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Dammit, Dark vs Ryung, I wanted both of them to make it.
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I hope Huk and Vibe can pull through. Doubt it though.
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Golden 2-1 PuMa
MMA 2-1 HuK
ViBE 1-2 Alicia
Dark 0-2 Ryung
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Cmon HuK and ViBE! Dark and Golden gogo!
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Boo to Dark forfeiting, I sincerely hope it's for a better reason than SKTT1 didn't allow him to play.
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On November 23 2012 10:50 BathTubNZ wrote:
Boo to Dark forfeiting, I sincerely hope it's for a better reason than SKTT1 didn't allow him to play.
It really wouldn't surprise me.
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Hyun vs. Ryung in the playoffs. Well that's unlucky.
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Such a shame.. dark - ryung was the match of tonight!
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HyuN vs Ryung should be a nice series, though it does suck that only one of those players can advance into Ro8.
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On November 23 2012 11:19 PhoenixVoid wrote:
HyuN vs Ryung should be a nice series, though it does suck that only one of those players can advance into Ro8.
You are late to the party. I recommend reading the few posts above!
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On November 23 2012 11:22 ibo422 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 11:19 PhoenixVoid wrote:
HyuN vs Ryung should be a nice series, though it does suck that only one of those players can advance into Ro8. You are late to the party. I recommend reading the few posts above!
Late?
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On November 23 2012 11:24 PhoenixVoid wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 11:22 ibo422 wrote:On November 23 2012 11:19 PhoenixVoid wrote:
HyuN vs Ryung should be a nice series, though it does suck that only one of those players can advance into Ro8. You are late to the party. I recommend reading the few posts above! Late?
Misread! Ignore it!
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I was asking about Dark having to drop out a few days ago but no one answered me, it is definitely because he joined T1. They're not allowed to play anything other than MLG, Blizzard and GSL events.
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On November 23 2012 11:29 Dodgin wrote:
I was asking about Dark having to drop out a few days ago but no one answered me, it is definitely because he joined T1. They're not allowed to play anything other than MLG, Blizzard and GSL events.
Damn it KeSPa. That isn't cool.
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On November 23 2012 11:29 Dodgin wrote:
I was asking about Dark having to drop out a few days ago but no one answered me, it is definitely because he joined T1. They're not allowed to play anything other than MLG, Blizzard and GSL events.
We've all been wondering what would happen as soon as his team change was announced. It's easy enough to assume, but we don't know know 100%. Dark was also practising for his Code A match at the same time and quite frankly you could easily make the case that Code A was more important.
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Lol the display says Puma vs Zerg
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Puma was made to look like a diamond league player there. I wonder how much that eye stuff affected his condition.
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PuMa's mechanics are really off, he was floating a good amount of resources, and had a very weak sense of defense that game. At least he should have been 10-15 supply behind the Zerg, but was consistently 30-40 supply down.
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On November 23 2012 11:43 Dexington wrote:
Puma was made to look like a diamond league player there. I wonder how much that eye stuff affected his condition.
nah hes just fucking up :/
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Wow he needs to retire soon, or something. He's never had really good TvZ. After 1-1-1's fell off, his TvP is iffy at best IMO. And his TvT has flashes of skill, and then plain BO losses.
And I love the guy =(
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Holy hell Puma... why did you have nothing at home?
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that was so sad  (
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Asbestos? What kind of turkey does Gretorp eat? The display ones are not for eating!
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On November 23 2012 11:43 Dexington wrote:
Puma was made to look like a diamond league player there. I wonder how much that eye stuff affected his condition.
What happened to his eye?
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
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Really bye bye to PuMa now 
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well that was just awful.
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On November 23 2012 12:02 GreyKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 11:43 Dexington wrote:
Puma was made to look like a diamond league player there. I wonder how much that eye stuff affected his condition. What happened to his eye?
He needed surgery I think?
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Yeah it's why he was MIA from everything for like a month or 2.
I just walked away to get a drink, what the hell happened?
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He proxied 2 rax, pulled all scvs, Golden pulled all drones before the rax were even built
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I hope Huk can beat MMA to advance -_-
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On November 23 2012 12:08 BathTubNZ wrote:
Yeah it's why he was MIA from everything for like a month or 2.
I just walked away to get a drink, what the hell happened?
he proxied again on game 3 and Golden scouted across the map, finds the scvs and kills them promptly by pulling drones. Most people cancel and bring back their scvs but PuMa's two scvs got killed and then he sent 2 more out to finish the barracks. One rack goes up and the other is like 80% done....Puma then gg's
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Gogo MMA, would be really sad if you get knocked out of the GSL/NASL as soon as you join Acer.
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Go go go MMA!
