
i won a free lesson in an it's gosu tournament, which he never gave me. we would set up times and he would flake. happened a good 8 or 9 times.
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On May 02 2013 10:02 sitromit wrote:
Moonglade is clearly dominating Illusion because the e-sports infrastructure in Australia is so much better and all that training he got in a teamhouse is paying off.
Cute but every region has naturally talented players. I'm sure that the reason 95% of the scene is dominated by Koreans has nothing to do with the fact that everything is centralized in Seoul and young people can make a living/survive off playing a video game. 
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On May 02 2013 10:05 LeeDawg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 10:04 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:On May 02 2013 10:01 LeeDawg wrote:
illusion once screwed me on a free lesson I won, so seeing him lose is refreshing! Care to elaborate? i won a free lesson in an it's gosu tournament, which he never gave me. we would set up times and he would flake. happened a good 8 or 9 times.
it's gosu? that's going back! I know Illusion personally, I doubt there was malicious intent.
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On May 02 2013 09:45 Dodgin wrote:Did we decide what country Alicia is from yet? Alicia?
Alicia should be the wildcard from Cuba.
Castro fighting!
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On May 02 2013 10:05 LeeDawg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 10:04 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:On May 02 2013 10:01 LeeDawg wrote:
illusion once screwed me on a free lesson I won, so seeing him lose is refreshing! Care to elaborate? i won a free lesson in an it's gosu tournament, which he never gave me. we would set up times and he would flake. happened a good 8 or 9 times.
that's a lot of times
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On May 02 2013 10:07 LuckyFool wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 10:05 LeeDawg wrote:On May 02 2013 10:04 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:On May 02 2013 10:01 LeeDawg wrote:
illusion once screwed me on a free lesson I won, so seeing him lose is refreshing! Care to elaborate? i won a free lesson in an it's gosu tournament, which he never gave me. we would set up times and he would flake. happened a good 8 or 9 times. it's gosu? that's going back! I know Illusion personally, I doubt there was malicious intent.
yeah i don't think there was anything malicious either, just him being really young and immature
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Maybe the games will get competitive in the RO16, because theres absolutely no wonder WCS EU is getting 2.5x-3x the viewership when their games are actually really good and exciting. WCS NA has been nothing short of horrific waste-of-time stomps and I wonder if the higher-ups ever expected anything different.
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rofl if moonglade did the same roach attack illusion would be dead again..........
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moonglade looses almost 1k more, almost all in banelings, fighting against solely against light units that cost no gas "Well, that was an even trade" lol.
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Illusion not making any more widow mines, this might be the opening moonglade needs to seal the series!
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Illusion definitely overcommitting there.
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intenseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee as fuckk
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look at moonglade's money o_O
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wth that money, macro man
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Moon done goofed
and I g2g ;;
gl Moonglade
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I think Illusion had that no matter what at that point.
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On May 02 2013 10:20 Emzeeshady wrote:I think the casters were right. He was banking for Ultras
he started ultra den with 2k/2k bank o.o idk what happened there
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ive done that before. also with evo chambers...so frustrating -_-
well played by illusion, though
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Wow that is an unfortunate mistake. Moonglade won that game no contest if he had those ultras. Sad to see him lose against a player like illusion but he still has a game to go.
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Illusion's macro is sick. His micro needs a bit of work, especially vs some banelings, but man he is good. Such a great intense game, sad that it ended because of a big moonglade mistake.
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Sick game.
C'mon Moonglade! ><
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That's a shame, but I don't think it would have changed the result.
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wp by illu, was a nice game
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Ugh, that's the worst way to lose a game (besides dts maybe)
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I'm getting drunk off of all the whining in the stream chat. I need to turn it off.
That was an exciting game!
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On May 02 2013 10:21 Gescom wrote:
I think Illusion had that no matter what at that point.
8 ultras wouldve done wonders.
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The play may not be that great comapred to korea but that was the most entertaining game in WCS NA so far IMO
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On May 02 2013 10:22 RogerChillingworth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 10:21 Gescom wrote:
I think Illusion had that no matter what at that point. 8 ultras wouldve done wonders.
The timing wasn't there at all for that to happen. The 4th and 5th were going down by the timing they would have popped. Glade got pressured too hard and eventually buckled. Glade's army never moved from his 4th for the last 5 minutes..
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On May 02 2013 10:22 aksfjh wrote:
I'm getting drunk off of all the whining in the stream chat. I need to turn it off.
That was an exciting game!
I opened the stream chat once. ONCE. Big mistake.
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gj illusion gogo illusion
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Poll: Recommend Illusion vs mOOnGLaDe game 2?Yes (12) 86% No (2) 14% Meh (0) 0% 14 total votes Your vote: Recommend Illusion vs mOOnGLaDe game 2? (Vote): Yes
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On May 02 2013 10:23 Gescom wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 10:22 RogerChillingworth wrote:On May 02 2013 10:21 Gescom wrote:
I think Illusion had that no matter what at that point. 8 ultras wouldve done wonders. The timing wasn't there at all for that to happen. The 4th and 5th were going down by the timing they would have popped.
would be cool to get 2 GM players to play it out from the point he builds 2nd infestation bit
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On May 02 2013 10:23 Gescom wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 10:22 RogerChillingworth wrote:On May 02 2013 10:21 Gescom wrote:
I think Illusion had that no matter what at that point. 8 ultras wouldve done wonders. The timing wasn't there at all for that to happen. The 4th and 5th were going down by the timing they would have popped.
Actually had moonglade dropped the ultralisk cavern as soon as the hive finished he would have held the attack
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Solid advice, Axeltoss :D
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Is this loser picks maps? Interesting map pick if it is.
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On May 02 2013 10:25 leo23 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 10:23 Gescom wrote:On May 02 2013 10:22 RogerChillingworth wrote:On May 02 2013 10:21 Gescom wrote:
I think Illusion had that no matter what at that point. 8 ultras wouldve done wonders. The timing wasn't there at all for that to happen. The 4th and 5th were going down by the timing they would have popped. Actually had moonglade dropped the ultralisk cavern as soon as the hive finished he would have held the attack
Meh, watch the vod later. He has no money at all when he researches 3/3 and he is getting pushed back constantly at the 4th with no drones at it while Illusion mines freely on four bases. He chose not to drop the ultralisk cavern (or even research adrenal glands) on purpose.
