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haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2744 Posts
August 21 2012 07:57 GMT
#181
I miss MSL so bad in that moments
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
August 21 2012 07:58 GMT
#182
On August 21 2012 16:32 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2012 16:30 OnFiRe888 wrote:
On August 21 2012 16:26 Dodgin wrote:
The worst thing is that you didn't even watch IEM and you're trying to comment on Mvp's skill level or recent games, It's so ignorant.

That feeling when you realize you just wasted a lot of time arguing with someone with no purpose since they refuse to even look at the evidence you're talking about


If arguing with me is so frustrating, than don't do it. You have no obligation, the only person that is affected is me and you, and in the end, you are the one that ends pissed off. Learn to let things go, people can be wrong. If people in LR threads want to say JD is the best player in the world, let them, it's their problem and belief. And in the end, you don't actually think you will sway his opinion do you? There's no such thing as winning and losing on an internet forum, so there's no need to get so worked up about something that does not portray a winner or loser.


I'm not worked up at all It's just insulting to a player to comment so ignorantly on them without watching their games to be able to make a proper judgement. Everyone who watched IEM knows Mvp is back in shape and able to play long macro games and win again.

But you are commenting in OSL thread, i for example dont expect any of his opponent in current OSL to roll over and die like EU zergs who tried to improvise vs him (because they can only train vs Kas, which is ok vs Forgg/supernova but not vs MMA, MVP, Taeja).

I would say MVP looks great vs weak opposition, but that does not mean anything yet about his OSL capabilities. Thats pure speculation.
Stork[gm]
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
August 21 2012 07:58 GMT
#183
On August 21 2012 16:32 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2012 16:30 OnFiRe888 wrote:
On August 21 2012 16:26 Dodgin wrote:
The worst thing is that you didn't even watch IEM and you're trying to comment on Mvp's skill level or recent games, It's so ignorant.

That feeling when you realize you just wasted a lot of time arguing with someone with no purpose since they refuse to even look at the evidence you're talking about


If arguing with me is so frustrating, than don't do it. You have no obligation, the only person that is affected is me and you, and in the end, you are the one that ends pissed off. Learn to let things go, people can be wrong. If people in LR threads want to say JD is the best player in the world, let them, it's their problem and belief. And in the end, you don't actually think you will sway his opinion do you? There's no such thing as winning and losing on an internet forum, so there's no need to get so worked up about something that does not portray a winner or loser.


I'm not worked up at all It's just insulting to a player to comment so ignorantly on them without watching their games to be able to make a proper judgement. Everyone who watched IEM knows Mvp is back in shape and able to play long macro games and win again.

He was playing macro games for most of that season, MVP vs ryung featured him making a come back with late game BCs, MVP vs July had July doing all the agression and MVP vs leenock was mind blowingly awesome (Oh there was also puzzle, MVP kind of played a cute very agressive style which puzzle didn't really try to shut down and kind of lost). Okay so he was cheesy against naniwa but against parting and squirtle he cheesed no more than any other player would (Besides it's parting do you really think there's any terran who wouldn't try to cheese/ all in him anyway).
Glorious SEA doto
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-21 08:02:16
August 21 2012 08:01 GMT
#184
On August 21 2012 16:58 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2012 16:32 Dodgin wrote:
On August 21 2012 16:30 OnFiRe888 wrote:
On August 21 2012 16:26 Dodgin wrote:
The worst thing is that you didn't even watch IEM and you're trying to comment on Mvp's skill level or recent games, It's so ignorant.

That feeling when you realize you just wasted a lot of time arguing with someone with no purpose since they refuse to even look at the evidence you're talking about


If arguing with me is so frustrating, than don't do it. You have no obligation, the only person that is affected is me and you, and in the end, you are the one that ends pissed off. Learn to let things go, people can be wrong. If people in LR threads want to say JD is the best player in the world, let them, it's their problem and belief. And in the end, you don't actually think you will sway his opinion do you? There's no such thing as winning and losing on an internet forum, so there's no need to get so worked up about something that does not portray a winner or loser.


