On November 08 2012 22:59 Kasaraki wrote: I don't like starting with Creator for Prime. If he gets sniped, things could get bad, as he's needed to take out the stronget FXO players.
Maybe Prime has a sniper for Leenock. If Creator goes by GumiHo, it might force Leenock to come out third (after they try one sniper) since I am not sure anyone else on FXO can handle Creator. But like a lot of GSTL matches, it is likely going to come down to the aces.
On November 08 2012 22:53 DrPandaPhD wrote: For the people in Korea, Choya is giving away FXO uniforms (unsure what this means if it's jackets, tshirts or w/e) at this match.
Kind of vague how it's going to be done but thought I would mentioned it if there are anyone in KR that wants to get a chance.
I would sell my soul for a Leenock signed jacket T_T
Our old uniform supplier went bust, they are going to be wearing new uniforms for this match, if we keep the new design or not I am unsure but we needed something asap due to old ones wearing out >.< so they gonna give away old ones
On November 08 2012 22:49 opterown wrote: creator holds a fairly solid 10-4 record against leenock and would be prime's best bet at taking him out, but they've started with creator =/
How much of it was before Leenock knew how to play zvp?
On November 08 2012 22:53 DrPandaPhD wrote: For the people in Korea, Choya is giving away FXO uniforms (unsure what this means if it's jackets, tshirts or w/e) at this match.
Kind of vague how it's going to be done but thought I would mentioned it if there are anyone in KR that wants to get a chance.
I would sell my soul for a Leenock signed jacket T_T
Our old uniform supplier went bust, they are going to be wearing new uniforms for this match, if we keep the new design or not I am unsure but we needed something asap due to old ones wearing out >.< so they gonna give away old ones
Aight, good news i guess. I wasn't completely sold on the old uniforms so maybe it's time for a fresh start. :p Usually i'd root for FXO over just about any other team but i can't physically root against Prime. I hope the match is good nonetheless!
On November 08 2012 22:49 opterown wrote: creator holds a fairly solid 10-4 record against leenock and would be prime's best bet at taking him out, but they've started with creator =/
How much of it was before Leenock knew how to play zvp?
when do you consider leenock knowing how to play zvp? i would say, post zvp revolution, creator is 3-0 leenock.
On November 08 2012 22:53 DrPandaPhD wrote: For the people in Korea, Choya is giving away FXO uniforms (unsure what this means if it's jackets, tshirts or w/e) at this match.
Kind of vague how it's going to be done but thought I would mentioned it if there are anyone in KR that wants to get a chance.
I would sell my soul for a Leenock signed jacket T_T
Our old uniform supplier went bust, they are going to be wearing new uniforms for this match, if we keep the new design or not I am unsure but we needed something asap due to old ones wearing out >.< so they gonna give away old ones
Aight, good news i guess. I wasn't completely sold on the old uniforms so maybe it's time for a fresh start. :p Usually i'd root for FXO over just about any other team but i can't physically root against Prime. I hope the match is good nonetheless!
On November 08 2012 22:49 opterown wrote: creator holds a fairly solid 10-4 record against leenock and would be prime's best bet at taking him out, but they've started with creator =/
How much of it was before Leenock knew how to play zvp?
when do you consider leenock knowing how to play zvp? i would say, post zvp revolution, creator is 3-0 leenock.
On November 08 2012 22:53 DrPandaPhD wrote: For the people in Korea, Choya is giving away FXO uniforms (unsure what this means if it's jackets, tshirts or w/e) at this match.
Kind of vague how it's going to be done but thought I would mentioned it if there are anyone in KR that wants to get a chance.
I would sell my soul for a Leenock signed jacket T_T
Our old uniform supplier went bust, they are going to be wearing new uniforms for this match, if we keep the new design or not I am unsure but we needed something asap due to old ones wearing out >.< so they gonna give away old ones
Aight, good news i guess. I wasn't completely sold on the old uniforms so maybe it's time for a fresh start. :p Usually i'd root for FXO over just about any other team but i can't physically root against Prime. I hope the match is good nonetheless!
On November 08 2012 22:49 opterown wrote: creator holds a fairly solid 10-4 record against leenock and would be prime's best bet at taking him out, but they've started with creator =/
How much of it was before Leenock knew how to play zvp?
when do you consider leenock knowing how to play zvp? i would say, post zvp revolution, creator is 3-0 leenock.
I would say Leenock learned to ZvP in March 2012 when he managed to beat Inca and also beat more than 2 koreans in a row for the first time since the open seasons. the only other time he had a win streak > 2 before that was Alicia, Huk, Huk, naniwa, where none of them are really known for having good PvZ. Plus, immediately after that small win streak he lost 5/7 games to MC between the blizzard cup and code s.
Since March Leenock is 17-14 in ZvP in GSL/GSTL 0-1 vs Creator in Korea 0-4 vs Creator in international
ehh. so maybe creator can still do it. Leenock just seems on fire, lately. This is the time of the year when he seems to just go crazy. I just see anyone having a pretty hard time beating Leenock atm
Creator all-kill incoming! Leenock was super easy peasy for Prime in the past, but I think it was before the queen buff so it may have changed. However Creator is the ultimate beast and FXO always seem like a weak team to me despite their recent team leagues showings.
This will be tough for Prime. Historically Creator and MKP seem to have Leenocks number, but with Leenocks form right now? At first I hoped for a Gumiho-Maru match, as they are two of the most entertaining terrans right now. Though seeing that Gumiho is the starting player I guess I'll have to reconsider that, as I would have to root against Creator...
I remember when Leenock was on that interview show (man I can't remember the name), I asked (the question was chosen) what he thought about people saying he and Gumiho looking alike. I think he was offended or confused hahaha
On November 09 2012 05:12 Poopi wrote: Creator all-kill incoming! Leenock was super easy peasy for Prime in the past, but I think it was before the queen buff so it may have changed. However Creator is the ultimate beast and FXO always seem like a weak team to me despite their recent team leagues showings.
Recently Leenock doesn't lose to protoss or terran. Prime need a ZvZ sniper and they don't really have one.
Q: In the final meeting against Parting, you got your revenge with a 2-0 win. A: I mentioned this in a MLG interview. I won't lose again against a player that I had just lost to, with the exception of MarineKing. Against other players, if I lost, I would be able to get the win in the next match against them.
nooooo i was looking forward to watching team league in watchable quality for once. I have code s/a pass but dont watch much teamleague but todays match will probably be really good.
I hope Gumiho wins this. His multi-pronged aggression was really cool and is a refreshing break from the normal deathball vs deathball stereotype floating around.
On November 09 2012 18:36 Daswollvieh wrote: If only he had killed the observer...
This was the deciding factor for mine as well. If he scans the battlefield during the engagement, the vikings take out the obs and that battle looks very very diffferent.
GuMiho goes for some of his trademark aggression, with hellion/marine drops splashing against the rock-solid defense of Creator. Creator looked on the ropes a few times, but eventually stabilised and moved out with his trademark upgrade advantage. GuMiho's 17 cloaked ghosts looked like they would win the engagement for him, but an observer and warp-ins eventually won the protracted engagement for Creator. Excellent game, contrasting GuMiho's multitask and Creator's safe, solid play.
What an entertaining first match, brilliant play by Gumiho with that crazy multitasking, sad he still lost to the final engagement's 200 zealot warpins...
On November 09 2012 18:44 monkybone wrote: Epic game!
Gumiho playing REALLY well.
