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The usual: Don't flame casters or players. Don't discuss balance in this or any LR thread. Don't call your fellow posters idiots. Be excited, happy and entertained.
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
March 16 2013 21:48 GMT
#5021
On March 17 2013 06:47 Sejanus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 06:46 bittman wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:44 Fionn wrote:
Creator throws away an army in the middle of the map without storm.

"OH MY GOD PROTOSS CAN NEVER WIN. THIS IS A TRAVESTY"



Don't come in here with your "logic" and "sarcasm".


Right. Facts are imba please don't use them in balance discussions

Surely people aren't trying to use an LR thread for balance discussions?
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
March 16 2013 21:48 GMT
#5022
Even Opterown would know that Creator fucked up there.
The Bomber boy
pedrlz
Profile Joined September 2012
Brazil5234 Posts
March 16 2013 21:48 GMT
#5023
#Vengeance
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
March 16 2013 21:48 GMT
#5024
On March 17 2013 06:46 Dwayn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 06:41 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Potential balance issues aside.... These speed medivacs make for good entertainment imo, Constant aggression and attacks multi prong attacks etc. much better to watch then turtle up death balls.

But it's just constant aggression in one direction...

Small zergling runbys, protoss warp ins from a proxy pylon or warp prism can put on counter pressure too. Hard to think of/do when under pressure but when Terran has so much in their drop ships it can be super effective.
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
March 16 2013 21:48 GMT
#5025
On March 17 2013 06:48 Wintex wrote:
Even Opterown would know that Creator fucked up there.

'tis why he's so quiet.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-16 21:50:02
March 16 2013 21:48 GMT
#5026
On March 17 2013 06:45 Grumbels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 06:37 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:35 Grumbels wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:32 Diavlo wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:26 Grumbels wrote:
Honestly, if Flash would practice only four hours a day living at home in NA, he'd still be better than all foreigners. Talent also plays a role and Korea has always had more competitive players and higher status for professional gamers. (not more players)


What's your point exactly? That the most talented player could play only 4 hours a day and be better than the best foreigners who play a lot (which we know they don't)?

Yeah, maybe, or maybe Flash is what he is because he works harder and plays more than everybody else (which we know he is).


My point is that people whine about 'foreigners need to practice more', but that's not it. Our players are less talented. Flash isn't good because he practices more than others, that's not why he won an OSL at age 15 (with a huge practice deficit compared to more experienced players). Life won a GSL and was still in school.


But...that is why Life won the GSL. He started practicing more seriously 3-4 months before GSL October, and he was playing the game since January 2011.

No, Life was already very good before, way better than any foreigner. And I kind of doubt he practiced more than his team mates, yet he was still better.

I don't understand this obsession TL has with denying that the top Koreans are simply more talented. Maybe some of them very obviously base their play on practice and mechanical ability, like Bomber, but for the best players that's only part of their skill. Life and Flash and Rain would still be better than any foreigner if they were to have moved to NA at the start of SC2 to play semi-professionally while studying.


He was losing to low-level foreigners prior to his GSTL all-kill against TL. He was garbage in ZvT and ZvP for a very long time and lost to literally every top-level Korean player from any race.

Because talent simply does not exist. No one ever got good at anything without effort and practice.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
JonIrenicus
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Italy602 Posts
March 16 2013 21:48 GMT
#5027
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
March 16 2013 21:48 GMT
#5028
On March 17 2013 06:47 Sent. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 06:42 iky43210 wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:41 Noocta wrote:
The anti terran biais on Twitter from community figures is disgusting.
Just looking at the names, almost none of the match played would have had differents results in WoL so far.


Because we don't have a single community figures that plays terran, except for qxc. And I'm not even sure if he counts as a community figures.

Which sucks, cause those casters have no idea and don't bother analyze the quarks and BO of terrans. Husky does the best job of all


Isn't Gretorp Terran?

I think he switched races
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TL+ Member
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
March 16 2013 21:49 GMT
#5029
The way Creator played it doesn't look like he played alot of HoTS at all yet.
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
March 16 2013 21:49 GMT
#5030
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Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-16 21:49:18
March 16 2013 21:49 GMT
#5031
On March 17 2013 06:48 KristofferAG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 06:48 Wintex wrote:
Even Opterown would know that Creator fucked up there.

'tis why he's so quiet.

He's at work, silly. ^^ (i think)
The Bomber boy
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
March 16 2013 21:49 GMT
#5032
On March 17 2013 06:48 KristofferAG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 06:47 Sejanus wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:46 bittman wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:44 Fionn wrote:
Creator throws away an army in the middle of the map without storm.

"OH MY GOD PROTOSS CAN NEVER WIN. THIS IS A TRAVESTY"



Don't come in here with your "logic" and "sarcasm".


Right. Facts are imba please don't use them in balance discussions

Surely people aren't trying to use an LR thread for balance discussions?