A zerg going muta/ling who doesn't pressure terran/have any map presence AT ALL is clearly losing badly.
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So he built a second infestation pit on purpose?
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I have to say, the quality of this 1080p is quite nice. The lag sucks, but the picture quality is magnificent.
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On May 02 2013 10:22 RogerChillingworth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 10:21 Gescom wrote:
I think Illusion had that no matter what at that point. 8 ultras wouldve done wonders.
especially with no marauders
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Why do terran players bring the reapers home instead of trying to get scouting with them (or at least hold a tower)?
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On May 02 2013 10:27 Gescom wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 10:25 leo23 wrote:On May 02 2013 10:23 Gescom wrote:On May 02 2013 10:22 RogerChillingworth wrote:On May 02 2013 10:21 Gescom wrote:
I think Illusion had that no matter what at that point. 8 ultras wouldve done wonders. The timing wasn't there at all for that to happen. The 4th and 5th were going down by the timing they would have popped. Actually had moonglade dropped the ultralisk cavern as soon as the hive finished he would have held the attack Meh, watch the vod later. He has no money at all when he researches 3/3 and he is getting pushed back constantly at the 4th with no drones at it while Illusion mines freely on four bases. He chose not to drop the ultralisk cavern (or even research adrenal glands) on purpose. A zerg going muta/ling who doesn't pressure terran/have any map presence AT ALL is clearly losing badly.
2300 mineral and 2100 gas banked. He was mining from the 5th as the engagement happened. He could have made a TON of mutas and control the game since it was amazing that he was holding until the last attack with very little mutas. But he wanted to deliver a final deadly blow with 8 ultras popping out and countering but his obvious mistake caused him the game.
Also consider he had no marauders in production up until much later.
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Illusions hitting his stride this game :D
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I'm loving Illusion's multitasking mixed with his great macro. so good.
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are these games played live?
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Glades dead T_T
Illusion so good
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Theme of WCS AM: build 5 widow mines. Watch them kill 50billion lings, banes and drones. Giggle your way to victory.
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On May 02 2013 10:39 Kouda wrote:
are these games played live?
yes
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On May 02 2013 10:39 LeeDawg wrote:
hero mine
That cooldown timing when the drones bunched up at the patch >.<
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most of illusion's units weren't even fighting in that battle...
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Agh, Moonglade's multitasking cannot keep up with Illusion, counting on you Alicia!
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That's a wrap on this one.
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Drops are pretty good in this game.
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Moonglade has no production. That army he has is it.
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Damn, Moongladuuuuu T_T. These pesky Terrans, holy shit O.o.
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No hatcheries = no larvae = no army. Just gg out already.
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He really needed some drop defense.
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Now no tech mixed with no production.
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On May 02 2013 10:43 Laryleprakon wrote:
He really needed some drop defense.
yeah about 3k minerals worth across 4 bases --__---
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moonglade walking his entire army back and forth for one medivac is painful to watch.
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On May 02 2013 10:43 Laryleprakon wrote:
He really needed some drop defense.
Yeah specially when going roach/hydra. Having a couple of spines and spore crawlers at every base would have helped.
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YEAH ILLUSION! Triple base snipe!
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16 kills marauder, standard
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On May 02 2013 10:45 Sub40APM wrote:
moonglade walking his entire army back and forth for one medivac is painful to watch.
reminds me of me
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Finally! One for 'Murica!
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Well that was an excellent demonstration of the weaknesses of roach/hydra and how much things snowball with both compositions.
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Canada16217 Posts
Poll: Recommend Illusion vs mOOnGLaDe game 3?Yes (13) 87% No (2) 13% Meh (0) 0% 15 total votes Your vote: Recommend Illusion vs mOOnGLaDe game 3? (Vote): Yes
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On May 02 2013 10:45 LeeDawg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 10:45 Sub40APM wrote:
moonglade walking his entire army back and forth for one medivac is painful to watch. reminds me of me
Better than me. Getting dropped? Go all in.
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TLADT24920 Posts
Nice work Illusion! I caught the end but I saw his good splits against FG and such, great!
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On May 02 2013 10:45 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Finally! One for 'Murica!
I think Minigun won a series yesterday
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i don't like how axslav kept cutting off the other caster almost every time, i think its axeltoss?
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so nice illusion.........ggggg
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On May 02 2013 10:46 NovemberstOrm wrote:
also USAUSAUSA fighting!
i don't particularly like illusion, but it would be nice to see an american through to the round of 16, especially after the epic collapse by chad motherfucking jones yesterday
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On May 02 2013 10:47 Dodgin wrote:I think Minigun won a series yesterday
he should have won two series, if he didn't derp and move out without a recall against apocalypse
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Guys, Illusion is a mouz. He's German. 
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On May 02 2013 10:47 Dodgin wrote:I think Minigun won a series yesterday
I actually don't know how I did that. I even watched the series happen.
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That was really well played by illusion, knowing he is ahead and just strangling moonglade out. I hope moonglade can come back and advance though, love that guy
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Poll: Recommend Maker vs Alicia game 3?Yes (7) 70% Meh (2) 20% No (1) 10% 10 total votes Your vote: Recommend Maker vs Alicia game 3? (Vote): Yes
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for spoilers :p
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whatever else you want to say, its awesome to have two more gsl-like tournaments on all the time. they're all connected. it does feel like a global league of sorts.
i've been bitching, but i'm enjoying the content.
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This tournament somehow has me cheering for players ive never cared for so i guess its a succes, this aint no GSL but hey nothing is and im still enjoying watching it.
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There's a great artosis pylon there.
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Seriously, pre-medivac TvP attacks simply don't work with MsC.
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I don't understand why the MLG stream is the ONLY stream that lags in 720p for me.
WCS EU, Dreamhack, GSL, etc... 720+ no problem. MLG? 720p = LAG CITY
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Canada16217 Posts
On May 02 2013 11:03 Dosey wrote:
I don't understand why the MLG stream is the ONLY stream that lags in 720p for me.
