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Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
August 27 2012 02:55 GMT
#5661
On August 27 2012 11:49 ref4 wrote:
so.....why r we talking bout LoL in this thread?

We missed drama.
Mvp | BoxeR | MarineKing | MC | viOlet | Scarlett | Flash | Bisu | XellOs | Sea | Fantasy | By.Sun
ParkwayDrive
Profile Joined July 2011
United States328 Posts
August 27 2012 02:56 GMT
#5662
can someone please explain to me the mlg rule that occurred during the leenock vs stc semi?

the way i was reading the brackets, leenock had not dropped a series and the stc came from the losers bracket. the stc won the first bo3, putting each player with 1 set dropped. how come then did leenock have the start a bo7 DOWN 2-1? if a third best of 3 shoudlve been started from 0-0 or leenock has to get dropped to play taeja in the next step of the "losers bracket" and go on from there.

it just seemed like leenock had to play from a disadvantage even though he came out of his group...once the stc was up 2-1 they both had dropped sets and shoudlve been on even terms
s0ma
Profile Joined July 2011
6 Posts
August 27 2012 02:59 GMT
#5663
Caruso on the finals:
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Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
August 27 2012 03:01 GMT
#5664
On August 27 2012 11:56 ParkwayDrive wrote:
can someone please explain to me the mlg rule that occurred during the leenock vs stc semi?

the way i was reading the brackets, leenock had not dropped a series and the stc came from the losers bracket. the stc won the first bo3, putting each player with 1 set dropped. how come then did leenock have the start a bo7 DOWN 2-1? if a third best of 3 shoudlve been started from 0-0 or leenock has to get dropped to play taeja in the next step of the "losers bracket" and go on from there.

it just seemed like leenock had to play from a disadvantage even though he came out of his group...once the stc was up 2-1 they both had dropped sets and shoudlve been on even terms

Leenock hadn't dropped a set, then he did. The only place he can drop to is back into that match, where extended series happen if it's in the same phase of the tournament.

If it was 2-1 then a new Bo3 and Leenock wins then it's suddenly 1-1. Leenock didn't beat theSTC fully then, leaving us with a terrible decision for him to go forward.

Then if we have 3 Bo3's to determine who goes to the finals and it's 9 games, what happens if Leenock loses due to exhaustion of 9 games straight?

Extended Series is the right decision in this.
Mvp | BoxeR | MarineKing | MC | viOlet | Scarlett | Flash | Bisu | XellOs | Sea | Fantasy | By.Sun
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 03:09:11
August 27 2012 03:08 GMT
#5665
On August 27 2012 11:49 ref4 wrote:
so.....why r we talking bout LoL in this thread?



Good question.

I can think of several reasons why these guys cannot get enough of it.

1. The drama.

2. Putting down another game to make them feel better about themselves. They simply don't like it. Even though its the wrong forum. Mob mentality.

3. Pissed off about teams doing it and saying it deters the competitive nature of video games and history repeats itself.

4. People are immature and they don't know how to drop it.

I'm sure I could think of a lot more, but I'll stop right there.
ParkwayDrive
Profile Joined July 2011
United States328 Posts
August 27 2012 03:18 GMT
#5666
On August 27 2012 12:01 Femari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 11:56 ParkwayDrive wrote:
can someone please explain to me the mlg rule that occurred during the leenock vs stc semi?

the way i was reading the brackets, leenock had not dropped a series and the stc came from the losers bracket. the stc won the first bo3, putting each player with 1 set dropped. how come then did leenock have the start a bo7 DOWN 2-1? if a third best of 3 shoudlve been started from 0-0 or leenock has to get dropped to play taeja in the next step of the "losers bracket" and go on from there.

it just seemed like leenock had to play from a disadvantage even though he came out of his group...once the stc was up 2-1 they both had dropped sets and shoudlve been on even terms

Leenock hadn't dropped a set, then he did. The only place he can drop to is back into that match, where extended series happen if it's in the same phase of the tournament.

If it was 2-1 then a new Bo3 and Leenock wins then it's suddenly 1-1. Leenock didn't beat theSTC fully then, leaving us with a terrible decision for him to go forward.

