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DemigodcelpH
Profile Joined August 2011
1138 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-02 12:31:19
May 02 2013 12:30 GMT
#5341
On May 02 2013 21:28 Exarl25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 21:23 DemigodcelpH wrote:
On May 02 2013 21:21 redviper wrote:
On May 02 2013 21:19 Nomzter wrote:
kespa > kespa


Parting isn't KESPA.

Also funny how Mvp with broken wrists was able to roll parting with ease, and the best bw player in the world just went 0-2.


This inconsistency is a trend I've noticed in SC2, is likely because of SC2's lower skill ceiling in my opinion.

I think this is why players can beat people like Flash and Jaedong, because macro is so easy in SC2 that it's not a factor and then it comes down to coin-flips, scouting, and mind games.


This simply isn't true. People were saying it back in 2010 and it was somewhat true then but it's just complete bullshit at this point. We consistently see the superior players tear other high tier contenders apart by straight up outplaying them. Even in BW players would have bad days and upsets would happen, don't even try and rewrite history by pretending that wasn't the case.

+ Show Spoiler +

Then cite some consistency. Even the our legendary SC2 players aren't exactly consistent. Hell, Nestea has lost to a lot of foreigners and he's a 3 time GSL winner.
Steins;Gate
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
1422 Posts
May 02 2013 12:30 GMT
#5342
It would be kind of funny if neither Flash or Life makes it out, let's hope that happens ^^
" Perhaps it's impossible to wear an identity without becoming what you pretend to be. "
LeeDawg
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1306 Posts
May 02 2013 12:30 GMT
#5343
i believe parting!!!!

please don't let me down !!!
:-)
TimENT
Profile Joined November 2012
United States1425 Posts
May 02 2013 12:31 GMT
#5344
On May 02 2013 21:30 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 21:28 BakedButters wrote:
All you Flash fanboys saying Innovation only beat Flash with that cheese. Lol. Flash needs to stop being a robot and be so predictable

Well... he did win with cheese.



In one game. He lost with cheese in another game. He fucked him up in a macro game right after.
Barcelona / Arsenal Fan!
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12911 Posts
May 02 2013 12:31 GMT
#5345
come on Life
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-02 12:31:28
May 02 2013 12:31 GMT
#5346
Life vs PartinG...
The two that started this whole group-of-death business are now the last two to battle it out for a Ro8 spot.
Liquipedia"Expert"
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-02 12:32:38
May 02 2013 12:31 GMT
#5347
On May 02 2013 21:27 Sareth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 21:26 Applesmack wrote:
On May 02 2013 21:24 Wingblade wrote:
On May 02 2013 21:23 DemigodcelpH wrote:
On May 02 2013 21:21 redviper wrote:
On May 02 2013 21:19 Nomzter wrote:
kespa > kespa


Parting isn't KESPA.

Also funny how Mvp with broken wrists was able to roll parting with ease, and the best bw player in the world just went 0-2.


This inconsistency is a trend I've noticed in SC2, is likely because of SC2's lower skill ceiling in my opinion.

I think this is why players can beat people like Flash and Jaedong, because macro is so easy in SC2 that it's not a factor and then it comes down to coin-flips, scouting, and mind games.


Orrrrrrr maybe Flash got outplayed?


Flash did not get outplayed in any of these games IMO. Protoss is much better in the late game than Terran, which is why Parting won game 1. In game 2, he did an all-in.

Flash lost game 1 due to his horrible ghostcontrol, nothing about imbalance.

Flash was ahead the whole game, killed 3rd of toss, took 4th behind it traded armies extremely efficient, had bigger army in the end, loses because storms & feedbacks kill and emp only damage, so parting only had to a-move and storm: the ground army of flash melts away, air army gets hurt and finished by tempests, stalkers etc.
Maybe he chose wrong unit composition, but losing several ghosts to feedback while also killing los of HTs with Snipes wasn't alone the game changer.
I didn't say "imba" but I am sick of seeing terrans to struggle to kill a protoss with storms ready and then the toss can still tech up to just have a superiour a-move (+ Storms) army.
LighT.
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4501 Posts
May 02 2013 12:31 GMT
#5348
On May 02 2013 21:28 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 21:26 LighT. wrote:
On May 02 2013 21:24 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I knew it was a long shot to expect Flash to win an individual league again after the last 2 OSLs.

Hes still a godly player but I feel he's regressing a little bit very slowly.
Like...Roger Federer declining.
He's still top 5 and lots of #2-#4 finishes but not quite that #1 with the best of the best fielded


you know, after Jin Air OSL I knew that TBLS were done for and the inevitable bogus zero soulkey shy(sos) was going to happen.

SC2 just delayed that a bit.

Bogus?
Seriously?
I remember a few people on the bandwagon for him but I would have never figured he'd come this far.
Still waiting on Mini, and Skyhigh on their break throughs
In all honesty, I still think Flash has enough in the tank for at least one WCS/GSL/OSL title, and at most, a 2nd.
Acertos
Profile Joined February 2012
France852 Posts
May 02 2013 12:31 GMT
#5349
On May 02 2013 21:26 Applesmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 21:24 Wingblade wrote:
On May 02 2013 21:23 DemigodcelpH wrote:
On May 02 2013 21:21 redviper wrote:
On May 02 2013 21:19 Nomzter wrote:
kespa > kespa


Parting isn't KESPA.

Also funny how Mvp with broken wrists was able to roll parting with ease, and the best bw player in the world just went 0-2.


This inconsistency is a trend I've noticed in SC2, is likely because of SC2's lower skill ceiling in my opinion.

I think this is why players can beat people like Flash and Jaedong, because macro is so easy in SC2 that it's not a factor and then it comes down to coin-flips, scouting, and mind games.


