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On December 24 2012 06:59 NeutralDepot wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 06:55 movac wrote:
my god! do wolf and khaldor ever stop casting? it seems like almost everything get's casted by them LOL. it's like they never run out of energy. Hm and it's not like casting is any hard to do. It's a job which requires zero preparation and training actually. So why wouldn't they work. Compare that to people who work 10 hours a day in a job or players who actually have to practice to play the games the casters cast.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL :D Thank you, that made my day ^^
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On December 24 2012 07:09 ACrow wrote:Khaldor + Wolf? I like their casting, it's very good now!
A french caster i think.
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On December 24 2012 07:09 ACrow wrote:Khaldor + Wolf? I like their casting, it's very good now!
I think he means on the French stream.
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On December 24 2012 07:09 ACrow wrote:Khaldor + Wolf? I like their casting, it's very good now!
If I understood enough French, I'd watch the French stream, too, production is just way better still, with a real set and all.
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On December 24 2012 07:07 ACrow wrote:
Who is this Miniraser, never heard of him before.
A pretty decent but not especially notable zerg on Western Wolves.
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On December 24 2012 07:05 Qwerty85 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 07:02 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 24 2012 06:59 JJH777 wrote:
Disappointing. Just another Terran losing. Sting winning IEM singapore really was a miracle. I almost wish he didn't so that I could say Terran hasn't won a big tournament in 4 months but oh well anyone who's not biased knows they are the worst race right now. Just because a Terran loses a game doesn't mean it exemplifies ZvT imbalance and warrants balance whining. That is true but you also must admit that in 2012 you have 0 terrans with what you would say "good TvZ". Although Mvp has a lot of fans, it is not just about him losing, to me it is more about how no terrans really have good TvZ anymore. You have occasional terran that shines for a couple of weeks but no terrans that have TvZ as their strongest matchup for a longer period of time. Makes you wonder...
I rather get the feeling that if the current Zerg dominance continues for another few months SC2 will just be left with only zergs watching and having a circle jerk about how awesome all zerg is.
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On December 24 2012 07:05 Qwerty85 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 07:02 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 24 2012 06:59 JJH777 wrote:
Disappointing. Just another Terran losing. Sting winning IEM singapore really was a miracle. I almost wish he didn't so that I could say Terran hasn't won a big tournament in 4 months but oh well anyone who's not biased knows they are the worst race right now. Just because a Terran loses a game doesn't mean it exemplifies ZvT imbalance and warrants balance whining. That is true but you also must admit that in 2012 you have 0 terrans with what you would say "good TvZ". Although Mvp has a lot of fans, it is not just about him losing, to me it is more about how no terrans really have good TvZ anymore. You have occasional terran that shines for a couple of weeks but no terrans that have TvZ as their strongest matchup for a longer period of time. Makes you wonder...
I'm not saying that the match-up doesn't deserve scrutiny.
I'm saying that we don't need to hear balance whining when Mvp loses to a traditional roach rush, because that has nothing to do with infestors or queen range or the patch or anything like that. And it's not like the current #1 Terran was just destroyed after playing perfectly against a no-name Zerg.
There's a time and a place for these discussions. And I don't think Stephano vs. Mvp warranted any balance complaints.
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On December 24 2012 07:10 Khaldor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 06:59 NeutralDepot wrote:On December 24 2012 06:55 movac wrote:
my god! do wolf and khaldor ever stop casting? it seems like almost everything get's casted by them LOL. it's like they never run out of energy. Hm and it's not like casting is any hard to do. It's a job which requires zero preparation and training actually. So why wouldn't they work. Compare that to people who work 10 hours a day in a job or players who actually have to practice to play the games the casters cast. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL :D Thank you, that made my day ^^
Love the cast so far  Keep up the good work!