Also, with taking out 3 colossus before the battle I don't really understand how he lost.
I think Terrans should experiment more with late game defensive bunkers, with neosteel upgrade and +2 armor.
He over made vikings & ghosts so he had no real ground army, if he had taken out the observer he had cloak for his ghosts so that would have been effective.
On November 09 2012 18:44 monkybone wrote: Epic game!
Gumiho playing REALLY well.
Also, with taking out 3 colossus before the battle I don't really understand how he lost.
I think Terrans should experiment more with late game defensive bunkers.
Its the classic reinforcement problem. Dead colossus replaced instantly by 15 zealots while terran can only admire his awesome vikings while waiting for reinforcements
On November 09 2012 18:44 monkybone wrote: Epic game!
Gumiho playing REALLY well.
Also, with taking out 3 colossus before the battle I don't really understand how he lost.
I think Terrans should experiment more with late game defensive bunkers, with neosteel upgrade and +2 armor.
He over made vikings & ghosts so he had no real ground army, if he had taken out the observer he had cloak for his ghosts so that would have been effective.
Nonono... He had the perfect viking count (10-14), and creator even had 5 or 6 colossus. Also, around 12 ghosts is NOT overmaking ghosts.
On November 09 2012 18:44 monkybone wrote: Epic game!
Gumiho playing REALLY well.
Also, with taking out 3 colossus before the battle I don't really understand how he lost.
I think Terrans should experiment more with late game defensive bunkers, with neosteel upgrade and +2 armor.
He over made vikings & ghosts so he had no real ground army, if he had taken out the observer he had cloak for his ghosts so that would have been effective.
I think Creator had 5 Colossus so I dont think he overmade vikings.
somehow I think if Gumiho managed to keep a raven throughout the whole game, he would have won either by mitigating stalker damage to creating artificial walls with auto turret against zealots.
On November 09 2012 18:44 monkybone wrote: Epic game!
Gumiho playing REALLY well.
Also, with taking out 3 colossus before the battle I don't really understand how he lost.
I think Terrans should experiment more with late game defensive bunkers, with neosteel upgrade and +2 armor.
He over made vikings & ghosts so he had no real ground army, if he had taken out the observer he had cloak for his ghosts so that would have been effective.
Nonono... He had the perfect viking count (10-14), and creator even had 5 or 6 colossus. Also, around 12 ghosts is NOT overmaking ghosts. Also, the cloaked ghosts were really effective and took out a colossus, as he made sure creator had no observer with a scan.
Gumi lost 10-12 ghosts in the space of 2 seconds shortly after the big engagement started when creator's obs came in. Apart from getting some EMP's off they were largely ineffectual.
Watching the free stream, I honestly couldn't tell how good the EMP's were, but sacking your entire ghost count for EMP's is almost never worth it. And definitely not in this case when he had so much supply in Vikings, meaning his MMM army couldn't take proper advantage of the EMP's.
On November 09 2012 19:00 Fjodorov wrote: Been a long time since i saw lucky play. What was that tournament when he beat MMA 3 games in a row or something by doing the same roach bust?
On November 09 2012 18:44 monkybone wrote: Epic game!
Gumiho playing REALLY well.
Also, with taking out 3 colossus before the battle I don't really understand how he lost.
I think Terrans should experiment more with late game defensive bunkers, with neosteel upgrade and +2 armor.
He over made vikings & ghosts so he had no real ground army, if he had taken out the observer he had cloak for his ghosts so that would have been effective.
Nonono... He had the perfect viking count (10-14), and creator even had 5 or 6 colossus. Also, around 12 ghosts is NOT overmaking ghosts. Also, the cloaked ghosts were really effective and took out a colossus, as he made sure creator had no observer with a scan.
Gumi lost 10-12 ghosts in the space of 2 seconds shortly after the big engagement started when creator's obs came in. Apart from getting some EMP's off they were largely ineffectual.
That is one of the problems with ghosts. They are a lot harder to retain compare to Infestors and HTs. You almost always lose all your ghosts in big engagements since they have to be in the frontlines to EMP the casters in the back lines.
On November 09 2012 19:00 Yello wrote: Hm, so how does Lucky play in ZvP nowadays? I think I haven't seen him play in a long time and I can't remember his vP at all
he used to play it really well one year ago, now he just dies to stuff
On November 09 2012 19:00 Yello wrote: Hm, so how does Lucky play in ZvP nowadays? I think I haven't seen him play in a long time and I can't remember his vP at all
On November 09 2012 19:00 Yello wrote: Hm, so how does Lucky play in ZvP nowadays? I think I haven't seen him play in a long time and I can't remember his vP at all
Lucky hasn't had a televised game in ages, i think it's going to be a surprise to everyone except for lucky and FXO.
On November 09 2012 19:00 Fjodorov wrote: Been a long time since i saw lucky play. What was that tournament when he beat MMA 3 games in a row or something by doing the same roach bust?
On November 09 2012 19:00 Fjodorov wrote: Been a long time since i saw lucky play. What was that tournament when he beat MMA 3 games in a row or something by doing the same roach bust?
okay, looking bad for Lucky here. He won't do any damage with the mutas at all. He should try to keep Creator contained while teching to Hive. I fear Lucky will heavily over-commit here
Both players open with fast 3-base. Creator is very well prepared for Lucky's Mutas, having blink and plenty of cannons set up before the mutas cross the map. Lucky takes a pretty bad engagement near Creator's 3rd just before Creator's 3-base pre-Hive timing. Without infestors, Lucky's banelings cannot connect, and Creator just kinda rolls over him. Decent game if you want to see a safe response to Mutalisks and a good pre-Hive timing, otherwise unremarkable.
On November 09 2012 19:15 monkybone wrote: I think they're throwing out Zergs anticipating a prime terran after Creator.
tbh apart from leenock FXO zergs are kinda unremarkable, so i'd say even the unreliable TvZ of prime terrans is still favoured
It depends on how confident FXO's Protosses and Terrans are against a prime terran. I feel the terran trio has much better chances against the remaining non-zergs on the FXO bench right now.
i doubt any non-gumiho/leenock/tear player can reliably take a map off the prime starting four; but yeah hrmm GSTL can be very swingy!
seriously.... after watching the last GSL code S casts on either owned.tv or twitch.tv I had happily forgotten how AWFUL gomplayer is(( sigh. just give back the twitch/owned already
Both stay on two base and tech up a bit. Creator opens Stargate, JKS with ling/infestors. JKS takes out a bunch of sentries as Creator tries to take his 3rd. Some relatively sloppy play on both sides ensue, and Creator ends up outmacroing JKS. JKS looks terrible and Creator rolls over him with a straightforward Collosus/Stalker push.
On November 09 2012 19:35 Waxangel wrote: If you held the position of GomTV music director, what kind of personal musical tastes would you mercilessly expose thousands of other people to?
On November 09 2012 19:35 Waxangel wrote: If you held the position of GomTV music director, what kind of personal musical tastes would you mercilessly expose thousands of other people to?
Norwegian black metal just to get tons of hate mail.
On November 09 2012 19:35 Waxangel wrote: If you held the position of GomTV music director, what kind of personal musical tastes would you mercilessly expose thousands of other people to?
On November 09 2012 19:35 Waxangel wrote: If you held the position of GomTV music director, what kind of personal musical tastes would you mercilessly expose thousands of other people to?