Hope he can perform well in this match. Both players have had pretty streaky results as of late.
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Well, at least one foreigner will be at the finals.
They still haven't said why it's only top 8 and not top 16 again.
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On November 23 2012 12:12 Dexington wrote:
Well, at least one foreigner will be at the finals.
They still haven't said why it's only top 8 and not top 16 again.
They still haven't confirmed the prize pool :/
Hopefully they get some great match ups in the ro8
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On November 23 2012 12:12 Dexington wrote:
Well, at least one foreigner will be at the finals.
They still haven't said why it's only top 8 and not top 16 again.
What other reason is needed than "flights are expensive!" lol
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On November 23 2012 12:14 BathTubNZ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 12:12 Dexington wrote:
Well, at least one foreigner will be at the finals.
They still haven't said why it's only top 8 and not top 16 again. What other reason is needed than "flights are expensive!" lol
Perhaps why teams can't pay for flights. All participants are required to have a team at the start of the season, I assumed that was why.
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Is it just me or Huk has always played the same style in PvT leading to everyone basically figuring him out.
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Yep, Huk certainly lives or dies by his gateways.
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On November 23 2012 12:31 OhThatDang wrote:
Is it just me or Huk has always played the same style in PvT leading to everyone basically figuring him out.
HuK has a strange habit of playing styles from 2011 in PvT and PvZ. Its like he can't let go of the past.
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Twice now zealot charge has put Huk's zealots in a terrible position. Thrice now on consecutive NASL broadcasts, MMA lets auto-attack A.I. work incredibly to his advantage (last night's barracks lift).
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On November 23 2012 12:17 Dexington wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 12:14 BathTubNZ wrote:On November 23 2012 12:12 Dexington wrote:
Well, at least one foreigner will be at the finals.
They still haven't said why it's only top 8 and not top 16 again. What other reason is needed than "flights are expensive!" lol Perhaps why teams can't pay for flights. All participants are required to have a team at the start of the season, I assumed that was why.
I think that was the case for season 1 and 2 where teams had to pay the flights.
Now NASL pays and thats the reason they dropped down to 8 which it already was last season.
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On November 23 2012 12:33 Dexington wrote:
Yep, Huk certainly lives or dies by his gateways.
You just got quoted by Gretorp lol
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On November 23 2012 12:50 00Visor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 12:17 Dexington wrote:On November 23 2012 12:14 BathTubNZ wrote:On November 23 2012 12:12 Dexington wrote:
Well, at least one foreigner will be at the finals.
They still haven't said why it's only top 8 and not top 16 again. What other reason is needed than "flights are expensive!" lol Perhaps why teams can't pay for flights. All participants are required to have a team at the start of the season, I assumed that was why. I think that was the case for season 1 and 2 where teams had to pay the flights. Now NASL pays and thats the reason they dropped down to 8 which it already was last season.
Yeah but the 8 made sense last season because they also hosted WCS Canada. How are they going to fill all the time with only 8 series total over two days?
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On November 23 2012 12:50 00Visor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 12:17 Dexington wrote:On November 23 2012 12:14 BathTubNZ wrote:On November 23 2012 12:12 Dexington wrote:
Well, at least one foreigner will be at the finals.
They still haven't said why it's only top 8 and not top 16 again. What other reason is needed than "flights are expensive!" lol Perhaps why teams can't pay for flights. All participants are required to have a team at the start of the season, I assumed that was why. I think that was the case for season 1 and 2 where teams had to pay the flights. Now NASL pays and thats the reason they dropped down to 8 which it already was last season.
Didn't it use to be something like NASL only paid $400 per person for travel, which was one of the reasons the Korean Teams boycotted. But yeah they pay for the travel now. I think the whole team requirement is more around paying the Player Bond fee and just overall accountability.
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Huk's drop defense is quite sub par in this series.
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MMA may have been knocked into Code B but at least he can still beat HuK.
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mma vs taeja should be good.
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Poor HerO... Has to face TaeJa in the ro8 if Alicia wins... if TaeJa beats MMA and HerO beats finale, of course.
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Gak it's either MMA or Huk only, not both,,so cruel...
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On November 23 2012 13:30 Chengakz wrote:
Gak it's either MMA or Huk only, not both,,so cruel...
Well now it's only MMA.
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well at least the night can't be 3-0 3-0 3-0, go Vibe!
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that was one of the most soulless wonwonwon's ever seen
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Good god this game is sloppy
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omfg, this game is sooo bad. its really closing in on "sheth-vs-tod" level of bad.
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On November 23 2012 13:54 Black Gun wrote:
omfg, this game is sooo bad. its really closing in on "sheth-vs-tod" level of bad.
I think that made it way more enjoyable than the usual PvZ end game.
