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WigglingSquid
Profile Joined August 2011
5194 Posts
November 27 2012 19:21 GMT
#181
On November 28 2012 04:16 GreenFate wrote:
Looks to me on the photos that the foreign team looks like a group a cool tourists, whereas the Korean look more like a death squad.

That's just Seed. He looks like the secret son of Bruce Lee on a quest for vengeance.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
November 27 2012 19:27 GMT
#182
On November 28 2012 04:16 GreenFate wrote:
Looks to me on the photos that the foreign team looks like a group a cool tourists, whereas the Korean look more like a death squad.

Well, GOM has photo sessions for getting pics like that, for foreigners you have to rely on random event photos.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
November 27 2012 19:37 GMT
#183
On November 28 2012 02:17 Wingblade wrote:
The foreigners honestly have to win both of the first two rounds to have a shot in this whole thing. There isn't a player on that World team who can beat Life in a best of 3. Keep in mind the only person to do that in the last few months is Soulkey, who blatantly stated in his interview that he spent the whole week preparing for Life, and only Life.


Flash also did it at MLG in their first series.
Durlamor
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada40 Posts
November 27 2012 19:49 GMT
#184
On November 28 2012 02:33 FindMeInKenya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 00:36 dgwow wrote:
Would have preferred Leenock Life Sniper/Hyun Bogus and PartinG/Squirtle as Korean Team

foreigner team is pretty much all the best people


Replace Nani/Lucifron or Scarlett with SEn and we would have a stronger team?



Replacing Scarlett with Sen is not at all a good idea. Scarlett beat Sen 3-0 to qualify and her match up is a ZvZ. Add in that she won ZvZs for both the WCS Canada and North America finals and beat both Nerchio and Moonglade at BWC, then you've got right there a bonfire ZvZ monster. Meanwhile, Sen couldn't even beat her for the spot.

So honestly, who is a better option to throw into the series only ZvZ matchup? ZvZ monster or person who was beaten by ZvZ monster.
aznball123
Profile Joined February 2012
2759 Posts
November 27 2012 19:51 GMT
#185
Go Terran guy!!!!!!!!!!
Mmm, what to watch.
Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
November 27 2012 20:46 GMT
#186
On November 28 2012 04:37 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 02:17 Wingblade wrote:
The foreigners honestly have to win both of the first two rounds to have a shot in this whole thing. There isn't a player on that World team who can beat Life in a best of 3. Keep in mind the only person to do that in the last few months is Soulkey, who blatantly stated in his interview that he spent the whole week preparing for Life, and only Life.


Flash also did it at MLG in their first series.


Life got him back later though, and got him back pretty convincingly. Plus, he isn't playing for the World team. They have to win both this round and the all-kill team league round.
PartinG fanboy to the max, Rain/Squirtle/Dear/Scarlett/Bbyong are cool too. I don't always watch Dota2 but when I do I have no clue what's going on. GOGO POWER RANGERS
Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
November 27 2012 20:52 GMT
#187
On November 28 2012 02:22 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 02:17 Wingblade wrote:
The foreigners honestly have to win both of the first two rounds to have a shot in this whole thing. There isn't a player on that World team who can beat Life in a best of 3. Keep in mind the only person to do that in the last few months is Soulkey, who blatantly stated in his interview that he spent the whole week preparing for Life, and only Life.

Elfi went up 2-0 in TSL4 but lost 2-3 in the end. Elfi should have been on the world team!


That was an eternity ago when we're talking about life. Before he started ripping up nerds and winning titles in Korea and in MLG. Elfi would get badly 3-0ed in a best of 5 if they played right now.
PartinG fanboy to the max, Rain/Squirtle/Dear/Scarlett/Bbyong are cool too. I don't always watch Dota2 but when I do I have no clue what's going on. GOGO POWER RANGERS
FindMeInKenya
Profile Joined February 2011
United States797 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-27 22:09:34
November 27 2012 21:51 GMT
#188
On November 28 2012 04:49 Durlamor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 02:33 FindMeInKenya wrote:
On November 28 2012 00:36 dgwow wrote:
Would have preferred Leenock Life Sniper/Hyun Bogus and PartinG/Squirtle as Korean Team

foreigner team is pretty much all the best people


Replace Nani/Lucifron or Scarlett with SEn and we would have a stronger team?