On November 09 2012 19:35 Waxangel wrote: If you held the position of GomTV music director, what kind of personal musical tastes would you mercilessly expose thousands of other people to?
That would be an interesting position to be in. Probably something by Eduard Khil.
On November 09 2012 19:35 Waxangel wrote: If you held the position of GomTV music director, what kind of personal musical tastes would you mercilessly expose thousands of other people to?
Norwegian black metal just to get tons of hate mail.
On November 09 2012 19:35 Waxangel wrote: If you held the position of GomTV music director, what kind of personal musical tastes would you mercilessly expose thousands of other people to?
Norwegian black metal just to get tons of hate mail.
On November 09 2012 19:35 Waxangel wrote: If you held the position of GomTV music director, what kind of personal musical tastes would you mercilessly expose thousands of other people to?
Norwegian black metal just to get tons of hate mail.
I think Prime just wants to take it easy, they've been streaming a bit lately. So they just told Creator to handle it so they could nap in the benches.
Getting up the colossi-tech while everything else was going on was impressive, but it feels like a bit more focus when attacking with the prism could have won him the game
Maru opens one base tech into hellions, while Tear plays pretty safe with an expansion and a robo. Both of Tear's observers miss a hellion drop in the main while 4 more hellions hit the natural, and he loses 14 probes for it. Tear moves out with the units he has while Maru's banshee pokes Tear's natural. Tear elevators into Maru's main with a Warp Prism, dealing significant damage, but not enough. Maru starts to take a lead in tech and upgrades. A 3-Medivac drop in Tear's main destroys some key tech, while Tear's own Warp Prism backstab doesn't do enough damage. Maru takes out Tear's army while Tear tries to defend his building third. Pretty decent game, some really smart play.
On November 09 2012 20:04 monkybone wrote: Leenock vs Maru, epic... I'm hoping for some cool cheese from Leenock defended by Maru as well as he defneded Effort's all in.
On November 09 2012 20:14 bokchoi wrote: Smart by FXO. Getting Antiga out of the way.
The odd thing is why didn't they do that with creator and one of their first 3 players? They must have known that barring a tear all-kill leenock would likely face a strong prime terran with terran's mapchoice.
Maru starts off with two in-base Barracks and floats them to the low ground, and tries to bunker Leenock's natural to no avail. Maru keeps up the pressure for a bit while building 2 Command Centers at home. Some nice micro plays around, and Leenock's speed kicks in to get rid off all the Marines into a counter-attack. Leenock denies the natural and seems to be in a dominating position. Leenock takes an early Lair behind his contain. Leenock burrows banelings in the natural mineral line before Maru could retake it, and takes out most of the SCVs being transferred there. Leenock keeps up the pressure as Maru tries to take his third. Leenock's Brood Lords seal the deal. Pretty fun, dominating play by Leenock.
Not really that surprising. Creator + terrans only make up 4 players on prime so they needed one of b4, terius, classic, and they may as well use him to tire out leenock before byun +mkp.
Terius is rated a bit lower than Maru, but Leenock has a worse vZ rating, and Terius is comparatively better rated vZ than Maru is, so it evens out. Leenock still at 74.8% though.
On November 09 2012 20:38 KristofferAG wrote: As I finish pairing up my socks I realize I hate living with four dudes that hate washing their clothes and just steal my socks.
On November 09 2012 20:38 KristofferAG wrote: As I finish pairing up my socks I realize I hate living with four dudes that hate washing their clothes and just steal my socks.
I have 11 socks with no partner.
Time to become a hipster and wear different colour socks every day, even if you have paired socks.
And it wasn't the 4 guys, it's the sockeater in the washing machine. I lived alone for years and still had tons of unpaired socks.
On November 09 2012 20:38 KristofferAG wrote: As I finish pairing up my socks I realize I hate living with four dudes that hate washing their clothes and just steal my socks.
I have 11 socks with no partner.
ahahaha, gotta start buying only pink socks from now on
On November 09 2012 18:48 eviltomahawk wrote: Bad intermission music is killing SC2.
This needs to be fixed.
What did they play? Stupid Dubstep or some Rock/Metal thing. Cause latter is definately better, though not "good". This over-extreme-dubstep sounds absolutely terrible and the guy who "invented" that the sound of scratched CDs actually sounds like musik should get instantly punished
On November 09 2012 20:38 KristofferAG wrote: As I finish pairing up my socks I realize I hate living with four dudes that hate washing their clothes and just steal my socks.
On November 09 2012 20:38 KristofferAG wrote: As I finish pairing up my socks I realize I hate living with four dudes that hate washing their clothes and just steal my socks.
I have 11 socks with no partner.
ahahaha, gotta start buying only pink socks from now on
You think that would stop them? You underestimate my housemates. WE've lived here for 4 months now, one of them just washed clothes for the first time ever.
On November 09 2012 20:38 KristofferAG wrote: As I finish pairing up my socks I realize I hate living with four dudes that hate washing their clothes and just steal my socks.
On November 09 2012 20:38 KristofferAG wrote: As I finish pairing up my socks I realize I hate living with four dudes that hate washing their clothes and just steal my socks.
I have 11 socks with no partner.
ahahaha, gotta start buying only pink socks from now on
You think that would stop them? You underestimate my housemates. WE've lived here for 4 months now, one of them just washed clothes for the first time ever.
You got some weird housemates. I guess I'm really lucky because my housemate loves cooking and is one of the best cooks I've ever met and he also just starts washing my stuff if he sees it lying around.
On November 09 2012 20:38 KristofferAG wrote: As I finish pairing up my socks I realize I hate living with four dudes that hate washing their clothes and just steal my socks.
I have 11 socks with no partner.
ahahaha, gotta start buying only pink socks from now on
You think that would stop them? You underestimate my housemates. WE've lived here for 4 months now, one of them just washed clothes for the first time ever.
You got some weird housemates. I guess I'm really lucky because my housemate loves cooking and is one of the best cooks I've ever met and he also just starts washing my stuff if he sees it lying around.
On November 09 2012 20:38 KristofferAG wrote: As I finish pairing up my socks I realize I hate living with four dudes that hate washing their clothes and just steal my socks.
I have 11 socks with no partner.
ahahaha, gotta start buying only pink socks from now on
You think that would stop them? You underestimate my housemates. WE've lived here for 4 months now, one of them just washed clothes for the first time ever.
On November 09 2012 20:38 KristofferAG wrote: As I finish pairing up my socks I realize I hate living with four dudes that hate washing their clothes and just steal my socks.
I have 11 socks with no partner.
ahahaha, gotta start buying only pink socks from now on
You think that would stop them? You underestimate my housemates. WE've lived here for 4 months now, one of them just washed clothes for the first time ever.
You got some weird housemates. I guess I'm really lucky because my housemate loves cooking and is one of the best cooks I've ever met and he also just starts washing my stuff if he sees it lying around.
Both Zergs open pretty standard. Leenock has a slightly faster lair and goes for Spire, while Terius goes Roach-Infestor. Terius sacrifices a bunch of lings to take out Leenock's third due to Leenock's sudden supply block. Terius is well-prepared at home for the counter-attack, holding his own third with little losses. Leenock's mutalisks aren't very useful, and Terius takes an upgrade lead while Leenock double expands. When Terius moves out to take Leenock's 4th, Leenock backstabs with his Mutalisks. Terius manages to get Hydralisks out, and takes a good engagement in the middle of the map. However, he botches an attack near Leenock's 3rd. Some nice back-and-forth engagements ensue, but Leenock's superior Infestor count begins to give him an edge. This snowballs out of control, and Leenock ends up taking a very close ZvZ! Pretty good game (depite the recommendations poll lol).
