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On July 10 2012 12:20 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 12:10 Apollo_Shards wrote:On July 10 2012 11:48 Hall0wed wrote:On July 10 2012 11:45 Bagration wrote:On July 10 2012 11:40 Hall0wed wrote:On July 10 2012 11:15 00Visor wrote:On July 10 2012 10:36 Hall0wed wrote:On July 10 2012 10:26 indxrje wrote:
bring EmpireKas or EmpireHappy next ! As nice as donating money to Squirtle is I would rather it be a bit more of a challenge... The Gumiho suggestion is great I think, both players have some fun builds and stuff. Kas did actually win vs Squirtle in the IPL Tournament of Champions. He also beat Creator lately in the Ritmix RSL. (with the server advantage there, yes) Show some respect. Haha you are a funny man. Squirtle would wreck them both in a BO9, games against Gumiho would be much more interesting. IPL Tournament of Champions wasn't that long ago. Kas is somewhat inconsistent admittedly, sometimes showing great results against even top Koreans, and making all other foreigners look like a league below him, and other times looking like just a normal foreigner. But Kas already has been invited to the Fight Club, and he lost to Ganzi (though I remember it was a pretty close series), so it would not be fair to invite him back so soon. Yeah I know how Kas plays and that sometimes he can be good, but comparing him to Squirtle or Gumiho is just laughable. Why? Kas beat him remember? Because it is about the body of work? Should we compare Goody to MMA? Sage to DRG? roof to Stephano?
Exactly. It's about body of work. Should we compare Haypro to Nestea? Should we compare Ret to MVP? Nerchio to MC?The list goes on and on. It's absolutely ridiculous to think two players are overall comparable just because one beat the other in a series.
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Gratz Squirtle! Hope he can win several weeks consecutively so as to become the first play to actually hold on to the title for more than 3 weeks. Seems very unlikely though.
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On July 10 2012 12:39 Ritchie wrote:
Gratz Squirtle! Hope he can win several weeks consecutively so as to become the first play to actually hold on to the title for more than 3 weeks. Seems very unlikely though.
If anyone can do it, it's Squirtle. He doesn't really have a weak matchup.
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On July 10 2012 12:34 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 12:20 vthree wrote:On July 10 2012 12:10 Apollo_Shards wrote:On July 10 2012 11:48 Hall0wed wrote:On July 10 2012 11:45 Bagration wrote:On July 10 2012 11:40 Hall0wed wrote:On July 10 2012 11:15 00Visor wrote:On July 10 2012 10:36 Hall0wed wrote:On July 10 2012 10:26 indxrje wrote:
bring EmpireKas or EmpireHappy next ! As nice as donating money to Squirtle is I would rather it be a bit more of a challenge... The Gumiho suggestion is great I think, both players have some fun builds and stuff. Kas did actually win vs Squirtle in the IPL Tournament of Champions. He also beat Creator lately in the Ritmix RSL. (with the server advantage there, yes) Show some respect. Haha you are a funny man. Squirtle would wreck them both in a BO9, games against Gumiho would be much more interesting. IPL Tournament of Champions wasn't that long ago. Kas is somewhat inconsistent admittedly, sometimes showing great results against even top Koreans, and making all other foreigners look like a league below him, and other times looking like just a normal foreigner. But Kas already has been invited to the Fight Club, and he lost to Ganzi (though I remember it was a pretty close series), so it would not be fair to invite him back so soon. Yeah I know how Kas plays and that sometimes he can be good, but comparing him to Squirtle or Gumiho is just laughable. Why? Kas beat him remember? Because it is about the body of work? Should we compare Goody to MMA? Sage to DRG? roof to Stephano? Exactly. It's about body of work. Should we compare Haypro to Nestea? Should we compare Ret to MVP? Nerchio to MC?The list goes on and on. It's absolutely ridiculous to think two players are overall comparable just because one beat the other in a series.
And the crazy thing is Ret has actually beaten MVP twice now in BO3s and you would have to literally be insane to say that that means Ret is better than or as good as MVP.
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ooh actually byun vs squirtle?
