I think if EG-TL can bring it to alive and Oz they can go to an ace match, but I think it will be difficult to not get swept by Khan. It all depends on Revival beating Reality imo
So what would it take for EGTL to actually make the playoffs at this point? They're 10-17 and you have to at least break even to make playoffs, but with their map score they need to be 1 game above .500 - 22-20 (minimum). It seems like they need to go at least 12-3 in their remaining games, which only gets harder as the WCS moves on and half their team is busy with other things (as opposed to a much smaller percentage of the KESPA teams). As happy as it would make me, it seems 2 straight 6-1 rounds is unlikely...
On April 30 2013 05:11 bludragen88 wrote: So what would it take for EGTL to actually make the playoffs at this point? They're 10-17 and you have to at least break even to make playoffs, but with their map score they need to be 1 game above .500 - 22-20 (minimum). It seems like they need to go at least 12-3 in their remaining games, which only gets harder as the WCS moves on and half their team is busy with other things (as opposed to a much smaller percentage of the KESPA teams). As happy as it would make me, it seems 2 straight 6-1 rounds is unlikely...
I don't think there is a minimum map score, it's just used for tiebreakers edit: even still, I don't have much hope in EG-TL
EG-TL can't afford to lose many more matches. They have to win this one and then go at least 5-2,5-2 in the next 2 rounds to have a chance at making top 4. With Taeja not able to play in every match it's looking grim.
On April 30 2013 05:23 HotGlueGun wrote: EG-TL can't afford to lose many more matches. They have to win this one and then go at least 5-2,5-2 in the next 2 rounds to have a chance at making top 4. With Taeja not able to play in every match it's looking grim.
win this match and then go 10-4 in the next 2 rounds, lol shit
On April 30 2013 05:11 bludragen88 wrote: So what would it take for EGTL to actually make the playoffs at this point? They're 10-17 and you have to at least break even to make playoffs, but with their map score they need to be 1 game above .500 - 22-20 (minimum). It seems like they need to go at least 12-3 in their remaining games, which only gets harder as the WCS moves on and half their team is busy with other things (as opposed to a much smaller percentage of the KESPA teams). As happy as it would make me, it seems 2 straight 6-1 rounds is unlikely...
I don't think there is a minimum map score, it's just used for tiebreakers edit: even still, I don't have much hope in EG-TL
That's not what he said. Their awful map score means they have to be 1 match ahead of any other team to be placed ahead of them. Since 4 teams make it a 50% record is a reasonable cutoff so they need to be above 50% to make it, meaning they need to be at least 12-3 from now on.
The top vote getters include 4-0 Khan, 4-3 EG-TL, and 4-0 EG-TL, lol. Pretty much sums it up, anything can happen with EG-TL.
The matchups have fallen pretty badly for EG-TL, I can't see Khan winning fewer than 3 matches.
Revival-Reality Revival's looked like shit lately, his only game in HotS was a bad ZvT loss. But Reality's definitely beatable and Revival used to play well before he wuz Cursed.
Hero-Roro Everyone talks about Life but Roro's GSL champion and therefore has a strong claim to being the best player in the world, seeing as he is title holder of the world's hardest tournament. But Hero can beat anyone on his day in a bo1 so anything goes. Roro highly favoured.
JD-Stork Another ZvP for JD, move on. Well JD wins like 20% of his ZvP's and Stork is definitely beatable, being pretty weak in the matchup, so who knows. Better odds for JD than calling a dice roll correctly. Look on the bright side right?
JYP-Jangbi JYP performs like a clock: win-loss-win-loss, always returning to a 50% record, completely independent of EG-TL's wild swings, his opponent, his matchup, or any other variables. He's currently 12-13 in PL so due for a win. Jangbi is definitely beatable in this matchup.
Alive = Turn? Hard to call, we haven't seen enough of Alive yet, and Turn's a completely average player. I'd call it even, if EG-TL wins this, they're probably heading to their ace match destiny.
Oz ?? Kop Two players who can't be pinned down. All we know is neither are very good, but how not good? Again, basically a must-win for EG-TL to force the ace match.
This looks difficult for EG-TL. None of the matchups are that good and we could easily be 0-3 without blinking. And then we kinda have to hope for JD vs RorO in ace. Yuck.
On April 30 2013 14:46 Arceus wrote: turn the healthbar on goddamn it
I personally prefer healthbars for selected units only since always-on healthbars tend to clutter up the screen a bit too much for my taste. That being said, the observer could have done a better job of selecting the Roaches during that one pressure.
Revival is throwing this game so fucking hard. He had a 20 worker lead, and decided to try an all in that is easily stoppable instead of trying something like... winning.