TBH leenock was very ahead for quite a long time. Supply count made it look even, but leenock's supply was in infestors while terious' was in roaches and infestors are very supply efficient while roaches are very supply inefficient.
On November 09 2012 20:53 rasnj wrote: TBH leenock was very ahead for quite a long time. Supply count made it look even, but leenock's supply was in infestors while terious' was in roaches and infestors are very supply efficient while roaches are very supply inefficient.
I think it was simply Terious wasting gas on Hydra tech for no reason.
On November 09 2012 20:53 YoungTyTy wrote: Leenock and Life made this matchup seem pretty good at MLG but games like this are why ZvZ as a matchup is...just awful in long games.
Bo1 on a big map probably isn't going to be that exciting when there is a lot on the line.
On November 09 2012 20:53 YoungTyTy wrote: Leenock and Life made this matchup seem pretty good at MLG but games like this are why ZvZ as a matchup is...just awful in long games.
Leenocks lategame ZvP and ZvT often has just as many infestors, crazy. I much prefer to see leenock do early game creative play.
On November 09 2012 20:53 Laryleprakon wrote: Yay Leenock
We could see 15 games like that on Thursday ^_^ I want to see 40 infestors in one game.
Oh come now, think bigger! 40 vs 40 plz, and then infinity infested terrans
Wonder how that would play out. Like throw a million infested terrans at each other. Both burrow their infestors away and then no one of them got energy for another fight so both wait a big. Then repeat forever
On November 09 2012 20:53 Laryleprakon wrote: Yay Leenock
We could see 15 games like that on Thursday ^_^ I want to see 40 infestors in one game.
Oh come now, think bigger! 40 vs 40 plz, and then infinity infested terrans
Yeah & we should increase the cast range so infestors don't risk their life so we can have even MORE infestors!!
I think this will allow 6-7 infestors to support armies more effectively.
Why use infestors to support an army? Unless it's more infestors. There really isn't a compelling reason to have anything except for infestors, broodlords, and more infestors.
On November 09 2012 20:53 Laryleprakon wrote: Yay Leenock
We could see 15 games like that on Thursday ^_^ I want to see 40 infestors in one game.
Oh come now, think bigger! 40 vs 40 plz, and then infinity infested terrans
Yeah & we should increase the cast range so infestors don't risk their life so we can have even MORE infestors!!
I think this will allow 6-7 infestors to support armies more effectively.
Why use infestors to support an army? Unless it's more infestors. There really isn't a compelling reason to have anything except for infestors, broodlords, and more infestors.
You're forgetting making spines, either for support for the infestors or to pass the max supply cap so you can have even more infestors!
On November 09 2012 20:53 Laryleprakon wrote: Yay Leenock
We could see 15 games like that on Thursday ^_^ I want to see 40 infestors in one game.
Oh come now, think bigger! 40 vs 40 plz, and then infinity infested terrans
Yeah & we should increase the cast range so infestors don't risk their life so we can have even MORE infestors!!
I think this will allow 6-7 infestors to support armies more effectively.
Why use infestors to support an army? Unless it's more infestors. There really isn't a compelling reason to have anything except for infestors, broodlords, and more infestors.
You're forgetting making spines, either for support for the infestors or to pass the max supply cap so you can have even more infestors!
I've an idea, remove energy cap of infestors so supply cap is not a limit to the amount of infested terrans! We could have infinite infested terrans!
On November 09 2012 20:53 Laryleprakon wrote: Yay Leenock
We could see 15 games like that on Thursday ^_^ I want to see 40 infestors in one game.
Oh come now, think bigger! 40 vs 40 plz, and then infinity infested terrans
Yeah & we should increase the cast range so infestors don't risk their life so we can have even MORE infestors!!
I think this will allow 6-7 infestors to support armies more effectively.
Why use infestors to support an army? Unless it's more infestors. There really isn't a compelling reason to have anything except for infestors, broodlords, and more infestors.
You're forgetting making spines, either for support for the infestors or to pass the max supply cap so you can have even more infestors!
I've an idea, remove energy cap of infestors so supply cap is not a limit to the amount of infested terrans! We could have infinite infested terrans!
This would be the best solution to mass infestors, you would only need to have 1 infestor, it would just bank enough energy for infinite infested terrans.
On November 09 2012 20:53 Laryleprakon wrote: Yay Leenock
We could see 15 games like that on Thursday ^_^ I want to see 40 infestors in one game.
Oh come now, think bigger! 40 vs 40 plz, and then infinity infested terrans
Yeah & we should increase the cast range so infestors don't risk their life so we can have even MORE infestors!!
I think this will allow 6-7 infestors to support armies more effectively.
Why use infestors to support an army? Unless it's more infestors. There really isn't a compelling reason to have anything except for infestors, broodlords, and more infestors.
(referring to the recent interview where DK was allegedly unaware that infestors were used in large numbers, rather than 6-7 to support an army)
On November 09 2012 20:53 Laryleprakon wrote: Yay Leenock
We could see 15 games like that on Thursday ^_^ I want to see 40 infestors in one game.
Oh come now, think bigger! 40 vs 40 plz, and then infinity infested terrans
Yeah & we should increase the cast range so infestors don't risk their life so we can have even MORE infestors!!
I think this will allow 6-7 infestors to support armies more effectively.
Why use infestors to support an army? Unless it's more infestors. There really isn't a compelling reason to have anything except for infestors, broodlords, and more infestors.
You're forgetting making spines, either for support for the infestors or to pass the max supply cap so you can have even more infestors!
I've an idea, remove energy cap of infestors so supply cap is not a limit to the amount of infested terrans! We could have infinite infested terrans!
Fungal Growth on marines now turn them into infested terrans too, even moreee of them!
On November 09 2012 20:56 TheBB wrote: Leenock with 71.2% against Byun and 58.6% against MKP.
So FXO wins this with a probability of 41.7%.
While this is a good first approximation I would say that leenock has a higher probability of winning given: - Lately he has been looking much better. - The odds of winning against one is correlated with winning against the other (at least I believe so). - What maps are left compared to what maps they have played on historically? Antiga at least is not possible.
On November 09 2012 20:53 Laryleprakon wrote: Yay Leenock
We could see 15 games like that on Thursday ^_^ I want to see 40 infestors in one game.
Oh come now, think bigger! 40 vs 40 plz, and then infinity infested terrans
Yeah & we should increase the cast range so infestors don't risk their life so we can have even MORE infestors!!
I think this will allow 6-7 infestors to support armies more effectively.
Why use infestors to support an army? Unless it's more infestors. There really isn't a compelling reason to have anything except for infestors, broodlords, and more infestors.
You're forgetting making spines, either for support for the infestors or to pass the max supply cap so you can have even more infestors!
I've an idea, remove energy cap of infestors so supply cap is not a limit to the amount of infested terrans! We could have infinite infested terrans!
Once you hit about 35-40 infestors, it's almost infinite marines. I mean, I've seen some pros spend all that energy, but it's not easy.
Hmm. One full energy infestor is good for what, 8 marines? So if you've got 40 infestors, that's 320 marines. Plus whatever else you may have. Marines OP man, they need to get nerfed.
Also, I can hear CreatorPrime saying "Guys, don't blow my 3-0 lead. You just have to 2rax Leenock once."
