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On November 04 2012 14:16 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 14:11 JJH777 wrote:
Who cares how they win? If they win 50% of their games with a lineup that's about equal it is balanced. It might be balanced in a dumb way (which I agree that the way it's balanced right now is very screwed up) but it is balanced. And when Zerg figure out timings to stop Protoss' go-to 2 base timing where will the matchup be?
I don't think it will be figured out. If there was actually a hard counter build to it it would be figured out by now. It just always comes down to the Protoss execution mainly. Protoss also still win a decent amount of games with different 2 base timings and various pre-broodlord attacks. The matchup will also change a lot in HotS. I doubt blizzard is going to patch WoL anymore.
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On November 04 2012 14:18 Havik_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 14:16 Wombat_NI wrote:On November 04 2012 14:11 JJH777 wrote:
Who cares how they win? If they win 50% of their games with a lineup that's about equal it is balanced. It might be balanced in a dumb way (which I agree that the way it's balanced right now is very screwed up) but it is balanced. And when Zerg figure out timings to stop Protoss' go-to 2 base timing where will the matchup be? New 2 base timings! Maybe some more 1 base stuff even. I'd love to see 1 basing come back into PvZ some how.
I'd agree if it wasn't for Overlords being able to chill over cliffs and spot expand/gas timings. With the size of the maps it's super difficult to manage to hide such a player, and make it across the map without dying.
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On November 04 2012 14:18 Iodem wrote:Show nested quote +
So game 3 on Tal`Darim. Hero is ahead basically the entire game. Ahead in supply, ahead in bases. Hero gets his army with mothership, scarlet gets blord infestor. Scarlet is basically mined out and hero is on 2 mining bases.
Scarlet decides to engage on hero's side and manages to neural the mothership which had just barely skirted ahead of where it should have been (it was trying to vortex the army).
She instantly vortexes his army, kills most of it and then kills his two mining bases. Hero is left with a rag tag army with a mothership and scarlet has a bunch of broolord infestor. They base race and eliminate all of the buildings....except for 3 spine crawlers which scarlet sticks in the middle of her army and then marches around the map with (very slowly).
Hero realizes he his only chance to win is to land a vortex on the blord infestor and then blink in with his 6-8 stalkers and try to pick off the spines. He tries this a few times but a) fucks it up b) lol too much blordinfestor.
He spends the next 15-20 minutes walking around the map doing nothing hiding pylons and at one point types "good balance" (grack was watching and started to giggle).
Not my account, but that of someone who was watching it live.
Oh man. How the fuck was this not casted? That's too epic.
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On November 04 2012 14:20 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 14:16 Wombat_NI wrote:On November 04 2012 14:11 JJH777 wrote:
Who cares how they win? If they win 50% of their games with a lineup that's about equal it is balanced. It might be balanced in a dumb way (which I agree that the way it's balanced right now is very screwed up) but it is balanced. And when Zerg figure out timings to stop Protoss' go-to 2 base timing where will the matchup be? I don't think it will be figured out. If there was actually a hard counter build to it it would be figured out by now. It just always comes down to the Protoss execution mainly. Protoss also still win a decent amount of games with different 2 base timings and various pre-broodlord attacks. The matchup will also change a lot in HotS. I doubt blizzard is going to patch WoL anymore.
The 1/1/1 was figured out primarily with counter-intuitive logic, i.e expanding earlier to give a big enough economy to beat down the Terran push. The immortal range buff helped a lot in terms of executing this gameplan, but in my view it was a shift in trends to safe 1-gate expands that really helped to beat that build.
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meanwhile no polt on mainstream, instead we saw huk vs moonglade. shame !
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On November 04 2012 14:21 Havik_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 14:18 Iodem wrote:
So game 3 on Tal`Darim. Hero is ahead basically the entire game. Ahead in supply, ahead in bases. Hero gets his army with mothership, scarlet gets blord infestor. Scarlet is basically mined out and hero is on 2 mining bases.
Scarlet decides to engage on hero's side and manages to neural the mothership which had just barely skirted ahead of where it should have been (it was trying to vortex the army).
She instantly vortexes his army, kills most of it and then kills his two mining bases. Hero is left with a rag tag army with a mothership and scarlet has a bunch of broolord infestor. They base race and eliminate all of the buildings....except for 3 spine crawlers which scarlet sticks in the middle of her army and then marches around the map with (very slowly).
Hero realizes he his only chance to win is to land a vortex on the blord infestor and then blink in with his 6-8 stalkers and try to pick off the spines. He tries this a few times but a) fucks it up b) lol too much blordinfestor.
He spends the next 15-20 minutes walking around the map doing nothing hiding pylons and at one point types "good balance" (grack was watching and started to giggle).
