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The usual: Don't flame casters or players. Don't discuss balance in this or any LR thread. Don't call your fellow posters idiots. Be excited, happy and entertained.
alistarnl
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands144 Posts
March 17 2013 00:29 GMT
#7621
christ start the game already, its 1:30 am over here in europe >.<
Cam Connor
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada786 Posts
March 17 2013 00:29 GMT
#7622
are they waiting for bisons bo5 to finish before they start ret flash or something?
post to be
TL+ Member
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
March 17 2013 00:30 GMT
#7623
On March 17 2013 09:27 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 09:24 Grumbels wrote:
On March 17 2013 09:21 SarcasmMonster wrote:
On March 17 2013 09:17 Iyerbeth wrote:
Round of 32 statistics

Korean vs Non-Korean wins (series): 100%
Korean vs Non-Korean wins (games): 87%


Yikes. I know lots of people here predicted that HOTS would shrink the skill gap for a while everything is still a bit of a mystery but damn.

I don't actually understand it, I was so certain that we'd see a lot of foreigner upsets. What I think might be the case is that because terran is able to play the same as they used to, but with new medivacs, Korean terrans can just crush through all opposition. I think that if the balance was different, with more focus on new units and all-in strategies, we'd see Koreans not doing so well, since they played less HotS.


I think you underestimate KeSPA and their eSports infrastructure. They are very fast at finding out the new strats, timings, and doing targeted practice to learn them. Their coaches aren't just managers; they go out and study the game for their players.

Why only Kespa? ESF is doing the same.
rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
March 17 2013 00:30 GMT
#7624
On March 17 2013 09:29 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 09:28 WhiteSatin wrote:
On March 17 2013 09:16 Grettin wrote:
On March 17 2013 09:14 WhiteSatin wrote:
so MKP just posed

테란 너무 쌔다.... 패치좀 해주세요 ㅠㅠ 제발

on his Facebook account.
Which means "Terran's too op... fix it please"

First time I don't agree with MKP !
I think they need to wait a bit more.


apparently Taeja said the same thing according to smix


In that regard...
When Terrans are slightly strong or even abit OP, Terran players themselves are very ncie at openly say it.
I think we still need to wait to nerf in HOTS, but whether it's true or not, many players are open about what they think it's a tad too strong.

While in the last period (6-7 months) of WoL when Z was CLEARLY broken, during interviews no Zerg player would admit the imbalance, I remember reading stuff from Symbol, HyuN, Sniper, etc. all saying that players needed to adapt and it wasn't broken lol.
Just sayin'...


I remember Life straight-up admitting it while laughing.


drg said it was imba and that he didn't like it because it made other zergs equal to him
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16849 Posts
March 17 2013 00:30 GMT
#7625
Are anyone else getting these damn ads that open on mouseover on TL. Please remove these major annoyances..Adblocking my favorite site on the web is not something I want to do.
The Bomber boy
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16125 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-17 00:31:09
March 17 2013 00:30 GMT
#7626
On March 17 2013 09:24 Grumbels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 09:21 SarcasmMonster wrote:
On March 17 2013 09:17 Iyerbeth wrote:
Round of 32 statistics

Korean vs Non-Korean wins (series): 100%
Korean vs Non-Korean wins (games): 87%


Yikes. I know lots of people here predicted that HOTS would shrink the skill gap for a while everything is still a bit of a mystery but damn.

I don't actually understand it, I was so certain that we'd see a lot of foreigner upsets. What I think might be the case is that because terran is able to play the same as they used to, but with new medivacs, Korean terrans can just crush through all opposition. I think that if the balance was different, with more focus on new units and all-in strategies, we'd see Koreans not doing so well, since they played less HotS.


Dude I don't understand at all how you thought the foreigners had any chance.

Did you even play in the beta? Everything about HoTS has made the skill cap for each race go up, the multitasking requirements for Zerg and Protoss have been substantially increased both to deal with what their opponents can throw at them and also to maximize their new units. And that bodes poorly for the foreign scene whose best players are by and large exclusively Zerg and Protoss players.