On November 09 2012 20:38 KristofferAG wrote: As I finish pairing up my socks I realize I hate living with four dudes that hate washing their clothes and just steal my socks.
I have 11 socks with no partner.
ahahaha, gotta start buying only pink socks from now on
You think that would stop them? You underestimate my housemates. WE've lived here for 4 months now, one of them just washed clothes for the first time ever.
You got some weird housemates. I guess I'm really lucky because my housemate loves cooking and is one of the best cooks I've ever met and he also just starts washing my stuff if he sees it lying around.
He's not messy other than with washing clothes. One of them lives in the basement so I have no idea about him. The other two make the best food you've ever had, I promise ya. They're messy as fuck, though. Doesn't matter much to me, I just don't clean after them.
On November 09 2012 21:01 Fragile51 wrote: You know, Energize should be a zerg spell instead of a protoss spell, and they should be on infestors of course! Infinite fungal!
I support this. Infestors need a new spell: energize.
Noooo. Infestors need consume like the defiler. You can eat infested terrans! Infinite energy!
On November 09 2012 21:01 Fragile51 wrote: You know, Energize should be a zerg spell instead of a protoss spell, and they should be on infestors of course! Infinite fungal!
I support this. Infestors need a new spell: energize.
Noooo. Infestors need consume like the defiler. You can eat infested terrans! Infinite energy!
I think Fungals should work like Vortex actually, it's kind of weak right now
On November 09 2012 21:01 Fragile51 wrote: You know, Energize should be a zerg spell instead of a protoss spell, and they should be on infestors of course! Infinite fungal!
I support this. Infestors need a new spell: energize.
Noooo. Infestors need consume like the defiler. You can eat infested terrans! Infinite energy!
I think Fungals should work like Vortex actually, it's kind of weak right now
While I do agree fungals are too weak. Making them like another unit is quite boring. Fungal should stun targets instead of just holding them in place
I'm a total noob, but do terrans ever do medivac-ghost micro the same way protoss do prism-templar micro? Or is there too much going on in the fight to make that possible?
On November 09 2012 21:24 mikedebo wrote: I'm a total noob, but do terrans ever do medivac-ghost micro the same way protoss do prism-templar micro? Or is there too much going on in the fight to make that possible?
Keen did medivac ghost micro vs squirtle to drop ghosts behind the protoss army to emp the HTs
ByuN messes up his opening build, with a late SCV and a misplaced Command Center, while Leenock goes Hatch-first. Leenock has a great scout, noting ByuN's early double gas. ByuN continues into hellion-banshee while Leenock goes for Mutalisks. ByuN's harrass is shut down pretty well, but Byun's greed also goes relatively unpunished, and his upgrades are far ahead. Leenock's baneling mines are a bit ineffectual and ByuN takes a small supply lead. Leenock backstabs with a huge flock of mutalisks as ByuN moves out. ByuN takes a good engagement in the middle of the map, but the Mutalisks return to clean it up. ByuN trades his 3rd for Leenock's 3rd and 4th while he waits for the Brood Lords to morph. The game quietens down for a bit, but one key engagement sees Leenock's Fungals on the entire army. Pretty standard lategame TvZ, which we've seen a lot.
On November 09 2012 21:28 polishedturd wrote: i dont understand how he was expecting not to get fungaled like that while moving around on creep
You have to go on creep or stay in your base!
So you die or you die.
That's TvZ logic for you.
Well it's not like Byun made a huge strategic mistake in that game. He just got a little unlucky with his move out timings, but this is a gamble you have to take against 20+ mutalisks. You play with a clock as terran in that matchup, and you hear every beat of it in your head. Byun played well, but things just worked out for Leenock very well.
On November 09 2012 21:30 MrCon wrote: And they send a terran lol, what a joke.
the hell else are they going to send? It's Leenock bro
Any other race would be ok. Either he'll 11/11 and perhaps win, or the game will go in the late game (ie after 10 minutes) and we'll just wait for mkp to lose. I don't understand this coaching. And especially on this map.
On November 09 2012 21:31 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On November 09 2012 21:30 MrCon wrote: And they send a terran lol, what a joke.
the hell else are they going to send? It's Leenock bro
Any other race would be ok. Either he'll 11/11 and perhaps win, or the game will go in the late game (ie after 10 minutes) and we'll just wait for mkp to lose. I don't understand this coaching. And especially on this map.
Wtf that game was great! Feels like some are a bit butthurt. And im not even a zerg.
By the way, am I the only one feeling weird when they go to give the jacket away? I thought everyone would be standing, screaming and begging the players to GIVE IT TO ME PLZ, but no. Everyone just sitting quiet and not even looking that way like no one cares who gets the awesome FXO jacket. A bit different than it would be in an American or European tournament(/league). Is it the culture or has the jackets been already raffled to a certain person and they just go to hand them over?
On November 09 2012 21:34 ThePlayer33 wrote: if only this is MMA playing... would be amazing
Have you seen MMA vs zerg after patch? It isn't pretty. His multi drop style doesn't really work when you can't contain creep and zergs see your drops very early.
On November 09 2012 21:31 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On November 09 2012 21:30 MrCon wrote: And they send a terran lol, what a joke.
the hell else are they going to send? It's Leenock bro
Any other race would be ok. Either he'll 11/11 and perhaps win, or the game will go in the late game (ie after 10 minutes) and we'll just wait for mkp to lose. I don't understand this coaching. And especially on this map.
PvZ is the same way. Either he'll wonwonwon or the game will go in the late game and we'll just wait for whoever to lose.
And their only zerg option is aria, who I'd never heard of until I checked prime's roster in the OP.
On November 09 2012 21:39 Waxangel wrote: so Leenock gonna muta-ling against MKP's pure bio on WW, let's see if he can do a better than Sniper did two days ago
On November 09 2012 21:34 ThePlayer33 wrote: if only this is MMA playing... would be amazing
Have you seen MMA vs zerg after patch? It isn't pretty. His multi drop style doesn't really work when you can't contain creep and zergs see your drops very early.
I miss the old TvZ;
and I can't believe I'm saying this but the best MU to watch right now is probably TvT, oh the irony.
On November 09 2012 21:39 Waxangel wrote: so Leenock gonna muta-ling against MKP's pure bio on WW, let's see if he can do a better than Sniper did two days ago
Sniper was playing pretty well and in a good position. But decided to attack with infestor/ling instead of going for BLs. I think it was pretty even up to that point. But I guess he didn't like BLs on this map due to size.
On November 09 2012 21:43 Cokefreak wrote: Leenock showing you don't even need infestors.
against Bio, Mutas are actually better then infestors. You need to kill off the medivac and try to keep your opponent busy so that he can't apply constant pressure to you.
On November 09 2012 21:44 KristofferAG wrote: I hate this map
No QQ, MKP plays below par today.
Against a creep spreading zerg a terran has next to no chance. I guess thats why so many tries the gimmicky "do loads of dmg with hellions into mech" build on WW.
On November 09 2012 21:44 Quotidian wrote: lol, fair map...
Like antiga? Maps are always a factor in team leagues and prime can only blame themselves. If they wanted to give mkp a better shot why not send terious on this map instead.
MarineKing opens heavy bio like in his game against Sniper on Whirlwind a few days ago. The difference, though, is that Leenock managed to crush MKP's push, and the game spiralled out of control from there. Being MarineKing, it takes a while for the game to finish, so the last few minutes are painful to watch.