Orrrrrrr maybe Flash got outplayed?


Flash did not get outplayed in any of these games IMO. Protoss is much better in the late game than Terran, which is why Parting won game 1. In game 2, he did an all-in.

It's also important to note that the late-game army for terran vs protoss hasn't been figured out.
Is it Battlecruisers/vikings/ravens/ghosts, do you need nukes? When is the right time to do the transition? Do you just need to hold and drop behind it?
The Protoss endball has been figured out, the terran one not rly. At least that's how I feel.
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
May 02 2013 12:31 GMT
#5350
Life please win! The universe will cease to make sense if you lose tonight.
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
shineq
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1453 Posts
May 02 2013 12:31 GMT
#5351
Oh wow, CombatEX.
"If you can chill, chill." - Liquid`NonY, "david some do it T>T" - SlayerSBoxeR || Twitter: http://twtter.com/shineqGAMING || http://twitch.tv/shineq
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
May 02 2013 12:31 GMT
#5352
Come on Life! MarineKing/Jangbi have a much better chance against PartinG than you! xD
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rothsbury
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia1654 Posts
May 02 2013 12:31 GMT
#5353
On May 02 2013 21:30 29 fps wrote:
im predicting 375 pages by the end of the night

Sounds about right.

I'm sad my prediction of 500 was wrong. I always let hope interfere with my judgements.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54785 Posts
May 02 2013 12:31 GMT
#5354
On May 02 2013 21:30 Benjamin99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 21:27 opterown wrote:
On May 02 2013 21:25 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Sick. INnoVation first place. lol Flash last

can you LR the rest of the games


Thx for you hard work as always Opterown

no worries your love for stephano carries me strong
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51722 Posts
May 02 2013 12:31 GMT
#5355
On May 02 2013 21:30 Steins;Gate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 21:28 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On May 02 2013 21:26 LighT. wrote:
On May 02 2013 21:24 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I knew it was a long shot to expect Flash to win an individual league again after the last 2 OSLs.

Hes still a godly player but I feel he's regressing a little bit very slowly.
Like...Roger Federer declining.
He's still top 5 and lots of #2-#4 finishes but not quite that #1 with the best of the best fielded


you know, after Jin Air OSL I knew that TBLS were done for and the inevitable bogus zero soulkey shy(sos) was going to happen.

SC2 just delayed that a bit.


Not Jangbi or Fantasy? D:


no the players I mentioned are the next generation.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16849 Posts
May 02 2013 12:31 GMT
#5356
On May 02 2013 21:30 Wintex wrote:
Poll: Head?

Life (22)
 
85%

PartinG (4)
 
15%

26 total votes

Your vote: Head?

(Vote): PartinG
(Vote): Life


Poll: Heart?

Life (14)
 
54%

PartinG (12)
 
46%

26 total votes

Your vote: Heart?

(Vote): PartinG
(Vote): Life


The Bomber boy
ppshchik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States862 Posts
May 02 2013 12:31 GMT
#5357
On May 02 2013 21:29 bgx wrote:
Last time Flash won a major tournament was 2 years ago.


Wristers and SC2'ers will disagree with you.
Legends never die... they end up working in McDonalds.
gamerdude12345
Profile Joined August 2011
Korea (South)378 Posts
May 02 2013 12:31 GMT
#5358
combat ex

#believe
'One does not simply walk into Mordor"
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
May 02 2013 12:31 GMT
#5359
On May 02 2013 21:28 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 21:26 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On May 02 2013 21:25 Thrillz wrote:
On May 02 2013 21:22 opterown wrote:
On May 02 2013 21:21 redviper wrote:
On May 02 2013 21:19 Nomzter wrote:
kespa > kespa


Parting isn't KESPA.

Also funny how Mvp with broken wrists was able to roll parting with ease, and the best bw player in the world just went 0-2.

lol someone's a bit of an mvp fan


lol Mvp had magic that season. I still don't understand how he beat through all those Protosses.


Fun fact - the only player to beat Mvp that season was a protoss.

+ Show Spoiler +
HerO

didn't ryung too


Yes Ryung won the first series, but lost the second series in Ro32 so Mvp advanced. HerO beaet Mvp in the winners match in ro16, but got absolutely demolished by Squirtle
Sareth
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1008 Posts
May 02 2013 12:31 GMT
#5360
On May 02 2013 21:29 DemigodcelpH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 21:27 Sareth wrote:
On May 02 2013 21:26 Applesmack wrote:
On May 02 2013 21:24 Wingblade wrote:
On May 02 2013 21:23 DemigodcelpH wrote:
On May 02 2013 21:21 redviper wrote:
On May 02 2013 21:19 Nomzter wrote:
kespa > kespa


Parting isn't KESPA.

Also funny how Mvp with broken wrists was able to roll parting with ease, and the best bw player in the world just went 0-2.


This inconsistency is a trend I've noticed in SC2, is likely because of SC2's lower skill ceiling in my opinion.

I think this is why players can beat people like Flash and Jaedong, because macro is so easy in SC2 that it's not a factor and then it comes down to coin-flips, scouting, and mind games.


Orrrrrrr maybe Flash got outplayed?


Flash did not get outplayed in any of these games IMO. Protoss is much better in the late game than Terran, which is why Parting won game 1. In game 2, he did an all-in.

Flash lost game 1 due to his horrible ghostcontrol, nothing about imbalance.


Actually because feedback > snipe.

But that wasn't the deciding factor. Protoss having a deathball was.


Yes, it was the deciding factor.
He could have pushed easily for the win midgame if he had not lost so many units unnecessary.
And btw EMP > feedback

And his lategamecomp was shit, why no raven? Ravens are the best lategameunit in TvP and he did not build a single one...
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