The metagame right now completely favors the way that Koreans like to play.

What ever gave you the idea that HoTS would make things easier for foreigners? Everything I saw in beta said the exact opposite.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
March 17 2013 00:30 GMT
#7627
They've already said that there are technical difficulties delaying Flash vs Ret.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
XiGua
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden3085 Posts
March 17 2013 00:31 GMT
#7628
Ghosts are not Justin Bieber, iNcontrol.
ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) APM, Why u make me spam?
SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
March 17 2013 00:31 GMT
#7629
On March 17 2013 09:27 sc2holar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 09:25 SarcasmMonster wrote:
MVP > MC > Flash for winning MLG imo

thats just fanboyism. i think MVP is a better player in general but MC looks to be in better shape in this tournament. most other korean terrans actually performed better in R32 than MVP did.


Poll: Who is more likely to win MLG?

MVP (27)
 
75%

MC (9)
 
25%

36 total votes

Your vote: Who is more likely to win MLG?

(Vote): MVP
(Vote): MC

MMA: The true King of Wings
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
March 17 2013 00:31 GMT
#7630
On March 17 2013 09:30 Wintex wrote:
Are anyone else getting these damn ads that open on mouseover on TL. Please remove these major annoyances..Adblocking my favorite site on the web is not something I want to do.

you should go here and report them

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=312942

"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
March 17 2013 00:31 GMT
#7631
Ruler is out
Fuck Razor and Death Prophet
WigglingSquid
Profile Joined August 2011
5194 Posts
March 17 2013 00:31 GMT
#7632
Obnoxious widowmine of the day.
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
March 17 2013 00:31 GMT
#7633
supply block by jjakji
jjakji fan
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
March 17 2013 00:31 GMT
#7634
Slap with the ruler, very nice.
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
March 17 2013 00:32 GMT
#7635
The reason Flash vs Ret hasnt started is because MC, Mvp and Flash had a sojuparty in Flash's booth. No zerg allowed.
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FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
March 17 2013 00:32 GMT
#7636
We will wait.

Ret and Killer will most likely dropped out.

Seeing whether Life can pull a Fruitdealer here



Play your best
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-17 00:32:49
March 17 2013 00:32 GMT
#7637
On March 17 2013 09:30 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 09:27 Azarkon wrote:
On March 17 2013 09:24 Grumbels wrote:
On March 17 2013 09:21 SarcasmMonster wrote:
On March 17 2013 09:17 Iyerbeth wrote:
Round of 32 statistics

Korean vs Non-Korean wins (series): 100%
Korean vs Non-Korean wins (games): 87%


Yikes. I know lots of people here predicted that HOTS would shrink the skill gap for a while everything is still a bit of a mystery but damn.

I don't actually understand it, I was so certain that we'd see a lot of foreigner upsets. What I think might be the case is that because terran is able to play the same as they used to, but with new medivacs, Korean terrans can just crush through all opposition. I think that if the balance was different, with more focus on new units and all-in strategies, we'd see Koreans not doing so well, since they played less HotS.


I think you underestimate KeSPA and their eSports infrastructure. They are very fast at finding out the new strats, timings, and doing targeted practice to learn them. Their coaches aren't just managers; they go out and study the game for their players.

Why only Kespa? ESF is doing the same.


I think ESF is less organized than KeSPA, but yeah, they're doing the same.
Taipoka
Profile Joined November 2012
Brazil1224 Posts
March 17 2013 00:32 GMT
#7638
Hey. The ruler
And in the 7th day, Flash stopped macroing the universe.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
March 17 2013 00:32 GMT
#7639
LOL they're showing the benq icon on the monitor during a game seriously
Durp
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada3117 Posts
March 17 2013 00:32 GMT
#7640
Rain with that awesome static D timings
SOOOOOooooOOOOooooOOOOoo Many BANELINGS!!
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