On November 09 2012 21:44 Quotidian wrote: lol, fair map...
Like antiga? Maps are always a factor in team leagues and prime can only blame themselves. If they wanted to give mkp a better shot why not send terious on this map instead.
Antiga is one of the most balanced ZvT maps in the mappool, why do zergs keep whining about it being imba?
On November 09 2012 21:44 Quotidian wrote: lol, fair map...
Like antiga? Maps are always a factor in team leagues and prime can only blame themselves. If they wanted to give mkp a better shot why not send terious on this map instead.
On November 09 2012 21:44 Quotidian wrote: lol, fair map...
Like antiga? Maps are always a factor in team leagues and prime can only blame themselves. If they wanted to give mkp a better shot why not send terious on this map instead.
Antiga is one of the most balanced ZvT maps in the mappool, why do zergs keep whining about it being imba?
Because every single time it is played whoever is casting it (often Tasteless) repeatedly stresses the fact that the 4th base is hard to get for zerg.
On November 09 2012 21:44 Shellshock1122 wrote: no surprise. i was pretty sure no one could take out leenock
FXO put everything into place for Leenock. The remaining maps would be Leenocks picks againt any of the players that could actually beat him. Well played by Leenock. You definately need a strong Zerg in your team these days. Terious isn't quite there.
On November 09 2012 21:44 Quotidian wrote: lol, fair map...
Like antiga? Maps are always a factor in team leagues and prime can only blame themselves. If they wanted to give mkp a better shot why not send terious on this map instead.
Antiga is one of the most balanced ZvT maps in the mappool, why do zergs keep whining about it being imba?
Because it's an uncomfortable map for Zergs, you have to switch up your playstyle on Antiga. Also Antiga was a terran-map pre-patch. So there's still some hate leftover back from the times where it had 60-70% win for terran.
On November 09 2012 21:44 Quotidian wrote: lol, fair map...
it should be possible for each race on each map to have equal winrates (without cheesing, allin-ing) Which isn't the current state of the game i guess/fear.
I can't help but wonder what actually works on Whirlwind as T versus Z...
Ryung showed an amazing game versus DRG on it, with quite literally every unit T has but that's the only thing that comes to mind, and I don't know how to describe this...
On November 09 2012 21:44 Quotidian wrote: lol, fair map...
Like antiga? Maps are always a factor in team leagues and prime can only blame themselves. If they wanted to give mkp a better shot why not send terious on this map instead.
Antiga is one of the most balanced ZvT maps in the mappool, why do zergs keep whining about it being imba?
Because it's an uncomfortable map for Zergs, you have to switch up your playstyle on Antiga. Also Antiga was a terran-map pre-patch. So there's still some hate leftover back from the times where it had 60-70% win for terran.
On November 09 2012 21:44 Quotidian wrote: lol, fair map...
Like antiga? Maps are always a factor in team leagues and prime can only blame themselves. If they wanted to give mkp a better shot why not send terious on this map instead.
Antiga is one of the most balanced ZvT maps in the mappool, why do zergs keep whining about it being imba?
Because it's an uncomfortable map for Zergs, you have to switch up your playstyle on Antiga. Also Antiga was a terran-map pre-patch. So there's still some hate leftover back from the times where it had 60-70% win for terran.
Antiga never got 60-70% for terran...
It was more like MVP shipyard more than Terran shipyard really.
On November 09 2012 21:49 Tsubbi wrote: mkp used the exact same strat in the exact same spots on whirlwind form one week ago
leenock read him like a book and that ling runby on the 3rd was so obvious, mkp didnt adapt very well
with a well positioned bunker in the 3rd i think mkp would have won
Leenock denied MKP's wallin attempt there and left MKP with the choice to take the risk and move out or throw all his pressure timings he had planned out of the window. The latter would've maybe been the better choice, but you need to apply constant pressure on Zerg with Marine/Marauder. Otherwise Zerg gets easily to a composition you can't beat.
On November 09 2012 21:44 Quotidian wrote: lol, fair map...
Like antiga? Maps are always a factor in team leagues and prime can only blame themselves. If they wanted to give mkp a better shot why not send terious on this map instead.
Antiga is one of the most balanced ZvT maps in the mappool, why do zergs keep whining about it being imba?
I guess it says something about zerg when 50/50 is a bad map for zerg.
On November 09 2012 21:44 Quotidian wrote: lol, fair map...
Like antiga? Maps are always a factor in team leagues and prime can only blame themselves. If they wanted to give mkp a better shot why not send terious on this map instead.
Antiga is one of the most balanced ZvT maps in the mappool, why do zergs keep whining about it being imba?
Because it's an uncomfortable map for Zergs, you have to switch up your playstyle on Antiga. Also Antiga was a terran-map pre-patch. So there's still some hate leftover back from the times where it had 60-70% win for terran.
Antiga never got 60-70% for terran...
I think the only maps that ever got that high for terran were jungle basin and steppes of war but those were still closer to 50/50 than metropolis lol
On November 09 2012 21:44 Quotidian wrote: lol, fair map...
Like antiga? Maps are always a factor in team leagues and prime can only blame themselves. If they wanted to give mkp a better shot why not send terious on this map instead.
Antiga is one of the most balanced ZvT maps in the mappool, why do zergs keep whining about it being imba?
Because it's an uncomfortable map for Zergs, you have to switch up your playstyle on Antiga. Also Antiga was a terran-map pre-patch. So there's still some hate leftover back from the times where it had 60-70% win for terran.
Antiga never got 60-70% for terran...
I'm pretty sure it had over 60% at one point, when it was just added to the pool. Took Zerg players some time to figure it out. Maybe I'm confusing international stats with Korean stats though.
And none of the non zergs actually picked a zerg in the Ro16 group selections until there were only zergs left. I think that shows how korean pros view the matchups right now. I am sure they are all trying to find ways to counter it but nothing seems to be working at the moment (except maybe the PartinG wonwonwon)
Oh man look at that interview guys. Rachel and Anna, meet your winner. Those eyes, that hair and clothes, so sexy. Voice like an angel singing. Now I know of what Im going to dream next night.
On November 09 2012 21:54 Noc- wrote: Oh man look at that interview guys. Rachel and Anna, meet your winner. Those eyes, that hair and clothes, so sexy. Voice like an angel singing. Now I know of what Im going to dream next night.
On November 09 2012 21:44 Quotidian wrote: lol, fair map...
Like antiga? Maps are always a factor in team leagues and prime can only blame themselves. If they wanted to give mkp a better shot why not send terious on this map instead.
Antiga is one of the most balanced ZvT maps in the mappool, why do zergs keep whining about it being imba?
Because it's an uncomfortable map for Zergs, you have to switch up your playstyle on Antiga. Also Antiga was a terran-map pre-patch. So there's still some hate leftover back from the times where it had 60-70% win for terran.
Antiga never got 60-70% for terran...
It was more like MVP shipyard more than Terran shipyard really.
On November 09 2012 21:54 vthree wrote: And none of the non zergs actually picked a zerg in the Ro16 group selections until there were only zergs left. I think that shows how korean pros view the matchups right now. I am sure they are all trying to find ways to counter it but nothing seems to be working at the moment (except maybe the PartinG wonwonwon)
We'll have to see on Monday just how strong Parting's soul and the wonwonwon is when he faces the ultimate zerg boss in his den, the Hyun club.
(No, I don't think Hyun is the BEST ZERG EVER; however he has made it clear that in his element he can even stomp Life in a best of 9.)