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On July 10 2012 12:47 Hall0wed wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 12:34 HolyArrow wrote:On July 10 2012 12:20 vthree wrote:On July 10 2012 12:10 Apollo_Shards wrote:On July 10 2012 11:48 Hall0wed wrote:On July 10 2012 11:45 Bagration wrote:On July 10 2012 11:40 Hall0wed wrote:On July 10 2012 11:15 00Visor wrote:On July 10 2012 10:36 Hall0wed wrote:On July 10 2012 10:26 indxrje wrote:
bring EmpireKas or EmpireHappy next ! As nice as donating money to Squirtle is I would rather it be a bit more of a challenge... The Gumiho suggestion is great I think, both players have some fun builds and stuff. Kas did actually win vs Squirtle in the IPL Tournament of Champions. He also beat Creator lately in the Ritmix RSL. (with the server advantage there, yes) Show some respect. Haha you are a funny man. Squirtle would wreck them both in a BO9, games against Gumiho would be much more interesting. IPL Tournament of Champions wasn't that long ago. Kas is somewhat inconsistent admittedly, sometimes showing great results against even top Koreans, and making all other foreigners look like a league below him, and other times looking like just a normal foreigner. But Kas already has been invited to the Fight Club, and he lost to Ganzi (though I remember it was a pretty close series), so it would not be fair to invite him back so soon. Yeah I know how Kas plays and that sometimes he can be good, but comparing him to Squirtle or Gumiho is just laughable. Why? Kas beat him remember? Because it is about the body of work? Should we compare Goody to MMA? Sage to DRG? roof to Stephano? Exactly. It's about body of work. Should we compare Haypro to Nestea? Should we compare Ret to MVP? Nerchio to MC?The list goes on and on. It's absolutely ridiculous to think two players are overall comparable just because one beat the other in a series. And the crazy thing is Ret has actually beaten MVP twice now in BO3s and you would have to literally be insane to say that that means Ret is better than or as good as MVP.
You said inviting Kas would be donating money to Squirtle. Thats what I denied.
Kas is clearly not better than Squirtle. And Ret isnt better than MVP. But they both showed they can compete.
And I think we need another foreigner in the Fight Club. It has been 7 weeks without one. And they are not many who a better shot than Kas who has already played in this. Out of the top foreigners Naniwa, Sase and Huk didnt play. Time for the first PvP on Fight Club? Though Squirtle is a PvP beast.
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Its the same in every sport.. styles make fights.. Anderson Silva is lightyears ahead of chael sonnen when it comes to being the p4p best fighter in the world.. yet when they fight Chael gives Silva a run for his money.. yet Chael will never accomplish anything close to what Silva has.. just Chaels style is Silvas weakness
Ret's style poses a threat to MVP yet Ret will never accomplish what MVP has
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On July 10 2012 10:41 TheDougler wrote:I say HuK next would be exciting. I know a lot of people don't like PvP series but it's starting to become a great matchup and one which the top foriegn protoss (Naniwa, HuK, Mana) can win. Edit: Wait no. This is better: Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 10:41 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I would love it if IGN could bring DRG or Symbol next. DRG would be FANTASTIC.
That's just stupid. No foreigner protoss has a PvP on par with Squirtle's. They would get slaughtered.
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On July 10 2012 13:55 polyphonyEX wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 10:41 TheDougler wrote:I say HuK next would be exciting. I know a lot of people don't like PvP series but it's starting to become a great matchup and one which the top foriegn protoss (Naniwa, HuK, Mana) can win. Edit: Wait no. This is better: On July 10 2012 10:41 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I would love it if IGN could bring DRG or Symbol next. DRG would be FANTASTIC. That's just stupid. No foreigner protoss has a PvP on par with Squirtle's. They would get slaughtered.
naniwa maybe?
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On July 10 2012 14:05 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 13:55 polyphonyEX wrote:On July 10 2012 10:41 TheDougler wrote:I say HuK next would be exciting. I know a lot of people don't like PvP series but it's starting to become a great matchup and one which the top foriegn protoss (Naniwa, HuK, Mana) can win. Edit: Wait no. This is better: On July 10 2012 10:41 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I would love it if IGN could bring DRG or Symbol next. DRG would be FANTASTIC. That's just stupid. No foreigner protoss has a PvP on par with Squirtle's. They would get slaughtered. naniwa maybe?
Yea only SaSiWa at this point would stand a chance. Maybe HuK on a good day.
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On July 10 2012 12:58 opterown wrote:
ooh actually byun vs squirtle?
That'd be pretty good!