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On November 23 2012 13:56 Ansinjunger wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 13:54 Black Gun wrote:
omfg, this game is sooo bad. its really closing in on "sheth-vs-tod" level of bad. I think that made it way more enjoyable than the usual PvZ end game.
I'll agree to that. Especially after watching Sase vs Bly today.
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Cool to read MMA advancing. Now gogo win ace, Dan Schlong 
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Ugh...
If both SortOf and Naniwa lose, I probably won't tune in to the finals. If I wanted to watch a Korean only tournament (outside Sen/Demu), I'd watch GSL.
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taeja vs hero potential team kill -.-
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Can't believe Demuslim vs Sen is going to happen in the round of 16 despite them being in the same division in the first place.
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Oh whaaat
Did Dark have to forfeit because of the Kespa-MLG deal bullshit? Super lame, was excited to see him play.
Even if I was cheering for Ryung.
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if TSL win GSTL tonight, then I want polt and Hyun to lose
if they lose GSTL, then I want them to win
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On November 23 2012 14:28 gyad wrote:
Can't believe Demuslim vs Sen is going to happen in the round of 16 despite them being in the same division in the first place.
and DeMusliM getting a walkover because Sen didn't show up. Guess we'll get the match anyways. ;o
At least it's not a repeat match like viOLet vs. Alicia...
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I just realised that no matter who wins tonight there will be a conflict. If TSL win then Polt and Hyung have a conflict, if MVP win then it's Finale. Admittedly MVP can spare Finale easier than TSL can spare Polt/Hyung.
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On November 23 2012 14:45 BathTubNZ wrote:
I just realised that no matter who wins tonight there will be a conflict. If TSL win then Polt and Hyung have a conflict, if MVP win then it's Finale. Admittedly MVP can spare Finale easier than TSL can spare Polt/Hyung.
You think finale can beat HerO? Polt beating NaNiwa is more likely than HyuN beating Ryung... Both are a lot more likely than finale beating HerO.
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On November 23 2012 14:49 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 14:45 BathTubNZ wrote:
I just realised that no matter who wins tonight there will be a conflict. If TSL win then Polt and Hyung have a conflict, if MVP win then it's Finale. Admittedly MVP can spare Finale easier than TSL can spare Polt/Hyung. You think finale can beat HerO? Polt beating NaNiwa is more likely than HyuN beating Ryung... Both are a lot more likely than finale beating HerO.
Huh? I'm pretty sure that guy is talking bout GSTL, if TSL wins tonight Polt and Hyun will likely withdraw from NASL4 Finals which is on the same weekend as GSTL finals.
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On November 23 2012 15:18 Jackle wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 14:49 Elite_ wrote:On November 23 2012 14:45 BathTubNZ wrote:
I just realised that no matter who wins tonight there will be a conflict. If TSL win then Polt and Hyung have a conflict, if MVP win then it's Finale. Admittedly MVP can spare Finale easier than TSL can spare Polt/Hyung. You think finale can beat HerO? Polt beating NaNiwa is more likely than HyuN beating Ryung... Both are a lot more likely than finale beating HerO. Huh? I'm pretty sure that guy is talking bout GSTL, if TSL wins tonight Polt and Hyun will likely withdraw from NASL4 Finals which is on the same weekend as GSTL finals.
You do realize the playoffs in California don't include the ro16... It's only the ro8 on... ~_~
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Format for Finals
Top 8 player from playoffs play live in Long Beach, CA
8-Player Single Elimination bracket
Best of 5 RO8, Best of 7 Semis-Finals (and 3rd place match)
NASL Map Pool (See Map Section for map pool)
from the NASL playoff info thread.
Also, the point of my previous post is to imply there will most likely be no problems with the NASL playoffs if MVP wins tonight.
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On November 23 2012 14:49 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 14:45 BathTubNZ wrote:
I just realised that no matter who wins tonight there will be a conflict. If TSL win then Polt and Hyung have a conflict, if MVP win then it's Finale. Admittedly MVP can spare Finale easier than TSL can spare Polt/Hyung. You think finale can beat HerO? Polt beating NaNiwa is more likely than HyuN beating Ryung... Both are a lot more likely than finale beating HerO.
I wasn't making a judgement on who can beat who there. However I do think Finale could beat Hero. It's PvP.