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On December 24 2012 06:59 NeutralDepot wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 06:55 movac wrote:
my god! do wolf and khaldor ever stop casting? it seems like almost everything get's casted by them LOL. it's like they never run out of energy. Hm and it's not like casting is any hard to do. It's a job which requires zero preparation and training actually. So why wouldn't they work. Compare that to people who work 10 hours a day in a job or players who actually have to practice to play the games the casters cast.
You are an idiot. Khaldor (and wolf) is a boss and it is abundantly clear casters put a ton of hours into their work.
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On December 24 2012 07:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 07:05 Qwerty85 wrote:On December 24 2012 07:02 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 24 2012 06:59 JJH777 wrote:
Disappointing. Just another Terran losing. Sting winning IEM singapore really was a miracle. I almost wish he didn't so that I could say Terran hasn't won a big tournament in 4 months but oh well anyone who's not biased knows they are the worst race right now. Just because a Terran loses a game doesn't mean it exemplifies ZvT imbalance and warrants balance whining. That is true but you also must admit that in 2012 you have 0 terrans with what you would say "good TvZ". Although Mvp has a lot of fans, it is not just about him losing, to me it is more about how no terrans really have good TvZ anymore. You have occasional terran that shines for a couple of weeks but no terrans that have TvZ as their strongest matchup for a longer period of time. Makes you wonder... I'm not saying that the match-up doesn't deserve scrutiny. I'm saying that we don't need to hear balance whining when Mvp loses to a traditional roach rush, because that has nothing to do with infestors or queen range or the patch or anything like that. And it's not like the current #1 Terran was just destroyed after playing perfectly against a no-name Zerg. There's a time and a place for these discussions. And I don't think Stephano vs. Mvp warranted any balance complaints.
Well the whole reason the roach rush worked in the first place is because Terran is forced into a very greedy 3 oc hellion banshee build...but as you said, time and place.
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On December 24 2012 07:10 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 07:09 ACrow wrote:On December 24 2012 07:08 Makro wrote:
god i hate moman casting ... Khaldor + Wolf? I like their casting, it's very good now! A french caster i think.
I know, I was suggesting to tune into the English stream, as Khaldor+Wolf might be a good alternative. Sorry for being unclear 
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strangely enough, right now I think flash has the best TvZ in the world. his recent games have been incredible
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On December 24 2012 07:03 Picklebread wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 07:02 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 24 2012 06:59 JJH777 wrote:
Disappointing. Just another Terran losing. Sting winning IEM singapore really was a miracle. I almost wish he didn't so that I could say Terran hasn't won a big tournament in 4 months but oh well anyone who's not biased knows they are the worst race right now. As much as I love Mvp and dislike Stephano, it was pretty clear that Mvp didn't deserve to win that set. Not because "boo hoo he's Terran", but because he just hasn't been playing as well as he used to. Just because a Terran loses a game doesn't mean it exemplifies ZvT imbalance and warrants balance whining. Yeah MVP needs to heal. He'll always be good at coming up with strategys, and knowing how to execute them, but since his wrist injury it just looks scrappy as hell.
You cannot afford to play blind. The four hellions opening has been pretty outdated since the queen range buff; whereas, the roach timings have been common practice for longer too.
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On December 24 2012 07:16 aventem wrote:
strangely enough, right now I think flash has the best TvZ in the world. his recent games have been incredible
Thank you, i needed the laugh.
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On December 24 2012 07:16 aventem wrote:
strangely enough, right now I think flash has the best TvZ in the world. his recent games have been incredible
Hard to tell in Bo1's on newer maps vs Kespa zergs tho. He has looked good tho.
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Come on, Mana, at least win a game...