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I feel like DoA has really fallen behind in the sc2 scene since he left Korea. Today he was really shocked about the Carriers and saying Squirtle is the only player that can make them work when in fact they have become a part of the PvZ metagame and are great in the late game. Also I learned that he is a zerg which helps me figure out the reasoning behind some of his biases, such as saying that Symbol is a superstar while Squirtle is not despite him saying in the same cast that he doesn't consider someone a superstar until 6 months of very high performance. I don't like to knock (ha, kevin knocke, punny) on casters but at one point I felt like DoA and Wolf were a great combo, but now I can't help but find myself disappointed in Doa's casts. His overall level of SC2 knowledge just isn't there right now. Thoughts?
Also whatever happened to Painuser and HD?
On July 10 2012 14:05 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 13:55 polyphonyEX wrote:On July 10 2012 10:41 TheDougler wrote:I say HuK next would be exciting. I know a lot of people don't like PvP series but it's starting to become a great matchup and one which the top foriegn protoss (Naniwa, HuK, Mana) can win. Edit: Wait no. This is better: On July 10 2012 10:41 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I would love it if IGN could bring DRG or Symbol next. DRG would be FANTASTIC. That's just stupid. No foreigner protoss has a PvP on par with Squirtle's. They would get slaughtered. naniwa maybe?
Would be like 5-1 or 5-2 Squirtle with a few games being stomps for Squirtle.
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On July 10 2012 17:20 Hall0wed wrote:Also whatever happened to Painuser and HD? Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 14:05 opterown wrote:On July 10 2012 13:55 polyphonyEX wrote:On July 10 2012 10:41 TheDougler wrote:I say HuK next would be exciting. I know a lot of people don't like PvP series but it's starting to become a great matchup and one which the top foriegn protoss (Naniwa, HuK, Mana) can win. Edit: Wait no. This is better: On July 10 2012 10:41 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I would love it if IGN could bring DRG or Symbol next. DRG would be FANTASTIC. That's just stupid. No foreigner protoss has a PvP on par with Squirtle's. They would get slaughtered. naniwa maybe? Would be like 5-1 or 5-2 Squirtle with a few games being stomps for Squirtle.
painuser/hd left in feb
i think nani-squirtle would be a bit closer than that =]
fwiw i like doa and kevin, they're pretty entertaining
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On July 10 2012 17:20 Hall0wed wrote:I feel like DoA has really fallen behind in the sc2 scene since he left Korea. Today he was really shocked about the Carriers and saying Squirtle is the only player that can make them work when in fact they have become a part of the PvZ metagame and are great in the late game. Also I learned that he is a zerg which helps me figure out the reasoning behind some of his biases, such as saying that Symbol is a superstar while Squirtle is not despite him saying in the same cast that he doesn't consider someone a superstar until 6 months of very high performance. I don't like to knock (ha, kevin knocke, punny) on casters but at one point I felt like DoA and Wolf were a great combo, but now I can't help but find myself disappointed in Doa's casts. His overall level of SC2 knowledge just isn't there right now. Thoughts? Also whatever happened to Painuser and HD? Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 14:05 opterown wrote:On July 10 2012 13:55 polyphonyEX wrote:On July 10 2012 10:41 TheDougler wrote:I say HuK next would be exciting. I know a lot of people don't like PvP series but it's starting to become a great matchup and one which the top foriegn protoss (Naniwa, HuK, Mana) can win. Edit: Wait no. This is better: On July 10 2012 10:41 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I would love it if IGN could bring DRG or Symbol next. DRG would be FANTASTIC. That's just stupid. No foreigner protoss has a PvP on par with Squirtle's. They would get slaughtered. naniwa maybe? Would be like 5-1 or 5-2 Squirtle with a few games being stomps for Squirtle.
I don't think his knowledge was ever that good to be honest, I think his real bias is towards SlayerS players, did he switch to zerg? Always thought he was terran, yet played a bit of the other races to help his casting. I only really thought he worked well with Wolf tbh.
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One thing I learned this weekend is never doubt these top foriegners. MC totally wrecked Nerchio like masters to silver. last time they met and look what happend now. Look at Naniwa. Kas has a shot.