Replacing Scarlett with Sen is not at all a good idea. Scarlett beat Sen 3-0 to qualify and her match up is a ZvZ. Add in that she won ZvZs for both the WCS Canada and North America finals and beat both Nerchio and Moonglade at BWC, then you've got right there a bonfire ZvZ monster. Meanwhile, Sen couldn't even beat her for the spot.

So honestly, who is a better option to throw into the series only ZvZ matchup? ZvZ monster or person who was beaten by ZvZ monster.


While it is true that Scarlett beat SEn in the final qualifier I have to point out it is being played in NA server and is an online not offline event.

Considering their offline result, almost every single time SEn shows up he ends up as the last foreigner standing/best result among foreigners and consistently beat Koreans regardless of the match up. While it is impressive that scarlett beat nerchio and moonglade at BWC, SEn beat Curios 3-0, Zenio 3-1, Killer 2-0 recently in ZvZ and also won against Hero the dreamhack champ and Grubby who got 2nd place in IEM. So imo SEn, who beat koreans consistently and more than every other foreigner beside Stephano, is probably a better choice for the last spot.

edit. also checking their TLPD record, SEn has higher zvz win rate than Scarlett with a lot more games played and against better opponents.
And can you honestly name any foreigner that is better than SEn beside probably Stephano? And even that might be debatable.
Durlamor
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada40 Posts
November 27 2012 22:18 GMT
#189
On November 28 2012 06:51 FindMeInKenya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 04:49 Durlamor wrote:
On November 28 2012 02:33 FindMeInKenya wrote:
On November 28 2012 00:36 dgwow wrote:
Would have preferred Leenock Life Sniper/Hyun Bogus and PartinG/Squirtle as Korean Team

foreigner team is pretty much all the best people


Replace Nani/Lucifron or Scarlett with SEn and we would have a stronger team?



Replacing Scarlett with Sen is not at all a good idea. Scarlett beat Sen 3-0 to qualify and her match up is a ZvZ. Add in that she won ZvZs for both the WCS Canada and North America finals and beat both Nerchio and Moonglade at BWC, then you've got right there a bonfire ZvZ monster. Meanwhile, Sen couldn't even beat her for the spot.

So honestly, who is a better option to throw into the series only ZvZ matchup? ZvZ monster or person who was beaten by ZvZ monster.


While it is true that Scarlett beat SEn in the final qualifier I have to point out it is being played in NA server and is an online not offline event.

Considering their offline result, almost every single time SEn shows up he ends up as the last foreigner standing/best result among foreigners and consistently beat Koreans regardless of the match up. While it is impressive that scarlett beat nerchio and moonglade at BWC, SEn beat Curios 3-0, Zenio 3-1, Killer 2-0 recently in ZvZ and also won against Hero the dreamhack champ and Grubby who got 2nd place in IEM. So imo SEn, who beat koreans consistently and more than every other foreigner beside Stephano, is probably a better choice for the last spot.

edit. also checking their TLPD record, SEn has higher zvz win rate than Scarlett with a lot more games played and against better opponents.
And can you honestly name any foreigner that is better than SEn beside probably Stephano? And even that might be debatable.


An amount of games played can't really be too helpful here Scarlett hasn't really been on the scene for very long. She only really rose to prominence in July when she won WCS Canada. Before that, while she was known, was not really seen at any events. Since then she has beaten almost everything thrown against her, including Koreans. She has beat Hero twice, and even pushed Leenock to game 7. Leenock! She even beat Bomber at MLG Dallas. With wins against players like that, it's arguable that she has as much right to the title Korean Killer as any foreigner out there.
ShAdZ_ZX
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia635 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-27 22:37:45
November 27 2012 22:36 GMT
#190
I think World has a real solid chance at winning this. Based on form, the Korean line-up is quite average; far from the top 5 (with the exclusion of Life).