I feel like Coach Park told him to do a nydus follow up. Even though Reality had depots in place and tanks he just went for it instead of trusting his gut.
On April 30 2013 14:57 MinzySC2 wrote: That was literally the biggest throw I have ever seen. I can't even comprehend what the fuck Revival was thinking.
"Oh god, I'm ahead, what the hell do I do now? More roaches? More roaches."
Hmm, really interesting to see different results in the two stadiums. Probably meaningless for most players in reality, but it is possible particular players prefer something about one place to the other, I suppose!
This might become standard. I was thinking earlier that FFE might become only one of a few openings, I even think opening 1 gate expand with core is safer.
SHITNESS a warp prism :O What in every fuck, this is so cool.
Roro bought himself a lot of time by just baiting the army while he pumped out a ton of units and finished roach speed. Hero should've just marched into the base.
On April 30 2013 15:26 Jmanthedragonguy wrote: Roro plays zerg so well. Unlike many others, he actually puts the effort in to slow down incoming pushes by hitting the army from multiple angles. wp
That's the essential thing for BW Zerg to survive. They're used to play like this.
On April 30 2013 15:27 blooblooblahblah wrote: Did Hero do the one gas immortal zealot all in? That build is actually quite strong.
No he did a 1 gate expand into a 6 gate immortal/zealot attack. Really, HerO shouldn't be doing weird builds like this. I don't even know why he's so shaky in PvZ nowadays. Some day he'll go back to toying with the best zergs in the world.
On April 30 2013 15:34 Arceus wrote: never realize zerg is 0% on this map. Wasnt it called Planet Z at some points?
it was planet protoss pretends the map is impossible for them to win on even though they have a winning record against both races Race Stats (non-mirrors): TvZ: 9-19 (32.1%) [ Games ] ZvP: 10-15 (40%) [ Games ] PvT: 9-2 (81.8%) [ Games ] wol korea stats
Hahaha man, Whiplash and I have the same problem when commentating (for me, public speaking). You say a complete sentence, then add a redundant "basically" or "essentially".
Oracle flies in, no defense, spore not even close to being done. "the oracle will not do much here" i cant believe that these guys are master players...
On April 30 2013 15:48 Thinasy wrote: Why is the LR thread so short today, EG.TL is playing?:O
EG is totally failing to promote it, the EG twitter account isn't even active which is how I usually know when to tune in. At least @TeamLiquidPro has been tweeting the results. Also it doesn't help that it's a week night. if I wasn't on the west coast there's no way I could be watching now.
Ok, so every proleague that's on they play the same things during the commercials now.
The APM hands. mind mind mind, the geico pig from the commercial. I feel like i am being trolled half the time. Its such a stoner trip of a video. Is there any like reasoning behind them showing that? Because if thats foreigner only thats awesome.
also I wasn't in the thread earlier but I saw Hero tried to go for the build naniwa used on planet S vs roro and it failed miserably, that was pretty sad to watch.
On April 30 2013 15:56 Dodgin wrote: also I wasn't in the thread earlier but I saw Hero tried to go for the build naniwa used on planet S vs roro and it failed miserably, that was pretty sad to watch.
On April 30 2013 15:56 Dodgin wrote: also I wasn't in the thread earlier but I saw Hero tried to go for the build naniwa used on planet S vs roro and it failed miserably, that was pretty sad to watch.
Feels like it wasn't very well prepared/optimized well which is to be expected due to how little preparation HerO and the EG-TL players had.
On April 30 2013 15:53 actionbastrd wrote: Ok, so every proleague that's on they play the same things during the commercials now.
The APM hands. mind mind mind, the geico pig from the commercial. I feel like i am being trolled half the time. Its such a stoner trip of a video. Is there any like reasoning behind them showing that? Because if thats foreigner only thats awesome.
maybe they think all foreign viewers who have the inclination to watch proleague at those hours are stoners
On April 30 2013 15:53 actionbastrd wrote: Ok, so every proleague that's on they play the same things during the commercials now.
The APM hands. mind mind mind, the geico pig from the commercial. I feel like i am being trolled half the time. Its such a stoner trip of a video. Is there any like reasoning behind them showing that? Because if thats foreigner only thats awesome.
maybe they think all foreign viewers who have the inclination to watch proleague at those hours are stoners
They're right.
I still mute it and alt-tab though, because MINDMINDMINDMIND
On April 30 2013 15:56 Dodgin wrote: also I wasn't in the thread earlier but I saw Hero tried to go for the build naniwa used on planet S vs roro and it failed miserably, that was pretty sad to watch.
He was just warming up for the ace match mang.