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NASL Championship Bracket
Most likely winners:
TaeJa: 17.53%
viOLet: 13.19%
HyuN: 12.58%
Polt: 12.34%
HerO: 10.13%
Sen: 8.58%
MC: 5.56%
Ryung: 5.14%
MMA: 4.51%
finale: 3.45%
Golden: 2.42%
Naniwa: 1.48%
SortOf: 1.20%
Alicia: 1.18%
DeMusliM: 0.60%
Arthur: 0.10%
Life expectancy:
Polt: 1.56 rounds (lose in the semifinals)
viOLet: 1.53 rounds (lose in the semifinals)
TaeJa: 1.50 rounds (lose in the quarterfinals)
HyuN: 1.34 rounds (lose in the quarterfinals)
Sen: 1.34 rounds (lose in the quarterfinals)
HerO: 1.18 rounds (lose in the quarterfinals)
MC: 1.07 rounds (lose in the quarterfinals)
Golden: 1.06 rounds (lose in the quarterfinals)
Ryung: 0.81 rounds (lose in the quarterfinals)
MMA: 0.67 rounds (lose in the quarterfinals)
finale: 0.66 rounds (lose in the quarterfinals)
Naniwa: 0.55 rounds (lose in the quarterfinals)
SortOf: 0.53 rounds (lose in the quarterfinals)
Alicia: 0.45 rounds (lose in the round of 16)
DeMusliM: 0.40 rounds (lose in the round of 16)
Arthur: 0.35 rounds (lose in the round of 16)
details, data source, code
Detailed placement probabilities
Top 16 Top 8 Top 4 Top 2 Win
Polt: 31.33% 17.06% 27.76% 11.51% 12.34%
Naniwa: 68.67% 13.99% 12.87% 2.99% 1.48%
Arthur: 70.43% 24.40% 4.59% 0.48% 0.10%
Golden: 29.57% 44.54% 18.87% 4.60% 2.42%
TaeJa: 36.07% 23.93% 11.55% 10.93% 17.53%
MMA: 63.93% 19.34% 7.28% 4.94% 4.51%
finale: 60.15% 25.35% 6.79% 4.26% 3.45%
HerO: 39.85% 31.38% 10.30% 8.34% 10.13%
viOLet: 29.28% 26.29% 19.34% 11.90% 13.19%
Alicia: 70.72% 17.91% 7.70% 2.49% 1.18%
DeMusliM: 70.79% 21.07% 5.95% 1.59% 0.60%
Sen: 29.21% 34.73% 17.91% 9.57% 8.58%
MC: 37.60% 35.91% 13.90% 7.04% 5.56%
SortOf: 62.40% 26.71% 7.20% 2.49% 1.20%
HyuN: 40.97% 19.66% 16.11% 10.67% 12.58%
Ryung: 59.03% 17.72% 11.89% 6.22% 5.14%
Most likely to be eliminated by...
Polt: Naniwa (31.33%) Golden (14.48%) TaeJa (12.74%)
Naniwa: Polt (68.67%) Golden (11.40%) TaeJa ( 5.59%)
Arthur: Golden (70.43%) Polt (17.73%) Naniwa ( 6.68%)
Golden: Polt (33.88%) Arthur (29.57%) Naniwa (10.66%)
TaeJa: MMA (36.07%) HerO (16.10%) Polt ( 7.90%)
MMA: TaeJa (63.93%) HerO (12.67%) finale ( 6.68%)
finale: HerO (60.15%) TaeJa (17.65%) MMA ( 7.69%)
HerO: finale (39.85%) TaeJa (22.35%) MMA ( 9.03%)
viOLet: Alicia (29.28%) Sen (21.88%) HyuN ( 9.07%)
Alicia: viOLet (70.72%) Sen (14.18%) DeMusliM ( 3.73%)
DeMusliM: Sen (70.79%) viOLet (16.25%) Alicia ( 4.82%)
Sen: DeMusliM (29.21%) viOLet (28.18%) HyuN ( 8.25%)
MC: SortOf (37.60%) HyuN (22.77%) Ryung (13.14%)
SortOf: MC (62.40%) HyuN (16.59%) Ryung (10.11%)
HyuN: Ryung (40.97%) MC (14.06%) viOLet ( 8.42%)
Ryung: HyuN (59.03%) MC (12.43%) viOLet ( 6.06%)
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I think a Hyun vs Polt/Taeja final is likely.
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So MvP won, meaning Polt and Hyun can attend if they make it. Finale may not be able to.
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On November 24 2012 01:12 Dexington wrote:
So MvP won, meaning Polt and Hyun can attend if they make it. Finale may not be able to.
However MVP has the much deeper roster that they could free up Finale. There was almost no chance TSL could give up Polt and Hyun.
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I'm pretty sure that Polt and HyuN will make it to NASL if they make it to the Ro8. They don't have GSTL as a distraction, and considering they love individual tournaments, they will almost certainly take the opportunity for some money and going to California.
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Oh now it shouldn't even be in doubt. I fully expect Finale would be allowed also if he makes it that far.
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When are the Round of 16 games?
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