My tips:

Seed < Lucifron
DRG > Scarlett
Squirtle < Nerchio
Life > Naniwa
MC < Stephano

Edit: Formatting

ES.Genie
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1370 Posts
November 27 2012 22:49 GMT
#191
On November 28 2012 04:05 ChApFoU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 22:39 vthree wrote:
On November 26 2012 21:53 TeeTS wrote:
the korean lineup can be described with one word: slump. No player is at his peak right now, while several of them are in a deep slump.
So I really expect a 3-2 for the international lineup. Life and Seed will take the points for korea, the rest goes to the world.


To be fair, it is easier for the top Koreans to go into the slump because the skill gap is so small between the top 50 koreans compare top 50 foreigners.




This should be in the dictionnary as an example for the word "delusional"

Atleast it was kinda funny.
No Mvp, no care. ~ the King will be back | Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Phil Heath |
FindMeInKenya
Profile Joined February 2011
United States797 Posts
November 27 2012 23:34 GMT
#192
On November 28 2012 07:18 Durlamor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 06:51 FindMeInKenya wrote:
On November 28 2012 04:49 Durlamor wrote:
On November 28 2012 02:33 FindMeInKenya wrote:
On November 28 2012 00:36 dgwow wrote:
Would have preferred Leenock Life Sniper/Hyun Bogus and PartinG/Squirtle as Korean Team

foreigner team is pretty much all the best people


Replace Nani/Lucifron or Scarlett with SEn and we would have a stronger team?



Replacing Scarlett with Sen is not at all a good idea. Scarlett beat Sen 3-0 to qualify and her match up is a ZvZ. Add in that she won ZvZs for both the WCS Canada and North America finals and beat both Nerchio and Moonglade at BWC, then you've got right there a bonfire ZvZ monster. Meanwhile, Sen couldn't even beat her for the spot.

So honestly, who is a better option to throw into the series only ZvZ matchup? ZvZ monster or person who was beaten by ZvZ monster.


While it is true that Scarlett beat SEn in the final qualifier I have to point out it is being played in NA server and is an online not offline event.

Considering their offline result, almost every single time SEn shows up he ends up as the last foreigner standing/best result among foreigners and consistently beat Koreans regardless of the match up. While it is impressive that scarlett beat nerchio and moonglade at BWC, SEn beat Curios 3-0, Zenio 3-1, Killer 2-0 recently in ZvZ and also won against Hero the dreamhack champ and Grubby who got 2nd place in IEM. So imo SEn, who beat koreans consistently and more than every other foreigner beside Stephano, is probably a better choice for the last spot.

edit. also checking their TLPD record, SEn has higher zvz win rate than Scarlett with a lot more games played and against better opponents.
And can you honestly name any foreigner that is better than SEn beside probably Stephano? And even that might be debatable.


An amount of games played can't really be too helpful here Scarlett hasn't really been on the scene for very long. She only really rose to prominence in July when she won WCS Canada. Before that, while she was known, was not really seen at any events. Since then she has beaten almost everything thrown against her, including Koreans. She has beat Hero twice, and even pushed Leenock to game 7. Leenock! She even beat Bomber at MLG Dallas. With wins against players like that, it's arguable that she has as much right to the title Korean Killer as any foreigner out there.


Which is quite impressive! I've never disputed the fact that Scarlett is good and can beat Koreans on a good day, I'm just saying that given the consistencies of SEn with a much longer career and a slightly more impressive offline result, I would've prefer SEn instead of Lucifron, Nani, and Scarlett as a representative of the foreigners.
revel8
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom3022 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-28 15:31:57
November 28 2012 15:27 GMT
#193
On November 28 2012 08:34 FindMeInKenya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 07:18 Durlamor wrote:
On November 28 2012 06:51 FindMeInKenya wrote:
On November 28 2012 04:49 Durlamor wrote:
On November 28 2012 02:33 FindMeInKenya wrote:
On November 28 2012 00:36 dgwow wrote:
Would have preferred Leenock Life Sniper/Hyun Bogus and PartinG/Squirtle as Korean Team

foreigner team is pretty much all the best people


Replace Nani/Lucifron or Scarlett with SEn and we would have a stronger team?