WCS EU, Dreamhack, GSL, etc... 720+ no problem. MLG? 720p = LAG CITY
it's fine for me D:
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On May 02 2013 11:03 Dosey wrote:
I don't understand why the MLG stream is the ONLY stream that lags in 720p for me.
WCS EU, Dreamhack, GSL, etc... 720+ no problem. MLG? 720p = LAG CITY
You live in an apt? or on a campus? If so its probably because of the timing and on your end
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illusion's engagement decisions have been terrible this entire day.
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 Illusion seemed to forget to switch his keyboard back to English there
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If illusion had just waited for 3-3 while dropping he woulda been better, but he got stormu,d with no heals.
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Shows like American Footbsll, SC2 is game of "inches" waits 5 seconds might have won that
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akilon might be the new daybreak. every race seems to pick it in every matchup
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Poll: Recommend Alicia vs Illusion game 1?Yes (2) 50% Meh (2) 50% No (0) 0% 4 total votes Your vote: Recommend Alicia vs Illusion game 1? (Vote): Yes
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Poll: Recommend Alicia vs Illusion game 2?Yes (6) 86% No (1) 14% Meh (0) 0% 7 total votes Your vote: Recommend Alicia vs Illusion game 2? (Vote): Yes
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that build seemed pretty sick by illusion
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SUCH a cool build/timing."Widow Mines say WHATS UP!" lolol
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Clever timing, but pretty damned gimmicky.
Alicia too greedy.
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Pretty sweet game by Illusion
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On May 02 2013 11:23 Dodgin wrote:
that build seemed pretty sick by illusion
thorzain used it on akilon at DH, and then WCS EU
I wonder if it's a common strat or Illusion just decided it would eb a good idea?
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That was so greedy by Alicia though. If Illusion hadn't won with that push, Alicia would have had 2-2 before Illusion got any upgrades
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He could win this series guys. Sigh, haha.
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We can only hope that some big named Koreans get knocked out and here in RO32 and don't have as much incentive to come back. I doubt he can do it, but rooting for illusion!
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Man Illusion looking legit against one of the best koreans in this league.
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On May 02 2013 11:23 Acrofales wrote:
Clever timing, but pretty damned gimmicky.
Alicia too greedy.
what build is better vs this? (serious question mark)
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Maybe history will be made *rubs hands* too exciting!
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The fuck is going on here.
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Ilusion with the YOLO build.
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i was just thinking he was going to do this.
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Illusion channeling that little Mvp inside all of us
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The terran lost the 3 times I've seen this done in pro games.
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Bring on daaaa YOLO Cheese
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On May 02 2013 11:29 Zenbrez wrote:
The terran lost the 3 times I've seen this done in pro games.
DON'T LOSE FAITH NOW
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This build will always make me happy in a deciding game just from the memories of Mvp!
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On May 02 2013 11:29 Zenbrez wrote:
The terran lost the 3 times I've seen this done in pro games.
Make that 4.
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On May 02 2013 11:29 Zenbrez wrote:
The terran lost the 3 times I've seen this done in pro games.
Someone didn't watch the best GSL finals ever
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Oh wow, if Illusion didn't get those marines surrounded...
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He had it won, but boxed himself in...? X_X
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haha, two scv's taking down a mighty stalker
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It's ok, I think Illusion can take down whoever comes up from the losers' match.
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Poll: Recommend Alicia vs Illusion game 3?Yes (7) 78% Meh (1) 11% No (1) 11% 9 total votes Your vote: Recommend Alicia vs Illusion game 3? (Vote): Yes
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On May 02 2013 11:31 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 11:29 Zenbrez wrote:
The terran lost the 3 times I've seen this done in pro games. Someone didn't watch the best GSL finals ever
I meant in Hots (could have specified, but that's why my number was so low )
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Alicia too good to get cheesed.
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I don't think he should've attacked so early.
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On May 02 2013 11:31 ThePowerHour wrote:
It's ok, I think Illusion can take down whoever comes up from the losers' match.
i agree. illusion looked very strong.
america!!!
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On May 02 2013 11:32 Zenbrez wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 11:31 Dodgin wrote:On May 02 2013 11:29 Zenbrez wrote:
The terran lost the 3 times I've seen this done in pro games. Someone didn't watch the best GSL finals ever I meant in Hots
Oh yeah, in HOTS It's pretty garbage.
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Stay in school Illusion...sigh
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hardcore cheese in the last game is so ugly
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mother ship core= ultimate party pooper
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On May 02 2013 11:32 Zenbrez wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 11:31 Dodgin wrote:On May 02 2013 11:29 Zenbrez wrote:
The terran lost the 3 times I've seen this done in pro games. Someone didn't watch the best GSL finals ever I meant in Hots
I was surprised Illusion didn't at least try to bunker. That being said, early cheese/attacks are more less powerful with msc.
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That cheese... Very well executed. But Alicia microed his probes better.
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Yay Alicia! Wish they could have played a longer game though :/
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What a game. At least Illusion managed to make it a close series
Nice to see Alicia make it though, and hopefully Illusion can win the final match.
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I better tap out so that I wake up in time for the GSL showdown. Godspeed, Americas 
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On May 02 2013 11:35 AlternativeEgo wrote:I better tap out so that I wake up in time for the GSL showdown. Godspeed, Americas
Ayyyy good night!
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sorry but everyone rooting against moonglade needs to go watch some recent SotG episodes and just absorb that dudes tubular essence.
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On May 02 2013 11:42 RogerChillingworth wrote:
sorry but everyone rooting against moonglade needs to go watch some recent SotG episodes and just absorb that dudes tubular essence.
tubular! ha!
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Errrrrr.... Moonglade? What are you doing?
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That wasn't too tubular of him
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Wait what is going on? Illusions's NA ladder account was Hecate. Now moonglade is playing Hecate on stream? Does someone want to prove me wrong.
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That killed almost nothing
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What on earth, that was one of the dumbest decisions I've seen in a long time.