On November 09 2012 21:44 Quotidian wrote: lol, fair map...
Like antiga? Maps are always a factor in team leagues and prime can only blame themselves. If they wanted to give mkp a better shot why not send terious on this map instead.
Antiga is one of the most balanced ZvT maps in the mappool, why do zergs keep whining about it being imba?
Because it's an uncomfortable map for Zergs, you have to switch up your playstyle on Antiga. Also Antiga was a terran-map pre-patch. So there's still some hate leftover back from the times where it had 60-70% win for terran.
Antiga never got 60-70% for terran...
It was more like MVP shipyard more than Terran shipyard really.
On November 09 2012 21:54 vthree wrote: And none of the non zergs actually picked a zerg in the Ro16 group selections until there were only zergs left. I think that shows how korean pros view the matchups right now. I am sure they are all trying to find ways to counter it but nothing seems to be working at the moment (except maybe the PartinG wonwonwon)
We'll have to see on Monday just how strong Parting's soul and the wonwonwon is when he faces the ultimate zerg boss in his den, the Hyun club.
(No, I don't think Hyun is the BEST ZERG EVER; however he has made it clear that in his element he can even stomp Life in a best of 9.)
On November 09 2012 21:51 Waxangel wrote: Zerg 17 - 3 in last 20 GSL/GSTL games :D
Well, Leenock =/= zerg.
I thought that was Life?
Damn so many new zerg bonjwas suddenly lol
It isn't just Life and Leenock. Sniper, HyuN, Symbol and Curious were the last 4 picks in the group selections. So we have at least 6 zerg bonjwas. These players have always been good or had potential. But there is no question the current balance has push them up a notch.
On November 09 2012 21:54 Noc- wrote: Oh man look at that interview guys. Rachel and Anna, meet your winner. Those eyes, that hair and clothes, so sexy. Voice like an angel singing. Now I know of what Im going to dream next night.
On November 09 2012 21:54 vthree wrote: And none of the non zergs actually picked a zerg in the Ro16 group selections until there were only zergs left. I think that shows how korean pros view the matchups right now. I am sure they are all trying to find ways to counter it but nothing seems to be working at the moment (except maybe the PartinG wonwonwon)
We'll have to see on Monday just how strong Parting's soul and the wonwonwon is when he faces the ultimate zerg boss in his den, the Hyun club.
(No, I don't think Hyun is the BEST ZERG EVER; however he has made it clear that in his element he can even stomp Life in a best of 9.)
wasn't quite a stomp o.O
Hyperbole for the masses. He won, so he stomped. (Even if it was more like trying to stomp on a cinder block. Takes a few tries, but with good boots and a sledgehammer, it can be done.)
On November 09 2012 21:44 Quotidian wrote: lol, fair map...
Like antiga? Maps are always a factor in team leagues and prime can only blame themselves. If they wanted to give mkp a better shot why not send terious on this map instead.
Antiga is one of the most balanced ZvT maps in the mappool, why do zergs keep whining about it being imba?
Because it's an uncomfortable map for Zergs, you have to switch up your playstyle on Antiga. Also Antiga was a terran-map pre-patch. So there's still some hate leftover back from the times where it had 60-70% win for terran.
Antiga never got 60-70% for terran...
It was more like MVP shipyard more than Terran shipyard really.
Has the win rate for a matchup in Code S been this bad? I know there was the GOMTvT era but that was due to more terrans being in Code S then pure win rates I think.
On November 09 2012 21:44 Quotidian wrote: lol, fair map...
Like antiga? Maps are always a factor in team leagues and prime can only blame themselves. If they wanted to give mkp a better shot why not send terious on this map instead.
Antiga is one of the most balanced ZvT maps in the mappool, why do zergs keep whining about it being imba?
Because it's an uncomfortable map for Zergs, you have to switch up your playstyle on Antiga. Also Antiga was a terran-map pre-patch. So there's still some hate leftover back from the times where it had 60-70% win for terran.
Antiga never got 60-70% for terran...
It was more like MVP shipyard more than Terran shipyard really.
Hope PartinG and Creator rape the shit out of all of these Zerg players Can't wait to see Blizzard's answer to the current state of PvZ, there has to be done something to the immortal sentry all in, and of course, to BL Infestor.
On November 09 2012 22:25 Poopi wrote: Hahaha. As I thought FXO is nothing without the queen buff, Prime again losing because of the lack of a good ZvZer. -_- Sad.
Leenock has a legit shot against everyone he beat prepatch. The only one he had a bad record against was mkp but its not like it would be impossible for leenock to beat him in a bo1 especially considering mkp sucks when coming out last for prime
On November 09 2012 22:25 Poopi wrote: Hahaha. As I thought FXO is nothing without the queen buff, Prime again losing because of the lack of a good ZvZer. -_- Sad.
That's funny because FXO won the GSTL with an all kill by a terran.
On November 09 2012 22:25 Poopi wrote: Hahaha. As I thought FXO is nothing without the queen buff, Prime again losing because of the lack of a good ZvZer. -_- Sad.
That's funny because FXO won the GSTL with an all kill by a terran.
Against a SlayerS team who's former ace just walked out on the team and their 2 aces for the season were contemplating moving to LoL
On November 09 2012 22:25 Poopi wrote: Hahaha. As I thought FXO is nothing without the queen buff, Prime again losing because of the lack of a good ZvZer. -_- Sad.
lol weren't you the same guy that was recognizing DRG as the only good ZvT and disregarding the current generation of ZvT as inferior due to the metagame..?
Do you realize who Leenock is? Guy's been legit ever since open season 3. In fact, around this time last year I would have said he was by far the best ZvT considering he rolled MLG (along with MMA and MVP) and then proceeded to beat MVP again in a bo5 when he was at his best and where he was strongest in the gsl. Even to this day, I'd say Leenock retains the title of perhaps the best muta/ling/bling user, or at the very least the best at using burrow.
tl;dr: Leenock is boss with or without any queen buff.
On November 09 2012 22:25 Poopi wrote: Hahaha. As I thought FXO is nothing without the queen buff, Prime again losing because of the lack of a good ZvZer. -_- Sad.
That's funny because FXO won the GSTL with an all kill by a terran.
Against a SlayerS team who's former ace just walked out on the team and their 2 aces for the season were contemplating moving to LoL
While coca had one of The best win loss ratios and mms provided us with an amazing TvT? Also leenock was good before the patch, stop bitching about everything
On November 09 2012 22:25 Poopi wrote: Hahaha. As I thought FXO is nothing without the queen buff, Prime again losing because of the lack of a good ZvZer. -_- Sad.
lol weren't you the same guy that was recognizing DRG as the only good ZvT and disregarding the current generation of ZvT as inferior due to the metagame..?
Do you realize who Leenock is? Guy's been legit ever since open season 3. In fact, around this time last year I would have said he was by far the best ZvT considering he rolled MLG (along with MMA and MVP) and then proceeded to beat MVP again in a bo5 when he was at his best and where he was strongest in the gsl. Even to this day, I'd say Leenock retains the title of perhaps the best muta/ling/bling user, or at the very least the best at using burrow.
tl;dr: Leenock is boss with or without any queen buff.
the guy was permad iirc for constant balance whining, somehow he's back and still whining, just ignore him
On November 09 2012 22:15 vthree wrote: Has the win rate for a matchup in Code S been this bad? I know there was the GOMTvT era but that was due to more terrans being in Code S then pure win rates I think.