Replacing Scarlett with Sen is not at all a good idea. Scarlett beat Sen 3-0 to qualify and her match up is a ZvZ. Add in that she won ZvZs for both the WCS Canada and North America finals and beat both Nerchio and Moonglade at BWC, then you've got right there a bonfire ZvZ monster. Meanwhile, Sen couldn't even beat her for the spot.

So honestly, who is a better option to throw into the series only ZvZ matchup? ZvZ monster or person who was beaten by ZvZ monster.


While it is true that Scarlett beat SEn in the final qualifier I have to point out it is being played in NA server and is an online not offline event.

Considering their offline result, almost every single time SEn shows up he ends up as the last foreigner standing/best result among foreigners and consistently beat Koreans regardless of the match up. While it is impressive that scarlett beat nerchio and moonglade at BWC, SEn beat Curios 3-0, Zenio 3-1, Killer 2-0 recently in ZvZ and also won against Hero the dreamhack champ and Grubby who got 2nd place in IEM. So imo SEn, who beat koreans consistently and more than every other foreigner beside Stephano, is probably a better choice for the last spot.

edit. also checking their TLPD record, SEn has higher zvz win rate than Scarlett with a lot more games played and against better opponents.
And can you honestly name any foreigner that is better than SEn beside probably Stephano? And even that might be debatable.


An amount of games played can't really be too helpful here Scarlett hasn't really been on the scene for very long. She only really rose to prominence in July when she won WCS Canada. Before that, while she was known, was not really seen at any events. Since then she has beaten almost everything thrown against her, including Koreans. She has beat Hero twice, and even pushed Leenock to game 7. Leenock! She even beat Bomber at MLG Dallas. With wins against players like that, it's arguable that she has as much right to the title Korean Killer as any foreigner out there.


Which is quite impressive! I've never disputed the fact that Scarlett is good and can beat Koreans on a good day, I'm just saying that given the consistencies of SEn with a much longer career and a slightly more impressive offline result, I would've prefer SEn instead of Lucifron, Nani, and Scarlett as a representative of the foreigners.


They had playoffs for the Foreigners except Stephano and Naniwa. The other players in the team earned their right to be there by winning series against other contenders. Sounds fair to me. The concept of qualifying for a tournament is hardly a new concept to pro-gamers. Sen didn't qualify, nothing more to say.

I like Sen, but it is probably a good thing that he didn't qualify because he is currently too ill to travel to IPL5, so would probably have had to drop out anyway.
Diavlo
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium2915 Posts
November 28 2012 16:11 GMT
#194
On November 28 2012 04:05 ChApFoU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 22:39 vthree wrote:
On November 26 2012 21:53 TeeTS wrote:
the korean lineup can be described with one word: slump. No player is at his peak right now, while several of them are in a deep slump.
So I really expect a 3-2 for the international lineup. Life and Seed will take the points for korea, the rest goes to the world.


To be fair, it is easier for the top Koreans to go into the slump because the skill gap is so small between the top 50 koreans compare top 50 foreigners.




This should be in the dictionnary as an example for the word "delusional"


He obviously mean that the skill level is more even among the top 50 koreans than it is among the top 50 foreigners...
Which is absolutely true.

On November 28 2012 02:17 Wingblade wrote:
The foreigners honestly have to win both of the first two rounds to have a shot in this whole thing. There isn't a player on that World team who can beat Life in a best of 3. Keep in mind the only person to do that in the last few months is Soulkey, who blatantly stated in his interview that he spent the whole week preparing for Life, and only Life.


No way !!! He trained for a whole week to 4-0 life, that's clearly proof that life is invincible....
Life is the favorite against probably anyone, that doesn't mean he is impossible to beat, not even by foreigners.
"I don't know how many years on this Earth I got left. I'm gonna get real weird with it."
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-28 17:43:13
November 28 2012 17:41 GMT
#195
On November 28 2012 06:51 FindMeInKenya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 04:49 Durlamor wrote:
On November 28 2012 02:33 FindMeInKenya wrote:
On November 28 2012 00:36 dgwow wrote:
Would have preferred Leenock Life Sniper/Hyun Bogus and PartinG/Squirtle as Korean Team

foreigner team is pretty much all the best people


Replace Nani/Lucifron or Scarlett with SEn and we would have a stronger team?