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On May 02 2013 11:54 forsooth wrote:
What on earth, that was one of the dumbest decisions I've seen in a long time.
maker went full foreigner
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And he's making more tanks, which is the last thing in the world he needs.
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Dude moonglade could just make 10 mutas and win
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it's like this maker guy has never played against zerg before
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6 tanks building at once...
I hear units that fly are pretty good against swarm hosts and vipers.
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rofl moonglade's bank. doesn't matter if his broods get owned now.
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On May 02 2013 11:58 408xParadox wrote:
Dude moonglade could just make 10 mutas and win
40. He have +4000/+4000 resourses floating. I guess having free units is nice.
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this is why mech is completely dead vs zerg.
no point.
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On May 02 2013 12:01 Gamegene wrote:
this is why mech is completely dead vs zerg.
no point.
he is playing it pretty bad.
plus he was winning then completely failed with moving out.
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On May 02 2013 12:01 Gamegene wrote:
this is why mech is completely dead vs zerg.
no point.
he isn't doing mech properly lol
you need air units, man. Maker is just massing tanks and losing them...No Bueno
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On May 02 2013 12:01 Gamegene wrote:
this is why mech is completely dead vs zerg.
no point.
I think it's more like mech has a very definite shelf life and requires an air transition or you will lose.
Making 30 tanks against Zerg has never been a good idea.
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THIS COULD BE A BIG SIEGE!!!
owait I forgot that moonglade has a comp that can't actually take any damage to this maker idiot's tank only play
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On May 02 2013 12:02 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 12:01 Gamegene wrote:
this is why mech is completely dead vs zerg.
no point. he is playing it pretty bad. plus he was winning then completely failed with moving out.
He is playing pretty bad, but mech is pretty dead vs Zerg.
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lol. with mech you either do one timing before hive or you let your zerg opponent do whatever he wants by turtling on 4 bases and pray that he isn't competent.
it's just not good at all.
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lol, trying to say that losing all of his tanks for like two swarm hosts was worth it because moonglade had previously never lost a unit
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Moonglade's bank is ridiculous.
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And he's still spending all that gas on tanks...
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glad this maker guy got a seed. definitely worth being televised.
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Close game, can't wait for Game 2
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On May 02 2013 12:04 greatZERG wrote:
Close game, can't wait for Game 2
lol
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omg so tense/back and forth. I thought moonglade was dead for sure but he somehow won
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Great game by Moonglade. He had 3-3 air on the way for the broodlord transition if need be.
That swarmhost/viper composition is really cool
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On May 02 2013 12:05 grush57 wrote:lol
australian fans gotta give some suspense for their hometown hero :D
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On May 02 2013 12:03 Gamegene wrote:
lol. with mech you either do one timing before hive or you let your zerg opponent do whatever he wants by turtling on 4 bases and pray that he isn't competent.
it's just not good at all.
well lategame mech u transition into air.
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On May 02 2013 12:04 negativedge wrote:
glad this maker guy got a seed. definitely worth being televised.
You know how people say you can't read sarcasm on the internet? This guy may have broken that rule.
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On May 02 2013 12:04 negativedge wrote:
glad this maker guy got a seed. definitely worth being televised.
LOL. he looked pretty bad vs suppy in the MLG qualifiers too
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On May 02 2013 12:04 negativedge wrote:
glad this maker guy got a seed. definitely worth being televised.
We could've had Demuslim...
Unrelated note: that rapid time lapse footage of the river looks pretty cool.
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This is like broodlord infestor again, just with a different units. I thought blizzard had learned that free units were not a good idea. Why can't we just get lurkers back?
Edit: Actually I am going to take this moment to express my hate for swarm hosts. FYI I am a zerg player. First they are lair tech brood lords. Second they are not good in small numbers and are only good once they reach a critical mass, thus defeating the purpose of being a unit that controls space. Lastly they are the least scary unit that spawns the least zergy unit that I have ever seen, both the swarm host and the locust don't look like they are zerg at all.
Lastly the lurker is a scary unit that controls space much better, with fewer units, doesn't spawn free units and is much scarier. On top of that the strategy that comes with the lurker is much greater than that of the swarmhost, as seen in ver's article about savior.
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On May 02 2013 12:06 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 12:03 Gamegene wrote:
lol. with mech you either do one timing before hive or you let your zerg opponent do whatever he wants by turtling on 4 bases and pray that he isn't competent.
it's just not good at all. well lategame mech u transition into air.
And that's where you start praying. You have no control over the game when that happens. Before in WoL you would have opportunities to gain an advantage, slow down the zerg or force some tempo on your opponent as you make your air switch. In HOTS you are praying since zerg is in complete control.
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Poll: Recommend Maker vs mOOnGLaDe game 1?No (6) 86% Yes (1) 14% Meh (0) 0% 7 total votes Your vote: Recommend Maker vs mOOnGLaDe game 1? (Vote): Yes
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This is what's so annoying about swarm host play like this. Moonglade clearly had the game waaaay before the gg, but swarm hosts are so hard to land a killing blow with. Its funny to see them get excited about maker killing the swarm host, because the minute he did, moonglade would have the killing blow 2 minutes later with the freed up supply.
At that point the only way maker could have won was to kill the tech buildings so that said tech switch can't happen, and that's not easy.
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I just happened to be playing Running in the 90s during the break. The music is very fitting with the sped-up cityscape.
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On May 02 2013 12:08 408xParadox wrote:
This is like broodlord infestor again, just with a different units. I thought blizzard had learned that free units were not a good idea. Why can't we just get lurkers back?
Rofl what is this? Do you condone 30 tanks into no transition? Of course Maker's build should lose to locust viper...
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On May 02 2013 12:08 408xParadox wrote:
This is like broodlord infestor again, just with a different units. I thought blizzard had learned that free units were not a good idea. Why can't we just get lurkers back?
They wanted zerg to be more "swarmy"ish -.-
I don't think he's saying mass swarm-host is imbalanced, just locusts are stupid
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On May 02 2013 12:11 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 12:08 408xParadox wrote:
This is like broodlord infestor again, just with a different units. I thought blizzard had learned that free units were not a good idea. Why can't we just get lurkers back? Rofl what is this? Do you condone 30 tanks into no transition? Of course Maker's build should lose to locust viper...