Surely, such a thing has never happened on TL?
AdministratorBreak the chains
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-16 21:50:36
March 16 2013 21:49 GMT
#5033
I think creator's terrible terrible engagement was what mainly lost him the game for sure, but I'm still not particularly sure speeevacs should remain as is. That's just my biased opinion though

And its not like terran is destroying toss or zerg really, so all's good
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
March 16 2013 21:49 GMT
#5034
On March 17 2013 06:47 Fionn wrote:
Creator walked his colossi into viking fire, lost of all of them, and then had a shit ground army against kiting MMM.

Call me when he doesn't lose the first big battle of the game, fall behind economically, and then get beat by a dude who has a lead and has the luxury of trading units in his ferrarivacs.


Thankyou Fionn, the voice of reason <3
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
March 16 2013 21:49 GMT
#5035
On March 17 2013 06:48 KristofferAG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 06:47 Sejanus wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:46 bittman wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:44 Fionn wrote:
Creator throws away an army in the middle of the map without storm.

"OH MY GOD PROTOSS CAN NEVER WIN. THIS IS A TRAVESTY"



Don't come in here with your "logic" and "sarcasm".


Right. Facts are imba please don't use them in balance discussions

Surely people aren't trying to use an LR thread for balance discussions?

I hope not. IT'S AGAINST THE RULES!
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
March 16 2013 21:49 GMT
#5036
On March 17 2013 06:42 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 06:41 bittman wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:40 pvpeep wrote:
Yeah medivacs seem too strong....


They dont look stronger than WoL. I've seen the exact same level of dismantling happen in WoL too by players like Polt.


I think people get worried when players don't instantly learn to hold off aggression. Creator was really good at defense in WoL and he dealt with several drops nicely this game as well - but Polt is pretty good at this marauder business.


Creator defended really well and then decided to throw the game with the worst possible engagement, losing all colossai without doing any damage.
After that it was Polt having the better and bigger army and Creator hadn't got enough to defend all of his bases. He also didn't/couldn't spend minerals on cannons.

Also before that one big engagement Creator had a huge supply-block. Before that supply-block supplies were even but then Creator went up to over 1k minerals and Polt was 20 supply ahead.
Just ahead of time, know your addiction's not a crime. It's just a smaller part of who you want to become in the end.
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
March 16 2013 21:49 GMT
#5037
On March 17 2013 06:48 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 06:47 Sent. wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:42 iky43210 wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:41 Noocta wrote:
The anti terran biais on Twitter from community figures is disgusting.
Just looking at the names, almost none of the match played would have had differents results in WoL so far.


Because we don't have a single community figures that plays terran, except for qxc. And I'm not even sure if he counts as a community figures.

Which sucks, cause those casters have no idea and don't bother analyze the quarks and BO of terrans. Husky does the best job of all


Isn't Gretorp Terran?

I think he switched races

He mains Random but plays Terran best.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
March 16 2013 21:49 GMT
#5038
On March 17 2013 06:48 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 06:47 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:46 AgentW wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:45 stuchiu wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:45 AgentW wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:44 Fionn wrote:
Creator throws away an army in the middle of the map without storm.

"OH MY GOD PROTOSS CAN NEVER WIN. THIS IS A TRAVESTY"


You may be a bit biased here....


I couldn't possibly see why.

Wait, you're not Fionn!

TL writer hivemind. They are all the same. and all bad at predictions


We need a writer bot

(I can't believe i missed the oppurtunity to make a 3k blog; oh well - I guess I'll wait for 4k)

My 3k post was pretty bad. So was my 2k for that matter. We should collaborate for 4k ^^
Tobblish
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden6404 Posts
March 16 2013 21:49 GMT
#5039
On March 17 2013 06:48 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 06:47 Sent. wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:42 iky43210 wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:41 Noocta wrote:
The anti terran biais on Twitter from community figures is disgusting.
Just looking at the names, almost none of the match played would have had differents results in WoL so far.


Because we don't have a single community figures that plays terran, except for qxc. And I'm not even sure if he counts as a community figures.

Which sucks, cause those casters have no idea and don't bother analyze the quarks and BO of terrans. Husky does the best job of all


Isn't Gretorp Terran?

I think he switched races


I'm fairly sure he is Terran but he plays random.
The curse is real
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
March 16 2013 21:49 GMT
#5040
On March 17 2013 06:46 KristofferAG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 06:45 Lysanias wrote:
On March 17 2013 06:43 monkybone wrote:
It's gonna look OP when Polt has 200 supply and creator has 110 supply.


The fact that Terran can expand at his pleasure makes sure of that yeah.

Any race can expand whenever they want to, and feel safe, when they have the upper hand in a game.


Very true, though non can "zone" as well atm as Terran can and feel very save with it, atleast for the time being, sinds other races seem to struggle with that atm to be able to expand themselfs and to prefent terran from doing so.
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