I hope.
looked like he was warming up for WCS AM looked good enough to win the group at least
On April 30 2013 15:56 Dodgin wrote: also I wasn't in the thread earlier but I saw Hero tried to go for the build naniwa used on planet S vs roro and it failed miserably, that was pretty sad to watch.
He was just warming up for the ace match mang.
I hope.
looked like he was warming up for WCS AM looked good enough to win the group at least
On April 30 2013 16:07 DarkLordOlli wrote: So JYP is pretty dead.
how so?
Can't hold that nexus.
Well, Jangbi could've just walked across the map and killed him tbh. JYP doesn't have a core, he has 1 sentry and Jangbi has immortals + a phoenix + the oracle.
The casting during that game was quite cringe-worthy. That aside, it still sucks seeing people underestimate the nexus cannon so much. Without it JYP would have won. He had also the right idea by forcing a Nexus cannon at home, but I feel he should have earlier when the motherhip core didn't have enough energy for 2 nexus cannons.
it is always so funny how they say that jangbi wont be able to hold, then maybe will hold with perfect micro then he holds with "normal" micro , but "lost too many probes" and then jyp taps out because he "lost too many workers"
Looking at JYP´s Zealots attacking the "oh so important" Robo one must wonder if he switched screens like the observer who showed us JYP´s mining probes during the battle. Meh.
On April 30 2013 16:12 Tsubbi wrote: are taejas wrist so bad atm that jetlagged hero and jaedong play instead of him?
I don't get Taeja, he plays in GSL and he sometimes is streaming during Proleague. Really wish he'd play PL. At least Alive is a pretty solid Terran these days.
On April 30 2013 16:18 Poffel wrote: Do they pump car exhaust into that gaming studio, or am I missing another reason for their peculiar choice in "music"?
Looking at JYP´s Zealots attacking the "oh so important" Robo one must wonder if he switched screens like the observer who showed us JYP´s mining probes during the battle. Meh.
They showed the mining probes because the oracle lrather attacked the nexus and then just left, instead of killing them off.
On April 30 2013 16:40 evergreensc wrote: What the hell am I watching?
A normal Alive game. The guy is brilliant with solid fundamentals/mechanics to back it. He has the army movement of the best Broodwar players at the height of the game.
On April 30 2013 16:40 evergreensc wrote: What the hell am I watching?
A normal Alive game. The guy is brilliant with solid fundamentals/mechanics to back it. He has the army movement of the best Broodwar players at the height of the game.
On April 30 2013 16:40 evergreensc wrote: What the hell am I watching?
A normal Alive game. The guy is brilliant with solid fundamentals/mechanics to back it. He has the army movement of the best Broodwar players at the height of the game.
you forget this ending syntax: /sarcasm 0
well at least we get to see a non PvP on Auir Spirit
the coach for samsung khan must have a lot of faith in kop's tvp to send him on fighting spirit. iirc the map is 100% win rate for protoss. probably has a good build planned
On April 30 2013 16:43 Vesky wrote: Seriously though, what the hell was with that widow mine defense?
I was thinking he wanted his hellions to shoot each other and kill the mines with splash before the cooldown, but he forgot to attack(?!). Sounds silly, but that was the best I could come up with.
On April 30 2013 16:43 Vesky wrote: Seriously though, what the hell was with that widow mine defense?
Lol, if Turn was a zerg, he'd have a 0% win ratio in ZvT.
Strange-ass game. I swear Alive killed like 30 scv's in the first 15 mins yet somehow Turn was always ahead on workers and took his 3rd way earlier. Then he almost came back to win the game after Alive took a terrible engagement but somehow Alive's army of Usain Bolts was able to outrun the turbovacs and kill his entire fleet and force.
Perhaps the biggest surprise is Alive won, no sweat. Streaming down his face by the bucketful.
On April 30 2013 16:44 Hall0wed wrote: Oz win then praying for Jangbi ace win...
Why would they field JangBi over RorO?
RorO is the overall better player, but JangBi could also be very strong choice considering EGTL's most likely aces will be JD or aLive today.
Then again if Coach Park pulls the madness again and it's HerO, Jangbi might have a hard time. HerO's PvP is damn good atm.
I have a feeling that will not happen this time. HerO has been a good PvP player who just kept losing to Rain. That, and anything can happen in PvP. On the other hand, his PvZ in general has looked shaky for a long time since the latest few months of WoL.
On April 30 2013 16:58 Pwnzer wrote: Just showed up, any of these games been good? Also I'm surprised there arent' more pages for an EGTL match.
Didn't see the first game, the two PvZs were rubbish though. JYP vs JangBi was interesting for a PvP. Alive vs Turn was cheesy into a bit of an anti-climax. Nothing really worth watching so far.