I'm not a big fan of swarms of free units either, but I have to agree that this game isn't a good example of why. Maker played like crap and deserved to lose.
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On May 02 2013 12:11 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 12:08 408xParadox wrote:
This is like broodlord infestor again, just with a different units. I thought blizzard had learned that free units were not a good idea. Why can't we just get lurkers back? They wanted zerg to be more "swarmy"ish -.- I don't think he's saying mass swarm-host is imbalanced, just locusts are stupid
Ya they are not op. This is just boring game design again by blizzard
Edit: WOL infestors though, that shit was op.
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On May 02 2013 12:12 forsooth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 12:11 Nebuchad wrote:On May 02 2013 12:08 408xParadox wrote:
This is like broodlord infestor again, just with a different units. I thought blizzard had learned that free units were not a good idea. Why can't we just get lurkers back? Rofl what is this? Do you condone 30 tanks into no transition? Of course Maker's build should lose to locust viper... I'm not a big fan of swarms of free units either, but I have to agree that this game isn't a good example of why. Maker played like crap and deserved to lose.
i think there was a thread a while back about how free units are not zergy in the bw sense of the word. i get where blizz is coming from with them, but they're ridiculously cost efficient which is supposed to be something zerg is not. at least in bw
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On May 02 2013 12:15 LeeDawg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 12:12 forsooth wrote:On May 02 2013 12:11 Nebuchad wrote:On May 02 2013 12:08 408xParadox wrote:
This is like broodlord infestor again, just with a different units. I thought blizzard had learned that free units were not a good idea. Why can't we just get lurkers back? Rofl what is this? Do you condone 30 tanks into no transition? Of course Maker's build should lose to locust viper... I'm not a big fan of swarms of free units either, but I have to agree that this game isn't a good example of why. Maker played like crap and deserved to lose. i think there was a thread a while back about how free units are not zergy in the bw sense of the word. i get where blizz is coming from with them, but they're ridiculously cost efficient which is supposed to be something zerg is not. at least in bw
They are not OP and really use for hard countering mech. They are however, boring, unexciting, and badly designed.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
I wonder why Moonglade likes roach hydra on this map.
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On May 02 2013 12:15 LeeDawg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 12:12 forsooth wrote:On May 02 2013 12:11 Nebuchad wrote:On May 02 2013 12:08 408xParadox wrote:
This is like broodlord infestor again, just with a different units. I thought blizzard had learned that free units were not a good idea. Why can't we just get lurkers back? Rofl what is this? Do you condone 30 tanks into no transition? Of course Maker's build should lose to locust viper... I'm not a big fan of swarms of free units either, but I have to agree that this game isn't a good example of why. Maker played like crap and deserved to lose. i think there was a thread a while back about how free units are not zergy in the bw sense of the word. i get where blizz is coming from with them, but they're ridiculously cost efficient which is supposed to be something zerg is not. at least in bw
Yeah, that's one of the reasons I've been against the design of brood lords since the first time I saw them. The idea of an air unit that shoots free units that automatically break siege lines for you and accumulate over time and keep on attacking was just ludicrous to me, especially considering the range of brood lords. Some people on this site have advocated some kind of locust buff to increase swarm host usage but honestly that's just crazy talk, locusts are already really good against armies that don't have lots of AOE or the healing ability unique to Terran bio play.
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On May 02 2013 12:20 stuchiu wrote:
I wonder why Moonglade likes roach hydra on this map.
hahahahaha nice edit
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Canada16217 Posts
Poll: Recommend Maker vs mOOnGLaDe game 2?Meh (2) 67% No (1) 33% Yes (0) 0% 3 total votes Your vote: Recommend Maker vs mOOnGLaDe game 2? (Vote): Yes
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Nice work Maker! That hellion-reaper attack was huge
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Good runby by Maker there was a nice eco advantage
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Turns out losing half your workers is not a good thing
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On May 02 2013 12:22 forsooth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 12:15 LeeDawg wrote:On May 02 2013 12:12 forsooth wrote:On May 02 2013 12:11 Nebuchad wrote:On May 02 2013 12:08 408xParadox wrote:
This is like broodlord infestor again, just with a different units. I thought blizzard had learned that free units were not a good idea. Why can't we just get lurkers back? Rofl what is this? Do you condone 30 tanks into no transition? Of course Maker's build should lose to locust viper... I'm not a big fan of swarms of free units either, but I have to agree that this game isn't a good example of why. Maker played like crap and deserved to lose. i think there was a thread a while back about how free units are not zergy in the bw sense of the word. i get where blizz is coming from with them, but they're ridiculously cost efficient which is supposed to be something zerg is not. at least in bw Yeah, that's one of the reasons I've been against the design of brood lords since the first time I saw them. The idea of an air unit that shoots free units that automatically break siege lines for you and accumulate over time and keep on attacking was just ludicrous to me, especially considering the range of brood lords. Some people on this site have advocated some kind of locust buff to increase swarm host usage but honestly that's just crazy talk, locusts are already really good against armies that don't have lots of AOE or the healing ability unique to Terran bio play.
The problem is Terran either has a lot of AOE, a lot of healing, or both. That's central to Terran play.
Protoss always has AOE by the time swarm hosts come out whether it's swarm host tech or not.
Zerg? well, swarm hosts can't shoot up.
So the hypothetical armies you talk about don't actually exist if the match is even and you get to swarm host tech.
If not, you've won anyway no matter what you make.
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Hoping for that Moonglade fellow to advance, so personable on all those talkshows
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Ah, good old hellion-banshee
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Maker is doing a pretty good job, definitely showing up moonglade in g2/g3 with some really nice control. I'm one to admit I judged him too harshly based on g1. This is actually a pretty interesting series. Hoping for a moonglade comeback
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OH MY GODDD MOOONGLADEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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great defense by moonglade.
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that was AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Moonglade is soo far ahead since he is playing vs Mech
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nice defense by moonglade.