Not my account, but that of someone who was watching it live. Oh man. How the fuck was this not casted? That's too epic.
sort of glad it wasn't, imagine the LR ... haha
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Northern Ireland27480 Posts
On November 04 2012 14:21 Havik_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 14:18 Iodem wrote:
So game 3 on Tal`Darim. Hero is ahead basically the entire game. Ahead in supply, ahead in bases. Hero gets his army with mothership, scarlet gets blord infestor. Scarlet is basically mined out and hero is on 2 mining bases.
Scarlet decides to engage on hero's side and manages to neural the mothership which had just barely skirted ahead of where it should have been (it was trying to vortex the army).
She instantly vortexes his army, kills most of it and then kills his two mining bases. Hero is left with a rag tag army with a mothership and scarlet has a bunch of broolord infestor. They base race and eliminate all of the buildings....except for 3 spine crawlers which scarlet sticks in the middle of her army and then marches around the map with (very slowly).
Hero realizes he his only chance to win is to land a vortex on the blord infestor and then blink in with his 6-8 stalkers and try to pick off the spines. He tries this a few times but a) fucks it up b) lol too much blordinfestor.
He spends the next 15-20 minutes walking around the map doing nothing hiding pylons and at one point types "good balance" (grack was watching and started to giggle).
Not my account, but that of someone who was watching it live. Oh man. How the fuck was this not casted? That's too epic.
LR thread would have been ruined by us Protoss, probably wise not to cast it 
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On November 04 2012 14:23 Memph wrote:
meanwhile no polt on mainstream
shame
Polt/Violet better be on stage.
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Honestly, if Life wins, it's really insane, GSL, then wins his first foreign tournament at so young.
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O ouch.. life vs flash. I guess this is where flash stops.. on this side of the bracket
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On November 04 2012 14:18 Iodem wrote:Show nested quote +
So game 3 on Tal`Darim. Hero is ahead basically the entire game. Ahead in supply, ahead in bases. Hero gets his army with mothership, scarlet gets blord infestor. Scarlet is basically mined out and hero is on 2 mining bases.
Scarlet decides to engage on hero's side and manages to neural the mothership which had just barely skirted ahead of where it should have been (it was trying to vortex the army).
She instantly vortexes his army, kills most of it and then kills his two mining bases. Hero is left with a rag tag army with a mothership and scarlet has a bunch of broolord infestor. They base race and eliminate all of the buildings....except for 3 spine crawlers which scarlet sticks in the middle of her army and then marches around the map with (very slowly).
Hero realizes he his only chance to win is to land a vortex on the blord infestor and then blink in with his 6-8 stalkers and try to pick off the spines. He tries this a few times but a) fucks it up b) lol too much blordinfestor.
He spends the next 15-20 minutes walking around the map doing nothing hiding pylons and at one point types "good balance" (grack was watching and started to giggle).
Not my account, but that of someone who was watching it live.
Isn't this REALLY similar to what happened to Hero against Soulkey in code S?
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On November 04 2012 14:23 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 14:21 Havik_ wrote:On November 04 2012 14:18 Iodem wrote:
So game 3 on Tal`Darim. Hero is ahead basically the entire game. Ahead in supply, ahead in bases. Hero gets his army with mothership, scarlet gets blord infestor. Scarlet is basically mined out and hero is on 2 mining bases.
Scarlet decides to engage on hero's side and manages to neural the mothership which had just barely skirted ahead of where it should have been (it was trying to vortex the army).
She instantly vortexes his army, kills most of it and then kills his two mining bases. Hero is left with a rag tag army with a mothership and scarlet has a bunch of broolord infestor. They base race and eliminate all of the buildings....except for 3 spine crawlers which scarlet sticks in the middle of her army and then marches around the map with (very slowly).
Hero realizes he his only chance to win is to land a vortex on the blord infestor and then blink in with his 6-8 stalkers and try to pick off the spines. He tries this a few times but a) fucks it up b) lol too much blordinfestor.
He spends the next 15-20 minutes walking around the map doing nothing hiding pylons and at one point types "good balance" (grack was watching and started to giggle).
Not my account, but that of someone who was watching it live. Oh man. How the fuck was this not casted? That's too epic. LR thread would have been ruined by us Protoss, probably wise not to cast it
Good point. Between that and Flash cheesing Naniwa, I probably would have got banned. :p
This is in part a Hero thing though, remember that game vs Leenock on Antiga in GSL last season where Hero did everything perfectly and still lost?
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On November 04 2012 14:25 red4ce wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 14:18 Iodem wrote:
So game 3 on Tal`Darim. Hero is ahead basically the entire game. Ahead in supply, ahead in bases. Hero gets his army with mothership, scarlet gets blord infestor. Scarlet is basically mined out and hero is on 2 mining bases.