I'm not worked up at all It's just insulting to a player to comment so ignorantly on them without watching their games to be able to make a proper judgement. Everyone who watched IEM knows Mvp is back in shape and able to play long macro games and win again.

But you are commenting in OSL thread, i for example dont expect any of his opponent in current OSL to roll over and die like EU zergs who tried to improvise vs him (because they can only train vs Kas, which is ok vs Forgg/supernova but not vs MMA, MVP, Taeja).

I would say MVP looks great vs weak opposition, but that does not mean anything yet about his OSL capabilities. Thats pure speculation.


Oh I know, I'm not saying he's favored to win OSL or anything like that. I actually think Parting is going to win OSL.

There's only two Zergs and one is Nestea who doesn't look strong against good competition lately and DRG is in a mini-slump.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-21 08:06:33
August 21 2012 08:05 GMT
#185
Going back to main theme, i think the talking part can be really boring.

First because GOM players and Kespa players besides very few small exceptions didn't have much competetive rivalry. Im actually expecting for example JangBi to taunt Flash/Fantasy more rather than saying anything about gom players.

There is possibility of Kespa players wanting to challange all of GOM players first, which would be fun. But I wouldnt be suprised if Jangbi snatches Flash first, cause he wanted to play vs him in OSL finals :p And Flash is easier route than GOM players still so killing 2 birds with one stone.
Stork[gm]
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
August 21 2012 08:06 GMT
#186
So MVP's best match up is still his TvZ...there is one Zerg to pick and that is his team mate so surely he wont pick NesTea. That leaves a bunch of Protos's and Terrans, and his TvT as of late has not been his best match up, so i wonder if he will prefer to pick a protoss....Interesting.

And as many of you highlighted DRG has been pretty poor lately from losing GSL to other competitions, but he has been off the radar for about 2 weeks, so maybe he might of refound himself. Be interesting to see which match he picks.
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FidoDido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1292 Posts
August 21 2012 08:06 GMT
#187
Wouldn't be that surprised to see Mvp win the whole thing. as long as he rests enough and stays in Korea.
LGIMSeed FantasyToss~~ Hipster Seed fan before he made Code A
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
August 21 2012 08:07 GMT
#188
On August 21 2012 17:05 bgx wrote:
Going back to main theme, i think the talking part can be really boring.

First because GOM players and Kespa players besides very few small exceptions didn't have much competetive rivalry. Im actually expecting for example JangBi to taunt Flash/Fantasy more rather than saying anything about gom players.

There is possibility of Kespa players wanting to challange all of GOM players first, which would be fun. But I wouldnt be suprised if Jangbi would snatch Flash first, cause he wanted to play him in OSL finals :p And Flash is easier route than GOM players still so killing 2 birds with one stone.

I think that parting will provoke a kespa player into picking him and another kespa player would probably try to challenge MVP into picking him.
Glorious SEA doto
vanhio
Profile Joined November 2010
Niue1017 Posts
August 21 2012 08:07 GMT
#189
On August 21 2012 17:05 bgx wrote:
Going back to main theme, i think the talking part can be really boring.

First because GOM players and Kespa players besides very few small exceptions didn't have much competetive rivalry. Im actually expecting for example JangBi to taunt Flash/Fantasy more rather than saying anything about gom players.

There is possibility of Kespa players wanting to challange all of GOM players first, which would be fun. But I wouldnt be suprised if Jangbi snatches Flash first, cause he wanted to play vs him in OSL finals :p And Flash is easier route than GOM players still so killing 2 birds with one stone.


I want some TRASH TALK GOGOGO
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-21 08:18:14
August 21 2012 08:16 GMT
#190
On August 21 2012 17:07 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2012 17:05 bgx wrote:
Going back to main theme, i think the talking part can be really boring.

First because GOM players and Kespa players besides very few small exceptions didn't have much competetive rivalry. Im actually expecting for example JangBi to taunt Flash/Fantasy more rather than saying anything about gom players.