Then if we have 3 Bo3's to determine who goes to the finals and it's 9 games, what happens if Leenock loses due to exhaustion of 9 games straight?

Extended Series is the right decision in this.


i guess. mlg man. they make so much progress but i cant see them outdoing ipl with the epic mistakes they make on a regular basis and of course the weird format rules. i mean just look at the full liquipedia bracket. it takes 15 mins just to get over the headache b4 u begin to process it
Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
August 27 2012 03:38 GMT
#5667
On August 27 2012 12:18 ParkwayDrive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 12:01 Femari wrote:
On August 27 2012 11:56 ParkwayDrive wrote:
can someone please explain to me the mlg rule that occurred during the leenock vs stc semi?

the way i was reading the brackets, leenock had not dropped a series and the stc came from the losers bracket. the stc won the first bo3, putting each player with 1 set dropped. how come then did leenock have the start a bo7 DOWN 2-1? if a third best of 3 shoudlve been started from 0-0 or leenock has to get dropped to play taeja in the next step of the "losers bracket" and go on from there.

it just seemed like leenock had to play from a disadvantage even though he came out of his group...once the stc was up 2-1 they both had dropped sets and shoudlve been on even terms

Leenock hadn't dropped a set, then he did. The only place he can drop to is back into that match, where extended series happen if it's in the same phase of the tournament.

If it was 2-1 then a new Bo3 and Leenock wins then it's suddenly 1-1. Leenock didn't beat theSTC fully then, leaving us with a terrible decision for him to go forward.

Then if we have 3 Bo3's to determine who goes to the finals and it's 9 games, what happens if Leenock loses due to exhaustion of 9 games straight?

Extended Series is the right decision in this.


i guess. mlg man. they make so much progress but i cant see them outdoing ipl with the epic mistakes they make on a regular basis and of course the weird format rules. i mean just look at the full liquipedia bracket. it takes 15 mins just to get over the headache b4 u begin to process it


I don't think it's that hard to follow, you just have to read the titles over the bracket.
Mvp | BoxeR | MarineKing | MC | viOlet | Scarlett | Flash | Bisu | XellOs | Sea | Fantasy | By.Sun
Archerofaiur
Profile Joined August 2008
United States4101 Posts
August 27 2012 03:40 GMT
#5668
Saw on the top 10 MLG plays tonight some Carrier games. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
http://sclegacy.com/news/28-scl/250-starcraftlegacy-macro-theorycrafting-contest-winners
SmokeMonster
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada72 Posts
August 27 2012 03:43 GMT
#5669
where was zenio? is he still on liquid
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
August 27 2012 04:34 GMT
#5670
On August 27 2012 10:15 Cubu wrote:
holy crap, the top 3 are all koreans. And there are only 2 foreigners in the top 16. I guess those guys who said the gap between the koreans and foreigners were right.

Top 16:

14 Koreans
1 French
1 American

Being someone who comes from BW, that's still a huge improvement from those days. If MLG had had BW tournaments with the korean players participating that would've been 16-0 instead.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
foxmulder_ms
Profile Joined February 2011
United States140 Posts
August 27 2012 05:00 GMT
#5671
Leenock is great when it comes to weekend-long tournaments. He is good, deserved win.
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
August 27 2012 05:02 GMT
#5672
Sasquatch being top 16 isn't too impressive either. He got seeded into groups when he wasn't meant to be there, then beat 2 foreigners (Goody (lol) and Idra). Even Idra and Sheth had a better run than that.
Refer to my post.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
August 27 2012 05:02 GMT
#5673
On August 27 2012 12:40 Archerofaiur wrote:
Saw on the top 10 MLG plays tonight some Carrier games. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