The terrible/awkward chemistry between Whiplash and SNM makes me cringe. The commentary seems like a constant battle to prove one knows more than the other. I appreciate the english stream from SPL but I always end up switching back to Korean.
On April 30 2013 17:01 mythandier wrote: The terrible/awkward chemistry between Whiplash and SNM makes me cringe. The commentary seems like a constant battle to prove one knows more than the other. I appreciate the english stream from SPL but I always end up switching back to Korean.
I think Whiplash is ok, but SNM makes me hate him more every time.
On April 30 2013 16:58 Pwnzer wrote: Just showed up, any of these games been good? Also I'm surprised there arent' more pages for an EGTL match.
Didn't see the first game, the two PvZs were rubbish though. JYP vs JangBi was interesting for a PvP. Alive vs Turn was cheesy into a bit of an anti-climax. Nothing really worth watching so far.
Ahhh thanks for the update. Glad I didn't miss much. At least Code S should be worth watching...
On April 30 2013 17:01 mythandier wrote: The terrible/awkward chemistry between Whiplash and SNM makes me cringe. The commentary seems like a constant battle to prove one knows more than the other. I appreciate the english stream from SPL but I always end up switching back to Korean.
It does seem that way, I think because neither of them have any confidence. Whiplash just said that Oz had a zealot so he should be fine to the 2 hellion runby... they just don't seem to know what to say on the fly so they just make shit up that is just blatantly wrong.
i think the addition of the raven into kop's build is really smart. it's incredibly important for P to know that T is going for mech and react accordingly. the raven prevents the obs from doing that
Oz got the worst possible build order against what Kop was doing. Not sure what triggered the atempt to do a blink attack/harrass midgame but the game was pretty much over the second Kop dropped the factories and Oz his double forge.
On April 30 2013 17:10 smogg wrote: How the fuck do you lose PvT vs mech? Seriously? WTF... Now they have to win at least 11/14 to qualify... It's impossible.
On April 30 2013 17:10 smogg wrote: How the fuck do you lose PvT vs mech? Seriously? WTF... Now they have to win at least 11/14 to qualify... It's impossible.
It's actually not horrible, it's hard to hold in those positions. I actually thought Oz did a pretty decent job. He was trying to snipe the hellbats so that the zealots could connect with the tanks. His composition was pretty fair, I think he needed to take a faster third though.
On April 30 2013 17:10 mythandier wrote: Mech only works if your opponent protoss has no idea what units to make to easily crush it...which somehow just happened in a proleague game
it was cause of the raven and a few marines. oz couldnt scout without losing his obs or hallucinating a phoenix, and i'm fairly certain he never built any sentries...
On April 30 2013 17:12 Harrad wrote: It's not Coach Park's fault, the team is quite simply not up to par imo. Would be pretty unfair if they fired him over this or something.
EG-TL are playing a lot better than last round so I'm sure he is fine.
On April 30 2013 17:10 mythandier wrote: Mech only works if your opponent protoss has no idea what units to make to easily crush it...which somehow just happened in a proleague game
it was cause of the raven and a few marines. oz couldnt scout without losing his obs or hallucinating a phoenix, and i'm fairly certain he never built any sentries...
When he was about to blink up into his base he saw a Raven and 3 tanks, 2 sieged up and 1 not...and think he saw 1 factory
On April 30 2013 17:12 Harrad wrote: It's not Coach Park's fault, the team is quite simply not up to par imo. Would be pretty unfair if they fired him over this or something.
EG-TL are playing a lot better than last round so I'm sure he is fine.
Yet they failed to fulfill the expectations. In the end, better than last round was not enough.
On April 30 2013 17:12 Harrad wrote: It's not Coach Park's fault, the team is quite simply not up to par imo. Would be pretty unfair if they fired him over this or something.
most of them just came back from dreamhack preparation time was minimal. They did quite well even with that in mind.
On April 30 2013 17:10 smogg wrote: How the fuck do you lose PvT vs mech? Seriously? WTF... Now they have to win at least 11/14 to qualify... It's impossible.
mech is good in hots
Seriously? Protoss has Immortals, Archons,Void Rays, High Templar and Collossi, which all HARD counter mech, If you build any 2 out of those 5 you win easily vs mech. But Oz is just terrible. He made DTs and Obsevers he couldn't even scout that Kop was going mech until Kop was ready to push. Just terrible play.
On April 30 2013 17:12 Harrad wrote: It's not Coach Park's fault, the team is quite simply not up to par imo. Would be pretty unfair if they fired him over this or something.