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WOW MOONGLADE!!!!!!! Spectacular hold!!
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close defense. wp by moonglade
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Mech is so bad against mutas.
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Maker has just foreigner'd away 2 big leads in games where he played mech
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The guy they did an interview with goes out last.
That sucks.
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moonglade vs illusion rematch!
can't decide who to root for
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how the hell did maker screw that up
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omggg moongalde that was SICK
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GGlade one more!
Really surprised he remade the spire again after it was scouted/killed, that took balls
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This is why I only play some kind of bio TvZ
Maker shouldve made mines though, I don't think thors as your only anti-air is going to cut it
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On May 02 2013 12:40 forsooth wrote:
Mech is so bad against mutas.
Mech is great against Mutas. Clumping Thors so half of them are limited to 1 or 2 shots not so great.
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On May 02 2013 12:40 forsooth wrote:
Mech is so bad against mutas.
Can we all just stop calling what Maker does mech? Seriously. It's like people that derive balance results from 1 tournament, or when bad players are playing. Just please...
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Poll: Recommend Maker vs mOOnGLaDe game 3?Yes (4) 50% Meh (2) 25% No (2) 25% 8 total votes Your vote: Recommend Maker vs mOOnGLaDe game 3? (Vote): Yes
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It's funny. Moonglade scouted the banshees, and even made the spores super-early. Still took a significant amount of damage from the cloaked banshees.
Thankfully Maker gets caught completely off guard by mutas, and he had even pre-emptively turreted up the main and natural
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On May 02 2013 12:42 RogerChillingworth wrote:Can we all just stop calling what Maker does mech? Seriously. It's like people that derive balance results from 1 tournament, or when bad players are playing. Just please...
Well he has factories...
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Nice to see Moonglade still have a shot.
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I have a feeling Moonglade wins because I think hes a pretty intelligent guy, so knows what Illusion would do... rooting for Illusion though, can't help it I am a nationalist lol
Wouldn't feel bad whoever wins though.
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On May 02 2013 12:42 Mackus wrote:Mech is great against Mutas. Clumping Thors so half of them are limited to 1 or 2 shots not so great.
Mines can be good but thors are and have always been bad against lots of mutas.
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Come on Illusion! You can do it! Make America proud!
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Come on Moonglade. You can do it! Make there be no americans in the RO16 WCS America.
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I don't know who to root for I love both these guys tt
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On May 02 2013 12:49 forsooth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 12:42 Mackus wrote:On May 02 2013 12:40 forsooth wrote:
Mech is so bad against mutas. Mech is great against Mutas. Clumping Thors so half of them are limited to 1 or 2 shots not so great. Mines can be good but thors are and have always been bad against lots of mutas.
what?
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On May 02 2013 12:55 LeeDawg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 12:49 forsooth wrote:On May 02 2013 12:42 Mackus wrote:On May 02 2013 12:40 forsooth wrote:
Mech is so bad against mutas. Mech is great against Mutas. Clumping Thors so half of them are limited to 1 or 2 shots not so great. Mines can be good but thors are and have always been bad against lots of mutas. what?
Make 20-30 mutas and see what happens if you magic box even against like 7 thors.
You'll slaughter them.
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woah Illusion vs Moonglade when I leave and come back home.
gogo Gladuuuu
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On May 02 2013 12:59 forsooth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 12:55 LeeDawg wrote:On May 02 2013 12:49 forsooth wrote:On May 02 2013 12:42 Mackus wrote:On May 02 2013 12:40 forsooth wrote:
Mech is so bad against mutas. Mech is great against Mutas. Clumping Thors so half of them are limited to 1 or 2 shots not so great. Mines can be good but thors are and have always been bad against lots of mutas. what? Make 20-30 mutas and see what happens if you magic box even against like 7 thors. You'll slaughter them.
really? i play protoss so i don't know the nuances of tvz, but that seems pretty counter intuitive. isn't thor supposed to be the counter to muta?
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Wtf was illusion doing before, just throwing away a few units at a time.
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Canada16217 Posts
Poll: Recommend Illusion vs mOOnGLaDe game 1?Yes (2) 67% Meh (1) 33% No (0) 0% 3 total votes Your vote: Recommend Illusion vs mOOnGLaDe game 1? (Vote): Yes
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I'm going to be so angry if a single NA player still doesn't make it to the Ro16.
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Hmm, did Illusion forget how to split?
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On May 02 2013 13:03 LeeDawg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 12:59 forsooth wrote:On May 02 2013 12:55 LeeDawg wrote:On May 02 2013 12:49 forsooth wrote:On May 02 2013 12:42 Mackus wrote:On May 02 2013 12:40 forsooth wrote:
Mech is so bad against mutas. Mech is great against Mutas. Clumping Thors so half of them are limited to 1 or 2 shots not so great. Mines can be good but thors are and have always been bad against lots of mutas. what? Make 20-30 mutas and see what happens if you magic box even against like 7 thors. You'll slaughter them. really? i play protoss so i don't know the nuances of tvz, but that seems pretty counter intuitive. isn't thor supposed to be the counter to muta?
Just like how corruptors were supposed to counter voids
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On May 02 2013 13:03 LeeDawg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 12:59 forsooth wrote:On May 02 2013 12:55 LeeDawg wrote:On May 02 2013 12:49 forsooth wrote:On May 02 2013 12:42 Mackus wrote:On May 02 2013 12:40 forsooth wrote:
Mech is so bad against mutas. Mech is great against Mutas. Clumping Thors so half of them are limited to 1 or 2 shots not so great. Mines can be good but thors are and have always been bad against lots of mutas. what? Make 20-30 mutas and see what happens if you magic box even against like 7 thors. You'll slaughter them. really? i play protoss so i don't know the nuances of tvz, but that seems pretty counter intuitive. isn't thor supposed to be the counter to muta?
Depends on upgrades, splitting, positioning and if you're on offense or defense. Generally depends on the unit comp.
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On May 02 2013 13:04 Bagration wrote:
I'm going to be so angry if a single NA player still doesn't make it to the Ro16.