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On July 10 2012 17:22 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 17:20 Hall0wed wrote:Also whatever happened to Painuser and HD? On July 10 2012 14:05 opterown wrote:On July 10 2012 13:55 polyphonyEX wrote:On July 10 2012 10:41 TheDougler wrote:I say HuK next would be exciting. I know a lot of people don't like PvP series but it's starting to become a great matchup and one which the top foriegn protoss (Naniwa, HuK, Mana) can win. Edit: Wait no. This is better: On July 10 2012 10:41 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I would love it if IGN could bring DRG or Symbol next. DRG would be FANTASTIC. That's just stupid. No foreigner protoss has a PvP on par with Squirtle's. They would get slaughtered. naniwa maybe? Would be like 5-1 or 5-2 Squirtle with a few games being stomps for Squirtle. painuser/hd left in feb i think nani-squirtle would be a bit closer than that =] fwiw i like doa and kevin, they're pretty entertaining
I have never been impressed by Naniwa's PvP. Maybe I'll look into some replays of his sometime, but I don't think he would stand much of a chance against Squirtle. Squirtle would probably mind game Naniwa pretty hard too since they live together.
On July 10 2012 17:25 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 17:20 Hall0wed wrote:I feel like DoA has really fallen behind in the sc2 scene since he left Korea. Today he was really shocked about the Carriers and saying Squirtle is the only player that can make them work when in fact they have become a part of the PvZ metagame and are great in the late game. Also I learned that he is a zerg which helps me figure out the reasoning behind some of his biases, such as saying that Symbol is a superstar while Squirtle is not despite him saying in the same cast that he doesn't consider someone a superstar until 6 months of very high performance. I don't like to knock (ha, kevin knocke, punny) on casters but at one point I felt like DoA and Wolf were a great combo, but now I can't help but find myself disappointed in Doa's casts. His overall level of SC2 knowledge just isn't there right now. Thoughts? Also whatever happened to Painuser and HD? On July 10 2012 14:05 opterown wrote:On July 10 2012 13:55 polyphonyEX wrote:On July 10 2012 10:41 TheDougler wrote:I say HuK next would be exciting. I know a lot of people don't like PvP series but it's starting to become a great matchup and one which the top foriegn protoss (Naniwa, HuK, Mana) can win. Edit: Wait no. This is better: On July 10 2012 10:41 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I would love it if IGN could bring DRG or Symbol next. DRG would be FANTASTIC. That's just stupid. No foreigner protoss has a PvP on par with Squirtle's. They would get slaughtered. naniwa maybe? Would be like 5-1 or 5-2 Squirtle with a few games being stomps for Squirtle. I don't think his knowledge was ever that good to be honest, I think his real bias is towards SlayerS players, did he switch to zerg? Always thought he was terran, yet played a bit of the other races to help his casting. I only really thought he worked well with Wolf tbh.
He mentioned in this cast that he plays zerg I believe. And yeah his knowledge never stood out, but atleast before I don't remember him just saying a lot of flat out wrong things and contradicting himself mid-cast. Ah well.
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On July 10 2012 18:21 Hall0wed wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 17:22 opterown wrote:On July 10 2012 17:20 Hall0wed wrote:Also whatever happened to Painuser and HD? On July 10 2012 14:05 opterown wrote:On July 10 2012 13:55 polyphonyEX wrote:On July 10 2012 10:41 TheDougler wrote:I say HuK next would be exciting. I know a lot of people don't like PvP series but it's starting to become a great matchup and one which the top foriegn protoss (Naniwa, HuK, Mana) can win. Edit: Wait no. This is better: On July 10 2012 10:41 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I would love it if IGN could bring DRG or Symbol next. DRG would be FANTASTIC. That's just stupid. No foreigner protoss has a PvP on par with Squirtle's. They would get slaughtered. naniwa maybe? Would be like 5-1 or 5-2 Squirtle with a few games being stomps for Squirtle. painuser/hd left in feb i think nani-squirtle would be a bit closer than that =] fwiw i like doa and kevin, they're pretty entertaining I have never been impressed by Naniwa's PvP. Maybe I'll look into some replays of his sometime, but I don't think he would stand much of a chance against Squirtle. Squirtle would probably mind game Naniwa pretty hard too since they live together. Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 17:25 AxionSteel wrote:On July 10 2012 17:20 Hall0wed wrote:I feel like DoA has really fallen behind in the sc2 scene since he left Korea. Today he was really shocked about the Carriers and saying Squirtle is the only player that can make them work when in fact they have become a part of the PvZ metagame and are great in the late game. Also I learned that he is a zerg which helps me figure out the reasoning behind some of his biases, such as saying that Symbol is a superstar while Squirtle is not despite him saying in the same cast that he doesn't consider someone a superstar until 6 months of very high performance. I don't like to knock (ha, kevin knocke, punny) on casters but at one point I felt like DoA and Wolf were a great combo, but now I can't help but find myself disappointed in Doa's casts. His overall level of SC2 knowledge just isn't there right now. Thoughts? Also whatever happened to Painuser and HD? On July 10 2012 14:05 opterown wrote:On July 10 2012 13:55 polyphonyEX wrote:On July 10 2012 10:41 TheDougler wrote:I say HuK next would be exciting. I know a lot of people don't like PvP series but it's starting to become a great matchup and one which the top foriegn protoss (Naniwa, HuK, Mana) can win. Edit: Wait no. This is better: On July 10 2012 10:41 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I would love it if IGN could bring DRG or Symbol next. DRG would be FANTASTIC. That's just stupid. No foreigner protoss has a PvP on par with Squirtle's. They would get slaughtered. naniwa maybe? Would be like 5-1 or 5-2 Squirtle with a few games being stomps for Squirtle. I don't think his knowledge was ever that good to be honest, I think his real bias is towards SlayerS players, did he switch to zerg? Always thought he was terran, yet played a bit of the other races to help his casting. I only really thought he worked well with Wolf tbh. He mentioned in this cast that he plays zerg I believe. And yeah his knowledge never stood out, but atleast before I don't remember him just saying a lot of flat out wrong things and contradicting himself mid-cast. Ah well.
I can never get over the fact that Doa described a protoss doing a 4 gate against terran as a defensive 4 gate. My opinions of his game knowledge has been greatly influenced by my memory of this.
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On July 10 2012 16:56 FataLe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 14:05 opterown wrote:On July 10 2012 13:55 polyphonyEX wrote:On July 10 2012 10:41 TheDougler wrote:I say HuK next would be exciting. I know a lot of people don't like PvP series but it's starting to become a great matchup and one which the top foriegn protoss (Naniwa, HuK, Mana) can win. Edit: Wait no. This is better: On July 10 2012 10:41 PhoenixVoid wrote:
I would love it if IGN could bring DRG or Symbol next. DRG would be FANTASTIC. That's just stupid. No foreigner protoss has a PvP on par with Squirtle's. They would get slaughtered. naniwa maybe? Yea only SaSiWa at this point would stand a chance. Maybe HuK on a good day.
.. huks pvp is better then naniwas or sase's lol. by a fair margin too imo. huk vs squirtle bo9 would be an extremely close series
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Naiwa's great PvP is one his saving graces in Code S
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On July 10 2012 12:34 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 12:20 vthree wrote:On July 10 2012 12:10 Apollo_Shards wrote:On July 10 2012 11:48 Hall0wed wrote:On July 10 2012 11:45 Bagration wrote:On July 10 2012 11:40 Hall0wed wrote:On July 10 2012 11:15 00Visor wrote:On July 10 2012 10:36 Hall0wed wrote:On July 10 2012 10:26 indxrje wrote:
bring EmpireKas or EmpireHappy next ! As nice as donating money to Squirtle is I would rather it be a bit more of a challenge... The Gumiho suggestion is great I think, both players have some fun builds and stuff. Kas did actually win vs Squirtle in the IPL Tournament of Champions. He also beat Creator lately in the Ritmix RSL. (with the server advantage there, yes) Show some respect. Haha you are a funny man. Squirtle would wreck them both in a BO9, games against Gumiho would be much more interesting. IPL Tournament of Champions wasn't that long ago. Kas is somewhat inconsistent admittedly, sometimes showing great results against even top Koreans, and making all other foreigners look like a league below him, and other times looking like just a normal foreigner. But Kas already has been invited to the Fight Club, and he lost to Ganzi (though I remember it was a pretty close series), so it would not be fair to invite him back so soon. Yeah I know how Kas plays and that sometimes he can be good, but comparing him to Squirtle or Gumiho is just laughable. Why? Kas beat him remember? Because it is about the body of work? Should we compare Goody to MMA? Sage to DRG? roof to Stephano? Exactly. It's about body of work. Should we compare Haypro to Nestea? Should we compare Ret to MVP? Nerchio to MC?The list goes on and on. It's absolutely ridiculous to think two players are overall comparable just because one beat the other in a series.
I think Kas is better than Gumiho. Gumiho lost to a tired Thorzain.
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