There is possibility of Kespa players wanting to challange all of GOM players first, which would be fun. But I wouldnt be suprised if Jangbi would snatch Flash first, cause he wanted to play him in OSL finals :p And Flash is easier route than GOM players still so killing 2 birds with one stone.

I think that parting will provoke a kespa player into picking him and another kespa player would probably try to challenge MVP into picking him.

Well i hope, this will be as trashy as possible, that was always the biggest highlight of group selections and what made MSL great, now with MSL out OGN has to kinda step up this part :p

In MSL 2009 Magma (zerg player) fluked his way into MSL group selections and simply started to trash talk everyone there, definitely one of the funniest things.

I think thats the part (cant check, at work :/) for anyone interested.
Stork[gm]
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 21 2012 08:17 GMT
#191
An interesting thread on Reddit popped up that is pretty relevant to the group selections tonight, it talks about what the Korean netizens are thinking about sc2 and the gom players vs kespa players.

http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/yki23/a_general_response_from_bw_fans_in_korea_about_sc2/
KiNGxXx
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
7928 Posts
August 21 2012 08:23 GMT
#192
On August 21 2012 17:17 Dodgin wrote:
An interesting thread on Reddit popped up that is pretty relevant to the group selections tonight, it talks about what the Korean netizens are thinking about sc2 and the gom players vs kespa players.

http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/yki23/a_general_response_from_bw_fans_in_korea_about_sc2/

Why do you think it's interesting? It's the same thing all BW fans said. Nothing special imo.

I think there will be no translation for today, right?
MKP|Maru|TaeJa|Mvp|Polt|INnoVation|GuMiho|Bomber|GoOdy|TeamTerran
Corrosive
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3741 Posts
August 21 2012 08:24 GMT
#193
On August 21 2012 17:17 Dodgin wrote:
An interesting thread on Reddit popped up that is pretty relevant to the group selections tonight, it talks about what the Korean netizens are thinking about sc2 and the gom players vs kespa players.

http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/yki23/a_general_response_from_bw_fans_in_korea_about_sc2/

fomos is anti sc2 and pro bw though afaik. it just seems like the same kind of comments i see from foreign bw hardcore fans.
Maruprime.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-21 08:28:46
August 21 2012 08:27 GMT
#194
On August 21 2012 17:23 KiNGxXx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2012 17:17 Dodgin wrote:
An interesting thread on Reddit popped up that is pretty relevant to the group selections tonight, it talks about what the Korean netizens are thinking about sc2 and the gom players vs kespa players.

http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/yki23/a_general_response_from_bw_fans_in_korea_about_sc2/

Why do you think it's interesting? It's the same thing all BW fans said. Nothing special imo.

I think there will be no translation for today, right?


I think It's interesting because we don't usually get fomos comments translated for people to see what they think about things.

On August 21 2012 17:24 Corrosive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2012 17:17 Dodgin wrote:
An interesting thread on Reddit popped up that is pretty relevant to the group selections tonight, it talks about what the Korean netizens are thinking about sc2 and the gom players vs kespa players.

http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/yki23/a_general_response_from_bw_fans_in_korea_about_sc2/

fomos is anti sc2 and pro bw though afaik. it just seems like the same kind of comments i see from foreign bw hardcore fans.


I think the most important part of it is that they have accepted sc2 and are not ditching RTS entirely.

The bigger the sc2 scene in Korea gets the better for everyone.
KiNGxXx
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
7928 Posts
August 21 2012 08:31 GMT
#195
On August 21 2012 17:27 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2012 17:23 KiNGxXx wrote:
On August 21 2012 17:17 Dodgin wrote:
An interesting thread on Reddit popped up that is pretty relevant to the group selections tonight, it talks about what the Korean netizens are thinking about sc2 and the gom players vs kespa players.

http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/yki23/a_general_response_from_bw_fans_in_korea_about_sc2/

Why do you think it's interesting? It's the same thing all BW fans said. Nothing special imo.

I think there will be no translation for today, right?


I think It's interesting because we don't usually get fomos comments translated for people to see what they think about things.