1-1-1 vs P and khay amu P vs everything come to mind as potential possibilities, but I have no idea
I'm not really a fan of Leenock but he always had his fun style of play, similar to JulyZerg. Also he used lots of bane-mines in the past, sad to see them so rarely now.
He's been legit good before the patch, if you don't know this you didn't watch SC2. Leenock has shown so many interesting plays, that infestor kill squad vs DRG was so amazing... or the games between Jjakji and Leenock.
On November 09 2012 22:25 Poopi wrote: Hahaha. As I thought FXO is nothing without the queen buff, Prime again losing because of the lack of a good ZvZer. -_- Sad.
lol weren't you the same guy that was recognizing DRG as the only good ZvT and disregarding the current generation of ZvT as inferior due to the metagame..?
Do you realize who Leenock is? Guy's been legit ever since open season 3. In fact, around this time last year I would have said he was by far the best ZvT considering he rolled MLG (along with MMA and MVP) and then proceeded to beat MVP again in a bo5 when he was at his best and where he was strongest in the gsl. Even to this day, I'd say Leenock retains the title of perhaps the best muta/ling/bling user, or at the very least the best at using burrow.
tl;dr: Leenock is boss with or without any queen buff.
with our without queen, with or without queeheheen
And he won against 2 Protoss players going for his title. And his games against GuMiho were actually really good and interesting. Completely different from 90% ZvX we have for last 3 months.
I don't really get the whine about Life. He's either clueless or just a troll.
Sad that Prime had to go, but they came down under Leenock so it's understandable. Maybe we will see another FXO.Kr finals and the first (?) back-to-back GSTL champion?
And he won against 2 Protoss players going for his title. And his games against GuMiho were actually really good and interesting. Completely different from 90% ZvX we have for last 3 months.
I don't really get the whine about Life. He's either clueless or just a troll.
what do you want from me? I just corrected some wrong statements in that thread. I'm not saying that Leenock or Life are bad players and only winning due to balance changes. But you'll have to admit that Terrans never did well against Zerg after the patch. Terran went from doing terrible to doing ok with an equalisation of winrates to do terrible again right now. In the first months after it, a couple of new builds were brought into the new situation and they brought some wins with them because zerg took some time to adjust to them. But after that adjustment phase everything is looking horrible again and we'll have to wait for the next wave of innovation I guess.
On November 09 2012 23:28 RiceAgainst wrote: Sad that Prime had to go, but they came down under Leenock so it's understandable. Maybe we will see another FXO.Kr finals and the first (?) back-to-back GSTL champion?
Slayers won back to back I believe Slayers > IM GSTL 2 Slayers > MVP GSTL 3
Well Prime went out with two 4-5 where they were up 4-3 and 4-1 and then lost to the Zerg ace of the opposing team (Symbol and Leenock). They have too few vZ players in their rooster and that's what backfiring hard atm. They try to fix it with the new players Lucy and Ter(r?)a. We'll see how they develope. Prime is in good shape overall, they just have a problem in beating very high end zergs and yeah, that's the problem kinda everyone has. The other teams go for a zvz in that scenario between the zerg aces.
On November 09 2012 21:51 Waxangel wrote: Zerg 17 - 3 in last 20 GSL/GSTL games :D
The better players just picked Zerg, you know....
Well actually i would argue, That Leenock and Life had a huge contribution to that stat, they are currently on fire. So its a bit bloated. Not saying Zerg as a race isn't doing well right now. But those two are just on another level currently.
Wooo FXO! Glad that Leenock pulled through! Went to bed last night during Leenock vs. Byun, wasn't sure if he could pull it off. FXO is so reliant on Leenock/Gumiho/Tear... haha. Always one of those 3 stepping up. Hopefully they can get more support from their other players in the future.
On November 09 2012 22:25 Poopi wrote: Hahaha. As I thought FXO is nothing without the queen buff, Prime again losing because of the lack of a good ZvZer. -_- Sad.
That's funny because FXO won the GSTL with an all kill by a terran.
Against a SlayerS team who's former ace just walked out on the team and their 2 aces for the season were contemplating moving to LoL
It's undeniable that they were having many internal problems, but in the end, the fact is that SlayerS was still a very strong team, and their very presence in the finals illustrates that. Not to mention very strong runs in other team leagues as well.
On November 09 2012 21:45 Ragnarork wrote: GG'ing so late is an incredible lack of respect to Leenock.
give me a fucking break
? its pretty bm to stay when the game is completely over. wouldnt u get mad if some guy in a ladder game waited till his last building was about to die to leave? that's about the equivalent to what mkp does
On November 09 2012 21:34 ThePlayer33 wrote: if only this is MMA playing... would be amazing
Have you seen MMA vs zerg after patch? It isn't pretty. His multi drop style doesn't really work when you can't contain creep and zergs see your drops very early.
On November 09 2012 21:34 ThePlayer33 wrote: if only this is MMA playing... would be amazing
MMA would get run over even worse than MKP, he's got <30% winrate TvZ postpatch lol
hahaha i lvoe this guy
love you too masterkang
cant argue his winrate tvz has been declining a lot but his clutchness as team ace is also indisputable
when was the last time he played as team ace?
when was the last time mkp won as team ace? cause im pretty sure it would be generous to call his winrate as closer <30%. and btw when he did win as team ace he was beating the unanimously established best players in the world (MVP, MC, DRG, sc) so patch or not, he was performing with the best of the best as opposition
On November 09 2012 21:34 ThePlayer33 wrote: if only this is MMA playing... would be amazing
MMA would get run over even worse than MKP, he's got <30% winrate TvZ postpatch lol
hahaha i lvoe this guy
love you too masterkang
cant argue his winrate tvz has been declining a lot but his clutchness as team ace is also indisputable
when was the last time he played as team ace?
when was the last time mkp won as team ace? cause im pretty sure it would be generous to call his winrate as closer <30%. and btw when he did win as team ace he was beating the unanimously established best players in the world (MVP, MC, DRG, sc) so patch or not, he was performing with the best of the best as opposition
we're not talking about MKP's performance here, we're discussing MMA's. He hasn't won a game in GSTL for almost ten months.
Would you still call InCa's performance in PvP indisputable? Or NesTea the best Zerg? That's the timescale we're looking at.
Creator is more clutch than MMA as ace, btw, he's 14-3 as last Prime standing, so if you want to compare MMA to a Prime player, Creator's your man.
On November 09 2012 21:34 ThePlayer33 wrote: if only this is MMA playing... would be amazing
MMA would get run over even worse than MKP, he's got <30% winrate TvZ postpatch lol
hahaha i lvoe this guy
love you too masterkang
cant argue his winrate tvz has been declining a lot but his clutchness as team ace is also indisputable
when was the last time he played as team ace?
when was the last time mkp won as team ace? cause im pretty sure it would be generous to call his winrate as closer <30%. and btw when he did win as team ace he was beating the unanimously established best players in the world (MVP, MC, DRG, sc) so patch or not, he was performing with the best of the best as opposition
Calm down, just because your favourite player has fallen off incredibly badly you don't have to insult others.
Take a look at MarineKing's TLPD.. then look at MMA's. Then look over both again. Past results matter.. but do they matter when you've not even been close to the top in the past 9+ months.. ehm.
The rage and trolling is pretty delicious in this thread. Leenock was better tonight. Regardless of the state of the game Leenock has always been good and people have/will continue to hate on his skills.
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