Scarlett and Huk have a pretty decent chance. But honestly, if you want to watch the level of play from people like Maker and Minigun then watch their streams. It pretty cringe worthy when you notice all the mistakes these players are making.
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Beautiful game by moonglade!
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Illusion! You need to win for the NA scene!
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Stream down for anyone else?
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On May 02 2013 13:14 Paz wrote:
Stream down for anyone else?
Still working fine for me.
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On May 02 2013 13:03 LeeDawg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 12:59 forsooth wrote:On May 02 2013 12:55 LeeDawg wrote:On May 02 2013 12:49 forsooth wrote:On May 02 2013 12:42 Mackus wrote:On May 02 2013 12:40 forsooth wrote:
Mech is so bad against mutas. Mech is great against Mutas. Clumping Thors so half of them are limited to 1 or 2 shots not so great. Mines can be good but thors are and have always been bad against lots of mutas. what? Make 20-30 mutas and see what happens if you magic box even against like 7 thors. You'll slaughter them. really? i play protoss so i don't know the nuances of tvz, but that seems pretty counter intuitive. isn't thor supposed to be the counter to muta?
They're decent, but you HAVE to have support of some type (mines, marines). For bio at least the marines are the real damage dealers, thors are there so that Zerg can't clump them and snipe a tank in a single volley
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Canada16217 Posts
that was terrible by moonglade
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Moonglades control is pretty good. I like the waves of zerglings.
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moonglade staying on ultras could cost him the game.
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If moonglade had transfuses this game would be over -.-
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moonglade ....whyyy
nvm it only took him like 4-5 remaxes on ultra ling haha
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watching these herp derp Ultras is just painful ...
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I love it when zergs do this on ladder
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Illusion has to kill some hatches, moonglade can constantly throw away units even if poorly because of his huge eco.
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Wow mad props to moonglade for playing this series so well despite staying on ultras and not transfusing for so long
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Canada16217 Posts
Illusion should of taken the bottom right expo
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big difference between the earlier daybreak game between these two and this one. moonglade looking good
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They game is super scrappy.
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Here comes the eventual tech switch
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Canada16217 Posts
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Tier 1 Terran > Tier 3 Zerg
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Surprising moonglade just slamming units into that same area. Good holds by illusion so far game is getting exciting.
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queens would have been so useful earlier
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moonglade needs to use his queens to heal those ultras
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On May 02 2013 13:29 408xParadox wrote:
Tier 1 Terran > Tier 3 Zerg
Medivacs are tier 3, you can´t fight that with naked bio.
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i must say, i totally underestimated illusion. didn't think he had a chance vs moonglade and alicia. a few good series
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If he had just transfused or tech switched or stopped running his units into their deaths over and over, he would have had this game locked down a long time ago :O
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I want Illusion to win this game just so the Twitch chat looks even more stupid.
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On May 02 2013 13:31 tianGO wrote:Medivacs are tier 3, you can´t fight that with naked bio.
Yeah ultras naked arent suppose to beat MMM., plus making classic tier argument....just makes your argument bad. That BOTTOM BASE though.
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illusion tunnel vision this game....actually both players lol
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moonglade should take the 5oclock to split illusion's attention
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This game is insanely entertaining.
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BEAUTIFUL FUNGALS
GG fungals are back
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NA tunnel vision coming into effect. You'd think progamers would scout actively throughout the game and actually try to defend their outlying bases, but this is NA so I suppose anything can be expected.
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expo won that game for Moonglade wow. Such bad oversight by Illusion.
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Moonglade's taken the bottom right base!
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Awww yeah drope dead Illusion!
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and now we're going to have the same tug-of-war at the 5oclock base
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On May 02 2013 13:36 Thrillz wrote:
Ninja expo won that game for Moonglade wow.
im glad it did. illusion's 1 mining base nearly won him the game...
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Had to get that bottom right base to keep pace. Didn't commit to it nearly enough.
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I wish they had a better observer. That is the only complaint I have. Everything else is acceptable. Just the observing is very shaky. Also- Pip is very annoying.
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yay moonglade :O
too bad for USA though. Goswser will avenge us
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So, why not send some lings to the 3rd base of illusion? both players have been spending almost all of their resources on that one ramp, I dont think illusion has adequatly defended other areas.
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Oh illusion why you no scout
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On May 02 2013 13:35 casualman wrote:
NA tunnel vision coming into effect. You'd think progamers would scout actively throughout the game and actually try to defend their outlying bases, but this is NA so I suppose anything can be expected.
Oh shut up, I've seen this happen in Korean GSL matches before, god I hate this attitude of negativity towards non-Koreans. LoL does a better job at supporting their own players from their respective countries.
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Illusion is dead, spent too much time focusing on that one spot and ignored more important things.
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I'm so disappointed right now. Illusion was so close against Alicia, and this happens.
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MOONGLADE!!!!! So happy :D
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Really nice series to watch, GG.
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GG Glaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaade :D!!!!!!!
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That's my boy! GG Moonglade!
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Canada16217 Posts
Illusion may have lost but that was well fought, great game.
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Not the leanest game but it was entertaining. Great job by Moonglade!
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moonglade is one patient player
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That was a really great game.
0-6 for NA players so far, not so great.
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Wow totally awesome game by both players! Illusion went for so long without scouting the "hidden" base!
Gratz to Moonglade! Totally deserving of his win.
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What's up with the results in OP? BOLD EVERYTHINGGGGGGGG
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Congratulations to all the American's who've made it to the RO16 so far!
+ Show Spoiler +JK, Grats Moonglade
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Very exciting game there. Feel bad for Illusion so close to going through against Alicia then losing it to a guy he beat in the first series. Good games!
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On May 02 2013 13:37 SniXSniPe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 13:35 casualman wrote:
NA tunnel vision coming into effect. You'd think progamers would scout actively throughout the game and actually try to defend their outlying bases, but this is NA so I suppose anything can be expected. Oh shut up, I've seen this happen in Korean GSL matches before, god I hate this attitude of negativity towards non-Koreans. LoL does a better job at supporting their own players from their respective countries.
No, we are going to hate on every none Korean player that plays, even if they make same mistakes Korean players make.