Scarlet decides to engage on hero's side and manages to neural the mothership which had just barely skirted ahead of where it should have been (it was trying to vortex the army).
She instantly vortexes his army, kills most of it and then kills his two mining bases. Hero is left with a rag tag army with a mothership and scarlet has a bunch of broolord infestor. They base race and eliminate all of the buildings....except for 3 spine crawlers which scarlet sticks in the middle of her army and then marches around the map with (very slowly).
Hero realizes he his only chance to win is to land a vortex on the blord infestor and then blink in with his 6-8 stalkers and try to pick off the spines. He tries this a few times but a) fucks it up b) lol too much blordinfestor.
He spends the next 15-20 minutes walking around the map doing nothing hiding pylons and at one point types "good balance" (grack was watching and started to giggle).
Not my account, but that of someone who was watching it live. Isn't this REALLY similar to what happened to Hero against Soulkey in code S?
vs Leenock in groups last season, vs Symbol in groups this season. I'm sensing a pattern here!
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On November 04 2012 14:16 NightOfTheDead wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 14:14 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:
Looks like Life will win this tournament. Flash won't be able to pose any threat. Maybe Soulkey's brilliant ZvZ can do something, but it's hard for him to go through the bracket to grand Finals. Life's ZvZ is pretty damn good too.
At least it is a balanced matchup.
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damn, just looked at results...
MLG is still using this extended series bullshit? god damn
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Northern Ireland27480 Posts
On November 04 2012 14:26 Havik_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 14:23 Wombat_NI wrote:On November 04 2012 14:21 Havik_ wrote:On November 04 2012 14:18 Iodem wrote:
So game 3 on Tal`Darim. Hero is ahead basically the entire game. Ahead in supply, ahead in bases. Hero gets his army with mothership, scarlet gets blord infestor. Scarlet is basically mined out and hero is on 2 mining bases.
Scarlet decides to engage on hero's side and manages to neural the mothership which had just barely skirted ahead of where it should have been (it was trying to vortex the army).
She instantly vortexes his army, kills most of it and then kills his two mining bases. Hero is left with a rag tag army with a mothership and scarlet has a bunch of broolord infestor. They base race and eliminate all of the buildings....except for 3 spine crawlers which scarlet sticks in the middle of her army and then marches around the map with (very slowly).
Hero realizes he his only chance to win is to land a vortex on the blord infestor and then blink in with his 6-8 stalkers and try to pick off the spines. He tries this a few times but a) fucks it up b) lol too much blordinfestor.
He spends the next 15-20 minutes walking around the map doing nothing hiding pylons and at one point types "good balance" (grack was watching and started to giggle).
Not my account, but that of someone who was watching it live. Oh man. How the fuck was this not casted? That's too epic. LR thread would have been ruined by us Protoss, probably wise not to cast it Good point. Between that and Flash cheesing Naniwa, I probably would have got banned. :p This is in part a Hero thing though, remember that game vs Leenock on Antiga in GSL last season where Hero did everything perfectly and still lost?
I am loathe to say he played perfectly, but he was, in my view playing better than his opponent up to that point. Anyway, I'll stop my lategame PvZ whines for now, hoping for some good games tomorrow!
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glad i play the awesome race
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On November 04 2012 14:23 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 14:21 Havik_ wrote:On November 04 2012 14:18 Iodem wrote:
So game 3 on Tal`Darim. Hero is ahead basically the entire game. Ahead in supply, ahead in bases. Hero gets his army with mothership, scarlet gets blord infestor. Scarlet is basically mined out and hero is on 2 mining bases.
Scarlet decides to engage on hero's side and manages to neural the mothership which had just barely skirted ahead of where it should have been (it was trying to vortex the army).
She instantly vortexes his army, kills most of it and then kills his two mining bases. Hero is left with a rag tag army with a mothership and scarlet has a bunch of broolord infestor. They base race and eliminate all of the buildings....except for 3 spine crawlers which scarlet sticks in the middle of her army and then marches around the map with (very slowly).
Hero realizes he his only chance to win is to land a vortex on the blord infestor and then blink in with his 6-8 stalkers and try to pick off the spines. He tries this a few times but a) fucks it up b) lol too much blordinfestor.
He spends the next 15-20 minutes walking around the map doing nothing hiding pylons and at one point types "good balance" (grack was watching and started to giggle).
Not my account, but that of someone who was watching it live. Oh man. How the fuck was this not casted? That's too epic. LR thread would have been ruined by us Protoss, probably wise not to cast it
Poor HerO, why does this ALWAYS happen to him? vs Leenock last GSL, vs Curious and vs SoulKey this GSL... i feel for the guy.
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What time will Life vs Flash happen?
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Don't count Flash out vs Life. He might actually go mech.
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