Replacing Scarlett with Sen is not at all a good idea. Scarlett beat Sen 3-0 to qualify and her match up is a ZvZ. Add in that she won ZvZs for both the WCS Canada and North America finals and beat both Nerchio and Moonglade at BWC, then you've got right there a bonfire ZvZ monster. Meanwhile, Sen couldn't even beat her for the spot.

So honestly, who is a better option to throw into the series only ZvZ matchup? ZvZ monster or person who was beaten by ZvZ monster.


While it is true that Scarlett beat SEn in the final qualifier I have to point out it is being played in NA server and is an online not offline event.

Considering their offline result, almost every single time SEn shows up he ends up as the last foreigner standing/best result among foreigners and consistently beat Koreans regardless of the match up. While it is impressive that scarlett beat nerchio and moonglade at BWC, SEn beat Curios 3-0, Zenio 3-1, Killer 2-0 recently in ZvZ and also won against Hero the dreamhack champ and Grubby who got 2nd place in IEM. So imo SEn, who beat koreans consistently and more than every other foreigner beside Stephano, is probably a better choice for the last spot.

edit. also checking their TLPD record, SEn has higher zvz win rate than Scarlett with a lot more games played and against better opponents.
And can you honestly name any foreigner that is better than SEn beside probably Stephano? And even that might be debatable.


Yeah, but at the BWC, scarlett got destroyed by parting, just like sen got destroyed by parting, so sen only made it that far because he avoided parting till then. Scarlett has beaten hero online and offline at MLG. Curious is decent, but sen beating zenio and killer isn't impressive, since they're both not very good.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8323 Posts
November 28 2012 17:50 GMT
#196
Yup, the more I look at it the more I agree that --with the possible exception of Sen > Lucifron, but Sen isn't attending anyway-- these might be the 5 best non koreans. Exciting stuff.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8323 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-28 17:57:17
November 28 2012 17:55 GMT
#197
On November 28 2012 07:49 ES.Genie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2012 04:05 ChApFoU wrote:
On November 26 2012 22:39 vthree wrote:
On November 26 2012 21:53 TeeTS wrote:
the korean lineup can be described with one word: slump. No player is at his peak right now, while several of them are in a deep slump.
So I really expect a 3-2 for the international lineup. Life and Seed will take the points for korea, the rest goes to the world.


To be fair, it is easier for the top Koreans to go into the slump because the skill gap is so small between the top 50 koreans compare top 50 foreigners.




This should be in the dictionnary as an example for the word "delusional"

Atleast it was kinda funny.


It's just worded kind of strangely.

He's saying that the difference between the absolute top koreans to the slightly below the top koreans is very small compared to the difference between the top foreigners (Stephano) and the guys slightly below the top (below the Grubby line).

Edit: So it's easier for a Korean to go into a "slump" because they're slumping as soon as their not in the top five which is not a huge drop in skill versus a foreigner is slumping once they've failed at several big events in a row.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-28 18:00:47
November 28 2012 18:00 GMT
#198
Feels like Life is the only guy on the korean team with a good shape (that is truely top5 korean) at the moment.

Seeing the lineups and the fact that it's gonna be bo1, it's gonna be close, probably 50/50.

Seed > Lucifron
DRG > Scarlett
Squirtle < Nerchio
MC < Stephano
Life > Naniwa

3:2 for Korea is what i would expect, but the map for Naniwa is really good and Seed isn't doing well plus Scarlett could win as well.
asdfOu
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2089 Posts
November 28 2012 18:00 GMT
#199
where's mvp?
rip prime
johnny123
Profile Joined February 2012
521 Posts
November 28 2012 18:01 GMT
#200
scarlett good replacement . Very nice
Favorite players,Stephano/MVP/Nestea/Gumiho/Life/Jaedong/MMA
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