EG-TL are playing a lot better than last round so I'm sure he is fine.
nah they still look terrible when the lost and won with the smallest margin. Anyway cutting off the like of Huk, Tzain or PuMa sure makes them better
On April 30 2013 17:12 Harrad wrote: It's not Coach Park's fault, the team is quite simply not up to par imo. Would be pretty unfair if they fired him over this or something.
EG-TL are playing a lot better than last round so I'm sure he is fine.
Yeah. Also expecting drastic improvements considering he's only been with the team for 1-2 months is unrealistic. There also may be fundamental issues with the players even Coach Park can't do anything about.
On April 30 2013 17:12 Harrad wrote: It's not Coach Park's fault, the team is quite simply not up to par imo. Would be pretty unfair if they fired him over this or something.
EG-TL are playing a lot better than last round so I'm sure he is fine.
Yeah. Also expecting drastic improvements considering he's only been with the team for 1-2 months is unrealistic. There also may be fundamental issues with the players even Coach Park can't do anything about.
On April 30 2013 17:12 Harrad wrote: It's not Coach Park's fault, the team is quite simply not up to par imo. Would be pretty unfair if they fired him over this or something.
EG-TL are playing a lot better than last round so I'm sure he is fine.
Yeah. Also expecting drastic improvements considering he's only been with the team for 1-2 months is unrealistic. There also may be fundamental issues with the players even Coach Park can't do anything about.
Not having a lot of B teamers to practice with seems like the biggest thing they are missing, it must be hard to find people who want to practice on pro league maps that aren't in your team.
On April 30 2013 17:21 Evil_Sheep wrote: Maybe EG-TL should pick up Coca, he looked pretty damn good at DHS. What they really need is Taeja playing every match.
Yes, they let Puzzle slip, now they gotta go for it.
On April 30 2013 17:12 Harrad wrote: It's not Coach Park's fault, the team is quite simply not up to par imo. Would be pretty unfair if they fired him over this or something.
EG-TL are playing a lot better than last round so I'm sure he is fine.
Yeah. Also expecting drastic improvements considering he's only been with the team for 1-2 months is unrealistic. There also may be fundamental issues with the players even Coach Park can't do anything about.
Not having a lot of B teamers to practice with seems like the biggest thing they are missing, it must be hard to find people who want to practice on pro league maps that aren't in your team.
And I'm afraid they won't be able to overcome these issues in the long run. They will just fall further and further behind :/
On April 30 2013 17:21 Evil_Sheep wrote: Maybe EG-TL should pick up Coca, he looked pretty damn good at DHS. What they really need is Taeja playing every match.
or Life when his st contract ends. Heard he's pretty good.
On April 30 2013 17:12 Harrad wrote: It's not Coach Park's fault, the team is quite simply not up to par imo. Would be pretty unfair if they fired him over this or something.
EG-TL are playing a lot better than last round so I'm sure he is fine.
Yeah. Also expecting drastic improvements considering he's only been with the team for 1-2 months is unrealistic. There also may be fundamental issues with the players even Coach Park can't do anything about.
Not having a lot of B teamers to practice with seems like the biggest thing they are missing, it must be hard to find people who want to practice on pro league maps that aren't in your team.
So you're saying that Ethical Child Labor Practices are what is keeping EG-TL from doing as well as the other teams?
On April 30 2013 17:21 Evil_Sheep wrote: Maybe EG-TL should pick up Coca, he looked pretty damn good at DHS. What they really need is Taeja playing every match.
or Life when his contract ends. Heard he was pretty good.
On April 30 2013 17:21 Evil_Sheep wrote: Maybe EG-TL should pick up Coca, he looked pretty damn good at DHS. What they really need is Taeja playing every match.
or Life when his contract ends. Heard he was pretty good.
no wai EG could outbid those teams. Hes been offered 200 supermodels from CJ, lifetime data plan from KT and full family trip to Hawaii from SKT
On April 30 2013 17:12 Harrad wrote: It's not Coach Park's fault, the team is quite simply not up to par imo. Would be pretty unfair if they fired him over this or something.
EG-TL are playing a lot better than last round so I'm sure he is fine.
Yeah. Also expecting drastic improvements considering he's only been with the team for 1-2 months is unrealistic. There also may be fundamental issues with the players even Coach Park can't do anything about.
Not having a lot of B teamers to practice with seems like the biggest thing they are missing, it must be hard to find people who want to practice on pro league maps that aren't in your team.
So you're saying that Ethical Child Labor Practices are what is keeping EG-TL from doing as well as the other teams?
If you're going to argue like that, then they shouldnt have entered proleague in the first place, since that Ethical Child Labor Practice is pretty much part of all the kespa teams' business model.
On April 30 2013 17:12 Harrad wrote: It's not Coach Park's fault, the team is quite simply not up to par imo. Would be pretty unfair if they fired him over this or something.