Ok, that's true.
But what they say is boring, old and just bw elitism.
MKP|Maru|TaeJa|Mvp|Polt|INnoVation|GuMiho|Bomber|GoOdy|TeamTerran
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2744 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-21 08:36:44
August 21 2012 08:36 GMT
#196
On August 21 2012 17:31 KiNGxXx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2012 17:27 Dodgin wrote:
On August 21 2012 17:23 KiNGxXx wrote:
On August 21 2012 17:17 Dodgin wrote:
An interesting thread on Reddit popped up that is pretty relevant to the group selections tonight, it talks about what the Korean netizens are thinking about sc2 and the gom players vs kespa players.

http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/yki23/a_general_response_from_bw_fans_in_korea_about_sc2/

Why do you think it's interesting? It's the same thing all BW fans said. Nothing special imo.

I think there will be no translation for today, right?


I think It's interesting because we don't usually get fomos comments translated for people to see what they think about things.

Ok, that's true.
But what they say is boring, old and just bw elitism.


Almost all the Koreans netizien are bw elitists, they have been following bw 12 years in television. BW elitist is the general korean opinion, they are not the the small bw section in TL.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
August 21 2012 08:55 GMT
#197
Poor bw fans have been introduced to sc2 at the worst possible moment. I'd argue that even the steppes of war era was more exciting than the current sc2 state, because it was new.
6 months ago sc2 was still exciting, with good matchups (especially TvZ). Nowadays every game and every matchup is the same. When the bw->sc2 transition started I was still encouraging bw fans to try and watch it and I was confident they'd at least like TvZ, nowadays I could not do that without feeling dishonest TT.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
August 21 2012 09:02 GMT
#198
On August 21 2012 17:55 MrCon wrote:
Poor bw fans have been introduced to sc2 at the worst possible moment. I'd argue that even the steppes of war era was more exciting than the current sc2 state, because it was new.
6 months ago sc2 was still exciting, with good matchups (especially TvZ). Nowadays every game and every matchup is the same. When the bw->sc2 transition started I was still encouraging bw fans to try and watch it and I was confident they'd at least like TvZ, nowadays I could not do that without feeling dishonest TT.

The biggest cake was already blowed away because blizzard did not recognize the only opportunity they had to make SC2 popular in Korea, was to make a deal with Kespa/OGN right away at switch. If Flash/Jaedong etc played SC2 since 2010, the current landscape would be dramatically different. Even if many people pulled away because of game diference there would still be a large number of people in Korea that would keep following SC2 because of naturality of transition, instead we had 2 polar entities happen at the same time (BW Proleague/OSL, GSL/Foreign tournaments), which gave the main reason to bring Elephant into this.
Stork[gm]
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 21 2012 09:07 GMT
#199
On August 21 2012 16:31 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2012 16:29 opterown wrote:
On August 21 2012 16:22 snafoo wrote:
People always say this, remember when Mvp went to MLG Anaheim last year? Everyone said he was slumping hard(because his last tournament placing 1 month prior was ro32) and was barely even a favorite to take his group and we all know how that went - he destroyed it.

People judge so much based on so few games, Mvp could be doing significantly better than Taeja in practice for all we know, the only reason more people think of Taeja lately is because he's competing in more tournaments.

GSL is a _HARD_ tournament, not just because of the skill level, but also because you have one chance, if you have an off day noone sees you play for another month or two unless you compete in other events.

I mean, hell, Taeja lost to some guy called Balloon in OSL qualifiers - if he hadn't of competed in any events since then would people be raving so much?

Taeja's really really good obviously, but this flavour of the month "best player" thing is so frustrating to watch/read.

balloon walkover taeja


Are you sure? It says 2-0 on liquipedia. Why did taeja miss it? Leveltory shows WW as well and they usually go with BYE if it is a walkover.

it's wrong, i should edit it haha. taeja missed his train or something
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Meiffeltower
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden674 Posts
August 21 2012 09:07 GMT
#200
According to OP this starts in 23 minutes.. but at the TL calendar its 1h23min..

anyone know which one is correct?
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