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On December 24 2012 07:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 07:05 Qwerty85 wrote:On December 24 2012 07:02 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 24 2012 06:59 JJH777 wrote:
Disappointing. Just another Terran losing. Sting winning IEM singapore really was a miracle. I almost wish he didn't so that I could say Terran hasn't won a big tournament in 4 months but oh well anyone who's not biased knows they are the worst race right now. Just because a Terran loses a game doesn't mean it exemplifies ZvT imbalance and warrants balance whining. That is true but you also must admit that in 2012 you have 0 terrans with what you would say "good TvZ". Although Mvp has a lot of fans, it is not just about him losing, to me it is more about how no terrans really have good TvZ anymore. You have occasional terran that shines for a couple of weeks but no terrans that have TvZ as their strongest matchup for a longer period of time. Makes you wonder... I'm not saying that the match-up doesn't deserve scrutiny. I'm saying that we don't need to hear balance whining when Mvp loses to a traditional roach rush, because that has nothing to do with infestors or queen range or the patch or anything like that. And it's not like the current #1 Terran was just destroyed after playing perfectly against a no-name Zerg. There's a time and a place for these discussions. And I don't think Stephano vs. Mvp warranted any balance complaints.
It is related to infestor/queen balance actually if you consider that to be able to counter this build, you have to play the way Mvp did. In the end, it exposes you to those kind of push, and you end up losing. That's also why the muta/bling style came back, you can use it because some terrans feel obliged to play hellion into banshee which is sensible to good muta utilisation.
There is a reason a lot of terran have been very greedy, and it's obviously because it's the only way they have found to win. Now I'm not saying it is impossible to win with another way, but almost no terran has come up with it until now. But well I agree, no need to whine about this in here, let's just wait to see if the game changes in the right direction with the next patch (january I heard?).
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On December 24 2012 07:17 ColtraneL wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 07:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 24 2012 07:05 Qwerty85 wrote:On December 24 2012 07:02 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 24 2012 06:59 JJH777 wrote:
Disappointing. Just another Terran losing. Sting winning IEM singapore really was a miracle. I almost wish he didn't so that I could say Terran hasn't won a big tournament in 4 months but oh well anyone who's not biased knows they are the worst race right now. Just because a Terran loses a game doesn't mean it exemplifies ZvT imbalance and warrants balance whining. That is true but you also must admit that in 2012 you have 0 terrans with what you would say "good TvZ". Although Mvp has a lot of fans, it is not just about him losing, to me it is more about how no terrans really have good TvZ anymore. You have occasional terran that shines for a couple of weeks but no terrans that have TvZ as their strongest matchup for a longer period of time. Makes you wonder... I'm not saying that the match-up doesn't deserve scrutiny. I'm saying that we don't need to hear balance whining when Mvp loses to a traditional roach rush, because that has nothing to do with infestors or queen range or the patch or anything like that. And it's not like the current #1 Terran was just destroyed after playing perfectly against a no-name Zerg. There's a time and a place for these discussions. And I don't think Stephano vs. Mvp warranted any balance complaints. It is related to infestor/queen balance actually if you consider that to be able to counter this build, you have to play the way Mvp did. In the end, it exposes you to those kind of push, and you end up losing. That's also why the muta/bling style came back, you can use it because some terrans feel obliged to play hellion into banshee which is sensible to good muta utilisation. There is a reason a lot of terran have been very greedy, and it's obviously because it's the only way they have found to win. Now I'm not saying it is impossible to win with another way, but almost no terran has come up with it until now. But well I agree, no need to whine about this in here, let's just wait to see if the game changes in the right direction with the next patch (january I heard?).
Actually, if the terran goes marine tank on 3 bases and pushes on his 2 2 1, he is in a good shape against zerg.
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Btw they said on the french stream that the bracket will be released at the end of the show. =)
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On December 24 2012 07:17 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 07:16 aventem wrote:
strangely enough, right now I think flash has the best TvZ in the world. his recent games have been incredible Thank you, i needed the laugh.
why so rude? Flash demolished DRG like 2 weeks ago and then DRG went and killed Mvp, herO, Leenock and should've beaten Parting and Life but he pissed the games away.
also Flash has been doing well in Proleague.
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