EG-TL are playing a lot better than last round so I'm sure he is fine.
Yeah. Also expecting drastic improvements considering he's only been with the team for 1-2 months is unrealistic. There also may be fundamental issues with the players even Coach Park can't do anything about.
Not having a lot of B teamers to practice with seems like the biggest thing they are missing, it must be hard to find people who want to practice on pro league maps that aren't in your team.
So you're saying that Ethical Child Labor Practices are what is keeping EG-TL from doing as well as the other teams?
On April 30 2013 17:12 Harrad wrote: It's not Coach Park's fault, the team is quite simply not up to par imo. Would be pretty unfair if they fired him over this or something.
EG-TL are playing a lot better than last round so I'm sure he is fine.
Yeah. Also expecting drastic improvements considering he's only been with the team for 1-2 months is unrealistic. There also may be fundamental issues with the players even Coach Park can't do anything about.
Not having a lot of B teamers to practice with seems like the biggest thing they are missing, it must be hard to find people who want to practice on pro league maps that aren't in your team.
So you're saying that Ethical Child Labor Practices are what is keeping EG-TL from doing as well as the other teams?
lol this is what happens when EG partners with Liquid who bring all their morals to the table.
On April 30 2013 17:12 Harrad wrote: It's not Coach Park's fault, the team is quite simply not up to par imo. Would be pretty unfair if they fired him over this or something.
EG-TL are playing a lot better than last round so I'm sure he is fine.
Yeah. Also expecting drastic improvements considering he's only been with the team for 1-2 months is unrealistic. There also may be fundamental issues with the players even Coach Park can't do anything about.
Not having a lot of B teamers to practice with seems like the biggest thing they are missing, it must be hard to find people who want to practice on pro league maps that aren't in your team.
So you're saying that Ethical Child Labor Practices are what is keeping EG-TL from doing as well as the other teams?
lol this is what happens when EG partners with Liquid who bring all their morals to the table.
On April 30 2013 17:12 Harrad wrote: It's not Coach Park's fault, the team is quite simply not up to par imo. Would be pretty unfair if they fired him over this or something.
EG-TL are playing a lot better than last round so I'm sure he is fine.
Yeah. Also expecting drastic improvements considering he's only been with the team for 1-2 months is unrealistic. There also may be fundamental issues with the players even Coach Park can't do anything about.
Not having a lot of B teamers to practice with seems like the biggest thing they are missing, it must be hard to find people who want to practice on pro league maps that aren't in your team.
So you're saying that Ethical Child Labor Practices are what is keeping EG-TL from doing as well as the other teams?
lol this is what happens when EG partners with Liquid who bring all their morals to the table.
On April 30 2013 17:12 Harrad wrote: It's not Coach Park's fault, the team is quite simply not up to par imo. Would be pretty unfair if they fired him over this or something.
EG-TL are playing a lot better than last round so I'm sure he is fine.
Yeah. Also expecting drastic improvements considering he's only been with the team for 1-2 months is unrealistic. There also may be fundamental issues with the players even Coach Park can't do anything about.
Not having a lot of B teamers to practice with seems like the biggest thing they are missing, it must be hard to find people who want to practice on pro league maps that aren't in your team.
So you're saying that Ethical Child Labor Practices are what is keeping EG-TL from doing as well as the other teams?
lol this is what happens when EG partners with Liquid who bring all their morals to the table.
On April 30 2013 17:12 Harrad wrote: It's not Coach Park's fault, the team is quite simply not up to par imo. Would be pretty unfair if they fired him over this or something.
EG-TL are playing a lot better than last round so I'm sure he is fine.
Yeah. Also expecting drastic improvements considering he's only been with the team for 1-2 months is unrealistic. There also may be fundamental issues with the players even Coach Park can't do anything about.
Not having a lot of B teamers to practice with seems like the biggest thing they are missing, it must be hard to find people who want to practice on pro league maps that aren't in your team.
So you're saying that Ethical Child Labor Practices are what is keeping EG-TL from doing as well as the other teams?
lol this is what happens when EG partners with Liquid who bring all their morals to the table.
Surely you're not serious.
this page is 90% troll 10% hot gas
^^ The lack of B teamer's does hurt them tho.
No, their bteamers are just not up to par. EG and TL have plenty of players. Idra, Stephano, Demuslim, TLO, Ret and more are just not training with the proleague players.
Wasnt a lot of big problems in coaching today imo. Roro > Hero at this time, Revival made a lot of terrible mistakes after the great opening, and Jangbi barely edged it out vs JYP in a nailbiter. Could have easily gone to ace if JYP had won, or Revival, or if both won, the other way completely. Definitely was Revival dropping the ball that hurt today the most.