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Yay Moonglade, fun last game.
More Aussies in the ro16 than Americans atm, I'm sure Canada will save NA with Huk/Scarlett!
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The game to show people what not to do heh.
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Oh hell yes, my boy mOOnGLaDe! Sick performance.
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EPIC game. good games in every series.
except for maker's
LOL
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Americans having a hard time advancing
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man........ this means no NA players will be there for the round of 16...
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gg moonglade well played ! happy for australia !
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Illusion gave that game away. Moonglade gave him so many chances to come back by being the most cost inefficient Zerg ever.
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That was one entertaining game. Gratz Moonglade.
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So happy for Moonglade! ^^
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I don't even....
At least Alicia made it.
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On May 02 2013 13:40 derthy wrote:
Illusion gave that game away. Moonglade gave him so many chances to come back by being the most cost inefficient Zerg ever.
uhhh no
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i have to say the results part of the OP is a little off :p
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"The fungals are true!!" -Axeltoss
XD
gg epic game, wp moonglade. sad to see illusion out, he's a promising player.
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Canada16217 Posts
On May 02 2013 13:39 Jackle wrote:
What's up with the results in OP? BOLD EVERYTHINGGGGGGGG
fixing now
edit:
all fixed now
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On May 02 2013 13:40 FindMeInKenya wrote:
man........ this means no NA players will be there for the round of 16...
Scarlett, Major and Huk can do it imho. Huk has to beat Sen, which should be possible. Scarlett has it hardest imho. Major has a chance vs. either alive or hero.
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that last game was really fun to watch. great casting too!
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What did illusion show? He was quite confident lol
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There is no reason why Moonglade wouldn't have defended that base on the side, or counterattacked the base at 12 o'clock (which would've had less units) if it was spotted. I think it was quite simplistic of Axeltoss to suggest that was the only reason Illusion didn't win.
Having said that, it would've definitely changed how the game looked overall.
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Canada16217 Posts
Poll: Recommend Illusion vs mOOnGLaDe game 2?Yes (15) 94% Meh (1) 6% No (0) 0% 16 total votes Your vote: Recommend Illusion vs mOOnGLaDe game 2? (Vote): Yes
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I want to correct those who say there are no Americans, there is a shot still for Idra, Goswser, Suppy and Hellokitty.
Grats to Moonglade
Illusion is definitely a player who could most benefit from the NA scene getting more organized, with sharper play and minding the details he could be a lot bigger.
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On May 02 2013 13:41 RogerChillingworth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 13:40 derthy wrote:
Illusion gave that game away. Moonglade gave him so many chances to come back by being the most cost inefficient Zerg ever. uhhh no
Moonglade was most certainly looking like he gave the game away by being super inefficient. But he did have a crazy bank/eco that he could afford to trade badly. The 6 o'clock base was really pivotal and Illusion made a big oversight in not going there at all.
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On May 02 2013 13:40 derthy wrote:
Illusion gave that game away. Moonglade gave him so many chances to come back by being the most cost inefficient Zerg ever.
pretty sure that since Illusion ran out of money first, that makes him the most cost inefficient, considering they were on equal bases for most of the game :b
again great game!
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ugh so frustrating seeing these US players throw away winnable games... two nights in a row
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I thought his t-shrit said patchzerg, would've been amazing.
Glad to see Moonglade advance, I really like him both as a player and personality.
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Moonglade is such a badass how much you wanna bet he was getting dome while playing that last game?
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congrats Moonglade ! So glad to see the only Aussie move on
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Yey Moonglade :D really happy for him to be moving on to the round of 16, SEA representing !
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On May 02 2013 11:31 ThePowerHour wrote:
It's ok, I think Illusion can take down whoever comes up from the losers' match.
Well, fuck.
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On May 02 2013 13:47 polpot wrote:
Aborigen badass!
Please tell me you aren't trying to say what I think you're trying to say :/
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Wow, HotS has affect GLaDe more than I thought (He said...I believe it was meta that his ZvT was really weak now) if he's dropping games to Maker. Illusion is underrated though, nice to see a good showing from him, even at GLaDe's expense.
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still not a single american (north or south) guy advanced so far ... come on america !!!
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On May 02 2013 13:40 FindMeInKenya wrote:
man........ this means no NA players will be there for the round of 16...
?? illusion is nice but you really sure hes better then scarlett huk idra ... ? xD
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Northern Ireland24354 Posts
Illusion is probably in better shape than the Huk we've seen recently. Scarlett is on a break I thought? Idra and Gowser are probably better in form, but their group is pretty gruesome!
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On May 02 2013 15:21 Wombat_NI wrote:
Illusion is probably in better shape than the Huk we've seen recently. Scarlett is on a break I thought? Idra and Gowser are probably better in form, but their group is pretty gruesome!
Hmm even though he hasn't been playing as well as he used to I'd still rate HuK over Illusion (by some margin), and AFAIK Scarlett is playing her WCS games before the break. Gos might make it out of that nasty group but idra will have to actually turn up if he wants a shot.
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Northern Ireland24354 Posts
I think Huk is a good player don't get me wrong but he has played really, really below par recently. Hopefully he's got something up his sleeve.
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On May 02 2013 15:25 Wombat_NI wrote:
I think Huk is a good player don't get me wrong but he has played really, really below par recently. Hopefully he's got something up his sleeve.
Didn't he do well at dreamhack? with a victory over polt and some other good people
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Northern Ireland24354 Posts
Polt played... I still can't bring myself to talk about it actually
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On May 02 2013 15:25 Wombat_NI wrote:
I think Huk is a good player don't get me wrong but he has played really, really below par recently. Hopefully he's got something up his sleeve.
Yeah, should be good to see.
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Bought some new Redbull Red Edition to support Life, TONIGHT IS GOING TO BE SICK.
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yaaay moonglade advanced!
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Man, Illusion was even closer to advancing than Minigun was. Soooo disappointing to see both those guys barely fall out but I'm still happy for Glade. Looks like Idra might be the last hope for USA now that our best toss and terran are down...
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Oh my god, Moonglade really managed to make it through! Good job, mate! :D
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Alicia and 
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