Oz vs Stephano from Summer arena was where the carriers were. also Alicia vs Hero for PvP carriers
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TheSwedishFan
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden608 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 05:18:48
August 27 2012 05:16 GMT
#5674
I dont know what it is about MLG. But every time a watch it it feels messy and boring. They are on the same level all the time and no dipping or real highpoints in their production. Wich is really nice in a way but i dont get the feeling that something big is cumming, like the grand final. Even the grand finals are the same and i could not tell that it was the finals until after when they were giving out the checks and then it was all over. Dreamhack is a few steps ahead when it comes to the production and building up hype during the event. I think that last NASL was a lot more fun to watch then this MLG.
"Suck it" - Kennigit 2012
stipe145
Profile Joined December 2010
764 Posts
August 27 2012 05:23 GMT
#5675
Congratulations to Leenock for the win! Did not expect it at all!
TheSir
Profile Joined February 2012
1830 Posts
August 27 2012 10:54 GMT
#5676
On August 27 2012 11:55 Femari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 11:49 ref4 wrote:
so.....why r we talking bout LoL in this thread?

We missed drama.


only in esports thats drama, in any other sport no one gives a fuck cause thats how its done.

other then that, congrats to Leenock
Archerofaiur
Profile Joined August 2008
United States4101 Posts
August 27 2012 12:22 GMT
#5677
On August 27 2012 14:02 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 12:40 Archerofaiur wrote:
Saw on the top 10 MLG plays tonight some Carrier games. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

Oz vs Stephano from Summer arena was where the carriers were. also Alicia vs Hero for PvP carriers


Thanks man.

Found Alicia vs Hero. Great game!
http://sclegacy.com/news/28-scl/250-starcraftlegacy-macro-theorycrafting-contest-winners
jobber123rd
Profile Joined December 2011
United States501 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 13:53:07
August 27 2012 13:51 GMT
#5678
On August 27 2012 12:01 Femari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 11:56 ParkwayDrive wrote:
can someone please explain to me the mlg rule that occurred during the leenock vs stc semi?

the way i was reading the brackets, leenock had not dropped a series and the stc came from the losers bracket. the stc won the first bo3, putting each player with 1 set dropped. how come then did leenock have the start a bo7 DOWN 2-1? if a third best of 3 shoudlve been started from 0-0 or leenock has to get dropped to play taeja in the next step of the "losers bracket" and go on from there.

it just seemed like leenock had to play from a disadvantage even though he came out of his group...once the stc was up 2-1 they both had dropped sets and shoudlve been on even terms

Leenock hadn't dropped a set, then he did. The only place he can drop to is back into that match, where extended series happen if it's in the same phase of the tournament.

If it was 2-1 then a new Bo3 and Leenock wins then it's suddenly 1-1. Leenock didn't beat theSTC fully then, leaving us with a terrible decision for him to go forward.

Then if we have 3 Bo3's to determine who goes to the finals and it's 9 games, what happens if Leenock loses due to exhaustion of 9 games straight?

Extended Series is the right decision in this.


That wouldn't exactly be terrible, as that's just the advantage the Winners Bracket player would have in a true Double Elimination Bo3 finals. From what I read on TL, most people are okay with the WB player being allowed to win with a 2-2 or 2-3 total record there, as the series are two distinct events in that format.

As I stated earlier, a true DE bo3 final gives 75% equity to the WB player assuming 50/50 games, which is kind of high IMO. MLG's bo3->extended Bo7 (if necessary) format gives the WB player 62.5% equity.

The amusing thing is that there have been comments in this thread stating MLG's format is imba for each side, so perhaps they're doing something right.

"I'm always going to survive. Only reason I can't survive is if I'm dead or something." --Mike Tyson
CAPSLOCKLOL
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States135 Posts
August 27 2012 17:12 GMT
#5679
Any word on who's being considered for breakout player of this MLG? I hope Massan wins it he had a pretty crazy run. No one seems to know about it though.
Kieofire
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1809 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 17:32:59
August 27 2012 17:14 GMT
#5680
On August 28 2012 02:12 CAPSLOCKLOL wrote:
Any word on who's being considered for breakout player of this MLG? I hope Massan wins it he had a pretty crazy run. No one seems to know about it though.


It was Crank, he posted a picture of the award on his twitter and said thanks for everything.

Edit: Here is the picture: https://twitter.com/CranK829/status/239864024169340928/photo/1/large
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