On April 30 2013 17:40 Confuse wrote: Wasnt a lot of big problems in coaching today imo. Roro > Hero at this time, Revival made a lot of terrible mistakes after the great opening, and Jangbi barely edged it out vs JYP in a nailbiter. Could have easily gone to ace if JYP had won, or Revival, or if both won, the other way completely. Definitely was Revival dropping the ball that hurt today the most.
Agreed. It sucks to get off to a bad start in a series in game that is going well. That, however, seems to be fairly consistent for EG-TL this season. JYP also had a horrible first game in a PvP not long ago. Can't afford to be dropping these games at this point in the season.
On April 30 2013 17:21 Evil_Sheep wrote: Maybe EG-TL should pick up Coca, he looked pretty damn good at DHS. What they really need is Taeja playing every match.
Yes, they let Puzzle slip, now they gotta go for it.
It's kind of a shame, when I think about all the free agents that were sitting on the market the last few months: eg Symbol, Hyun, BBoongBBoong, Squirtle, Brown, Yugioh, Puzzle, Sage, there's probably some others I'm forgetting...it feels like Alive and Oz were kind of panic buys and maybe not the most well thought-out strategy. At least so it appears from the outside.
On April 30 2013 17:10 smogg wrote: How the fuck do you lose PvT vs mech? Seriously? WTF... Now they have to win at least 11/14 to qualify... It's impossible.
mech is good in hots
Seriously? Protoss has Immortals, Archons,Void Rays, High Templar and Collossi, which all HARD counter mech, If you build any 2 out of those 5 you win easily vs mech. But Oz is just terrible. He made DTs and Obsevers he couldn't even scout that Kop was going mech until Kop was ready to push. Just terrible play.
I had to log back in to tell you what a terrible post this is and that you have no idea whatsoever about this game. Oz did an aggressive blink stalker build that did absolutely nothing because Kop had tanks ready. Oz' build has to do damage though, otherwise you're behind. That's what happened. When protoss is behind, a solid way to catch up is to drop double forge because you can use the advantage of chronoboost more directly + you strengthen gateway units you already have invested in before instead of going towards a different higher tech that wouldn't be upgraded. So what does Kop do? Drops 3 factories which Oz doesn't know about and has no way of scouting whatsoever because he just spent his gas on blink, stalkers and now double forge. What's the one thing he's not gonna make vs the tanks he saw? Sentries. So no hallucination scouting. Kop showed a bunch of marines killing a pylon. At that point, everything is indicating a standard bio/tank opening/midgame. Kop has a raven so no observer scouting either. So Oz, already being behind, has no way of actually knowing wtf is going on and gets killed by mech. If he had reacted any differently than he did, he'd have died to a bio/tank push. He just had to take some risks as he was behind and didn't have scouting intel and he ended up taking the wrong ones.
On April 30 2013 17:12 Harrad wrote: It's not Coach Park's fault, the team is quite simply not up to par imo. Would be pretty unfair if they fired him over this or something.
EG-TL are playing a lot better than last round so I'm sure he is fine.
Yet they failed to fulfill the expectations. In the end, better than last round was not enough.
What expectations? Are there honestly people that thought they could go from zero to hero out of nowhere?
On April 30 2013 17:12 Harrad wrote: It's not Coach Park's fault, the team is quite simply not up to par imo. Would be pretty unfair if they fired him over this or something.
EG-TL are playing a lot better than last round so I'm sure he is fine.
Yet they failed to fulfill the expectations. In the end, better than last round was not enough.
What expectations? Are there honestly people that thought they could go from zero to hero out of nowhere?
On April 30 2013 17:12 Harrad wrote: It's not Coach Park's fault, the team is quite simply not up to par imo. Would be pretty unfair if they fired him over this or something.
EG-TL are playing a lot better than last round so I'm sure he is fine.
Yet they failed to fulfill the expectations. In the end, better than last round was not enough.
What expectations? Are there honestly people that thought they could go from zero to hero out of nowhere?
TBH they had the most experienced players in sc2 when they started the competition... All the kespa teams had what, 4-5 months experience tops?
On April 30 2013 17:21 Evil_Sheep wrote: Maybe EG-TL should pick up Coca, he looked pretty damn good at DHS. What they really need is Taeja playing every match.
Yes, they let Puzzle slip, now they gotta go for it.
It's kind of a shame, when I think about all the free agents that were sitting on the market the last few months: eg Symbol, Hyun, BBoongBBoong, Squirtle, Brown, Yugioh, Puzzle, Sage, there's probably some others I'm forgetting...it feels like Alive and Oz were kind of panic buys and maybe not the most well thought-out strategy. At least so it appears from the outside.
Alive is as good as most of those guys, Oz is also a very good player, plus you're assuming that these guys would want to go EGTL.
Still think Liquid should have got Supernova mind, he used to live with HerO after all!
idk who's suggesting that EGTL should pick up even MORE players to start winning...but that is truly a disgusting man city/chelski mentality (if you watch soccer you'll catch the reference)
EGTL is a team of proven players, plus jaedong who actually seems to be their best bet right now. Alive and Oz while not superstars were already solid pickups next to taeja, hero and revival.
May I remind you that Khan is comprised of old timers stork and jangbi (who was the latest in transitioning), breakout star Roro (who far surpassed expectations), and then a whole bunch of rookies with no records whatsoever. Okay so maybe reality beat jaedong a couple times in BW.
Still, every single factor points in favour EGTL winning, at least theoretically.
On April 30 2013 17:12 Harrad wrote: It's not Coach Park's fault, the team is quite simply not up to par imo. Would be pretty unfair if they fired him over this or something.
EG-TL are playing a lot better than last round so I'm sure he is fine.
Yet they failed to fulfill the expectations. In the end, better than last round was not enough.
What expectations? Are there honestly people that thought they could go from zero to hero out of nowhere?
TBH they had the most experienced players in sc2 when they started the competition... All the kespa teams had what, 4-5 months experience tops?
Let's not hide our disappointment...
Experience can only carry you so far and then the world catches up to you. You guys need to stop making excuses.
And it's updated already! So good I picked up Kop, he did amazingly well this week, at least I managed to balance out my horrible trades in the first few weeks at the end, went from like -16 trade "gain" to +4 after all.
4th place in Team LR, not bad but I wanted more! :D
Next time I'll just pick the same team as Scarecrow, he's unreal.
On April 30 2013 15:27 blooblooblahblah wrote: Did Hero do the one gas immortal zealot all in? That build is actually quite strong.
No he did a 1 gate expand into a 6 gate immortal/zealot attack
I am aware he 1 gate expanded, but was it the one gas timing attack that Protoss players were using at dreamhack?
Yes but he did it on belshir vestige and couldn't get his army all the way across the map in time. Roro kept poking at it from behind as it tried to cross with roaches and hero was either going to lose all his units to kiting roaches or waste time hunting them down, and by the time he actually got into position to start the attack, Roro was up 60-70 supply.
On April 30 2013 17:21 Evil_Sheep wrote: Maybe EG-TL should pick up Coca, he looked pretty damn good at DHS. What they really need is Taeja playing every match.
Yes, they let Puzzle slip, now they gotta go for it.
It's kind of a shame, when I think about all the free agents that were sitting on the market the last few months: eg Symbol, Hyun, BBoongBBoong, Squirtle, Brown, Yugioh, Puzzle, Sage, there's probably some others I'm forgetting...it feels like Alive and Oz were kind of panic buys and maybe not the most well thought-out strategy. At least so it appears from the outside.
Alive is as good as most of those guys, Oz is also a very good player, plus you're assuming that these guys would want to go EGTL.
Still think Liquid should have got Supernova mind, he used to live with HerO after all!
They could get Supernova...if EGTL decides to buy the entire Azubu roster. They might win a few more matches that way
On May 01 2013 00:05 shadymmj wrote: idk who's suggesting that EGTL should pick up even MORE players to start winning...but that is truly a disgusting man city/chelski mentality (if you watch soccer you'll catch the reference)
EGTL is a team of proven players, plus jaedong who actually seems to be their best bet right now. Alive and Oz while not superstars were already solid pickups next to taeja, hero and revival.
May I remind you that Khan is comprised of old timers stork and jangbi (who was the latest in transitioning), breakout star Roro (who far surpassed expectations), and then a whole bunch of rookies with no records whatsoever. Okay so maybe reality beat jaedong a couple times in BW.
Still, every single factor points in favour EGTL winning, at least theoretically.
May I remind you that Khan also has a whole bunch of practice partners that you will most likely never get to hear about, who help the A-team players practice and prepare for every single match? And so does every other Kespa team except maybe T8.
It's not about "DURR EG JUST BUY MORE PLAYERS TILL U WIN LOLOL", but when you consider that a significant portion of both of the teams' rosters isn't even in Korea, that leaves EG-TL with less chances and arguably lesser efficiency in their training regime.
On May 01 2013 03:43 sagansagan wrote: what egtl needs to do is remove players like revival and jyp, who cant win games and are just plain bad. not at the same level as the rest
lol? You don't follow proleague much, do you? EDIT: Or any starcraft at all?
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